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in moments we'll be joined by marc thiessen and crystal ball, a senior fellow. and then we'll hear from two veterans who served in iraq. former white house secretary dana perino and then robert part let, an iraq war veteran, and larry core, former defense secretary. karl cameron is life tonight with the details on an incredible exchange we just saw last hour. karl? >> reporter: it crackled. it's important to remember they actually appeared sequentially. hillary clinton won the coin toss and got to go first and donald trump was going to get the last word. but it also meant that donald trump would have the last word taking his shots and not get hillary clinton's rebuttal. they differed in style as well as in substance. on substance whether it was isis, the iraq war, whether it was the va, a whole host of issues. they teach took the opportunity to lob a shot at the other. and on the subject of the va specifically, donald trump suggested that it has been a disaster and he will reform it, though he didn't say specifically how. whereas hillary clinton took a bit of a

marc thiessen, and roland martin, great to see you both. let's talk about the refugee situation.the immigration policies of the two candidates. the president today coming out saying we need more, we need more come into the country and hillary clinton saying, okay, they'll be sugg t subjected to tough vetting. this is how she put it. >> i am absolutely in favor of and have long been an advocate for tough vetting for making sure that we don't let people into that country. and not just people who come here to settle, but we need a better visa system. >> your thoughts on that. >> she was in charge of the visa system. he was secretary of state for the first three years of the obama administration. why didn't she give aus better visa system when he was in charge of the department that was in charge of issuing visas. this is the problem. hillary clinton want to run away with barack obama and wants to tie herself at the hip with him. they're going to be come paining together twice a week up until election day. she wants his support but she also is going to be tied to his record. what is

. >> marc thiessen is a fox news contributor. marc, what do you make of the comments?ess we're all deplorable now. before it was just half of trump's supporters are racist, now we're all racists. the reality is she was asked on a nationally televised broadcast the question do you believe police are implicitly biassed against black people. the proper answer to that is of course not. the vast majority of police officers are good decent honorable people who risk their lives to protect us and they are not racists. she did not say that. there's a myth out there that there's an epidemic of race-based police shootings. it's not true. harvard university had a study this summer, they look at over 1300 police shootings over 15 years. you know what they found? zero race bias in police shootings. in fact they found police were more likely to fire their weapon when they weren't attacked when the suspect was white. this idea that police are out there shooting people willy-nilly is false. >> she could sense the danger there so she encapsulated everybody saying implicit bias is a prob

martha: fox news contributor marc thiessen, columnist for "the washington post" and fellow at americaninstitute. mark, good to have you here this morning. >> good to be here. martha: this is fascinating, clearly the president is concerned that some blue-collar workers may be drifting away from his party? >> no, that is very true. look, donald trump, you know, donald trump at least he didn't go play golf after an american was beheaded. the fact is barack obama probably spent more time on the golf course than donald trump has. making jokes about not letting on the golf course is a little ridiculous. the reality is, hillary clinton is the weakest democratic nominee that we have had in a generation. 11% of americans believe that she is honest or trustworthy. donald trump should be running away with this election she is so weak and he is not running away with it. take a sate like ohio, neck and neck with hillary clinton that is 83% white and 3.5% hispanic. it is filled with ethnic, working class reagan democrats who are his natural constituencies and he is fighting for ohio when he should b

and marc thiessen thinks it could become a bigger story. he's back with krystal ball. okay. so he's a leader, more so than president obama. and 82% of the russian people, when told by the government they needed to say that, did. what? wait. you know, he's a little -- he's scary. they're a little scared over there is what people say. >> absolutely. i'm old enough to remember it was the democrats who were soft on moscow and the republicans who doesn't like the kgb. but i think this could cost him the election. >> what? >> there's been a lot of focus on how donald trump is alienating hispanic voters. but there are millions of east european voters, polish americans with ukrainian