tony blair, margaret thatcher, they have all said the same thingm tony blair, margaret thatcher, theyall said the same thing. it has been a pleasure, thank you so much for coming in on your saturday evening. that's it for the papers tonight. bbc news has an interview with gymnast simone biles next. good night. spring, texas. a town that sprung up in the 18705 around the international and great north railroad. but, from humble beginnings, it has grown. its population has more than doubled in the last 30 years. now a suburb of houston, more than 5a,000 people call it home, but one of them is a sporting superstar. a diminutive figure who is massive in the world of gymnastics. after 18 months out of the sport, simone biles is back. her timeout wasn't always easy. former us gymnastics doctor larry nassar was found guilty of serial sexual abuse. biles publicly admitted she was one of his victims. but she is aiming to take off where she left the sport, at the rio olympics in 2016 she won five medals, four were gold. in the brazilian heat, she set the sporting world ablaze. everyone thinks we

she is the smile of ronald reagan and the steel of margaret thatcher.ld reagan and the steel of margaret thatcher. herfuture is bright. i think nobody believes that today's‘s announcement is the final chapter that. there is a lot of speculation about what comes next. their believe she was a fantastic of me here in south carolina. she did a meeting things and was perhaps an even better un ambassador in new york. she received rave reviews featuring the time. you have given her quite a buildup. you think she was sizing up the oval office, she like it is a place to work, was she thinking? who knows? it is easy to ascribe aspirations to those who serve in high office. i know with her experience, she has used every opportunity to do the best for the people she serves. she did that at the un and that it would be a great president. she is one of the front runners for when president trump leaves office. why has she gone now? that is an interesting question. she came from the private sector, business, and this will be the end of two terms as governor here in sout

margaret thatcher's time on downing street. for those affected. to condemn the change. cannot be underestimated're moved on to universal credit. advance payments he can receive. two weeks ago. he've even exhausted his food bank vouchers. the dwp has told him he has to wait seven weeks for any kind of payment. on constituents on all sides of the house? absolutely. to the commons on monday afternoon. now, let's take a look at some other news in brief. labelling, and quickly. while on a flight to france. it contained sesame, which she was allergic to. from this government? state. ‘the beatles‘. in the united states. mr speaker, you know what i think really happened? without telling the house. seek death penalty assurances. cleared its first hurdle in the house of lords. for agency services. of six weeks‘ rent. 82 million, i would look at it in that context. records system for youngsters who've had minor brushes with the law. warnings or minor convictions. should face prosecution and punishment. they made in childhood. a big part in our cultural life, but for how much longer? traditionally home to

happened tor what margaret thatcher at this point in 1990 margaret thatcher would probably have had thoseinds of odds against not being prime minister by the end of 1990 and she was indeed ousted why the end of december. i take your point that there is a lot of negative speculation against sterling. and i would say on balance i would agree that the chances of theresa may surviving to the end of the year are better than 50-50. 15% strikes me as too low. guy: fibula betting market is a little complacent on that front. we get any kind of deal low want the bank simply turn around and say we are actually behind the curve at this point? >> the bank of england? yes. quite possibly. if that happens that helps strengthen the pound from there. but let's see exactly how strong how we can avoid the disruptions. the bank could be moving faster than it is. that does give you some upset. guy: thank you for spending time with us. trading 13213 on the cable rate. we are nine minutes away from the close of the european markets. searchingarkets are into the close. the european close is coming up shortly. th

said that market fundamentalism goes back a long ways, but it was really given high profile by margaret thatcher and ronald reagan. him, theand i quote prevailing religion of the west has been market fundamentalism. i say it is a religion because it was not based on economic science or historical evidence. it was sold by thatcher in the u.k. and by reagan in the usa and made reference to some old ideas and economic items of this notion of the invisible hand, the argument that affirms that those who prefer to -- pursue their own interests would lead to general societal well-being. adam smith himself was very aware of the limitations of this argument. he warned explicitly of the dangers of unfettered markets. those who advocated this kind of market fundamentalism advocated a particular form of economic organization, profit maximizing firms without government regulation. this issue of market fundamentalism has been given publicity by george soros in a critical manner. why is it so important to challenge market fundamentalism? anybody who has been advocating in the consumer environmental labor tax a

