. >> larry: glenn, you have other manson stuff there.t bother you, what debra just said? >> well, we certainly try to concern ourselves with the thoughts and concerns of victims and certainly our hearts go out to them. it was, as chief beck mentioned, it was a terrible tragedy with a number of people lost their lives. likewise, we have an obligation both as a museum and then the bigger one as the police department to train, educate, and inform officers and the public doing about people that do this particular job of investigating people that have lost their jobs. >> larry: what are some other manson things you have, quickly? >> quickly, the ropes that the victims were bound with are on display in one cabinet. adjoining that cabinet was a fork that was used to stab another victim. >> larry: galand, our clinical psychologist is here. what do you make of this, doctor? >> larry, it's extremely disturbing to me, on a couple levels. one, given the fact that none of the relatives of the victims were notified about this, i find that really distu

knifes and rope from the charles manson murders, o.j. simpson's if it doesn't fit you must acquit glove, rfk's blood shirt. they're all revealed next on "larry king live." we begin with breaking news. human remains were found today in san diego. likely those of a teenaged girl, chelsea king, who went missing last thursday. police arrested 30-year-old john albert gardner iii sunday in connection with with her disappearance. he's a registered sex offender. we'll get the latest from adrian moore a reporter in san diego. what is the story, adrian? >> yeah, larry. good evening to you. sheriff's deputies came out around 1:00 and discovered what they believe to be the remains of chelsea king, a 17-year-old student here in the area. they made this grizzly discovery just about 10 miles off the shore of lake hodges. we understand that a dive team spotted her off the shore, again, around 1:00 this afternoon. it was on the southeastern side of the lake. this has been an extensive search, a six-day long search here. again, investigators say this is n

when tracy, who never had disciplinary problems, tried to reach his 13-year-old girlfriend, kayla mansonwho doesn't own a cell phone. he texted her friend, ratley, who expressed her disapproval of his relationship with manson. >> she responded back in a manner -- she said some things he didn't apparently like. >> reporter: specifically, sheriff lamberti told abc news, one text mentioned the recent suicide of tracy's older brother whom the 15-year-old found hanging from a tree. in a rage, investigators say, he texted friends that he was going to kill ratley and rode his bicycle to the school. his girlfriend, manson, now charged as an accessory, pointed out ratley as she waited at the middle school's bus loop. the types of texts that triggered that merciless attack and landed josie here in critical condition, part of her skull had to be removed to relieve the swelling, are of increasing concern to child psychologists. tracy, who's been charged with premeditated attempted murder, was consumed by something lamberti is calling text rage. psychologists say the impersonality of electronic messa

they have the same rights as charles manson, correct? >> i said that murderers have the same rights as charles manson. if these people are charged with murder, that is the kind of rights they would get. >> and terrorists have the same rights as charles manson? >> in the sense that a murderer has the right to go before a jury, get the ax that he is charged with proved beyond a reasonable doubt, yes. >> osama bin laden has the same rights as charles manson. >> they are comparable people in some ways. >> that is incredible. that is for the disconnect between this administration in your mindset is completely opposite that of where the vast majority of the american people are. my constituents and i have deep- seated and profound philosophical differences. in a time of war, we have never given constitutional rights to foreign nationals, and many soldiers -- enemy soldiers, certainly captured overseas. he asked the question, you could not provide him with an example, can you provide us an example of when in a time of war the united states has n

guest: the charles manson part, which is charles manson was arrested in california in 1969 and tried for a series of mass murderers. he was a serial killer and a mass murderer, most famously sharon tate and her friends' murders in los angeles in 1969. but when he was tried, he was able to invoke the constitutional procedures and he was convicted. there is a similarity that charles manson is also a fanatic so. he, perhaps like some of these defendants, and we've seen some behavior like this in the preliminary hearings at guantanamo bay, he was less interested in evading punishment than to make statements. he also tried to change the subject about what was going on in the country and why the children in the country -- i mean, he was trying to not get into, oh, you got the wrong guy. i was never there. it was not that kind of defense. it was the same kind of fanatic defense, like you guys are the real criminals, sort of thing. so that type of fanatical show trial effort that he and his co-defendants puft on didn't really -- put on didn't really stand in the way of him being convicted an

