. >> yeah, that is marty baron, i think he loosened up in the last few years, that was marty baron's affect, no doubt about it. none of this would have happened without marty, his fresh set of eyes that was the trigger for this entire investigation and he deserves all the credit in the world for it. >> i worked with the speaker one time, they were very proud of that sunshine thing. that is not a big part of the catholic church, is it? >> not at all, the catholic church is a secretive culture, they often hide behind the first amendment, which protects freedom of religion and speech. it was piercing that veil of secrecy. >> you're talking to a kid, a male, young adult, tell them why they should or shouldn't become investigative reporters, because it's a challenge. >> well, i hthink the reason thy may have wanted to become an investigative reporter, this is a chance to make your life meaningful and make a better choice, it's a way to pursue a satisfying life, it may not be satisfying financially, but in terms of contributing, it's a wonderful job. >> you have proven that, i love seeing