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martin van buren is responsible for the universal expression. >> yes. during the election of 1840, supporters of van buren who started referring to him as old kinder hook. the phrase o.k. hit the streets in boston and it was picked up. it was a way to talk about old kinderhook. it became the o.k. expression that we use all the time. >> what's your question, georgia? >> i would like to know whether angelica did anything beyond hostsing? any public policy? the people on the missouri frontier were disappointed of him not helping with their causes because they had conflict with the other frontiersmen? did she do advising or was she strictly a hostess? >> we have no evidence of her delving into politics. actually even later in life, even during the civil war, she is quite quiet about where her sentiments fell. she clearly does not express a political view. i think she would not have had any influence. >> her influence was a negative one. >> because of her mistake. she was young and she made mistakes. >> did she recover? >> she did, i think >> they said they t

i believe that martin van buren and his daughter-in-law had a very close relationship. he was very amiable and was successful in politics. he was trained in the social graces of the 19th century. -- she was trained in the social graces of the 19th- century. i i think they genuinely cared for one another. >> by a number of them are served in different places. >> yes. >> we have been talking about ande early "first ladies" whether they influenced -- and and this country -- and whether they influenced fashion in this country. >> she was definitely like jackie kennedy, selling to be emulated. >> let's talk about how the family used this after they lost the white house. buren put a lot of productive making a productive farm and made money out of doing it. that was an important component. he also had his family there. he had cousins and nephews and nieces. he had families stay there. of family.ouse full >> he also had political mbition.l anda >> absolutely. he made it clear that if the country call for him, you would certainly go forward. go forwould certainly afford ward. >>

martin van buren was anti slave. when the missouri compromise was agreed to thomas jefferson said he sat up and here's a siren, martin van buren had the same reaction. this is very bad for america. this is going to cause a civil war. his and jefferson's vision on that was as the territories are open up, more and more of them are going to be free. as more territories become free states, congress will get a majority of free votes and when congress gets a majority of free votes sooner or later it will vote to end slavery. seeing that, when that happens you get a civil war. seeing that on the horizon, martin van buren sought to make an end run in which he would short circuit all discussion about slavery in congress and in the political arena and the way he sought to do this was to create a totally new political party. we were a 1-party system, few people know this. we were a 1-party system from 1816-1824. called the democratic republicans. a lot of people think we are still a 1-party system. martin van buren creates a ne

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it's dress-like-a-president day, i'm supposed to be martin van buren. who? martin van buren!es around the country. new york snow and rain. a high of 42. miami, showers. chicago, expect flurries, 36 the high. dallas, mostly sunny, 58. the high los angeles, mostly cloudy. >>> in the words of houston's cardinal daniel dinardo, no one wants to rush this. well, when cardinals gather in rome elect a new pope seem in no hurry, they'll cast their ballots. in a just released cbs/new york times poll, a majority of american cabinets want the cardinals to choose a younger more liberal pope with new ideas. danielle nottingham is in vatican city. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, anne-marie. any day we will learn when the cardinals will huddle up inside the sistine chapel and finally begin selecting a new pope. the cardinals are waiting this morning for the last of the cardinals to arrive in vatican city sometime later today. more than 100 cardinals from around the world are meeting early and leaving late, but they're in no rush to set a date to elect a new pope. >> they've got plen

martin van buren is responsible for the universal expression, "ok." >> yes. during the election of 1840, supporters of van buren who started referring to him as old kinderhook. the phrase ok hit the streets in boston and it was picked up. it was a way to talk about old kinderhook. it became the ok expression that we use all the time. question,your georgia? >> i would like to know whether angelica did anything beyond hostessing? any public policy? the people on the missouri frontier were disappointed of him not helping with their causes because they had conflict with the other frontiersmen? did she do advising or was she strictly a hostess? >> we have no evidence of her delving into politics. actually even later in life, even during the civil war, she is quite quiet about where her sentiments fell. she clearly does not express a political view. i think she would not have had any influence. >> her influence was a negative one. >> because of her mistake. she was young and she made mistakes. >> did she recover? >> she did, i think >> they said they tore out the da

