maqdisi without charge.was released in february and so we went to visit him then, sort of soon afterwards. and then we carried on interviewing him. there was a big team of investigators on this piece will stop we continue to investigate -- interview him. when you meet him, he don't really know what you're going to get. this guy is the spiritual godfather of al qaeda and the count him as a personal friend. he is the mentor. he was the mentor of the founder of isis. going on to create havoc by having people massacring she is by the thousands. so you don't know what to expect. but when you meet him he is a very interesting guy. he is completely energetic enthusiastic almost childlike in his enthusiasm talking about almost anything. his hands foil over the place. he is thin. he is a sense of humor, which sort of throws you. qatada is this very large lumbering man and very tall. it is quite intimidating. it is hard to grasp just how big this guy is. he speaks very quietly and all must has like marlon brando in "t