guest: the charles manson part, which is charles manson was arrested in california in 1969 and tried for a series of mass murderers. he was a serial killer and a mass murderer, most famously sharon tate and her friends' murders in los angeles in 1969. but when he was tried, he was able to invoke the constitutional procedures and he was convicted. there is a similarity that charles manson is also a fanatic so. he, perhaps like some of these defendants, and we've seen some behavior like this in the preliminary hearings at guantanamo bay, he was less interested in evading punishment than to make statements. he also tried to change the subject about what was going on in the country and why the children in the country -- i mean, he was trying to not get into, oh, you got the wrong guy. i was never there. it was not that kind of defense. it was the same kind of fanatic defense, like you guys are the real criminals, sort of thing. so that type of fanatical show trial effort that he and his co-defendants puft on didn't really -- put on didn't really stand in the way of him being convicted an

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>> bill: reverend, that would be like saying that america is a homicidal country because charles mansons an american. you can't do that it? >> would be like saying america is a great country that has elements of homicide in it, which is true. >> bill: that can be true. >> he said elements. >> bill: he singled out the tea party. >> you singled out pitts. >> bill: i singled him out for using -- >> bill: let the audience decide. always fun to debate you. you are a standup guy for coming in. whether the political debate will get nasaer. later bernie goldberg how the tea party is promoting the >> bill: political divide in america, joining from us washington, fox news chief political analyst brit hume taking us to the human zone. i will give you the same opening question that i gave to reverend sharpton. what say you about all of this? >> well, it tells us something about this issue of race. the charge of racism is so damaging and such a terrible thing to say about somebody because there is a consensus on this country bordering on unanimity that racism is wrong and indeed evil. that is why th

>> what's charles manson's middle name? >> larry: who cares? >> he's the most notorious killer in america. we don't know his middle name, but all these sole lone nut assassins given three names. >> larry: because? >> it's a psychological preparation to get accustomed that only one person does the dirty work. >> larry: jesse ventura, that's interesting. we'll be right back with more. the book is "american conspiracies." don't go away. approximate thanks for coming. it was really nice to meet you, a.j. yeah, you too. a.j.? (alarm blasting) (screaming) (phone rings) hello? this is bill with broadview security. is everything okay? no. there's this guy - he just smashed in my door. i'm seúling help right now. thank you. (announcer) brink's home security is now broadview security. call now to install the standard system for just $99. the proven technology of a broadview security system delivers rapid response from highly-trained professionals, 24 hours a day. call now to get the $99 installation, plus a second keypad installed free. and, you could sa

>> what's charles manson's middle name? >> larry: who cares?> he's the most notorious killer in america. we don't know his middle name, but all these sole lone nut assassins given three names. >> larry: because? >> it's a psychological preparation to get accustomed that only one person does the dirty work. >> larry: jesse ventura, that's interesting. we'll be right back with more. the book is "american conspiracies." don't go away. it's speedy alka-seltzer. alka-seltzer plus. rushes relief for all-over, achy colds. the official cold medicine of the u.s. ski team. alka-seltzer plus. to st. cloud, minnesota. >> larry: we're back. let's take a couple calls for jesse ventura. the book "american conspiracies." sacramento, california. hello. >> caller: hey larry and jesse. it's an honor to speak with both of you. i felt very compelled to call, because i agree with everything jesse said. it must be because we're from the same generation. i feel the same way about our political party. >> larry: what's the question? >> caller: he gave the comment about

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attorney general told the committee detain ee would be treated like a mass murderer like charles mansona lot of congressional and other pushback own the decision to try the self-pro fessed master mind in new york. holder said yesterday a new decision on how and where to deal with him will be made in weeks not months. >>> jeanne meserve, thanks. >>> republicans united against plans to pass the senate's health care reform. will they give in to pressure from the white house? we'll talk to one of the holdout, jason altmire from pennsylvania. >>> it's an "a.m. original." every car has one but it seems investigators can't download crash data from the black box recorders in toyota models leaving some to wonder if toyota is trying to hide something. >> at 7:39, we're looking at detroit's $1 billion plan to save schools. there are some students there getting things right. we're live ahead. [ male announcer ] as long as we're winding up our doing dials, let's wind 'em with precision. open our throttle to even more selection. and turn that savings swagger up full tilt. ♪ so when the time comes to

