among them was mary collins, who was abused as a young girl.lk to us. before i get you to react to what pope francis had to say in knock, earlier today, by telling us about that meeting and about the exchange that you had with pope francis, if you would. the meeting was eight survivors representing different areas where abuse had occurred in institutions and schools, etc. the meeting went on much longer than was expected. francis gave as much time as was needed. everyone was very frank and very clear to him, in what had happened to them and what had happened in the institutions that they were in or they had come to or the people that they were representing. he spoke very freely, in exchange. there were no formalities. it was very open discussion. did you feel there was any progress? for me personally that probably was that for other survivors they asked him specific things, you might say. he promised to incorporate some of the things they asked and to do and say into his mass this afternoon. some specific points they wanted to speak on or menti

i was delighted that marie collins was among them.one out of her way to build bridges with those who have suffered in the church. for our viewers, that is victim of abuse marie collins, who stood down from the vatican's commission on abuse because she was frustrated with the progress and the attitudes, yet testa m e nt to progress and the attitudes, yet testament to her that she is still here today and has been talking to the pope. extraordinary. that woman, we owe her so much from a church point of view, really. and it through my confidence when she resigned from that commission, to think that she could not actually be heard. yet there were others today who say they feel underwhelmed by what the pope has said. we have had different interpretations of how much we might have inspected him to say, but some clearly disappointed. they would have liked to have heard more from him in terms of concrete steps and actions and plans for dealing with abuse for those who cover it up. i can understand that, andi cover it up. i can understand that,

among them, two priests, and marie collins, who has spoken extensively as a campaigner for the churchnd the world. she was invited by pope francis to take part in a commission on abuse, but then stood down. talking about her frustration at the attitudes and the pace of the work that was being done. but a testament to her that she is still speaking about it, continuing to have that conversation, meeting the pope in dublin today. so as i say, we do wait to hear whether any of the people taking part in that conversation wish to make public what was said. the 81—year—old pontiff, again greeting and blessing those taking pa rt greeting and blessing those taking part in this event on the stage with him tonight. a hugely special moment for them. and we are seeing on the face of the pope, i think, and we are seeing on the face of the pope, ithink, what and we are seeing on the face of the pope, i think, what has endeared him to many people, that engaged response. he clearly enjoys meeting people. from the streets of argentina, and his work with the homeless, here to dublin, ireland... he clea

a little earlier my colleague, annita mcveigh, spoke to marie collins, a clerical abuse survivor andleague is in dublin. she was one of eight abuse survivors who met pope francis yesterday. she told us what happened. the meeting was eight survivors representing different areas where abuse had occurred in institutions and schools, etc. the meeting went on much longer than was expected. pope francis gave as much time as was needed. everyone was very frank and very clear to him, in what had happened to them and what had happened in the institutions that they were in or they belgoned to, or the people that they were representing. he spoke very freely, in exchange. there was no formalities. it was a very open discussion. did you feel there was any progress, though? for me, personally, i think there probably was, for some of the other survivors present, because they asked him specific things he might say. he promised to incorporate some of the things they asked him to do and say into his mass this afternoon. some specific points they wanted to speak on, or to mention. him in my own case, i

now one of those who are here today is mary collins. was one of the survivors of abuse who was at that meeting. one of the eight survivors who were at the meeting with the pope yesterday evening. i got to speak to her earlier. for the last couple of weeks it has been wall—to—wall, the whole issue. it is very difficult when you are a survivor. it turns up a lot of feelings. it is hard without all the pressure of the pope's visit. you had a meeting with the pope. how did that go? it was better than i expected. there were eight of us there. there was a good cross—section. there weren't many people who are outspoken, that was very good there is no secret of what was going on in the meeting. he listened. there was plenty of time given. it was supposed to be shorter, but the pope wanted to listen and so he kept extending the time making sure everyone got to say what they wanted to say. it was relaxed. there was only the interpreter, the pope and the survivors there. it was very free. there was a lot of things said, a lot of strong things said

