that document is explosive. >> malcolm nance, intelligence community veteran, author of "the plot to alcolm, thank you. appreciate you being here, my friend. >> my pleasure. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. lilly. she pretty much lives in her favorite princess dress. but once a week i let her play sheriff so i can wash it. i use tide to get out those week old stains and downy to get it fresh and soft. you are free to go. tide and downy together. >>> i want to tell you once again about the breaking news we got in a few minutes ago, that the white house is following up now on the president's surprise twitter declaration from the last month of a ban on transgender people serving in the military. "wall street journal" has just reported that the white house is about to send new guidance to the pentagon on implementing that ban, that openly transgender people will not be able to join the military anymore and spells out the discretion that defense secretary james mattis will have to throw out currently serving transgender troops one by one. there are thousands serving in every conceivab

malcolm nance, 35-year veteran of counterterrorism and intelligence and all things u.s.itary and also an analyst for msnbc. so forgive this quick tour of the world. i have to start overseas with north korea. they not only issued a photo through state media of their leader, kim jong-un, looking at a map, which when we looked at it in high-definition does show loosely, a missile flight path from north korea down to the southern pacific which could conceivably be guam. u.s. intelligence is watching very closely a mobile launcher they have, they could be preparing a test shot. they're certainly making those same noises how do you view this crisis compared to last thursday, friday night? >> american political considerations have stepped in to make this crisis appear as if it is lessened but it hasn't. these are two leaders who are master trolls here. north korea has been playing this game for 63 years and been preparing for war for 63 years. they know no one is really going to resort to nuclear weapons. however if they feel the united states is going to carry out a convention

army general, barry mccaffrey, and our military general, malcolm nance. a 35 year intelligence veteran including with special operations and homeland security, also happens to be an msnbc analyst. andrea, you have covered this on and off for some time. what about the president's words, if anything, struck you as coordinated, vetted, planned and then the second part of the question is, how do you de-escalate from where he put this thing this afternoon? >> that is the harder question, isn't it? he seemed to be reading from notes. that was the only indication that this was planned. but planned by whom? not by general mattis. i'm -- i'm just confident of that. i know he has said publicly that any kind of military option would be catastrophic. i know how he has briefed people on capitol hill in classified briefings. i've gotten some readouts from that. and i don't believe this came from h.r. mcmaster or john kelley. i don't know who other than steve bannon might have given the president those words. how do you pull back from that kind of red line? it's really

i want to bring in civil rights attorney, benjamin crump, and malcolm nance. and benjamin, i want to pick up on what pete was saying. there is a lot of talk already, could this be classified as a hate crime. certainly it doesn't fit what mostly we think about, as pete said, because you have a perpetrator, a suspect, who is white. you have the woman who was killed who is also white. but do you see this as a hate crime? >> not only a hate crime, but also as an act of domestic terrorism. i think department of justice can have any choice of charges to charge this sick individual with. it is clear that he went there to demonstrate, and in a violent way. and he acted on his violent thoughts. and i think it's a prima facie case that can be made to give justice to this young lady's family. >> there was a statement already made, as you know, benjamin, by the attorney general. he said this was an act of domestic terrorism. but the "new york times" explains that this way. they say the domestic terrorism language is largely symbolic. because many of the stiffest penalties

malcolm nance is msnbc's terrorist -- terrorism analyst.following the story for us and we'll stay on it at msnbc. >> thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. i'm stephanie ruhle. >> i'm ali velshi. our breaking news coverage continues with "andrea mitchell reports." >> we're following breaking news from barcelona, spain. here's what we know now. a van, a white van driving into a crowd of pedestrians in a city square in a popular tourist district. police are calling it a massive crash. emergency crews are on the scene. spanish media reporting that as many as 20 people may have been injured. as for the driver, he reportedly ran away, that is not confirmed. and nbc's keir simmons is following this from new york. let's talk about what we know, we do not yet know this is a terror incident, it may be a terrible accident, we want to make very cautious about that. that said, this follows what we have seen in nice, in years past, what we have seen almost recently, of course, right here in the united states in charlott

and malcolm nance, that's what we have been suspecting looking at the pictures we have seen, the pictures that keir has seen that we're not putting on the air, where there has been an announcement there are multiple fatalities. and a number of injured. and, keir was describing people immobil immobile, on the street, on the square. >> he's absolutely right. this is starting to unfold as an act of terrorism. catalunya, the emergency sources are calling it a terrorist attack. though we haven't confirmed that independently. i mentioned before, it took place at an iconic place. and right next to that is up with of the largest markets in europe. la bocaria. whoever said this, we have a saying, the target is the tactic. wherever you are going to go and you're going to carry out an act of terrorism, you focus it on the geolocation of the target that you're going to hit. by taking this small van, he went to a very, very crowded place. and specifically attacked an iconic location. and that in itself lends to the way that we determine whether it is an act of terrorism. but, again, he went right down

