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do you agree mary katharine? >> i think that's wrong as well.re are changes that could have been made without blowing up the individual insurance fraud. could have been done in small part. >> want to be in that business. they have to obey those laws. >> the supporters of owe obamacare all the things they don't like all they want. when you are blowing up things into the insurance market to get to those fixes you are hurting people actively. more losing insurance than signing up. >> it's more than that juan, here is what i think it's t. is with you and your crew. >> thank you. >> here is what i think it is. >> you have got a lot of poor people in this country, you know, 20, 30 million people, and they are poor for a reap. substance abuse is a reason, lack of intelligence, laziness, poor planning, having three babies before you are 20 with no father and all of that. so there is always a reason why people are poor in america. you know, there is always a reason. you and your crew, juan, say you know what we don't really care what the reason is that t

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mary katharine ham is not biting. ads of course running to sort of push young people even if they have to do it through their parents to sign up for the healthcare law. normally though the old rule is politics is forbidden at the dinner table. you don't mention it i guess healthcare and obamacare is a little different. >> neil, i don't i don't think u are seeing the upside who needs sweet potato pie when you can pass the propaganda so delicious. obama group ofa sent out email in convenient talking points form for you to give to your family. i think this is obviously a misstep when you are gathering with family this year. i think any political junky and i can say this as somebody who grew up in a hometown where no one agrees with me. has some thoughts things they could refute if they are brought up. number one rule is to act like human being not a talking points robot. i think printing off your talking points about obamacare which has not been going swimmingly lately that's a foul, that's a party foul. >> in my case it

slip of the tongue, mary katharine? i got a bunch of people working for me who screwed this up. >> i think he feels burned. this is reflective of the fact he puts his political fortunes in the fact that he is burned ahead of the other concerns in this interview. this is the moment where he could have showed ultimate empathy. he has been dishonest that people could keep their plans now people are losing them. he could have been empathetic and he came not very close to that. referring to himself as the victim instead of them. bill: he didn't go far enough? >> no. i don't think people who lost their plans will feel like that was sincere. bill: juan, what do you think? >> i think oh was contrite. i think he's right that he got burned, and he said more importantly the american people got burned. he was absolutely right on both counts. do i think he feels personally aggrieved the people in charge with technology failed him and exposed him to this kind of embarrassment? yeah. >> critical question here. did he see the website b