some have taken a hard line including matt gaetz.ow mccarthy doesn't have the votes. now it is time to review gop speaker candidates. why the delay? if chaos ensues january 3rd it will be a result of this denialism. now, in talking to people who are close to kevin mccarthy they believe he will ultimately get there because some of these members have not gone as far as matt gaetz, they've threatened to vote against him, they are willing to cut deals, may want key committee assignments, something that kevin mccarthy can help to allow, may want concessions like rules changes to give them more power in the rank and file. all those deals could be cut in the days leading up to january 3rd and there are other ways to get to -- to become elected speaker below 218 votes in a member votes present but does not vote for somebody else. that could reduce that tlesh hold from 218 votes to underneath that threshold. mccarthy allies believe there are a lot of other ways he can ultimately become speaker but they don't deny it's going to be close and go

they're not as dug in as matt gaetz.y might want something from mccarthy that he has shown them yet. expect a lot of horse trading in the next couple of weeks if republicans are able to take the majority. >> extra, extra, read all about it, he may have to make some concessions. thank you very much. >>> and depending what happens in arizona and in nevada, we play not need to wait for georgia's runoff election to know which party is going to control the senate. votes are still being counted in those two states. let's bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard in phoenix, and nbc's stephanie gosk from inside the room at the clark county election building where we just got the update a few minutes ago. but ron, there is a little bit of news that's coming out of arizona about an update we will get in a couple of hours. what's happening? >> we're going to be hearing from mare coca county officials we're told two and a half hours from now, right where we're standing from here, and hopefully getting an update on exactly how many ballots are

matt gaetz is not known for his experience in whip counting. but he probably isn't wrong that right now as we speak kevin mccarthy doesn't have the 218 he needs to become speaker. that vote will happen in january. by the entire house of representatives and as jessica just pointed out what you'll see today is a vote for the majority of his caucus that he believes he's likely to get. and people close to mccarthy who i'm talking to even before coming on with you, they are bullish on the idea that most of the republican members, incoming and existing, realize there is just no one else who could get that magic 218. we'll see. i remember standing outside of the room where they were voting in 2015 and kevin mccarthy was sure he would be the speaker an john boehner announced he was leaving and it fell apart for him. we'll see how it works out because this is all very dynamic right now. >> another thing that is happening as donald trump is preparing to possibly announce he's running again for the presidency, a 2024 bid. reaction to that news from the hi

supporting him or at least not supporting mccarthy is matt gaetz who says this. >> i think you'll seel mass say that we want to turn the page. we want new leadership. we want fresh faces and new ideas and what i can tell you as i stand here right now is that kevin mccarthy does not have 218 votes to become speaker. i don't think he has 200. >> matt gaetz is not a serious player among house republicans, but he is a very vocal player in sort of the trump media universe, the maga media universe, call it what you will out there. so what is his end game? >> it seems like matt gaetz wants to establish his own, you know, brand there in the party, but he also has marjorie taylor greene who's actually on ken mccarthy's side. you mentioned discipline. there isn't discipline in the republican party. there's not going to be any repercussion for voting against kevin mccarthy. there's no carrots and sticks. they just have to try to get stuff done. that was established even before the majority was taken. we saw that last year when kevin mccarthy refused to punish members who were doing all sorts of

a republican up on the hill just texted me, basically, watch out for matt gaetz who has said there isl vote for kevin mccarthy. if there are enough votes, he may not need matt gaetz, but there are 31 who did not vote for him in that conference. so he has a ways to go. there's one thing that manu was talking about earlier that kevin mccarthy gets to give out. and that's committee assignments and chairmanships. i think one of the things you're going to see him do is a lot of promises, promises to get these votes. >> and he also can take away committee assignments. he said he's going to remove some democrats from these committee assignments. so it's going to be a whole sea change. that's why we saw so many retirements from house democrats because they didn't want to work in the minority. they all remembered that. so we'll see if any more retirements happen. what's remarkable is that democrats still control the senate, which was not the expectation of leader mccarthy. >> i think it's going to be hard to keep the job if he gets the job. we've seen that in the past with john boehner not bei