we will also hear from former counterterrorism analyst malcolm nance. >> hello everybody. i am in los angeles. checking my microphone, thank you. can you hear me now? this is a debate we do every year. are on the portions middle east. tonight how weat got here and what we have seen as a problem that cannot be .ontained from spreading spreading through europe to our own shores from the middle east. i will start with david horwitz. david, you have some strong ideas have thought we got here. i am hoping you will also have some ideas on how to get out. david: first, let's look at what we are talking about. since the obama administration, 500,000 people have been slaughtered by isis in the middle east in the name of islam's god. and yemen have become terrorist states. begin with a dominantit has be, which -- regime. it has been replaced by russia, with syria and korea. the reason for this is obama's strategic patience. red line to stop him from using chemical weapons. calling the secretary of state aid democratic reformer. obama drew the red line. to stop them from using chemic

joining me now is va neat that who headed the civil rights division, malcolm nance and ben howe. m, i'll start with you. we know they did a report and found that white supremacists were responsible for 26 homicide, and more than any other domestic extremist group. why do we put so much infamous on people who claim to be islamic and not on white nationalists. >> law enforcement in the united states has their head in the sand. i train hundreds of homeland security agents every year. and i tell them every time, anyone that you're going to go to guns with is not going to be a member of isis oar al qaeda. those will be extremely limited incidents. if you're going to have a shootout on the streets, it's going tore the sovereign citizens movement or someone in the neo-nazi movement. they have guns and an ideology' they want to use them. so long as we think that terrorism only comes from the muslim world, you're going to get bit and we're finding that out from the individual that the fbi arrested. he had an explosive device of a car boehm, isis style, thousand pounds of explosives but he

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over the phone msnbc terrorism analyst and executive director of the terror asymmetric project, malcolm nance. thank you for joining us. >> this is the sixth deadliest terror attack in the past 13 months, and it seems like we ask this question over and over again, malcolm, but is there any way of preventing these sort of high impact, low planning attacks really that seems like have been happening over and over again for the last few years? >> well, unfortunately, the easiest way to deter these attacks is to have great intelligence on the terrorists. spain is a country which has an excellent counterterrorism force in la guardia. they actualliville since 2004 when they had the madrid bombing attack had no incidents of terrorism and had arrested over 700 al qaeda and isis sympathizers. when you are talking about using a vehicle as a weapon, there's almost no deterrent to that other than to find the plot out in advance and intercept the driver before he gets to his target, but that could be just about anywhere. >> malcolm, let me ask you about president trump's reaction to this. i know that he in

joining us by phone now, malcolm nance. these vehicle related attacks, the car rammings, we're seeing more and more of those in the past few years. we have ohio state, charlottesville, what happened the other day, the attack in nice last summer that killed so many people. you can go on and on and on, when are we going to see this sort of thing stop? is there any home of stopping it? >> this is such a simple form of terrorist attack that there is is little hope of seeing it. it is why individuals carry out these attacks, but what we see in the last few -- it used to be groups, very well coordinated terrorist cells. that was breaking down into one and two person teams. in israel we started to see individual weapons attack where a person would just pick up a kitchen knife, and then we saw these vehicles as weapons attacks. israel suffered over 60 attacks like this in the last few years and isis got on to that strategy and inspired their followers to get a vehicle and carry out these mass murders. we can put up bare cased and l

susan page and malcolm nance. carol, i want to get to you. here's the president of the united states, under investigation by a special counsel and two congressional committees for collusion. and now it seems his son was meeting with russian representatives including from the russian government that they had some dirt on the rival, hillary clinton. sbeegs the meeting form purpose. the president puts out a statement and said that wasn't what it was about. he said it was something about russian adoption. as if the campaign people including his son was somehow interested. in subject. a nonsensical cover-up story and i don't see how anyone can't see this to the question of collusion. your thoughts. >> i look at it as central to bob mueller's investigation of obstruction. it is not advisable for the president of the united states to, without the benefit of lawyers on air force one conferring with his family, overrooming them and dictating a statement that conceals facts and information when it is about his campaign's meetings with russians. he left

we will also hear from former counterterrorism analyst malcolm nance. >> hello everybody. i am in los angeles. checking my microphone, thank you. can you hear me now? this is a debate we do every year. are on the portions middle east. tonight how weat got here and what we have

let's bring in malcolm nance. you were with me when we first got news of this yesterday and we talked about it yesterday afternoon. it's always very difficult in the initial stages because you're trying to determine whether it was an attack inspired by or directed by a terrorist group. does seem now that this was much more detailed and planned than our initial evaluation was and that's because when we hear about these cars going into crowds or vans going into crowds, it seems like a low tech attack. we're learning different things about it now. >> you're absolutely right. we're learning that there may have been three components to this attack and that due to a failure, which the night before the attack on la rambla, there was a building which blew up in a small town south of barcelona, which may as the spanish police believe now have been the bomb factory where the tourists were assembling a propane style bomb. it was believed to have been a gas explosion. now they believe it was the bomb factory. they were going

