joining us, sarah kenzie, malcolm nance. malcolm, we know that donald trump in 2013 and your book people should read -- actually, both your books. you talk about the long-time grooming of donald trump to be in the service and the sway of the kremlin. he's in moscow to get this tower done. the miss universe pageant, he tries to invite vladimir putin to it. he allegedly offers him the penthouse suite if he can get the tower done. we know he was working with amin agilara, big developers in moscow. here's a tweet that donald trump posted on his way back from the miss universe pageant. he says i had a great weekend with you and your family. you have done a fantastic job. trump tower moscow is next. can you put in context for us what the tower had to do with the subsequent thing that we've started to call russia-gate. >> well obviously donald trump has had a long relationship with moscow that predates the 2016 election. my analysis shows that the russians may have started grooming him in 2010 and then really went at him in 2012 whe

well, with us to talk about it tonight, malcolm nance, a veteran of naval intelligence, special ops, homeland security with 35 years working in counterterrorism overseas and in this country. malcolm, i want to make two things clear. number one, we're going to watch four caskets with american flags come home. number two, it's germane and important to say that mike pence has a kid in the military. i also want to play for you what senator lindsey graham said. we'll start our conversation on the other side. >> anytime a president does something that people on the ground are rattled by, it usually comes back to bite us. this is the beginning of what happened in iraq. when it got to be seen that we're going to start withdrawing all of our forces, people went back to their corners and they started hedging their bets. so my advice to the administration is i understand why you want to reevaluate our footprint everywhere, it makes sense, but take this as a warning sign of what could be coming. >> malcolm nance, you are the expert. what's the truth on the ground? what should the u.s. be doing? >

joining me katie fang and malcolm nance. malcolm, let's start with you.happened between the last 48 hours to roger stone? >> well, i think roger stone is being roger stone. he's trying to play the media. you know, through a various number of interviews he did one with chris cuomo as well where he was adamant he will protect donald trump at all costs. and i think that's because he's playing to an audience of one and that one is donald trump they have a history that goes back decades and i'm sure there are things that roger stone knows that will come out if he's brought before the grand jury and asked these questions that he just doesn't want to have out and he knows donald trump will need to protect that however, i think that it's too late for roger stone to get a pardon if that's what he's playing to. >> was this sort of a cry to a pardon at all, do you think, katie? >> well, who would turn down the pardon if it was given but here's the problem from a legal perspective, kendis, even if you're given a pardon, you can still be hailed before a grand jury and

and malcolm nance, veteran of naval intelligence, special operations, homeland security with 35 years working in counterintel and intelligence. also happens to be the author of "the plot to destroy democracy: how putin and his spies are undermining america and dismantling the west." a book that could be updated on a weekly basis if the author so chose. welcome all of you back to the broadcast. jill, i have to ask you, in the upside down world of 2019, how big news is it in effect that the president said tonight he's going to follow procedure? >> that was very notable. especially in the interview with the daily caller tonight. we haven't seen the full transcript yet but the president does seem to very clearly say that he's not going to interfere with the release of the final report. that's contrary to what we've heard very recently even from his attorney rudy giuliani, who said just in recent days that the legal team would want to correct in his words and somehow alter that final report before it made its way to congress or before it was publicly released. i just want to also caution,

malcolm nance is an msnbc terror analyst and the author of "the plot to destroy america." and michael mcfaul. good evening to you both. malcolm, i wonder what you think given the intersection of the mueller probe and counterintelligence issues you focus on, what does it say to you that rod rosenstein both is preparing to leave but says basically through leaks that he would do it when mueller is done? >> i'm not sure whether rosenstein is going to be leaving as fast as people think. but i think that maybe if he's going to leave at all, he's going to leave when one key aspect of this investigation is finished. and if the new filings that we saw with paul manafort are any indication, it's because robert mueller has found the bridge between russian intelligence and the trump campaign. and all that is left -- again, we don't know anything that robert mueller knows. we're only finding this out through manafort's filing and the error they made. but what we most likely are going to see here is that at some point, that information, that polling data that manafort gave them was hande

malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst.n harwood, cnbc editor at large. thanks to the three of you being here to help me through this. malcolm, let me just start with you. one of the things -- i really think it's important that people read this article. it's well-researched and it's long, but one of the things in "the new york times" report is quoting from lisa page, the former fbi lawyer who said, "in the russian federation and in president putin himself, you have an individual whose aim is to disrupt the western alliance and whose aim is to make western democracy more fractious northern to weaken our ability, america's ability and the west's ability to spread our democratic ideals." that's from lisa page, former bureau lawyer. she told house members that in private testimony that "the new york times" got its hands on. that seems to have been central to why the fbi decided to launch a counterintelligence investigation. they really were fearful. our nation's top law enforcement officials were fearful that the president of t