martin van buren left for great britain, very happy to be the ambassador. >> martin van buren comes tohe white house, and he is the first northerner, new york state. he was the first born with american citizenship. another first for him, the adams were of english descent. >> he grew up speaking dutch. >> his wife died many years before. we will listen now to white house historian. >> she was a southern belle, a tall girl. today, you would say she was athletic looking. she married abraham van buren. she was from near columbia, south carolina. she had plenty of money. somewhere in the area of fort jackson. she bought pretty clothes, she was apparently a lot of fun. she and abraham went to great britain on their honeymoon. she had a platform built at the end of the blue room. she received all her friends. they just nodded, they did not shake hands or anything. it was not taken very well. they did not like that at all. the platform was removed. not a lot known about her. very few letters. she was a belle of that time. >> martin van buren came to the white house as a bachelor with a number

he was going to win massachusetts, unless a third-party candidate by the name of martin van buren running on the new free soil cake which was created to avert zachary taylor mostly by former interest rates, trying to convince them that it is a great thing but martin bent -- martin van buren, zachary taylor can win. so we need to make sure we work for zachary taylor to keep lewis cass out of the white house. what is interesting is lincoln goes to the philadelphia convention this in pennsylvania, lincoln's first trip to philadelphia, a chance to -- i suspect many of you have done it. abraham lincoln actually does a lot of the same things we have done in this book. in the recess that happened after zachary johnson through adams lincoln actually goes to mount vernon. like many of us have done, to washington, not a tourist site, but he is aware as custodian of the ground. just like many of us have. the philadelphia convention he meets a lot of people, people he is not serving with in congress putter gentleman named thaddeus stevens from pennsylvania. everyone can remember him, played by tommy

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the news media was founded by martin van buren. mart vein van buren creates the first newspaper to support the democrat party. they only published democrat prop began dark only advanced democrat interests. the wig do the same thing. back then they would tell you what they're agenda was. it was called the richmond whig. they stated on the masthead what you were buying. nobody pretended to be objective because their goal was to advance a political agenda. i think we are rapidly getting back to that point. we had about 100 years of seemingly objectivism with the news but we're rapidly getting back to a very partisan news. i don't think that's bad. i think that eventually, giving the -- almost all the news sources owned and operated by some wing of one of the major parties. >> host: american history. the u.s. will win the war on terror, came out in 2006, and in that book you write: americans win wars because we tolerate and accept them as a fact of life and antimilitary segment of society constant criticism, pushes our armed forces to e

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administration, angelica van buren is the white house hostess for her father-in- law, president martin van buren, who is a widower. we include your questions and comments by phone, facebook, and twitter, live monday night at 9:00 eastern on c-span and c- span three. also on c-span radio and c- span.org. >> during his weekly question time, british prime minister david cameron answered questions on the british economy ahead of the budget address by the chancellor of the exchequer. also talkednister about the eurozone bailout of cyprus. opposition leader@miller band said the situation in cyprus was undermining the basic trust in banks across the eurozone. time access to capital to fund those projects. >> order. questions to the prime minister. mr. philip david. >> mr. prime minister. >> thank you, mr. speaker. mr. speaker, this morning i had meetings with minister colleagues and others and in addition to my duties in this house i shall o have further suh meetings later today. >> does the transfer every with me that today we need a blue-collar conservative project which has taxes are people wh

angelica van buren is the white house hostess for her father-in- law, president martin van buren, who was a widower. we will include your comments and questions tonight live at 9 eastern on c-span and c-span3. also on c-span radio and c- span.org. >> former defense department on ail jeh johnson targeted killings overseas. administration faces questions over that legal rationale of that operation. this is just under an hour. >> good morning. it is a pleasure to welcome you here today to new york's never ending winter. glad to see you could get up so early and break your way here. we are very excited about today's conference. first, i want to give a few banks. , directorthank susan of the center on national security here at fordham for her work in putting together this conference with me. it is god'sine work, so we have done that as well as everything else. today we are looking at 21st century warfare law, the enemy, and the battlefield. andthe work of the center fort the other national security center law school, basically this is what we have been looking at for 12 years. legale been

the next administration angelica fanned iran -- angelica forburen is the first lady buren,her, martin van a widower. next come the federal reserve chairman ben bernanke talks to reporters at a press conference about interest rates, the federal reserve quantitative easing program, and the u.s. economy. from the federal reserve board here in washington this is just under an hour. >> the federal open market committee committed a two day meeting earlier today. as always my colleagues and i reviewed recent economic and financial developments and discuss the economic outlook. economic outlook. the data had been generally consistent with our expectation that the fourth quarter recovery would prove temporary and modern economic growth would resume. spending by households and businesses have continued to expand. sector has seen for gains. the jobs market has shown signs of improvement over the next six months. private payrolls are growing more quickly,hours of work have increased. the rate of findings and employment insurance has fallen. the unemployment rate has continued to dip down. at 7.7%, th