basically what we've heard from republicans, scott, like matt gaetz and even congresswoman nancy mayes she's heard in the hallway is there will be impeachment hearings. that's one of the things the republicans want to do if they win back the house. why do you look skeptical? >> they're not going to impeach joe biden. i think there will be a lotful investigations of joe biden. >> what about mayorkas? >> republicans are very upset about the border crisis but specifically with him and republicans are hearing from border agent that are very upset with mayorkas. >> so there could be impeachment? >> impeachment's a huge step, but that guy, i think steve scalise said in september he'll have a reserved spot at the capitol for his parking because he's going to be up there so often. >> molly, what do you think will happen? >> you'll have a fight between the maga caucus and the more normal republicans. it's going to play out and i think the maga caucus is going to win and i think it's going to be a lot of investigations, maybe an impeachment and i think ultimately the american people are going to

and with that, i turn it to matt gaetz. mr. gaetz: i'm here as a member to say the days of endless cash and military material to ukraine are numbered. they are numbered in the days that are required to act on congressman green's well-thought-out res ugh like. i will not vote for one more dollar to you crane or one more dollar to ukraine. we are far too entangled and i call on the secretary of defense to declassify the inspector general report on our compliance regarding chain of custody. there is a report now. you all can't read it and i wish the american people could see the extent to which our laws have been violated, our regulations have been ignored to the chain of custody we were supposed to have. constituents see the most exquisite american military equipment without true accountability and without a measure that is going to a fight. the american people are not going to support this war without review and asking tough questions and incoming majority will not and should not. mr. clyde: it went toll ukraine's border. this a

and we saw folks like matt gaetz saying well, the weather wasn't looking great to come to d.c.re they can dealing with leadership. and lindsey graham came out and said this is a message that trump needs to stick to. he's been down here urging trump to delay this announcement. i know he told one of my colleagues yesterday he did not agree with the timing of this announcement. now, the timing is sort of an argument that people make at the moment because they don't want to come out and say anything more critical than that. so that's kind of the excuse people are using. all of these senators, you see, they've been waiting for years now, essentially, for opportunities to break with trump, you know, we've seen them go after mitch mcconnell sort of endless eye. and so any opportunity they have, we have the governors association on the republican side going on now with a number of folks who have been waiting to break from trump. but when you demand that sort of market share among the base, someone is going to have to come back and take it from him. and so far, that has not happened. an

even matt gaetz -- >> who was there? weather app. it looked pretty good, but he didn't make the flight. this is a wounded, wounded politician, isn't it? >> he is. he absolutely is. he does not carry the weight he once carried. they're clearly not as afraid of him as they once were. they clearly don't want to kiss the ring in the way they once did. the problem is he's still there and he still has a chunk of the party, the rank and file members of the party who are almost cultishly in support of him. you know, he's going to take -- he'll burn the house down before he lets anybody else take the nomination from him. if somebody is going to challenge him, and i think it has to be a one-on-one challenge, if it's a multi-candidate race he'll win it with 30 or 40% of the vote. the republican party has a problem. they have to fight trump or watch him self-destruct. they're going to be in the blast radius. it's just a terrible, terrible choice that the republican party faces. >> he's also, george, under investigation. part of this

trump ally congressman matt gaetz calling mccarthy a member of the c team, not even in his top 100 for the speaker role, he says. gaetz is endorsing jim jordan for the day and the pro-trump freedom caucus is digging in with key demands for mccarthy to get their support they say they want easier rules to oust a speaker, more say on committees, more time on bills and an impeachme impeachment probe. one lawmaker saying they, referring to the freedom caucus members are a bunch of selfish prima donna a-holes who want attention for themselves, they're trading effectiveness for the warm embrace of their social media followers. on the senate side, while current minority leader mitch mcconnell is expected to nab the leadership spot there's a signs things might not be peachy there. rubio and hawley are calling for next week's leadership vote to be delayed. this until after the senate runoff race in the peach state, georgia is decided. more division now. this time within former president trump's family. cnn is learning not everyone is on board for a potential 2024 run. this is ahead of a special