. >> we welcome malcolm nance and the author of "the plot to destroy democracy."ough your mind as you see some of bob mueller past warnings and analysis of this given that in the past two years we hear nothing from him? >> well. >> i think it is brilliant that you put that display of his quotes together. because what it shows you is, and this is for people who certainly over the last couple of years have been feeling disheartened because they haven't seen the speed that robert mueller and the special counsel have been working with. but if you look at the prosecutions that he's done, which are all based on this cyber warfare disinformation operation, he has been wildly successful and he aent even -- and he hasn't even gotten to the bottom of then conspire conspiracy as it exists. robert mueller knows what he's doing. he has been as director of the fbi for three presidents, he has already known, always been at the cutting-edge of how our opponents have been coming at this nation, particularly using counter intelligence. >> and it is fascinating because you mentionin

betsy woodruff and malcolm nance have stuck with us.alcolm, you start, i wonder donald trump ran on an anti-neo campaign and we won't fight for iran or syria or none of that neo mission and then picks nikki haley and then john bolton and these people are out there as if they're working for w. again. >> well, donald trump lied. i mean, it is as simple as that. there is virtually nothing that he does within the body politic where you could express some semblance of organization or forethought. there is absolutely nothing. john bolton was somebody forced in because it was hardline against iran. he took him. he said nikki haley looked like someone from central casting, very well regarded in the republican party. he does not care what they say. and it clearly reflects the bipolar nature of how donald trump likes to govern. he likes people who looks like they are in the job and he makes the decision. >> you're unbelievable, malcolm. that is hideous. that is absolutely hideous. but betsy i grew up in the cold war from 1947 we hid under our des

. >> malcolm nance, you and i have been doing this since july, is it, of 2016.een having the same conversation. you've written two books with the same message in them. it is extraordinary we are not talking about that, into a fresh investigation into the sitting president of the united states, as he is being president, performing the duties of the presidency, being investigated as a potential asset of russia, i will give you the last word on this. i'm sure this isn't the last word on this we will keep talking about it but the last word in this segment. >> it's very simple. this nation is under threat. the threat is the person sitting in the seat of the president of the united states. his actions, behaviors, his staff, they appear to be this wholly owned subsidiary of vladamir putin. he has more loyalty to them than the constitution of the united states. this shutdown is a really good example of that. that being said, former cia director, john brennan mentioned people who betrayed this nation often did it thinking they weren't betraying the nation. aldridge aims

malcolm nance, sharing or selling information is a worse case scenario.nnel with russia, headlines how he would whatsapp with mbs with the saudi crown prince. this is quite alarming. >> it is you know there's an additional point that i'm going to terrify you with right now, the counterintelligence professionals who are making these determinations that people shouldn't have it are now going to or have probably thought about this individual, mr. klein, to determine was he allowing a network to set up within the white house was he himself either influenced by a hostile foreign power or by political preference within the white house and allowing these unclearable individuals to come in there to set up like i said a network where they could be compromising the national security of the united states. if i was in counterintelligence at the fbi and definitely at the cia, i would be pulling my hair out right now because we all know jared kushner as you mentioned in the previous segment, asked a foreign power to use foreign crypto graphic communication systems so h

the golf russians if you read malcolm nance's book, their goal it was to destabilize the west and sowhaos. anybody watching would agree that's what's happening, >> sean: joining us, host of "the dan bongino show" podcast dan bongino. i from the sirius xm patriot show, carrie pickett. you have interviewed pelosi the last couple days she made up whole cloth about the story about the state of the union not being safe. she didn't ask the secret service or the department of homeland security but the reality is she has been invited almost every day to meet with the president and they refuse to even talk to him. >> absolutely. you know what? here's the thing. the democrats really don't have any incentive to stay in washington. j as fare as they were concerned, they can pretty much just delay this entire process as much as they want because in a way, they can sort of look at this as their sort ofei revenge for say the republicans never seating merrick garland. they can say, we are getting back at you. we are officially in 2020 election cycle at this point. this is a political attack. so i don

. >> that was msnbc contributor malcolm nance speaking withexpl the "new york times" came out this weekendobe to determine if president trump was secretly working on behalf of the russian government when firing james comey in 2017. describing how trump described details of meetings with vladimir putin, kept them from his senior advisers. raising a red flag whether the president of the united states is being manipulated by the russian government. and joined by author of "house of trump, house of putin." and back with us now, natasha. fill this in for us now. when we look at these two pieces of reporting coming out over the weekend the next question might be how might a president of the united states become an agent of another country? right? that's really what's being put out in the headlines, and how might we put our arms around the steps to do that? >> well, one of the ways, i mean, according to intelligence experts that i speak to, of course, is leverage. that could take the form, of course whs course, when it comes to donald trump of potentially salacious videotape. of, you know, certai