we are now joined exclusively by 13-year-old kayla manson's grandmother and legal guardian lori wiggins and her aunt, as well as kayla's attorney. good morning to all of you. >> good morning, meredith. >> kayla lives with you, christine. after josie was brutally beaten, the police showed up at your house. can you tell me what happened? >> they came and just wanted to know what was going on, what happened at school today. that was it. they weren't there for very long. they just visited shortly. they poke spoke to kayla, then left. >> the next day they arrested kayla. is that correct? >> correct. >> what has she told you about what happened that day to her friend and what, if any, role she played in this terrible tragedy? >> meredith, good morning. attorney jonathan marne here. respectfully, the family wants to come forward and have a good interview this morning and discuss their sympathies for the victim, but regretfully, we are somewhat limited in the content that we can give out to the media at this time as there is a pending investigation and charges have actually not been formally fi

corrupt beltway inside somewhere palin, i'm sure, is a product of a conjugal visit between charles manson are not ideal options. if you want to read more, you'll find it on my blog cnn.com/cafferty file. funny stuff. have a great weekend. >> see you monday. >> she was -- she came face to face with the president at his first state dinner though she wasn't on the guest list. it's what she's doing next that has our attention. raspberry cheesecake... >>> the washington area couple who caused a major stir for crashing a white house state dinner are cashing in on 15 minutes of fame. brianed to is working the story. >> they've got their roles on the bravo network, despite leaving a trail notice town that's damaged careers and reputations. >> mr. and mrs. salahi. >> reporter: their adventure gave the secret service a huge black eye, and within a few months the white house social secretary lost her job. they refused to testify to congress about their actions. and a source close to the couple tells cnn, mick kel salahi's own mother got drawn into grand jury hearings but it looks like the salahis ar

today that they would be treated not like an innocent citizen, but like a mass murderer, like charles manson. and that let to some more colorful language when texas republican john culverson said that would be a profound disconnect with the american people. >> granting osama bin laden the right to appear in a u.s. courtroom, you are clothing osama bin laden with the protections of the u.s. constitution. that's unavoidable. and something that you've skipped right past. >> let's deal with reality. >> giving constitutional rights to enemy soldiers that's the po found problem. >> you talk about a hypothetical that will never occur. the reality is that we'll be reading miranda rights to the corpse of osama bin laden. >> he did not elaborate. it is not clear if he believes that bin laden will die in battle or kill himself rather than face the prospect of being captured. >> that ends the debate over this whole notion of military commissions? >> absolutely not. the attorney general started questioning culbertson. here's a bit of that exchange. >> in those military commissions those people are given

they have the same rights that a charles manson would have. any other kind of mass murder wrote. those are the comparisons that people should be making in the -- in making the determination if terrorists are being treated correctly. it cannot compare them to an average citizens that have committed no crimes. >> is it true that military tribunals, the rights of the defendants are skewed in favor of the defendants and the military commission and merriment. is that correct or incorrect? >> i am not sure i would say they are skewed toward the defendant. one of the things that you find is because of the lack of familiarity with these kinds of cases, there is a greater comfort in the article iii setting to be more strict and interacting with defendants then you perhaps see in military commissions. that is not to say that you cannot try successfully and appropriately these matters in military commissions. with regard to choosing a specific figure for a civil trial, the request -- id requests $73 million for holding the 9/11 perpetrator trial in federal court in the southern district of

murphy manson the problem. it was some of the joys and sorrows. i was talking with a lesbian colonel a week or two ago. she described a situation genus that as happened where somebody was serving in iraq and on skype was able to watch the birth of his child. sitting in right next jam was a lesbian woman who had a partner back home who was pregnant and she knew to not be able to do the same thing. she put herself at risk for losing her job and the ability to support her family. those are the kinds -- the risks that gays and lesbians feel. i do not see how you gather the information and exchanges you want. describe that for me. >> i expect to guard have people coming up to you, heterosexual, that have expressed views. my guess is you have not had full colonels come to you and say, someone he to know that i am a lesbian or gay. >> how are we going to do this together? >> i consider it a readiness issue. that woman will not be able to view the birth of her child. >> we do not have a great answer for you. >> we must find a way for the views of homosexu