so far, andy biggs and matt gaetz say they're hard noes.ill likely only be because he made a deal with the extremists in his caucus and guaranteed enormous power to the people who are promising nothing but chaos and pointless investigations into things like hunter biden's laptop and the doj's handling of january 6th insurrectionists who are where they belong, in jail. joining me is stuart stevens, he's worked on five republican presidential campaigns and is a contributor to resolute square, a new pro-democracy media platform taking on fox news and right-wing media. very much needed. michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times" and an msnbc political analyst. this is a really good mash-up, take a look. >> i talked about the main issues which is 40-year high inflation, record gas prices, skyrocketing crime. >> we have now have record inflation all across this country at 40-year highs. he supports biden's energy policies which have made gas and utilities more expensive. >> inflation, run away immigration, crime problems around the cou

is matt gaetz going to vote for nancy pelosi or hakeem jeffries come january?u needed marjorie taylor greene and donald trump to get your power that tells you everything about the predicament right now. >> is there a reason, john this is going to be different than paul ryan in 2015? >> it look, tim ryan voted against nancy pelosi too. there are tribes within the tribes. do not overstate this. we live in an age where people develop their brand by challenging the establishment. and andy biggs is not a big policy guy in the house of representatives. nobody turns to andy bigz gs an says what do you think about ukraine or taxing and spending. he's a rebel rouser. he thinks this helps him with his brand. do not think of him as the future speaker of the house. that happens. don't overstate it, but don't understate it. the question is how big will kevin mccarthy's majority be in january? the republicans are 215 right now. they may get to 218, 220 maybe. so he's not going to have any votes to lose. he's not going to have any -- two or three, maybe four votes to lose com

matt gaetz said donald trump is the next candidate.nald trump or not, and the problem is, look, some of them will do it out of fealty and loyalty and craziness, that's the kari lake play. the others like rick scott will do it because they have to. >> don't you think some will see, wow, this is our get away car, like i don't have to do this anymore. >> the stench and stain of trumpism lives with these republicans. it's not as easy as just saying i took a shower and it's gone. >> adrienne elrod, the other part of this is the voters. a lot of folks were wrong about what mattered to them. democracy did matter. joe biden was right. >> yeah, that's exactly right. a couple of things, mika. number one, president biden's agenda is incredibly popular. we saw that play out tuesday night. to your point, abortion, people actually care about protecting their right to access to abortion, not just women but a lot of men out there too. that was important to them. and anyone who said that democracy doesn't matter to voters, protecting the pillars of dem

matt gaetz of florida, andy biggs of arizona say they both cannot support the speaker. tt rosen dale of montana supporting the speakership, and also bob good, a virginia republican telling me that mccarthy does not have the votes to get there. but they have not completely shut the door to ultimately supporting him. the reason this is an issue for mccarthy is he's expected to have a narrow majority. don't know the final numbers yet but could be in the 220, 222 range which means he can only lose a handful of votes to become the speaker. that is what's happening on the republican side. on the democratic side things are bit smoother in the aftermath of nancy pelosi's decision to step aside after 20 years of dominating and running her caucus now there's a leadership transition under way. hakim jeffreys, new york democrat, is poised to become the first black leader of any support in congress. now his party is getting behind him for the top job as the democratic leader in the minority in the new congress, and we expected number 2 to be catherine clark from massachusetts and num

matt gaetz is against marjorie taylor greene because he wants to be more famous than her.der. if he wins, if he gets to 218. we don't know what the majority will be. it's likely there will be a republican majority. any one of those people, you know, a couple, two or three can deny the 218 votes. he's going to be walking around making deals, cutting every deal he can with the crazies, the freedom club. the question, nicolle, the moderates who are left, i don't know who they are anymore, are they willing to say, kevin, this has gone too far, and we will vote against you if you acquiesce to what this demand is. as moderates, we wanted to get along and govern. the freedom club wants to burn it all down. >> let that sink in, they want to burn it all down. more of my conversation with adam kinzinger after the break. what he says about criminal referrals for donald trump, and just how dangerous cassidy hutchinson could be to the disgraced ex-president. we will be right back. right ba. [newscast audio] hello, world. or is it goodbye? you know, it seems like hope and trust are in s

