i'm joined by mark geragos and then neal who is a general counsel for the st. louis police officer's association, marc lamont hill. it is very loud behind me and it's quite frankly a celebration mode here right now for some people. so just so you now, that's what you're hearing. marc lamont hill to you first, the release of this officer's name, the same time the surveillance tape is released allegedly showing a robbery by michael brown, you say it is convenient timing. what do you mean by that? >> we've been asking for the name to be released for a week now, six days. we want to know who this officer is. they have protected it, covered it up. when they released it, they released this videotape, which it seems to me is trying to divert our attention away from this officer. we should be talking about someone who may or may not have stolen cigars a few hours prior.

at least we have something today that we didn't have yesterday. >> mark geragos? >> my reaction is why is the police narrative evolving, so to speak? that's a charitable word evolving. >> mark ocho m'maro'mara. >> the dynamic will be found out, what will come in both sides of it but it will pail in comparison what happened in the 15 to 20 seconds and forensics will rule the day as to what shows up. >> areeva, some experts suggested even if the police officer who did the shooting and killed michael brown, even if he didn't know about it, michael brown knew that he had been involved in something at that convenience store and maybe he assumed when he was stopped by the police officer he was about to be arrested and that could have triggered his behavior, if in fact, with the police officer probably will say is that he resisted arrest, went after his gun, that could be relevant, rig rig right? >> could be relevant but this young man was shot 35 feet away from the car and eyewitnesss said he threw his hands up and said i'm unarmed and plead with the this police officer

we'll have more with sunny and ma mark geragos and mark o'mara. and there have been demonstrators in ferguson who support darren wilson, the officer who shot michael brown, and the online fund-raising for him has raised more money than the michael brown fund. a closer look at wilson's supporters, next. fact. every time you take advil liqui gels you're taking the pain reliever that works faster on tough pain than extra strength tylenol. and not only faster. stronger too. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil every time you take advil you're taking the medicine doctors recommend most for joint pain. more than the medicine in aleve or tylenol. the medicine in advil is the number one doctor recommendation for joint pain. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil ♪ ♪ start a team. join a team. walk to end alzheimer's. visit alz.org/walk today. that's keeping you from the healthcare you deserve.. at humana, we believe the gap will close when healthcare changes. when frustration and paperwork decrease. when healthcare becomes simpler. so le

>> this mark would say that the forensics -- >> i'm sorry, i met mark geragos. st realized i have two marks on the screen. go ahead, mark geragos. >> look, this case is only tough because it's what generally happens when you have a police shooting. you know, what you didn't mention is they're not releasing the name of the police officer. i don't technically think that's fair. i don't think this idea that somehow they're going to expose him to threats on social media carries much water. this generally what happens, when the police investigate, the police rally around their own officer, and that's what happens. one of the reasons that this person, the witness that you just showed, hasn't been interviewed yet is, my guess, the police don't like what he's saying. he's already out there in the media. and the department of justice unfortunately is generally the last on the scene in these kinds of things -- >> let me jump in -- >> -- the police department who rallied around -- >> just for a moment, the two marks, i absolutely want to get mark o'meara's response to that.

joining us now are our legal team, former federal prosecutor, sunny hostin, mark geragos, and mark o'mara. sunny, do you think this is a significant piece? >> no question about it. if that pause, and three seconds is a significant amount of time when you're talking about a shooting, because they do happen very, very quickly. and i think if it corroborates all of the witnesses who are explaining, and i think we've seen them explain, that there was a pause, and that michael brown, during that time, turned around with his hands up, that, i think, is a game changer in a case like this. >> although we should also point out, there is another witness, who i interviewed, who said he didn't see the hands going up. he saw, actually, hands more around his waste. again, conflicting accounts. mark o'mara, what do you think about this recording? >> first of all, i'm frustrated that yet another tidbit of information is coming out. for this reason, not only does it allow speculation, but it now is going to have an opportunity to infect witnesses testimony, because it's natural for witnesses to drag in fa

so let me bring in cnn legal analyst, mel robbins and mark geragos. mark, are you surprised about the gender and racial makeup of the grand jury, supposed to be super secret, that's out? >> no, all they have to do is sit outside the grand jury and reporters do that with this kind of attention. >> reporters, okay. >> exactly. they'll figure it out. what i think is very enlightening about this, because this case, like all cases in the criminal justice system, are going to be determined by race. this does not bode well for an indictment. so -- >> because the majority -- nine white people, three african-americans. >> i think this is going to break along racial lines as it almost always does. >> mel robbins, do you agree with mr. geragos here? >> not really. i was a former public defender in manhattan. and i found some of my toughest jurors, frankly, in the crimes where i was defending people were african-american women. so i don't know that you can just make a blanket statement that in a grand jury, that it's going to go by race lines. it's a very low burd