so you know, even a very right wing politics like margaret thatcher understood that it was very important to make this distinction you. know, it's all words but the question is does donald trump know what he's saying. is he schooled in the history of nationalism. >> i think it's important to play there because he had an explanation today that i'm not sure carries any weight. this is him originally saying it last night. watch this. >> a globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. and you know what? we can't have that. you know, they have a word. it sort of became old fashioned. it's called a nationalist. and i say really, we're not supposed to use that word. you know what i am, i'm a nationalist, okay? i'm a nationalist. >> kind of old fashioned. we're not supposed to use that word. then today at the white house, he tells jim acosta, he says he was unaware of the connotation to white nationalism or that it had a negative connotation. >> which is it. >> that's donald trump for you. in a way at some point you think he's use these thin

. >> martha: you talk about the comparison, you make an analogy to plutarch's live and margaret thatcherthumbnail sketch of what we can expect in your book with regards to that comparison. >> sure come in the new book "leaders, myth and reality," we look at 13 leaders, margaret thatcher, what we are really doing is exploring why they were back would emerge as leaders. what we find is they are not two-dimensional caricatures, they are really very rich, flawed people, and that is what we have to look at in our leaders now. not only in the leaders we see and we follow, but the leaders we select for the future. >> martha: general mattis is leading the department of defense, as you well know, and he spoke out today. i just wanted to play this for you, given your own commitment and the time that you spent leaving our forces in afghanistan. and i wanted to get your reaction to this assessment of his just a short time ago. >> it is not a matter of militaries holding ground. the afghan lads are doing the fighting, just look at the casualties, over 1,000 dead in august and september, 1,000 dead an

margaret thatcher, coca chanel, all different nationalities. completely different backgrounds. and all had a very tough road to leadership. the grocer's daughter, margaret thatcher, sort of works her way through a complicated british political system to become the most famous prime minister outside of winston churchill. she has a whole era named after her. harriet tubman, former slave, goes back 13 times to rescue other slaves. she's not a particularly outgoing woman. she speaks but she speaks for a larger cause. she's got this extraordinary ability to become a symbol for others, not just females but also for african-americans and for everyone. then of course, coca chanel comes out of an orphanage and found an empire and does it by making people want to be like coco chanel and others to want to work for her. >> i never thought i would be talking about coco chanel with general mcchrystal when we met in afghanistan. nonetheless, it's very refreshing. can i just end with something? your own personal epiphany or road to damascus. for a long time general robert e. lee was your hero

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you are familiar with socializee medi as margaret thatcher said, the problem with socialism is that youut of money. people's james: but younger texans are more open to trying things different. in the bars of dallas, beto o'rourke is the talk of the town. >> texas is changing. i've seen a lot of beto o'rourke signs, i've seen a lot of folks campaigning r beto. the folks at the table had been excited for beto in no way that is really invigorating. >> they want someone youngel who they cane to, who has been through similar struggles, who is conscientious of the privilege he has been afforded. james: even withhe support of willie nelson, beto o'rourke's task is tough. int a liberal victor conservative texas no longer looks impossible. james cook, bbc news, dallas. laura: well, tonight president trump will be back on the campaign trail, this time in mississippi. e bbc's rajini vaidyanathan is already there, and she joinedmes a short go. the president -- it feels like he is the campaigner in chief during the midterms. is his role to fire up the base and get people out to vote? rajini: it abso

out of sheer gratitude to a and margaret thatcher.ople want, people wa nted and that is what people want, people wanted the pride of birthplace, it isa wanted the pride of birthplace, it is a sense of excitement, and to humanity. the first couple to take possession of a might hurt, and yet, labour hates that basic instinct. jeremy corbyn hates that instinct. they live in rather nice islington town houses which they own, they would much rather be elected to stay in social accommodation. passed by hereditary right, as the state owned dwellings are from one generation to the next. and they like it that way. because they know that as soon as you get a mortgage or have a stake in society, you are less likely to go on strike, and more likely to vote conservative. if you stay in social rented accommodation you are more likely to vote labour. i'll tell you something, my fellow homeowners, the paradox is, that conservative approach, not only delivers more homes for hire purchase, it delivers more affordable homes as well. more homes for all te