we are told one of the people the pope met, one of the eight people be pope met, was mary collins, whocatholic institutions, it is likely someone like mary collins will speak are there perhaps about the conversation she has had with the pope. 0ne conversation she has had with the pope. one of eight people speaking to the pope for 90 minutes early this evening. we are told this meeting took place at a building which is effectively the vatican's embassy in dublin. that is the very latest we have on that. we are looking at pictures of croke park, the stadium in dublin, and normally a venue the stadium in dublin, and normally a venue for major sporting events and concerts, a concert of a different sort this evening. ahead of pope francis's arrival for the festival of families, and this world meeting of families that is happening in dublin this evening, an event organised by the catholic church every three years to celebrate and reflect on the role of the family in the catholic church. pope francis will listen to testimonies from families from ireland, candidate, iraq, africa and many count

fourteen to mouth for years it hasn't actually delivered on the mary collins on the same commission or commission and spend as the promise to prosecute bishops has not actually been implementor's them it's true says the response has been mainly verbal i'm trying. and such as last year or year in the week now where i mash when i mention it there michael go on very concrete and issues to be addressed which aside from leaving or leaving aside the issues of the two just arguments and accountability which are very very important offices. in passing on survivors there the quality of life that many survivors were enjoying doesn't stream the poor across so many issues so so essentially what you're saying is that it's own words no actions walt actions does pope francis need to take to restore the church if the catholic church's credibility on this issue. well two things he needs to acknowledge the stents and death or he views the plates. the reports are something else failure or for or for victims of abuse well or as in the one mission here we have fifteen thousand five hundred reported in the

they also include marie collins now, i very interesting person and the list because she is a campaignerng for many years for the church to do more to address its failings, and she was a member of the vatican's commission to protect children but resigned last year or what she said was her frustration over the vatican's approach. that is the detail we have been given at the moment. we wait to see whether any of those people involved in a conversation with the pope will be speaking about that experience, we were told earlier today that we would not hear about the meeting until after it had happened and that the church authorities said it was entirely up to the eight survivors whether they chose to speak publicly about the conversation. that news just emerging as the pope was about to arrive at the stadium through which he is moving now at this festival of families. 70,000 or more people gathered there to hear him this evening. he will deliver his third a speech of his first day of his visit. there this evening and also we are told he and the crowd will hear testimonies from a number of fam

one of those here today is marie collins, one of these survivors of abuse who was at the meeting withsterday evening. i got speaking to her earlier. for the last couple of weeks, it has been wall to wall, the whole issue and it is very difficult, when you are a survivor. it turns up a lot of old feelings and that is how it is without the pressure of the pope's visits popular you had a meeting with the pope, how did that go? it was better thanl pope, how did that go? it was better than i expected. there was it of us go in —— there and it was a good cross—section and most of the people who work campaigners and it was good there was no secrecy of the meeting. we listened and there was plenty of time given, it was was the shorter thenit time given, it was was the shorter then it was a busby, but the pope wanted to listen and kept extending the time so everyone got to say what they wanted to say. that was important. it was relaxed, it was an formal, there was only the interpreter, the pope and the survivors there. it was very free. and we saw there mary collins, one of the survivors of abu

everyone was pleased when he invited abuse survivors, including marie collins from ireland. survivors left because they felt the commission was not making progress. people want more progress. they want him to do a lot more. unless he does more, the whole focus of people's attention will remain on the abuse scandal. and the rest of what he is supposed to be about willjust disappear into the dust. he is not the pope for sexual abuse of children, he is the pope who is supposed to be leading the catholic church. but this is such a massive issue, i am beginning to think this is the worst crisis probably the catholic church has faced since the reformation. you are just back from ireland, by chance. what was your sense of it? i visited in the last week, where i am from, and there is huge attention and expectations for the pope to do something more than just apologise essentially. people want specifics now. i think it is fair to say it has been more negative than positive, high—profile people like the former president of ireland, mary mcaleese, herself a doctorate student in canon l