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joining us now, the legal team, former federal prosecutor sunny hostin and mark geragos. mr.zimmerman. what do you make of the fact the police chief in ferguson says he still doesn't have a clear idea of what happened? >> i think they relinquished the investigation to the st. louis county homicide unit. in all fairness, he shouldn't know what is really going on. i think that's smart on the part of the ferguson police department because i think it's very difficult and there is always this feeling things are not being done appropriately when you have officers investigating their own. so perhaps, wolf, that is why he really doesn't know much about what is going on. i suspect, though, from what you can gleam from what he's saying is that the homicide unit is investigating, that the prosecutors office is also looking at it, waiting for the investigators to give them what they have, and i think this is sort of following the path that these cases generally do follow. it's only been four days, and i know people are saying that's a really long time, but it is young in an investigation

joining me now, mark o'meara, mark geragos, joey jackson and jean casarez here live on the set with me. mark geragos, first to you, what don lemon reported, these according to the community are separate incidents, the incident reports released, and then ultimately the confrontation and shooting of mike brown, separate, shouldn't be considered part of the same thing, and yet how can they not be? you read through the report. >> they're clearly related. i do agree with the community who thinks it looks fishy. because they purposely released the officer's name the same day they released this stuff. they're hoping from a public relations standpoint that you're going to trump that by doing a little character assassination first. >> is that deflection or context? >> that's deflection. >> releasing those two things together. >> they waited. they had this, as you know, they had the tape as early as the following day and claimed they couldn't open it because their computer system didn't work. so part of the keystone cops nature of this whole investigation. >> i'd like you to weigh in. >> sure, a

let's bring in mark geragos and arriva martin. rk, let me start with you, the autopsy results, what do you make of them? >> well, i think that it creates a lot of problems for the officer. six shots is a lot of shots, when somebody is unarmed. i think the fact that at least preliminarily you don't know how close the shots were, because they don't have the cloths. and the clothes are going to do more for you than the gunshot residue, they're also going to be able, they can look at the fibers and determine whether -- which are the entry wounds, which are the exit wounds on the fibers of the clothing, so they'll know whether or not he was shot from behind or shot in front. the problem -- the real problem is, the takeaway from this is, six shots for somebody is almost prima facia evidence. >> do you agree with that? we have seen lawyers justifying each and every shot or blow to an alleged victim. >> we saw how the second rodney king trial played itself out. i agree with mark, the issue here is, was the officer in reasonable fear of imm

. >> joining us now, cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney mark geragos and general counselr's association. you think there are important reasons not to release the police officer's name at this point. i know you think that, what are those reasons? >> i do, wolf. there are several. let's start with officer safety. first and foremost, you have to make sure this officer is safe. that's the bottom line. that's true for everybody, and that's a blanket rule. the second part of this is that this piece of information like any other piece of information should be kept until the investigation is done. that's to protect the integrity of the investigation itself. in terms of the name and in terms of the disclosure of the name, you've seen and i know you're aware of the fact, there is a great deal of information that's been hacked. a lot of social media information out there. there are all sorts of things floated out there, but the moment you put a police officer's name out there, that police officer becomes a target, and that is the primary reason why you would simply never release the

i want to bring in the legal panel because there is a lot to discuss, jeffrey toobin, mark geragos and martin. the bar is very high for civil rights case to be brought. isn't that correct? >> absolutely, anderson. the attorney general made it clear that he's looking at whether there was some kind of civil rights violation, a totally different standered based on civil rights violations versus what the state prosecutor is doing is looking to see if some kind of murder or manslaughter charges be brought. i can't stress enough similar to what antonio french said, the presence of the attorney general for this community is so big, the sense that someone outside of the community who is objective and not bias is going to be looking at what the state prosecutor does. i think it's more important than the symbolism. >> jeff, i'm curious of your thoughts. you hear the trust in the attorney general here from this community and the appreciation of him being here but it's the easier case really to put together is perhaps if any case can be put together is an excessive use of force case by the st. lou

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joining us to discuss is sunny hostin, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor as well as mark geragos. normally sunny is here and sunny is away. today mark is here and sunny is away. mark first you. the name of the officer is going to be released. what does this change? >> i don't know what it actually changes. what is so outrageous is they haven't released it. >> is there any reason -- >> there's no reason. this idea -- >> we asked him this morning. >> they tell you officer safety. >> day by day decision. i wanted to know what is the difference today than it was yesterday. >> well what i want to know is what is the difference between a civilian and law enforcement? if you are somebody who is under suspicion for a crime, they'll go out there, they'll tell the media this person is a person of interest. if the public has any information, please let us know. cnn has a show "the hunt" john walsh has made a career out of that, yet somehow this officer is verboten, you can't get his name out there, and i think it actually gives people an impetus to protest and think that there's something,

let's bring in sunny hostin, cnn analyst and former prosecutor and mark geragos defense attorney andjohnson. >> the cop supposedly had a broken eye socket. >> that's second. you leave this, when you sit in this chair, you start the segment. we can change seats. >> you want to do it? >> i just want to know one thing, how many times -- i love it when the cops always say i have an injury, i'm injured off duty, it's always that same b.s. that they've got. this is -- >> he had a swollen face. >> in 90% of thehe cases. >> first it was a socket injury, now we're hearing maybe just a swollen face, maybe he was treated the at the hospital, maybe not. i don't know that we can put too much stock in that. >> you can't because that's usually, they concoct that, the cops always concoct that and that's the reason they get a -- >> i don't know they always concoct that. >> for this argument, for the matter of argument here, if he had, if it was, i don't know how you describe, definition of -- >> fracture. >> swollen or the definition of serious injury is but if he had a swollen face, is that importan