during the next administration, angelica of van buren is the white house hostess for father-in-law, martin vanr. we will include your, questions and comments live tonight at 9:00 on c-span and c-span 3 and cspan radio and c-span.org. morning, michael still talks about the future of the republican party, then, a consumer advocate, ralph nader, discuss his income inequality between ceo'cans the typical wage earner, and

and the daughter of martin van buren is the hostess -- we will include your comments by phone, facebook, and weather. radio and c-n span.org. >> you have been on the commission since 2006 and the chairman has been on since 2009. his term is up and yours will be up next year. should we expect some turnover? years have flown by very quickly,

administration, angelica van buren is the white house hostess for her father-in-law, president martin van buren, who is a widower. we'll include your questions and comments by phone, facebook and twitter live tonight at 9 ian on c-span and c-span3, also on c-span radio and c-span.org. >> now,ous foreign affairs -- house foreign affairs committee chairman ed royce on u.s. policy towards the asia-pacific region. in remarks to the heritage foundation, he emphasizes the need to focus on economic prosperity in asia. he also discusses u.s./china relations, north korea's nuclear program and the trans-pacific partnership trade agreement. this is about 50 minutes. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. my name is edwin feulner, for the next 13 days i am the president of the heritage foundation. [laughter] i'm delighted to have with us in this morning my successor as the new president of the heritage foundation can, senator jim demint. we're very happy you're able to join us this morning for our 17th annual lecture. i welcome you all. it's good to see so many friends here, and it's particularly hap

during the next administration, angelica van buren is the white house hostess for martin van buren, who is a widower. 9:00s live monday night at eastern on c-span and c-span3, c-span radio, and c-span.org. >> now, the house foreign committee affairs allied u.s. policy toward the asia pacific region and of relations with china. he talks about north korea's's nuclear program, trade agreements, and india's role in the region. from the heritage foundation, this is about one hour. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. days, thext 13 president of the heritage foundation. i am delighted to have with us as amorning my successor new president, senator jim demint. we're happy you are here to join us. to theme all of you auditorium. it's good to see so many friends here and particularly a happy occasion for us to be able to co-host the reception afterward with the ambassador of the the republic of korea. it's very special time for korea to celebrate the first anniversary of chorus and we celebrate and commemorate the 60th anniversary of the end of the korean war. today, we have a number of other

two of the most interesting in the room are the bust of martin van buren, and the portrait of his daughterlaw. and the fat that dolley madison is connected to that store years later. when president van buren was inaugurated, president madison had died the year before and she had moved back to washington. president van buren was a widower. dolley madison basically introduced angelica to her husband to be, the president's eldest son. she became the hostess for the white house. largely as a result of dolly madison doing matchmaking. >> what condition was the white house? >> washington d.c. was a very muddy place. abigail had written home it was a very dirty hall of a place she had ever been in her life. the houses were separated far apart. it is not like we think of it today. it is very rudimentary. part of what she is doing is building a social network amongst the women so that a lot of this is overlooked for politics and diplomacy and fashion. it can carry people over the fact we are not living in a fantastic capital of the world. >> questions. did they get along? >> yes. she was there. thi

in jellico singleton introducing her to her future husband, martin van buren.irst ladies, influence and image, live, next monday at 9:00 p.m. eastern on c-span and c- span three. also on c-span radio and c- span.org. our website has more about the first ladies, including a special section, welcome to the white house. that chronicles life in the executive mansion during the tenure of the first ladies. edition of the book "first ladies of the united states of america." and thoughts from michelle obama on the role of first lady throughout history. now available for the discounted plus shipping. c-span.org/products. >> c-span, created by america's cable companies in 1979. brought to you as a public service by your television provider. next here on c-span, republican national committee chairman) this talk about the future of the -- reince priebus talks about the future of the gop. then, sarah palin at the conservative political action conference. after that, more of our first ladies series. riebus least a report monday on changing the gop. needs tos the party do a b