. >>> joining me now, malcolm nance and terrorism analyst with 35 years in counter-terrorism and intelligence and the author of the book "how to plot to hack america" and matthew miller and former chief spokesperson for the justice department. malcolm i'll begin with you. as someone who i think is for a long time had this as the working theory of how the facts arrange themselves, what do you think? >> well, i think that the reporting that we got this weekend really spells out what the fbi had to have thought. it would have been malpractice for the fbi not to have considered with the intelligence they had, going forward and certainly by the time that donald trump came out of the meeting with sergey lavrov and sergey kislyak and said he fired the fbi director because of the russia thing and stopping the russia investigation, they had to assume that there was a nefarious intent in his activities and it is quite possible he could have been turned or was working in his own interest which equaled russia's interest. >> let me follow up on that. there is all of the terms, that he's run as an agent or

so in that way, it also speaks to the point that malcolm nance is making, that the russian propaganda effort to also discredit anything negative about president trump. >> are those things working in concert together? don't know for sure. but clearly as you saw today from the president's tweets, it is the strategy, the scorched earth strategy to undercut any negative reporting about him and in part to keep his core supporters in tact. >> barbara, folks might ask, how are we learning now and how is the information getting out. >> i'm not sure how it is getting out. i think some is in the form of testimony of james baker and others who testified before congress and kind of putting the pieces together in those things. it appears that that transcript may have been leaked by someone on -- in congress. i don't know what their goal is or why they're sharing it. perhaps it is to renew focus on this as the democrats take control in congress. i don't know why. but if you look at the testimony of james baker and others as ben wits put in law fair that talks about the focus of this is always been

. >> malcolm nance, nbc terrorism analyst. >> i just want everyone to work together, to get people paid and back to work. >> yeah. >> across the board, please. this is why people don't like the government. >>> all right, we're two weeks away from tax season and that's not exciting enough. if the shutdown has not affected you yet, it's going to get very personal. the irs will be working at about half staff, which could mean a delay for your refund. next, we're going to speak with the president of irs workers union, now suing the u.s. government and trying to get back to work with pay ahead of their busy season. this is so upsetting, ali. >> we are watching the markets through all of this 28 days of shutdown. here's a live look at the dow. you can see a very strong day. it's peeled back a little bit. the dow is up more than 1%. this is on talk that perhaps we've got a trade agreement with or some development. >> the question has been what does the president prefer to be, mr. market, or mr. tariff. and today it looks like he cares more about being mr. market. >> you're watching "velshi & r

malcolm nance has spent 30 years working in counterintelligence and an author and he knows a lot abouts case. both on the national security and the legal rangling and the tv lawyering. what do you think of the giuliani? >> it is not as good as the dougie. >> no. >> but i think it is closer to the macarrena. if anybody knows the original macarrena song as it was sung in spain where i lived, it was two old guys singing this song about a young woman and who was being thoroughly ignored by the young woman. so this is rudy giuliani. he's an old guy, comes on television and he just spouts off what he wants to say. and last night i was dumbfounded when he came out and said he never ever said that anybody had any collusion and then qualified it within the trump campaign and then narrowed it down to in coordination with russian hacking. so it is an amazing dance. >> it is amazing and it goes to what people try to understand and we all spend time doing it, which is there have been deliberate strategies where sloppy giuliani put something out. like he did on stormy daniels on live tv. because the

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joining me a staff writer at the atlantic and malcolm nance, msnbc contributor and author of the ploty democracy. we will start with you. everything about the wheelan plot is odd. he. has only interesting history. this former marine was found to have, when he was deployed to iraq bouncing nearly $6,000 worth of checks and also attempting to steal more than $10,000 worth of currency from the u.s. government, which is why he is no longer in the marines, apparently. and then we find out from the "new york times," that's washington post reporting, the "new york times" then reports, quote, some former american officials say by detaining a citizen of multiple countries, russia may have miscalculated, with a larger part of the community and moscow is most susceptible to. what they mean is this american has british citizenship and irish citizenship and also a canadian passport. apparently, he was born in canada. i am dying to know if you made up all this. >> this is fascinating. this is the worst jason bourne movie ever. i mean, racking up all the passports and everything. i actually ran a sc

and malcolm nance has been saying this for years -- >> two and a half. >> -- that this president actedersary to the united states, and here republicans, the law and order party, the family values party, defends somebody who cannot himself say no, i did not help and aid a foreign adversary to the united states. it's a travesty. >> jennifer rubin, the party of ronald reagan is now down to answering questions about whether the president of the united states is an agent of russia, by saying i don't know about all these leakers. there are people leaking and there's leaking and i have to talk about leaking. >> the leaking angle is now the talking point for the republicans to get past this news cycle the next 24 hours. you know, the steele dossier is looking better every single day. the steele dossier told us a long time ago that donald trump for years was cultivated by the russians. >> decades. >> and everything that has happened since that leads to one to believe that is the case. this is the guy who said the russians were right to be in afghanistan. this is the guy who has chosen vladimir