>> elyse stefanik, matt gaetz, jim banks securely there, others say i will support the nominee, a lot to turn the page. for the first time ever since i have been hosting the show i had more people tell me i voted for trump twice and won't do it again, the biggest tactical move that donald trump made besides the rally on january 6th has been going after desantis and youngerkim, they defied their favorite kid in their family. stuart: i don't think trump can win. if he is the nominee for 24 i don't think he wins. what say you? >> another wrinkle, the 2016-20 game plan will not win. it will get republican votes but you don't win with republican votes, you win with independents and moderate democrats who do exist. it is clear it can be done if you look what happened in certain races. in new york, another seat delivered in new york and florida, we have been over that. people want to point to crist being a week opponent. if people don't like the opponent they don't vote, they went out of their way and voted for ron desantis. a lot of stuff he's doing people relate to. i bring you to what bil

. >> marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz is pulling the strings. >> mccarthy will revert to the establishmente moment he gets power. five of us saying publicly we have no intention of voting for mccarthy. firm in the opposition to him. that ought to trigger a realization among blrepublicans that we need a consensus candidate. >> that might be the path forward but no candidate emerged and will be perhaps mccarthy cutting the deals and then contending with that part of the conference as speaker. >> absolutely. this is a colossal headache for him. he has cut deals with greene already. she sounds quite confident to get a pretty plush committee position, not only committee restoration. so he's cutting the deals left and right. he mentioned that republicans weren't interested in impeaching and then pivoted to that with mayorkas. >> what do you make of this marjorie taylor greene inconvenient friendship or friendship of convenience i guess? she has decided to back mccarthy and getting richly rewarded for it but going to be quite the defacto leader of the house in this next congress perhaps. >> i ima

. >> you're talking like matt gaetz. jessica deerng thanks very much for your reporting. cnn's john berman joins us from the magic wall. john, i don't think anybody thought the house controlled would still be up in the air six days after the election. >> i don't think anyone saw called the senate four the election. the republicaned called 212 seats for the republicans, 204 for for the democrats. you knee 218 to control. republicans need six more if they want to tame control. there are 19 seats right now where we have not called a winner, and of those 19 races, republicans are leading in ten. remember, they only need sichlkts democrats are leading in nine. remember, they need 14 to maintain control. look at the map here. the races covered in show where each candidate is leading. what democrats would need to do if they wanted to maintain control, they would need to hold every one of these blue seats they're leading in rye now and they would need to hide these where they're currently leading. could they do that? it's tough. it's tough at this point. first, there are a couple

in fact, there are two members considered hard-nosed right now, matt gaetz of florida, andy biggs of a. both say they cannot support the speaker. there are others who are threatening to vote against mccarthy as well for speakership. matt rosendale of montana being one of them and bob goode, a virginia republican telling me mccarthy doesn't not have the votes to get there. but they have not completely shut the door to ultimately supporting him. the reason why there's an issue for mccarthy is he's expected to have a narrow house majority rmt we don't know the number yet, which means it could be in the 222, 22 4 range. he let's moving to lock down support to get there. that is what's happening on the republican side. on the democratic side, things are actually a bit smoother in the aftermath of nancy pelosi's decision to step aside after 20 years dominating and running her caucus. now there's this leadership transition underway. hakeem jeffries, the new york democrat, is poised to become the first black lead never party in congress. now his party is get behind him for the top job as the