she has the smile of ronald reagan and the steel of margaret thatcher. the future is very bright.y believes today's an outlet is the final chapter for her. there is a lot of speculation about what comes next. i believe she was a fantastic he me here in south carolina. she did a lot of amazing things and was an even better you ambassador in new york. —— un. i'll catch you got rave reviews. you have given a quite a buildup. you think she would like the oval office is a place to work, do you think she was thinking? who knows? it is easy to ascribe aspiration to those in high office. she has used every chance in public service to do what she believes to be the best for the people she serves. she did at the un andi people she serves. she did at the un and i believe would be a great president and one of the front runners for when donald trump leaves office. why has she gone now? that is an interesting question. she given the private sector, in business. certainly, this will be the end of her two terms of —— as governor here is a glider. return to the private sector must be appealing to

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conservative prime minister, john major, also compared the changes to the poll tax that helped in margaret thatcher'sd downing street. —— in downing. in the questions, labour mps queued up to condemn the change. it is causing real hardship to people. we've now got the intervention of two former prime ministers, half of all lone parents and two thirds of couples with children stand to lose £200 each month. is that correct? that is what the secretary of state allegedly said to the cabinet. we want to know, in this house, whether that is true. i would encourage her not to believe everything she sees in the press. as my right honourable friend the secretary of state has made clear, we're making sure no one sees a reduction in their benefits when we move them onto universal credit. there is frequent {3.1 billion of transitional protections being provided. as well as criticisms from former prime ministers, the architect of universal credit iain duncan smith quit as work and pensions secretary, protested customers funding. he told the bbc it needed an extra £2 billion to operate as planned. labour mps wante

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there were elements ofjuly 2016 speech and even when it a big quote from margaret thatcher about choosinga reaching out to business. she felt she had to do it. it was also a personal speech which we had not seen personal speech which we had not seen before. we are going to go to lizzie who is with conference goers coming out of the hall. people are pouring out so let's get some reaction. how did you think it went? phenomenal. so much hope. it was realistic hope and something that everybody in that hall felt. a united party so let's take our country forward. we are ready, she is ready, she is our leader. it was a fairly low bar after last year but what was it specifically? there was a sense of honesty in everything she said. it was our message, the conservative message. so it clear this up and hopefully this is not just for the party, this is for the country. if they think she spoke for them, support your leader, support them, support your leader, support the prime minister. this is a big opportunity for us. on that thorny issue of brexit, was there enough to pull the party together? absol

so, come on board, we will build more houses, forgetting that margaret thatcher flogs off many housesis. she says they are going to build more houses, we are the centre ground, come and join us and cold water has been poured on it, being said that it isa been poured on it, being said that it is a tactic trying to achieve two things. they seem to be trying to push labour further from the mainstream. theoretically, that is possible. she is seizing her moment, we thought that a month ago, there might bea thought that a month ago, there might be a centrist party. she thinks it is maybe not arriving, now she is even borrowing the language of labour, colin the conservatives the party for the many. this is following on in that speech that went so much better than everyone thought it would do at the conservative party conference.” wonder if she thinks an election may be on the horizon. why is she so desperate to appeal to labour voters at this stage? labour voters say thatis at this stage? labour voters say that is what they want rather than a second referendum. maybe she thinks an election i

conservative former prime ministerjohn major also likened it to the policy that helped and margaret thatcher'speople are due to be switched over to universal credit in the coming months. experts say that while there will be winners, others will be worse off. the chair of the work and pensions committee said it was already forcing women onto the streets. it is not going as well as we are being told in the house of commons, were some women have taken to the red light district for the first time. my she come to birkenhead and meet those women's organisations and the police, who are worried about when in process security been pushing to this position? we need to work with those ladies and seek what help we can give them from the work coaches, write the way through to the various charities and organisations. in the meantime, and i add that perhaps he could tell these ladies that now we have got record job vacancies. 830,000 job vacancies and perhaps there are otherjobs on offer. one of the fundamental principles of universal credit was to design a welfare system where people would choose to always