during the next administration, angelica van buren is the hostess for her father-in-law, president martin van buren, who is a widower. we'll include your questions and comments by phone, facebook and twitter live monday night on c-span and c-span3, also on c-span radio and c-span.org. >> coming up next, a panel looks at how the small business community has been affected by obama administration policies. this was moderated by carly fiorina. the forum is part of the annual conservative political action conference held in maryland. we will show you as much of this as we can until the senate gavels in this morning at 9. [applause] >> well, thank you and good afternoon to those of you who are hanging in here. thank you for hanging in here. of we have a really exciting and fun panel for you this afternoon as the title suggests. we are not here to discuss the future of the republican party, actually, we are here to talk about the state of american business. [applause] thank you. [laughter] last year when i addressed cpac, i actually talked about technology, and i talked with you about technology bec

two of the most interesting in the room are the bust of martin van buren, and the portrait of his daughter in law. angelica, that has the white marble bust painted into the back ground. and the fact that dolley madison is connected to that store years later. when president van buren was inaugurated, president madison had died the year before and she had moved back to washington. she was the most important woman in washington. president van buren was a widower. dolley madison basically introduced angelica to her husband to be, the president's eldest son. she became the hostess for the white house. in the chain of first ladies, she is strictly a wife largely as a result of dolley madison doing matchmaking. >> what condition was the white house? and washington, d.c. as a new capital city? >> well, washington, d.c. was a very muddy place. abigail had written home it was the very dirties hall of a place that she had ever been in her life. the rooms were rutted, the houses were separated, far apart. it is not like we think of it today at all. it is very rudimentary. so i think part of what she i

angelica van buren is the white house hostess for her father in law, president martin van buren, a widower. we will include your questions and comments by phone, facebook and twitter live tonight at 9:00 eastern on c-span and c-span3. also on c-span radio and c- span.org. michael steele is our guest, wrote former republican national committee chairman. thank you for being here this morning. we're so glad you made it here. we sell the currency, with growth and opportunity project. come out the rnc with growth and opportunity projects. it was described as scary, narrow minded, out of touch, stuffy old men. what is the problem? guest: all of that, and a lot more. i look at this and go back to 2006-2008 and recognize i became chairman in 2009 on the heels of those very devastating elections. one is an odd-year election that killed certainly in the presidential election again. the american people say we have had enough of what you are selling. the buildingg into over here on first street and saying this is not the center of the political universe anymore. the center of gravity is outside. it is

in the next of ministration, angelica van buren is the hostess for her father-in-law, martin van barrona widower. will take your calls and comments, live on c-span 3. also on c-span radio and c- span.org. >> "washington journal" continues. host: our son their roundtable focuses on the president's trip to the middle east. we want to welcome nathan guttman, a morning, thank you for being with us. and said arikat, the washington [indiscernible] the question was posed -- president pays a visit, what will be held a string -- palestinians and israelis do now? of what you think of that? on that think that front we are likely to see some .ovement the palestinian authority, benjamin netanyahu, is real, we are seeing some movement that until this moment was basically dormant. , but nathan guttman expectations going in were pretty low. the president even said that he would use this trip to listen. what were the results? guest: the white house was result -- was wise to lower expectations. we are trying to listen to the sides. the president camera a message, that we've hill say. that from translate

administration, angelica van buren is the white house hostess for her father-in-law, president martin van buren, who is a winner were. we'll include your questions and comments by faux, facebook and twitter live tonight at 9 p.m. eastern on c-span and c-span3. also on c-span radio, and c-span.org. >> fbi general counsel andrew weissmann now i'm keeping up with new technologies. he spoke recently at an american bar association luncheon in washington, d.c. he talked about the challenges the fbi and other law enforcement agencies face in gaining private communications records for criminal cases. his comments are about 45 minutes. >> thank you. so, i had narrowed down the stories about, but after the introduction i think i might need to say a number of anecdotes about valerie. but actually will start with one because it's relevant to a seven through of general counsel after valerie had a position for a use. although she is small in stature, she has very large shoes to fill. and the best story i could come up with a wiki a sense of the issues is when valerie was the chief criminal division and