matt gaetz of florida, andy biggs of arizona, both say they cannot support the speaker. ning to vote against mccarthy as well for the speakership. matt rosendale of montana being one of them, also bob goode, avirginia republican telling me that mccarthy does not have the votes to get there. they have not ultimately shut the door. the reason why they're is not supporting mccarthy, he's expected tovy narrow house majority. with don't know the numbers yet, it would be 220 or 222 range, meaning he needs only a handful of votes. he is leaning to lock down support to get there. that is what's happening on the republican side. on the democratic side things are actually a bit smoother after the nancy pelosi decision to step aside after 20 years dominating and running her caucus. now there's leadership transition under way. hakeem jeffries, a new york democrat, is poised to become the first black leader of any party in congress. now his party is getting behind him for the top job as the democratic leader in the minority in the new congress. we expect number two to be katherine cla

he joins matt gaetz, matt rosendale, andy biggs and bob good, who've all signaled they'll oppose mccarthy. if current margins hold in the house races that are not yet called, mccarthy will only be able to afford to lose four votes. this presents quite a math problem and could lead to some serious drama on the house floor on january 3rd. mccarthy was at the mexican border today to make more promises and acting like he's a sure thing. >> in 42 days a united republican house takes control. we will use the power of the purse and the power of the subpoena. if secretary mayorkas does not resign, house republicans will investigate every order, every action, and every failure. we will do whatever it takes. >> becoming speaker tradition l. takes 218 vote. technically what you need is a majority of the lawmakers who are present on the house floor. if no candidate has a majority on the initial vote, the house goes to a second ballot and so on and so on. the last time a speaker election went to multiple ballots was way back in 1923. nancy pelosi won re-election last year as speaker with 216 votes. it

you look at the marjorie terrorism greens and matt gaetz they are going to want payback for their votes>> they are. but it's not clear me how much he will have to give up. i think his soul is probably trace something less than that. >> trace: brit hume, always good to see you. thank you,. >> brit: thank you, trace. >> trace: the white house has says expressed concerns to turkey threats possible invasion to target kurdish u.s. partners in northeast syria. turkey has threatened to invade kurt stan for years. and the u.s. has maintained contingency plans for just such a scenario. well, tonight, an exclusive first look at the latest survey from the reagan national defense forum. it contains startling news about how you and your fellow americans view the military, here's the chief national security correspondent jennifer griffin. >> we maintain the peace through our strength. weakness only invites aggression. >> this year, for the tenth annual reagan national defense forum, a new national defense survey, the fifth of its kind, outlines an alarming trend. the perception that the military, as

can he convince the hard right flank some like matt gaetz has a known no matter what but some have opennesscolleague melanie, he said quote, only under extreme circumstances would he actually vote for kevin mccarthy. he would not explain what those extreme circumstances are but jake, in order to get those hard right members, he has to make concessions potentially to weaken speakership and empower the rank and file and negotiations two months before the vote in january, jake? >> yikes. thanks. let's talk with our panel here. john berman, let me start with you. if you look at this debate, if i look at terms of the context of the republican senate and nominees in arizona. the blake masters supporters say mcconnell didn't do enough to help elect me. the mcconnell people say and that's the rick scott position, josh hawley position. the mcconnell people say this guy rated lower in focus groups than anyone in the history of focus groups. we decided to put our money in states where we could do better. what do you think? >> look, i think look at the record. look what happened on election day in the

andy biggs, matt gaetz and ralph norman. they say nothing can change their decision to vote against him. why are they so adamantly voting against him? if they do understand this and like he said if they don't vote for him, then the democrats could potentially make this decision and that's the last thing the g.o.p. wants. >> so listen, julie. this is a team support. you have to stand together or you'll fall apart. those three are friends of mine. they don't want speaker mccarthy. the rest of the conference does. get on board. if it's not mccarthy you have no other option. no one is waiting in the wings. kevin mccarthy is right that you will give creed power back to democrats and nancy pelosi to pick the next speaker. let's do it together. the vast majority of the conference wants kevin. get on board. you can't have rogue players when you have such a tight majority in the house. they have to be a team player. >> great to see you. thank you for talking to us. so president biden accusing americans of being lazy when it comes to