numbers they are constantly adjusted through what are called quote donek adjustments except margaret thatcher was big during at this back in the faster era she famously would recalculate how inflation was calculated that was carried on now a sense the thatcher reagan era and so this idea of inflation being at two percent is a complete falsehood is saying it's actually closer to ten percent but it's hidden because you have the ability through mass media etc to kind of hide this fact but so you're saying that the ability so that the crux of your argument is that the ability to hide inflation has run its course and that will trigger a reversion. to the mean correct. yes i mean another way you could put it far more simply is that you can prove anything you want with statistics except the truth and the program this people will wake up to that very to the if you like the reality of that very simple a person right so just walk us through what this means in an interest rates rise how will the financial world around change in a way that we haven't seen in more than thirty five years so what walk us th

conservative prime ministerjohn major also compared the changes to the poll tax that helped end margaret thatcher'se worse off because of the switch, but said there would be protection for those affected. at business questions, labour mps queued up to condemn the change. the damage that is going on now, let alone next year, cannot be underestimated. the government is determined to continue with the roll—out of universal credit, because it is helping more people back into work. the government has also, however, been determined to improve the system as we roll it out which is why it has been piloted, and that we're making sure no one sees a reduction in benefits when they moved onto universal credit. my constituent has been in and out of work and has exhausted the number of universal credit advance payments he can receive. he's out of work now and received his last pay cheque two weeks ago. he has even exhausted all his food bank vouchers. the dwp has told him he has to wait seven weeks of any kind of payment. thanks to interventions from my office he has been awarded £350 towards paying his rent, wh

frightening and terrible tension allergies that we have to address and that's response i just say that margaret thatcher the former british prime minister said pinochet was a hero and of course pinochet was let go from britain and from british shores diction do you think that this time around they would involve nato nation intelligence forces collaborating with what you like out tries is a authoritarian government in the making i hope this is a hope not an expectation i hope that western democratic states would use their leverage to constrain and limit tension abuses by postmodernism for that's right hope unfortunately we have a long history in the u.k. and the us and elsewhere of support for authoritarian regimes and so forth which tragically is driven by big business interests and the financial interests of large multinational corporations based in the u.k. in the united states so i hope and it's back to. back to my most hopeful cents. that british maurice you can far he's canadian authorities force a number of states will hold the line on human rights and press also not on the government to respect t

funded, so the way local councils were funded, so unpopular it led in part to the downfall of margaret thatcherhe man whose big idea universal credit was says the problem is not the system but the cuts the government has made to the benefits budget. if the money wasn't taken out, benefits budget. if the money wasn't ta ken out, there benefits budget. if the money wasn't taken out, there would be an exact parity so i make no bones about it, in the past i have been called for that money to be put back in. the government has put 2 billion of the money back in and use other changes at christmas last year... do you acknowledge some people are still... going forward i think we should direct the money back into universal credit exactly as it was originally planned to be rolled out. after reports last week the work and pensions secretary said some families would lose £2000 a year under universal credit, today she admitted some people would lose out. some people could be worse off under this benefit but 1000 people each and every day since 2010, each and every day 1000 people have gone into work. until

but i was the first prime minister to visit since margaret thatcher. is a whole world out there so let's raise our horizons to meet it. the uk has always been a nation and as conservative we believe in the free market and then collected human progress and in the last 30 years extreme policy global life expectancy has increased by 20 years. our mortality has have but the free market has and just save lives it improves them. the internet, smart phones, electric cars even flat tax furniture. [laughter] we should defend free markets because ordinary working people benefit. [applause] closed markets were not overthrown but by the ordinary people or the shipyard workers who had resistance in poland or those that took part of the revolution in czechoslovakia from the people of east berlin who tore down the wall. these were the many, not that a few. and the many have the freedom to choose and they choose freedom. [applause] i was speaking to some inspiring young people some told me they wanted to be doctors or others lawyers and then they want to become profes