reporterden ken delanian and a californian member of the house intelligent committee and analyst malcolm nanceeli stokeles, the washington journal. in that order what do we make of the fact counsel mueller and his people are issuing subpoenas, they're going after -- manafort who always looked like the low hanging fruit, it doesn't surprise me they're moving faster on him because of his commercial entanglements with all elements of the russian hierarchy. >> it doesn't surprise me either, chris, what this is at bottom is an efforty paul manafort was paid $17 million by a russian-backed ukrainian political party. this was a lobbying campaign from 2012 through 2014. pr firms were paid to lobby on behalf of this ukrainian regime they didn't register at the time. they subsequently have done so. now mueller wants to know, who got paid, what did they do? he's not just asking. he is compelling their testimony before a grand jury and as you know when you go before a grand jury, you can't lie. if you lie, you go to jail. >> congressman, what do have you on this on the committee? what is it that they're l

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. >> tonight on c-span, author david horwitz form intelligence officer malcolm nance and others talk about the situation in the middle east and the policies of the bush, obama and trump administration. here's a preview. >> the one thing that is been missing for decades, i've written three books about it, going after the ideology of the pope of isis and al qaeda. the art and occul are called bee it taken the peaceful religion, corrupted to me they are the executor of god, to bring about the end of times. and the greatest ally by those people in this country and in the west who say it's the muslims who are the problems. no. they are not. i know what the 1.6 billion muslims want. a 2017 toyota corolla. [laughing] what they don't need is to have a small fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of a cold, this call by way that existed throughout history, and have them afraid of people do not follow the quran, who pretend like their muslims and not rely on guys like me in the intelligence community to come and tell you straight that the guy who sitting to my right is a muslim, a s

. >>> malcolm nance, msnbc terrorism analyst is joining me. for the purpose of this conversation, he lived in spain for eight years. is that right, malcolm? >> absolutely right. i spent many times in barcelona. >> before we start our conversation here, for our viewers at home, on the left side of your screen, that's a news conference that is ongoing. it is in spanish. we have someone standing by for us and we are going to try and decipher precisely what was just said. he appeared to take some questions. a spanish official just wrapping up a news conference. kelly cobiella is standing by. malcolm, this part of barcelona that we're talking about, for folks watching and listening, describe this area and why it might be such a target for terrorists. >> well, it's a very good target for terrorists if you want to use it from the terrorist perspective. it's a large street with two parallel roads with a pedestrian walkway up the middle, the ramble. it goes all the way from the port and the aquarium area where cruise ships come in and goes all the way u

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joining me now, attorney raul reyes, teresa kumar and msnbc contributor malcolm nance.reat to have you with me and it seems as if hurricane harvey, now a tropical storm that we will continue to cover, but this was a hurricane of information that came out of the white house yesterday that was diluted because of the fact that there was such important and intense coverage about hurricane harvey. but maria, were you surprised at all by this news or do you think that donald trump tipped his hand earlier this week at that rally in arizona. >> well, first of all, he definitely tipped his hand earlier in arizona but if you look very closely at the major announcements coming out of the white house that are going to be controversial, they always happen late friday night. and this -- oh, shoot. >> hey, m.t., i think your mike fell off. don't worry about it. i got you covered. let's go ahead and listen to the reaction of joe arpaio last night being interviewed by the arizona republic about any regrets. >> so, looking back, would you have done anything differently with these immigra

. >> joining me now is malcolm nance.in having played a role in jack gaining a public profile. we put together this focus group. this was back in early july of last year. i believe we recorded on july 11th. it was before the convention. jack tried so take over the focus group. he kept talking and talking and ta talking everything he said was inaccurate. he was aggressive as a trump supporter. in your view. would things like that put him on the radar? >> what do you think of it? >>. >> i think i know the question you're asking. . he was sent to you as a representative of the pennsylvania republican party, as someone who would be good on that panel. as we all know, he is a p provocatore of the altright. he was one of the gentlemen who -- and ladies who jumped up on the stage at the play of julius ceasars in new york city. and now he has a history of having been involved in the macron leaks, which u.s. senate intelligence committee and the fbi believes may have been a russian intelligence operation to hack and release inform

bush, and msnbc contributor malcolm nance. there was an awkward pause for a second.years as a business reporter, he is not a guy who talks to even the business press. he is a very deliberate man. things don't come out of his mouth accidentally. how did you read that? >> yeah, he's also the most senior cabinet secretary in trump's administration, so him saying those words is remarkable, shows how isolated donald trump is, but i have to say this, ali, words are cheap, and what is the action. there's been so many red lines drawn over the last several months with the firing of comey, with shoot, go back to access hollywood, still there's been no action from republicans. i say this to rex tillerson and cohen and others, why are you still there? if this is such a problem for you, if he doesn't speak for you, why have you not resigned? >> evan, this is an interesting point because a number of the president's so-called globalists or democrat advisers as breitbart calls them, the treasury secretary and gary cohn, economic adviser are under pressure to rebuke the president or