mark penn joins us now with press secretary sean spicer.ark i didn't expect you to be on the program. i'm not going to lie. we have been opposing each other for many years. we have never had this happen to an american president ever. it's never been this bad. we got pfizer lies. we have a deep state, spies in a campaign. this is bad for the country. explain what you meant. >> that's right. i spent a year fighting ken starr when i thought that was wrong. a lot of people on fox news were gung ho in that. i saw how destructive it was to the presidency, the people around him and it resulted in nothing. i'm a skeptical person. at first it seemed like a good process. it made sense. more and more questions came to the fore. how did this get started? what techniques were used? what was behind the warrant? people are raiding people and shaming them and threatening relatives. this seem like a charge chamber series of events. this is opening awp afte up aftr and testimony of the intelligence chiefs, they never said they were using this kind of intelli

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former clinton poster, advisor mark penn, causing quite a stir. among democrats, he wrote an article, very important, he wrote it in "the hill," "stopping robert mueller to protect us all. in this article, "stopping mueller is not about one president or one party, it's about all presidents and all parties, it's about cleaning oud and reforming the deep state so our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the affirmative evidence." a very honest comment and commentary causing crazy liberal joe over at msnbc conspiracy tv to a full on meltdown on live television. watch this. >> let's be blunt about it. what exactly is mark penn selling? here's a guy who lost hillary clinton's campaign. does he have a fox news contract? is he writing for conservative websites? i want toat know, as you know, d washington, d.c., often when people do strange things like this, creatures of the swamp, they are doing it for awa reaso. >> sean: mark penn joins is now along w with former white house press secretary sean spicer. mark, i didn'

even clinton aide and advisor mark penn, who smirked with the clintons for 20 years, is calling out the scandal for what it is. this is a game changing moment and heg has worked for the clinton's forever and served as hillary's chief strategist for her campaign in 2008. he is now calling this witch hunt for what it is. literally writing an op-ed in "the hill," stopping robert mueller to protect us all. stunning headline. he goes on to explain how the facts are now undeniable. mueller and is on a crusade to get the president of the united states, duly elected president, he uses the term deep state, that it's real, that the rigged the content investigation and been targeted donald trump and his campaign, when he was president-elect, and now president. he explained more on this on my story with martha maccallum earlier tonight. take a look. >> i think the inspector general's report is coming out, i think nunes is finding out what were the origins of the investigation, and there doesn't seem to be a real concrete intelligence origin for this investigation without a foundation, one wonders,

even clinton aide, mark penn, worked for the clintons for 20 years is calling out this scandal for what it is. this is a game-changing moment and penn has worked for hillary's chief strategist for her campaign in 2008. how is now calling this witch hunt for what it is and writing an op-ed in the hill, stopping robert mueller to protect us all. stunning headline. penn goes on to explain how the facts are now undeniable. mueller is on a crusade to get the president of the united states to overturn a duly elected president. he uses the term "deep state "that it's real that the fbi rigged the investigation. and penn explained more on this on "the story" with martha maccallum earlier tonight. >> i think the inspector general's report is coming out. i think nunes is finding out like what are the origins of the investigation and there doesn't seem to be a real concrete intelligence origin for this investigation. without a foundation one wondering what did we spent an entire year on, what did we disrupt everyone in the campaign, in the administration. >> sean: and ted olsen is out with a new pi

plus advisor for it the clintons, managing partner mark penn. former special assistant, former press secretary to vice presidents and mark potter is here. the "saturday night live" alum joe piscopo makes an appearance. you don't want to miss a moment. stay with us for the big show. futures are extending gains after april's job report showed that 164,000 jobs were added to the economy last month with the unemployment rate taking out the 3.9%. can wage growth continue at these levels? coming in weaker than expected to .6% year-over-year. his brain's prediction on friday following the jobs report? >> the wage number here is totally unimpressive. to .6, less than expected, nowhere near the level with people getting money in their pockets. markets going to like it, but not a great report from the help of labor markets. though, the little today. i think you'll see a little bit of reversal. maria: and that is what we saw. close to 300 plus points. really the wage number influenced you. the mac i hate being right about bad news moving markets higher by t

we are joined by mark penn. didn't think this article was going to take off, but low and behold, he's mad at you, avenatti. >> it's going to be interesting. it hit a chord. people have been seeing him appear everywhere, never challenged on who is paying for it, how is it being paid, where did he get the bank record, ishe it legal or illegal? is he a lawyer or political operative. no lawyer goes on 108 appearances, that's not serving his client, that's something else. >> laura: too bad mark penn didn't do research. had he bothered to review google or this feed, he would know exactly who is paying me, we did nothing wrong. raid the release of the financial info. enough for effect. >> look, he first surfaces on march 7.e he surfaced with a lawsuit, which means he arranged to represent her sometime earlier. he asked questions about being paid. it's not until march 13 he shows up with this internet being. where is the accounting of the money. who originally paid for him? what operation gathered these kind of document