chief rabbi was a great great very fond of margaret thatcher so it's not as if the only agenda these people had in attacking called the chief rabbi of making accusations of anti-semitism is a story well all i'm saying is that just a not investigate of the reasons why people might want to attack a labor leader is quite important to remember the last labor leader we had was attacked for having a father who was a jewish traitor by a tory newspaper the daily mail ed miliband who was the first jewish leader of the labor party didn't win a majority of jews to support twenty fifteen and a lot of the anti semitism cases at a local level it did turn up on his leadership on his watch so it is some would say it is unfair to put this all at corbin's door the bad relationship between the labor party and british jewish communities would you concede. i think as i said i think it's possible to mattick of a wider issue in the fact that his leadership has emboldened a section of the far left that has always held these rating rather extreme views towards british jews as being wealthy as being part of t

steidlitz says market fundamentalism goes back a long ways, but it was given a high profile by margaret thatcher and ronald reagan. he said, for a quarter century a provision of the west has been market fundamentalism. i say it was a religion because it was not based on economic science or historical evidence. it was sold by thatcher in the u.k. and by reagan in the usa. it made reference to some old ideas in economics, specifically adam smith's notion of the invisible hand, which is the argument that fimprms who pursu them would lead as a divisional a to societal well-being. he was aware of this argument, in fact, he warned about unfettered markets, but they advocated a particular form of organization, profit maximizing government firms without regulation. this issue of market fundamentalism are critical. the question is why is it so important to challenge market fundamentalism? anyone advocating in the market areas when these advocacies are put out publicly, the market fundamentalists fire back that the corporations have no control over markets, they have to subject themselves to free market d

i was the first prime minister to visit since margaret thatcher. there is a whole world out there, let's lift our horizons to meet it. [ applause ] the uk has always been an outward looking trading nation. as conservatives, we believe in the power of a well-regulated free-market, the greatest agent of collective human progress ever devised. extreme poverty has been cut in half over the last few years and life expectancy has increased by 20 years. child mortality is halved, the free market is not just to save lives, it has improved them. the internet, smart phones, cheap air travel, electric cars, flatpack furniture, we should defend free market because it's ordinary working people who benefit. [ applause ] close markets and command economies were not overthrown by powerful elites but by ordinary people. by people of all backgrounds that took part in the velvet revolution of czechoslovakia. by the people of east berlin who tore down the wall. these were the many not the few, and when the many have the freedom to choose, they choose freedom. [ applau

i was the first prime minister to visit since margaret thatcher. a whole world out there.ause] the u.k. has always been an outward looking trading nation and as conservatives we believe in the power of the well regulated free market greatest agent of collective human progress ever devised. in the last 30 years, extreme poverty has been cut in half. although life expectancy has increased by nearly 20 years. cosmetology has halved. but the free market hasn't just saved lives. it's improved them. the internet, smartphones, cheap air travel, lecture cars, even flat tax stranger. we should defend free markets because it is ordinary working people who benefit. close market -- [applause] closed markets and command economies were not overthrown, but by ordinary people. the shipyard workers who led a resistance in poland, by people of all backgrounds who took part in the revolution in czechoslovakia, by the people of east berlin who tore down that war. these were the many, not a few and when the men may have the freedom to choose, and they choose freedom. [applause] i thought last

. >> take that scene and take out president trump and put in margaret thatcher, the prime minister of in your own mind think of how she would have reacted, and what she would have done has been firm and represent the british people. she would have said these are britains values and interests, and this is what we want. the british people would have supported her for that. and i think in these moments, that's the leadership you looked for? >> how do you consider trump's leadership? >> each of us have to grade him. i don't grade it very high except when we separate good from effective, he's got a group of people that he has a connection with, and there's a feed that goes between the two that creates it. i think over time it's burning white hot like a flame. i believe we saw pierre during the french revolution had a fierce popularity and then they cut his head off. people are attracted to it and then there's no oxygen left in the room for him, so when i think when i look at that kind of leadership it has a shelf life. >> news of the day president trump is planning to send, we think, 800 m

at all brings to mind what margaret thatcher once in the -- said it describe the problem with socialism, eventually, you run out of other people's money. it shows how today's democratic party has gone further left to the fringes, further back to discredited ideas. we do not do these jobs to be fashionable, popular. believe me, nobody understands that better than i do. we do these jobs because we believe in ideas that solve problems. we do these jobs so that we can improve people's lives. we do it by thinking about the long haul. by making false promises and peddling shortcuts that are only dead ends. we do not just try to clean up messes or fix problems, we set out to build something better, so we have plans of the pillars of america with this agenda. and economy on the move again. the best military in the world. workers back on the path of life. communities back on the rise. improving people's lives. that is what it all comes down to for me. that is all wet it comes back to for me. that is what it has always been. i want to thank you for being here and i look forward to taking your que