the commission was set up in 201a with one of our own survivors, mary collins.he and peter saunders, an english man and another survivor, resigned because nothing was happening. and it seems that that commission which was set up that that commission which was set up in the vatican was blocked all the time by the curia and by the vatican bureaucrats. it is a tough job. can one person change all this? but he does have that authority and if it means clearing out the vatican offices, so be it. nothing else will revive the catholic church for many ordinary catholics. earlier, you said people feel freer under this pope to say what they think. if we ta ke pope to say what they think. if we take that as a starting point and people are saying what they think, does the catholic church need to embrace the change that is being called for, the change that is happening in ireland, with gay marriage, abortion and so on, in order to survive, particularly in europe? i think you're right. under this pope, people do feel freer to speak. the conversations which are happening this w

marie collins‘ story may help explain why. she was abused by a hospital chaplain as a child.ically is the church has fallen over a cliff. its moral authority is completely destroyed. we still have quite a high percentage of catholics in ireland and i think many of them are hanging on by theirfingernails. are you glad that the church is having less of a dominant effect? the short answer is yes. i think in the past the catholic church had too much of a dominant place in irish society. i think it still has a place in irish society, but not one that determines public policy or determines our laws. judging by trade in the exhibition hall, the catholic church is pinning its hopes on the popularity of pope francis. this is the best one. he remains the star attraction. but unless it can convince the world that it has changed, then the future of the roman catholic church in ireland will continue to be overshadowed by its past. martin bashir, bbc news, dublin. our top story this evening: scotland's former first minister, alex salmond, has hit back at the scottish government after being

school to have you back at the big table i want to share with our viewers a tweet posted today by marie collins as she was a member of the vatican's commission to protect minors she resigned last year in protest for a lack of progress and she tweeted this statements from the vatican of the pope should stop telling us how terrible abuse is and how almost be held accountable tell us instead what you are going and what are you doing to hold them accountable . that is what we want to hear working on it is not an acceptable explanation for decades of delay. well that is exactly what was not in that letter perfectly understandable indeed that was not in the letter i mean it's been sixteen years since of hers so it was uncovered in two thousand and two so early in the working on it for a very very long time and in the decade that elapsed there were corps cases of abuse itself so at this stage i mean i think that the vatican really has no more maneuvering space i mean there is really a question which is now pretty much widespread and we're hearing it a sour it's a lapse in this letter sort of his makin

marie collins‘ story may help explain why. she was abused by a hospital chaplain as a child.ty is completely destroyed. we still have quite a high percentage of catholics in ireland, and i think many of them are hanging on by theirfingernails. are you glad that the church is having less of a dominant effect? the short answer is yes. i think in the past the catholic church had too much of a dominant place in irish society. i think it still has a place in irish society, but not one that determines public policy or determines our laws. judging by trade in the exhibition hall, the catholic church is pinning its hopes on the popularity of pope francis. this is the best one. he remains the star attraction. but unless it can convince the world that it has changed, then the future of the roman catholic church in ireland will continue to be overshadowed by its past. martin bashir, bbc news, dublin. it‘s being descibed as one of the biggest events in the history of the internet — despite the fact the names ksi and logan paul probably mean little to some people. the two youtube stars ar

marie collins‘ story may help explain why. she was abused by a hospital chaplain as a child. a cliff. its moral authority is completely destroyed. we still have quite a high percentage of catholics in ireland and i think many of them are hanging on by theirfingernails. are you glad that the church is having less of a dominant effect? the short answer is yes. i think in the past the catholic church had too much of a dominant place in irish society. i think it still has a place in irish society, but not one that determines public policy or determines our laws. judging by trade in the exhibition hall, the catholic church is pinning its hopes on the popularity of pope francis. this is the best one. he remains the star attraction. but unless it can convince the world that it has changed, then the future of the roman catholic church in ireland will continue to be overshadowed by its past. martin bashir, bbc news, dublin. stay with us on bbc world news, still to come. two of the biggest youtube stars take their rivalry to the boxing ring — to create one of the most—hyped events in t