. >> tucker: mark penn for many years was one of the highest advisors of hillary clinton. mark, thank you for coming on. >> mark: thank you. >> tucker: you wrote an o amazing piece the other day and the hill, titled something like, questions i have for robert mueller. tell us some of the questions that you have. >> mark: remember i spent a year working for president clinton against ken starr and that. compared to what's going on here. i found mueller has some questions about what the president was thinking when he fired have questions about what he was comey, but i certainly thinking when he first went to apply for the fbi job in the first place with rosenstein, and then turns around the next day. when he put that team together, and there wasn't a single trump owner, what was he thinking then? when he looked at these dossiers and discovered there was noy foundation there, how did he deal with that, and how does he justify these kinds of really stormtrooper tactics, which is perhaps not an exaggeration when you go guns drawn to political consultants, wiretaps all over and pa

too bad mark penn didn't do any research.le or this seed, he would know who is paying him, we did nothing, raid of the financial info, true in bosta. >> he surfaces on march 7, which means he surfaced with a lawsuit, he arranged to represent her sometime earlier. he was asked questions about being paid. it's not until march 15 he shows up with this internet gig. he raised $470,000. who originally paid for him. who paid and what operation gathered these kind of documents. >> laura: the banking records of michael cohn. it is criminal to release those records. they are obviously, any of us have those records, how he got them, we do not know, he hasn't revealed that. he's very loquacious, but he hasn't revealed that. the inspector is anxious to know and the treasury department. it's odd because you would think that stormy's first lawyer advised her not to break her confidentiality agreement, he says break "t" break the deal and then sue that the deal is improper. the first lawyer is no. i wouldn't advice a client to break a deal.

here is mark penn, former advisor and pollster to president bill clinton and former chief strategy officersoft. mark, great to see you. you have written about all this. do you think it's a waste of time for democrats focus on this? might it not turn off voters in the fall? >> look i went through 1998 the last thing i think country should go through a 1998 in reverse. david: they say that history doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes. there is a little rhyming going on, isn't there? >> there is. and i think, look, perfectly fair questions to ask although we know the prosecutors already looked at it or are looking at it, truthfully, michael cohen, avenatti. trump has been going up. we know if you talk substance versus stuff like this, substance wins out. so it's a lot better for democrats i think to get out of this and back to the stub stance when there are some big issues on the table. david: but just stay with us for a minute. there is also the question of hypocrisy. after all it was democratic committee and hillary campaign in committee that laundered money through a law firm in order to pa

mark: we turn to mark penn, a democrat adviser to bill clinton at the time in the hill. he says the questions of the special counsel suggest considering to standing up to such an investigation through a constitutional means will be met with possible charges by a team that is thought nothing of leading intentionally public raids, bringing charges on unrelated crimes, threatening family members of defendants to secure pleas. i might add lawyers of defendants and press people of defendants, and ignoring congressional subpoenas about its own process. in other words, he's agreeing with you guys. he's saying this guy has evil intent, and that is what he's up to. >> just think of this, mark. remember the mortgage scandal we went through that almost brought down the stock market. the crash? not one white shoe law firm was raided during that entire scandal. they raided mr. cohen's office for one reason and one reason only, it was a small firm, no big deal, and it was an interrorum use of the grand jury and the process. what happens to mr. cohen. whatever anybody may need -- mark:

wanting to participate in the national campaign or administration again, joining me right now, is mark pennewater independent prosecutor, robert wray great to see you. thank you so much for joining us. >> a mark quite op-ed really calling pretty at accurately with on what did he do was reaction tell us more. >> well, i think the reactions has been overwhelming i think it struck a chord when i said deep state about to get a reckoning going to get the inspector jenner report they have been vigilant saying getting to investigation. >> it is overwhelming were those went through independent council process hadlived ruins can't have process in america that ruins people wanting to participate in political campaignings or administrations as part of never ending investigations it is joong in your on wednesd. maria: in your op-ed you talk about a conversation with papadopoulos you asked how did fbi know they should talk to him in the first place? that is left out of the narrative robert devin nunes has been with me many times on this program and sunday morning program says there was no official intel