right now we go to nile for more than, the director of the margaret thatcher foundation. in the apparent murder of jamal khashoggi if that was ordered by saudi leadership there will be severe punishment. he is not rushing to retaliate. however, how forceful do you think the president should be in demanding answers from the saudi king salman? >> i think we will see what happens so far think there's been a great deal of speculation. but we really need to see a full transparent investigation carried out. hopefully, joined by turkey and saudi arabia to establish the facts here. once the full facts have been established, i think the white house will be in a position to be able to respond effectively to what is going on. but at the moment, we do not have the full facts available. and of course, this a bit of a dilemma for the united states. saudi arabia is very important u.s. ally on the world stage. and a key ally confronting the iranian at the moment. this is important big picture with regard to the long-term consequences of this and at the same time, any murder of a journali

wereso found these leaders all different, even the people in the same field, like margaret thatcher andd were both and political systems, but they were extraordinarily different wi -- extort narrowly different. and --ian robespierre both led movements that were very violent, but they were dramatically different in style and personality. the reality is, leadership is really the product of the interaction of leaders and followers, and the contextual situations around them. and it is always unique. there is no way to predict it beforehand, so the most effective leaders are those who are empathetic, they can judge and feel the people around them, but they can constantly adapt to changing situations. wonder if there are some constants, though. when a leader says nothing publicly, does he or she have to follow through on what they say? , very mindful of what is being talked about in the united states today and around the world. the president says he will send troops down to the border of mexico, we know there is a law that says the troops cannot do anything that would be considered enforcing

it all brings to mind what margaret thatcher once said, as she described the problem with socialism. eventually, you run out of other people's money. and it just shows how today's democratic party has gone further left to the fringes, further back to discredited ideas. look, we don't do these jobs to be fashion be -- fashionable. we don't do these jobs to be popular. and believe me no one understands this better than i do. we do these jobs because we believe in ideas that solve problems. we do these jobs so we can improve people's lives. we do it by thinking about the long haul. we do it not by making false promises and peddling shortcuts that are only dead ends, we don't only try to fix messes, we build something bet sore we have planted the pillars of a confident america with this agenda. an economy on the move again. the best military in the world. workers back on the path of life. communities back on the rise. improving people's be lives. that's what it all comes down to for me. that's what it all comes back for me. that's what it has always been. i want to thank you for being he

you're not forced into a it.racted debate over margaret thatcher could be out over a weekend by party conference. i think we would do better if we had at least a lower bar towards the removal of a misbehaving president. i am not making that comment with reference to anything going on today. thank you. i believe that in 2016 and i believe it now. >> you talk about checks and balances. my question is, if politicians worry only about getting reelected and don't apply checks and balances and the constituents only see democrat and republican and only vote that way, who will hold them doing checks and balances? alison: this is where people look to institutions. this was more obvious in the original version of the constitution. in the constitution pre-1913, senators were elected either state legislatures. the idea goes to the point that they would be of the state and they will go to washington and be both ambassadors from the alsos, but they would adopt something of a national perspective i being in the senate. i think that speaks from madison and other people, the idea that there are multip

take margaret thatcher, the great prime minister of england who privatize so much of england's publicors. she went to a public, private partnership and slowly moved it out of the public side into the private sector. it's a model we could use here in the states across the board and it goes back to the competition. what is the role of government? if it's to protect our rights, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and property then it goes beyond that at that point we need to think about writing it in and reeducating people. kennedy: reign it in. >> two issues. you mentioned how do people care and they don't care because of lack of opportunity. when you have a lack of opportunity people began to give up and learned helplessness. they stop caring. new york state about 70% of us don't even vote anymore. we've given up. we don't care about anything. i want to feel better but how do you deal with texas? you can't just . kennedy: politicians just throw stuff at people and they give me your vote and i'm selling out. >> yes, but we can't just cut things either because when you cut things and