marie collins, one of the survivors of abuse who the pope talked to yesterday in dublin.a danger here for the pope, isn't there, for the hierarchy of the catholic church if it doesn't follow up catholic church if it doesn't follow up with actions? and in a way, ireland not the only country affected by this abuse, but has become very much a focus for the demands for change and justice. if the pope doesn't follow up now with actions, there is a danger that, you know, a lot of people could... lose their faith know, a lot of people could... lose theirfaith in the know, a lot of people could... lose their faith in the church, perhaps not their faith their faith in the church, perhaps not theirfaith in their faith in the church, perhaps not their faith in god their faith in the church, perhaps not theirfaith in god but their faith in the church, perhaps not their faith in god but their faith in charge. two things need to happen, one, that there is absolutely need to follow up on the pa rt absolutely need to follow up on the part of the church. but also on the pa rt part of the

culture is something that is so incredibly difficult to change, but even when you think about marie collinsa nts to collins, and abuse survivor who wants to do the right thing in the catholic church, she has come up against cultural resistance to one of the simplest thing she would imagine the church wants to change, child sexual abuse. how can you imagine them moving on something when it comes to ordination of women. i had talked recently with a local parish priest, and he described the relationship with women as one of hatred and fear, that dark and deep and disdainful and misogynistic. 0ne isn't too optimistic about that. and the inclusion of lgb key people, we heard again from leo varadkar in the run—up to the arrival of the pope, how he rejected how uncomfortable he is with the way the church describes lgb key people, and we might have had talks from priests who are considered to liberal in the run—up to this event. ——. clearly the church has a lot of work to do. what has pope francis said. the treatment of lg bt people has pope francis said. the treatment of lgbt people as outcasts in

marie collins‘ story may help explain why. she was abused by a hospital chaplain as a child.urch has fallen over a cliff. its moral authority is completely destroyed. we still have quite a high percentage of catholics in ireland, and i think many of them are hanging on by theirfingernails. are you glad that the church is having less of a dominant effect? the short answer is yes. i think in the past the catholic church had too much of a dominant place in irish society. i think it still has a place in irish society, but not one that determines public policy or determines our laws. judging by trade in the exhibition hall, the catholic church is pinning its hopes on the popularity of pope francis. this is the best one. he remains the star attraction. but unless it can convince the world that it has changed, then the future of the roman catholic church in ireland will continue to be overshadowed by its past. martin bashir, bbc news, dublin. the united nations says that 22 children and four women have been killed by a saudi—led coalition air strike in yemen. they were fleeing fight

. >> reporter: mary collins has become a powerful voice for reforming the church culture. last year, she walked away from the vatican panel advising pope francis because nothing changed. she wasn't satisfied with his recent written apology. >> we have the pope the other day with a strong letter. a lot of it is good. he still says we're working on finding a way to hold people accountable. we're decades on. you can't still be working on it. >> reporter: darren wanted to show us another painful location. in phoenix park, where pope francis will say mass, he takes us to a dark gully. >> he lay me down on the mattress. >> reporter: another place he was raped by a priest he once trust trusted. >> i didn't even get a sorry. he didn't say sorry. >> reporter: darren and other victims say apologies are important, but from the pope, they want firm policies to ensure no one suffers like this again. the victims' demands are reasonable. suspected reporting of abuse and zero tolerance across the catholic church. anything else they say will be viewed as a failure by the pope to fix this.