what exactly is mark penn selling?a guy who lost hillary clinton's campaign by telling her she didn't have to plan 2008 for any contests after super tuesday. he left that campaign, responsible for her loss to barack obama. what is mark penn selling coming to the defense of donald trump? >> i think he's selling his argument, which he would argue is the same he had for clinton in the '90s, that the whole idea of special counsels is crazy, they have a wide license to investigate whatever they want to investigate. but clearly, he was not well liked by democrats, if you look at twitter, he's getting trashed by democrats now obviously for coming to the defense of trump. but to your point -- >> does he have a fox, does he have a fox news contract? is he writing for conservative websites? i want to know as you know in washington, d.c., often when people do strange things like this, creatures of the swamp, they're doing it for a reason. is he, has he got a fox news contract? >> he wrote for "the hill" the initial column was in

the author of microtrends squared is a democratic strategist, mark penn.o. thank you for coming in. i want to start by asking you about something that you have written regarding the robert mueller investigation. you have said that his conduct raises questions about conflict and methods and fairness. conflicts of interests. well, i spent about one year working with president clinton fighting the la st with president clinton fighting the last council. i do not feel that these things are particularly good for the country unless there is a real strong narrative. in this case, there are so many questions about robert mueller, the team he puts together, the conflicts, who was friends with whom. the fact that they are all democratic contributors. how they went about threatening people and their relatives, threatening to put them into jail, holding them on unrelated charges, the list of things that frankly the bill of rights was written to prevent. i think there are many questions for robert mueller, as many as there are currently four donald trump. there are curr

please give mark penn a warm welcome. [applause] >> all this preparation and i don't have the clicker. thank you very much for coming out tonight. the book is dedicated to nancy and my four children. and the collaborator is also here. i will give you a roundup of micro trends. so i have a theory of the case of micro trends which is that to think about the things that have beenav happening and that those daca recipients are creating a political movement the last election decided by 8000000 voters and critical states. so the point of the book is that the things that you regard as too small or insignificant to be pivotal of how things, and society or even some small groups can wield some influence. so i tell people the most interesting thing is to find yourself and if you find yourself that gives credibility to the chapters of the other peopleha because a lot of people is that people know about themselves and the book tries to cover in the counterintuitive way but before you get to the micro trends there are certain things i

joining me now is former clinton advisor, mark penn. i'm by no means suggests hillary clinton is responsible for weinstein. but she's benefited from the campaign contributions, palling around with him over the years. is there a reckoning for some of the democratic luminaries who may have looked the other way for a long time? >> we've learned conservatives can be loud and progressives can be loud. i don't think there's going to be a big reckoning in the democratic party. i think some people want to give back with contributions to groups that help women. and i think you'll see that happen. >> i mentioned cynthia nixon, the access. she's running here in new york for governor. i remember covering hillary clinton in 2016. listen. >> just remember, there's a special place in hell for women who don't help each other. [cheers & applause] >>isn't this what people hate about politicpolitics. they say, women have to support women no matter what. >> well, of course, hillary clinton didn't say that. and he's a distinguished public servant. he was in

plus longtime clinton aide mark penn joins me live, integrating the left by calling us legal to the molar probe but what does he think of hillary's latest talk that the former secretary of state once a new job, could she be the next ceo of baseball? let's start with two major news. 24 hours ago immigrants claim the pres. had gone soft on the north korean dictator and blue the best shot of peace in the process except tonight the opposite is happening. kim jong un appears to be on been did the image june 12th some it may be back on, breaking news on the scandal the pres. dumped spinegate with new details from closed-door intel briefings and comments from the director of national intel that may be helpful to the pres. team coverage tonight, kristin fisher has the latest on the investigation into the fbi investigators. richardson live with major developments on north korea. >> the plan for a summit between donald trump and kim jong un is back on hours after donald trump threatened to walk away from the summit, the north korean government reversed its aggressive tone and reengaged with governm

mark penn is one that's been making that argument.n addition to the issue they are accountable to no one, i think it must mean the information is really damaging, really dangerous, but they're willing to subvert any authority in order to keep that a secret. so this is something i think they think they can keep this from getting out. i don't think they will actually do that. >> tucker: the pretext they used to hide this information from public view are dishonest. tonight, a reporter in w washington has a piece explaining that one of the many facts redacted by the f.b.i. in documents obtained through foia reveals andy mccabe spent $70,000 on a piece of office furniture. they held that back onof grounds of national security. does that imperil us, tom, as a country now that our enemies know that andy mccabe spent $70,000 on a piece of office furniture? >> of course it doesn't. it shows you the fbi and the department of justice can't be trusted to evaluate fairly whether documents should be released or not. and the president, who constitut

