maria deva, from way you said, do you feel that you should have seen is coming? yes, i think that the ukraine has been given the nato membership in the 2008, when the ross started the war against the georgia. still now we will be discussed on possibly different issues, you know, and that will not happen. the rush of aggression. so i think that so that was a big mistake and, but we are, as we have already said, where, where we are now and that know before the invasion, actually ukraine asked, well, many times already to put severe sanctions on rational. but you know, as the countries of europe, the weight and until the russia will actually weighed. and now we have the war crime here and the humanitarian crisis on the verge of beginning. and so what i would also like to say is that like, what could stop russia and what could also make the support and make the unity of the european countries greater? is that actually now a witness? and here the war cries, actually because russia is killing civilians by, by the, by the weapons that restricted that are prohibited beca

maria deva, from way you said, do you feel that you should have seen is coming? yes, i think that the ukraine hasn't been given the nato membership in 2008 when russia started the war against georgia. and so now we will be discussing possibly different issues, and that will not happen. russia's aggression. so i think that, so that was a big mistake and, but we are, as we have already said, where we are now. and i know before the invasion, actually ukraine asked many times already to put severe sanctions on russia. but, you know, in the countries of europe, we'll wait until the rush hour will actually in wait, and now we have a war grimes here, and that the humanitarian crisis on the verge of beginning. so what i would also like to say is that, like, what could stop russia and what would also make this support and make the unity of the european countries greater? is that actually now we're a witness in here, the war crimes actually because russia is killing c. v lands by the, by the weapons that are restricted that are prohibited because it, they use a region near

with us to talk about this in the v richer, we're a researcher with human rights watch inter keep maria deva, a research director with the european expert association and from the hague. we have federico morello executive director with the center for civilians and conflict . and oh yeah, one more person at this discussion is you, if you're watching this live right now on youtube that box over there. we have a live stream producer waiting to get your comments to me so that i can get them to our audience, our panel, a guests who are with me right now. i'm going to begin with maria because you're in car, keith and car. keith has been hard hit, can you just give us an update on, on the situation and what the city there looks like right now for you? the city is under constant shell and from the worst started on the 24th of february . and the last couple of days, especially in town, so i hear the shell and not non stop day and night, but in different regions of the city. that means that russia is specifically target to residential area because there is a dentist shout area. i'm what's a 50 aged on

i like to bring in maria of deva, she lives in harkey and works at the european expert association which focuses on ukrainian relations with the you and nato. thank you so much for joining us. summary, i understand that we are speaking to you in harkey, ukraine's 2nd largest urban center in ukraine, which has been under constant bombardment. what's lifelike? yes, the harkey is still on the systematic shalon from russian troops. it mean that russia is not the able to do any seen the on the ground to so they frail with this plan to get capture or what are in sako the city. that's why russia now uses the stack of general rides and for us. so they constantly the shell and doesn't talk day and night. it goes all day long and it's a threat sealants. and that means that people which are leaving in the houses that are destroyed because of the shadows have to flee the c to the quote. so for life, just information reports to give are the number of more than 1000 building towards it destroyed in heart. and that means that one of the apartment, the organs is destroyed. they all the nearby area is no