. >> reporter: after decades of recovering, mary collins has become a powerful voice.ked away from a vatican panel advising pope francis because nothing changed. she wasn't satisfied with his recent written apology. >> we wrote the pope a strong letter, a lot is good. unfortunately, he says we are working on a way to whoel hold people accountable. we're decades on, you can't still be working on it. >> reporter: darren mcgavin wanted to show us another painful locate, in phoenix park, where pope francis will say mass. >> he laid me down in the gully. >> reporter: another place he was raped by the priest that he once trusted. >> he didn't even say sorry. >> reporter: darren and other victims say apologies are important. but from the pope, they also want firm policies to ensure no one suffers like this again. phil black, cnn, dublin there again, pope francis is in ireland this hour. we will continue to follow the story, of course, thank you for being with us for this hour from cnn "newsroom." for our viewers in the united states, "new day" is next. for viewers among the w

what he said to marie collins, who was on his papal commission, who is a survivor what he said to her when he met with her and i think repeated on the plane is there's not going to be any tribunal. there's not going to be any tribunal. so none of these bishops and cardinals are going to be held accountable for what they've done for covering up child section crisex crimes. like cardinal wuerl. it's been proven in the grand jury report in pittsburgh that he's covered up child sex crimes. before the pennsylvania grand jury report came out, he was on national television in the united states and he was saying he didn't transfer in the abusive price. that's the problem. is how credible is this group? they're not credible at all. this, the management team that you want to have after what they've shown and what they're doing and it's around the world? this is a global problem. it emanates from the vatican. guess what, pope francis is part of the vatican. these cardinals voted for him. they voted for him by majority vote. so that's the problem. how do you get at this system -- and there are th

because this guy is applying a harassment campaign under the idea of this free speech guise. >> bud collins, mary you very much. sad. >>> coming up, how a bitter partisan fight in minnesota is keeping state officials from using millions of dollars already set aside for election security. this is a real story. keep in mind, this is a state that was targeted by russian hackers in 2016. minnesota's secretary of state, who says he raised the alarm on this issue early, joins me next. you're watching msnbc. ♪i believe, i really do believe that♪ ♪something's got a hold on me, yeah♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪oh, something's got a hold on me right now, child♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪let me tell you now, oh it must be love♪ about the colonial penn program. here to tell you if you're age 50 to 85 and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three p's. what are the three p's? the three p's of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 65 and take medications. what's my price? you can

you know mary alice said that she was inspired by an american football quarterback collin kaepernick whom knelt during the national anthem before a game in two thousand and sixteen he said it was against racial inequality and police brutality his silent protest soon spread among other athletes that provoked a fiery political debate which reached all the way to the white house would you love to see one of these n.f.l. owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a up the field right now out of the sky that was not against our anthem or our flag that was actually kneeling is a reference position while responding to the girl's action the american civil liberties union urged to all maryland schools to guarantee students freedom of speech without punishment meanwhile the girl's school has issued a statement saying it is not aware of any students being disciplined for such behavior who put the issue up for debate with former missouri state senator john loudon and richard goodstein former adviser to the hillary clinton presidential campaign. football is about football sc

collins: thank you all for coming today. before i get started, most of you here know my wife of over 30 years, mary. thanks for being here. national press may not know her as well as our local press does. over the years, i have often talked about the american dream. i am extremely fortunate in that i have lived it. it started for me when i borrowed and started scraping together every dollar i could buy the westinghouse gear division in buffalo. i moved it to niagara falls under a new name. i am proud that we put hundreds of people to work, who are still working there today. after selling that company in 1997, i ran for congress in 1998, up in the niagara falls area, knowing that my business experience would benefit the citizens of new york, and offer a new perspective in congress. after being humbled in that race, i spent the next 10 years as an entrepreneur, investing in and helping to stabilize dozens of bankrupt and financially distressed companies, saving and creating hundreds of jobs here in western new york. in 2007, i was recruited to run for erie county executive, to turn around the affective bankrupt county. i wa