you start to see mark penn, a former clinton aide sort of questioning the mueller probe.probe. you see these members of congress who will be meeting today to discredit the origin of the probe. so it's not always totally coordinated. but now it's all of these voices, almost every day. trying to raise questions about the probe now. but also the origins of it. and the why it matters. the why it matters, is that the more you have this and the more successful it is, and polls show with republicans it is pretty successful, where you have a lot of republicans saying this investigation should end and that the president is not guilty enough to be impeached. that gives the president more and more leverage. because at the end of the day, this is both a legal debate, but it is also a political debate. because it's a house of representatives, that's controlled by republicans that would decide impeachment. and it's the senate which is controlled by republicans that would decide removal. so we should pay attention to this campaign. >> so besides it just being kind of a public chorus and

mark penn noted it took a long time, and even a court battle to find out that the clinton campaign and the democratic national committee paid for the fusion gps dossier, fact it was only disclosed only after the damage was done. avenatti shot back in a tweet today that insisted all comes from donation or his client. penn cited a tweet from stormy daniels admitting she's not paying her lawyer. let's look into this with ari fleischer, former white house spokesman under president george w. bush. along with joel payne, democratic charges. let's start with you, ari. a avenatti's premature cohost of shows all day long. i don't know how it is any legal research or legal memos because he's always on television. he says that's when he gets tips and info because people seem and i guess they text him or give them information that could first case. we have some legal issues perhaps now because he received his banking information from michael cohen. on this issue of payment and who pays him, do you buy that he is crowdfunding his fees. i know it lawyers cost when they are extensive. >> i think it's

we heard from mark penn say that. but i think what christie said is trump has not helped himself in this case. he's done many things to expand, you know,s things that mueller is looking into. and that certainly dangerous for the president, but the criticism you hear from congress is that there really wasn't sort of a lawful charter that rosenstein put on mueller and a that has been the problem that conservatives have had with this for a long time. the solution isn't as we heard from ron desantis to assign another special counsel. conservatives aren't supposed to like that. >> and a lot of the people saying this don't know anything, right? they don't have access to the rosenstein memo that lays out -- we've seen two paragraphs in public. a judge in virginia again there is a way to do this, you can question the authority of the special counsel as one of those charged, paul manafort has done and the special counsel has had to file documents with the judge in virginia saying here is my charge, here is my evidence, you tel

rudy giuliani, mark penn and gaggle of pro trump republicans are hitting the hill, cable, the web, to trash mueller, the fbi and media. hour by hour these voices try to chip away at the case against trump and the justification for it all. and polls show it works wonderfully among republicans. joining us now from washington, paul butler former federal prosecutor now a georgetown law professor and msnbc analyst. here at the table with us msnbc contributor princeton university professor. john heilman is back. he has the title of nbc -- how did you get this title? an msnbc national affairs -- >> i want to make it complicated for you. really long. >> co-host executive producer of circus, mara gay, "the new york times" editorial board. >>> as the resident person smarter than all the rest of us on the law, general hayden seemed to suggest that tomorrow's meeting may not simply be obliterating norms in terms of how you share classified sensitive intelligence with the hill, but that it may be breaking a law. >> right. so, if this is a meeting with congress, then the president doesn't get to ex

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joining me now mark penn, former presidential pollster and advisor to bill and hillary clinton. and texas congressman john ratcliffe, a member of the house judiciary committee, very involved in this investigation as well. gentlemen, good to see you tonight. thanks for being appear on the rooftop with us. he wrote today that the deep state is in a deep state of desperation, what did you mean? >> i think the inspector general's report is coming out. i think devin nunes is finding out what were the origins of the investigation. and there doesn't seem to be a real concrete intelligence origin for this investigation and without a foundation, one wonders what did we spend an entire year on? what did we disrupt everyone who was in the campaign, everyone who was in the administration, and i've seen -- i spent a year fighting this thing with ken starr and i think this thing is just plain wrong that has got to be ended at stopped. >> martha: the reaction this morning on a lot of channels to the report that the president wants an investigation into what happened during his campaign and who