in the next administration, angelico van buren is the hostess for her father-in-law, martin van buren, who is a wood door. -- widower. tonight, on c-span. >> last week the senate veterans affairs committee held a hearing on veterans mental health care and the need for assuring timely access to care. the hearing heard testimony from two panels, including mental health specialists and military veterans advocates. according to the veterans affairs committee chair, veterans are committing suicide at a rate of more than 8003 year and he urged the affairs department to increase the hiring rate for mental health clinicians. [gavel] of thethis hearing saturn -- senate veterans' affairs committee is beginning. i want to start by thanking our wonderful panelists for their years of experience in the important areas they are discussing with us today. i want to thank the va for being here as well. know, it isk we all 10 years with the united states went to war in iraq, went to war in afghanistan before that. what we have learned in a variety of ways is that the cost of those wars has been very, ve

administration, ann gel da van buren is the white house hostess for her father-in-law, president martin van buren, who is a widower. we'll include your questions and comments by phone, facebook and twitter live tonight at 9 eastern on c-span and c-span3, also on c-span radio and c-span.org. >> secretary of state john kerry has made an unannounced trip to afghanistan. he's meeting today with afghan president hamid karzai. the session came shortly after the u.s. military ceded control of its last detention facility in afghanistan. during secretary or kerry's 24-hour visit, he also plans to talk with civic leaders and others to discuss continued u.s. assistance to the country. egypt has parliamentary elections next month. the ruling party is president mohamed morsi's muslim brotherhood x it's being challenged by more secular groups. next, a group of middle east experts assess the policy in the country and gains by secular groups in parts of egypt. this is an hour and a half. >> personally oversaw the research for this project, and she also twisted my arm into doing this event on the hill so, t

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van hollen. ranking member of the house budget committee. sir, good afternoon. thank you very joining us. >> good afternoon, martin. absolutely. >> now, sir, we've become accustomed to mr. ryan's annual budgets being mathematically impossible and brutally callous. but were you not taken aback by his disingenuous use of tax hikes that the president won over the fiscal cliff and his plan to use savings from the affordable care act, but then the promise to repeal it? i mean, isn't it time that mr. ryan unveiled his budget in las vegas in a hall of smoke and mirrors? >> martin, this is absolutely head spinning, and it is a total hoax to try to go to your tea party caucus, which is what republicans want to do, and on the one hand say that they've balanced the budget and on the other hand they want to say they totally repealed obama care. but the dirty little secret in this budget is that the way they achieve balance in ten years is in addition to keeping the revenue on high income earners that we just passed in january, that all the republicans voted against, in addition to that, they took the obama care savings from me

martÍn lleva mÁs de 20 aÑos en el negocio funerario. y el considera que el cuerpo no serÁ embalsamado sino que ya estÁ. >>> despuÉs de los 7 dÍas que lo vannde se produce el proceso. cuando se embalsama se retira la sangre y se la pone con conservantes. se da masajes en la cara y mano para evitar rigor mortis, y se busca que el cuerpo se parezca a la persona. en procesos que duce aÑos y aÑos como el del lÍder lenin, podrian aÑadirse otros elementos. >>> usaron una serie de resinas para tratar de conversar la piel para que la piel no se le seque. >>> se podrÍa preguntar si le preguntaron en vida, en ninguna de sus alocuciones abordÓ esto. >>> el dÍa que me muera no me entierren, agarren algÚn rincÓn de esta inmensa pampa que yo retoÑare. es lo Único que yo pido para el reposo final. >>> chÁvez siempre mostrÓ su lado religioso, y su no conformidad. >>> no se dieron a conocer los detalles, pero hay famosos embalsamadores entusiasmados con hacerlo. >>> chÁvez se une a la lista de los lideres que estÁn embalsamados. en vietnam miles visitan el mausoleo de ho chi min. se va todos los aÑos de viaje a moscu para ser resturado. vamos al norte, yac

martin. >> just from my experience, you look at the amount that you've -- the amount of time that you've spent abating the problem. that starts with lugging paint over to the van, driving it to the site, putting on one coat, putting on a second coat, making sure it's not bleeding, possibly putting on a third coat making sure it's covered up, reloading it and driving back. the cost of the supplies is minimal. the cost of the labor is where you justify the cost because you're looking at someone's hourly wage, time, plus the amount of time that they spent abating the problem. and that's what's going to stand up in court. that's the most. you don't want to overestimate obviously just to make an example of someone you want to be fair and equitable. and the hourly wage is the best way to do it because that's where the cost really comes into play. >> i could add to this a little bit from the historic cultural materials side of things. we have been involved before with the local arts commission on cost for repairing graffiti damages to, say, outdoor monuments. and there was quite a bit of surprise through the court systems of what the cost was. and the reason is becau