collins. >> most of you know my wife mary. i have talked about the american dream. me when i borrowed and started scraping together every dollar i could to buy the westing house gear division here in buffalo and move it to niagara falls under a new name. i am proud we put hundreds of people to work who are still working there today. after selling it in 1997, i ran for congress in 1998 up in the niagara falls area. knowing that my business experience would benefit the citizens of new york and offer a new perspective in congress. after being humbled in that race, i spent the next ten years as an entrepreneur investing in and helping to stabilize dozens of bankrupt and financially distressed companies saving and creating hundreds of jobs hear in western new york. in 2007, i was recruited to run for erie county. i was elected. turned around the county finances in 18 short months. all the while honoring my campaign pledge to work for $1 a month. one of the many companies i invested in is a drug company. ultimately that focus shifted to a treatment for secondary progressi

sandra: susan tol collins, a pivotal republican said you shouldn't fire him. marie: he's not serving has president trump's personal attorney general. the politics will be an issue here. i do not think the senate as closely divided as it is can replace him. he was a senator and he has a lot of friends up there. the president had probably the toughest week in the press as president. he's lashing out at everyone including jeff sessions because the situation is dire. there are three ongoing investigation, people are getting immunity every day. sandra: not every day. marie: every day this week. sandra: the white house is saying it has nothing to do with the president and there is no implication he did anything wrong in all that. sections is firing back which is interesting because we haven't seen him firing back in such a public way. he said he'll not let the department be influenced by political considerations. gillian: a lot of people were shocked to see that tweet when it came out thursday. i disagree with marie slightly. whether sessions is fired or departs after the

marie green. >>> well, a republican congressman from new york says he'll stay on the ballot this november despite being arrested for alleged security fraud. christopher collins from buffalo was arrested yesterday on charges he fed insider information to his son. christopher collins was released on bail and he says he's innocent. >> the charges that have been levied against me are meritless, and i will mount a vigorous defense in court to clear my name. i look forward to being fully vindicated and exonerated. >> well, prosecutors say collins alerted his son to information about a failed drug trial. tony dokoupil has video of what appears to be the phone call that allegedly clued in his son. >> reporter: in this video from last year's white house congressional picnic, you can see representative chris collins there in a white polo shirt talking on his cellphone instead of enjoying the festivities. the footage uncovered by cbs news appears to show the moment the fbi says the three-term congressman passed along information about a multi-billion-dollar biotech company that led to almost $750,000 of insider training. >> congressman collins had a legal duty to keep

mary. >> there's some funny business going on too. look at the indictments you had a representative in new york, collins and duncan hunter in californiaere indicted less than three months before the election which is completely inappropriate, very hard for republicans now to put another name on the ballot and both of those areas, so it can be a dirty business maria. unfortunately an awful lot at stake in this election. maria: there really is great to see everybody ed rollins mary kissel greg jarrett, great to have you that'll do it for us thanks so much for joining us i'm maria bartiromo i'm see you on mornings with maria 6:00-9:00 a.m. eastern on the fox business network weekdays join us media mediabuzz with howie kurtz is up next and we continue looking at, the life and legacy of senator john mccain. skills like teamwo, attention to detail, and customer service are critical to business success. like the ones we teach here, every day. and customer service are critical to business success. booking a flight doesn't have to be expensive. just go to priceline. it's the best place to book a flight a few days before my trip and still save

mary. >> there's some funny business going on too. look at the indictments you had a representative in new york, collins and duncan hunter in california than three months before the election which is completely inappropriate, very hard for republicans now to put another name on the ballot and both of those areas, so it can be a dirty business maria. unfortunately an awful lot at stake in this election. maria: there really is great to see everybody ed rollins mary kissel greg jarrett, great to have you that'll do it for us thanks so much for joining us i'm maria bartiromo i'm see you on mornings with maria 6:00-9:00 a.m. eastern on the fox business network weekdays join us media mediabuzz with howie kurtz is up next and we continue looking a how do you win at business? stay at laquinta. where we're changing with contemporary make-overs. then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab. who has the upper hand now? start winning today. book now at lq.com. alicewhich is breast canceratic that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with an aromatase inhibitor, which is