imagines the way a community can be useful in personal in our everyday lives and we are pleased to have mark penn here. he's been a singular force in polling, marketing, advertising and political strategies for over 40 years and advised people you have probably never heard of like bill and hillary clinton, bill gates and tony blair and worked with some of the most powerful brands in business including forbes, microsoft and mcdonald's took he changed the way we thought about swing voters by zeroing in on the soccer mom which is a term he coined and brought trends to light like the new york rise of the internet of internet dating. how many of us-- not me, swipe left, swipe right. tonight we will hear about his newest book trend for which bills on a powerful premise that the behavior of one small group can insert the disproportionate influence over the entire us. it prepares us for things for what's coming next and some of the things we might be ready for and some we may not be. the rise of intelligent tv. yes, please. nerds with money, great. the rise of open marriage, i'm not ready. after mark's p

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former clinton advisor, mark penn, author of micro tend squared among other books. read of thing. very unbiased read of things if that is possible in this day and age. mark, it is interesting, i always say to people that get worked up on the right or the left, i look for consistency. you know, is the same obsession you're giving to watching michael cohen and his ties, are you applying that to avenatti and his dies and they are not. >> well that's right. i think we've seen this double standard in so many ways undermining what is happening in our country. i think when it came to michael avenatti, he had 100 interviews and nobody pinned him down on tough questions. where was he getting the funds from? did he indemnify stormy daniels when he told her to violate her agreements? is there a opo research operation behind him? you know, i think as you keep looking at it, where did he get these bank records? what was the process for those and were they legally obtained? nobody pinned him down on anything. neil: again the same issue when it was michael cohen in connections and

you can read more about mark penn's comments, not only in the profile of him in the new york times thisorning. go ahead. caller: good morning come i wanted it -- good morning, i wanted to speak to the upcoming congressional elections. i think the democratic party will really need new leadership in order to win, that means getting rid of nancy pelosi. i have been a lifelong democrat and she really is a drag on the party. host: what do you think about draining the swamp strategy that they have announced? if they do it it would be wonderful, but nancy pelosi is part of that swamp. she needs to go. host: from virginia, we will hear from staci on our independent line. caller: good morning. drained?he swamp been yes, donald trump has drained the swamp and filled his cabinet with russian spies, child molesters, pedophiles, abusers -- host: which party is better at draining the swamp then? say, i would would honestly say at this point the democrats would be the better party to do that, because of the utter corruption that is involved in donald trump, around donald trump, and the people. host: w

>> steve i think -- the best thing i have seen, for those may not remember mark penn was bill clintonfor most of the years campaign including up through the entire impeachment process, his piece in the hill that came out last night, is about about powerful and credit i believe one of the things points out attorney general has got to get control over he his justice department, right now i think it is running him he is not ring it. that has to change, if it can't, somebody has got to get in there be attorney general and make it happen, i don't like special prosecutors as a general rule steve because they tend to be like mueller get out of control out of hand not answerable accountable to no one usually waste a lot of taxpayer money ruin a lot of innocent people's lives before they go after the real culprits. >> on the attorney general how do you light a fire under him if you don't like him how can you get a new one through the senate? >> well, you know, that is that is going to be a big o a big challenge, but i think at some point donald trump and jeff sessions need a heard to heard tal

mark meadows, and atlanta mayor kesha lance bottoms. this week on prime time, c-span and cspan.org and on the free c- span radio app. >>> next on american history tv, penn state university professor sophia mclindon talks about public satire. and its influence on public opinion. this 30-minute event was part of the symposium on satires held at university of minnesota. >> one of the great adventures of helping pull the symposium together with jane was to identify the scholarships in the last 30 years that has advanced our understanding of satire. from central casting comes our next speaker. sophia is a professor of international affairs from comparative literature at penn state university, and founding director of the center for global studies. he's a recognized expert on satire and politics with two books on the politics. and satire and democracy with a column where she regularly covers politics and culture. one of the threads we're pulling, just how they influence public opinion and why and how sometimes it is more powerful than traditional news. so we'll turn you over now to professor mclendon. >> i appreciate you taking a moment and sharing your time

mark meadows, and atlanta mayor kesha lance bottoms. this week on prime time, c-span and cspan.org and on the free c- span radio app. >>> next on american history tv, penn state university professor sophia mclindon talks about public satire. and its influence on public opinion. this 30-minute event was part of the symposium on satires held at university of minnesota. >> one of the great adventures of helping pull the symposium together with jane was to identify the scholarships in the last 30 years that