mccarthy's problem is that he krnlt get to 218 without marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar and matt gaetzey're asking me to be removed from my committees. he's willing to do it and anything they ask. that's the problem. kevin mccarthy has no ideology. he has no core set of beliefs. he it is hard to get to 218 that way and difficult to keep 218. that's his problem. so he will misrepresent my record, he'll misrepresent derek swalwell or omar, whatever he needs to do to get the votes of the qanon caucus within his conference. >> the january 6th report on the capitol attack is expected to come out at the end of the year. >>> u.s. president joe biden has a packed schedule this week, including a state visit, an uphill fight to ban assault weapons and battle over the federal budget. cnn's jeremy diamond has the story. >> reporter: president biden returning to washington on sunday evening after spending the thanksgiving holiday in nantucket, massachusetts. the president returning to a washington that will be very busy for him over this next week. the president is expected to host french president

roger stone was there, the proud boys was there, matt gaetz was there. donald trump was inciting it. they will keep doing it over and over again. they are not the variable, we are. what did you make when you read this story? >> it's a reminder that so much of what we're discussing has been a long time coming. remember when donald trump even after he won in 2016 was talking about millions of illegal votes that had been cast. so going back to what ben collins said in the previous segment, we are not seeing the culmination of these trends, we are in the middle, maybe the early stages of what is going to be a new normal here. january 6th was in many ways a dry run for what could happen in the future. many of these players have been signaling what they're prepared to do for a very, very long time. so i think people better buckle up. if you think january 6 was bad, wait until you see what's coming in 2024, 2025. >> that's just so harrowing. mike schmidt, one last question for you. are they investigating participants in 2018 or looking at participants in januar

pete: did they do it to matt gaetz too maybe? rachel: we'll find out. live by the sword, die by the sword. okay. well, still ahead, we are following breaking news out of colorado springs where a gunman opened fire in a gay club killing 5 people and hurting 18 others. what we're now learning about the customers inside, who helped take down the suspect. how. will: plus, after the break republicans vowing to get to the bottom of joe biden's involvement of in hunter's business dealings. south carolina congresswoman nancy mace joins us next on nancy mace joins us next on that. joins us. with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. flonase sensimist provides non-drowsy, 24-hour relief. in a scent free, gentle mist. psst! psst! flonase. all good. hi, i'm jill and i've lost 56 pounds on golo. hi, i'm barry and i've lost 42 pounds. jill and i are a team. if she tells me to do something, i usually jump on board. golo was doable, it's realistic, and it's something we can do the rest of our lives. rachel: we are back with an update to that breaking news out of c

when you have a continuum that includes marjorie taylor greene and matt gaetz, mike pompeo would be onethe more normal republicans but as a normal republican he has got to show that he is willing to play this game, willing to be the long time listener, first-time caller to all the shows on salem radio and say, hey i'm one of you. i hate the same people you hate. i am willing to attack the same people you dislike. that's what this is all about. >> mike pompeo, former secretary of state, to donald trump. >> right. >> i'm going to leave that there truly. katie thornton, charlie sykes, more normal. coming up, the dire warning that say this winter will be life-threatening for millions of people in ukraine after russia attacked the power grid. ambassador bill taylor is here on the unfolding humanitarian crisis when the 11th hour continues. ♪ ♪ ♪ go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette. away things. fit together with away things. ♪ ♪ that's our thing. ♪ ♪ before dexcom g6, my diabetes was

hard-nosed being matt gaetz, bob good, andy bigs, rosendale.t mccarthy, which complicates the math. come january, he's going to need every other house republican to vote for him to be speaker. we don't expect any democratic members to support him for that bid for leadership. so it will look incredibly different come january, with a possible house speaker kevin mccarthy and how minority leader hakim jefferies. >> you are going to be busy. thank you for that reporting. >>> and heavy snow continues to bombard parts of western new york, as residents try to dig out from an already historic amount of snow. we'll go live to buffalo, next. dove invited women who wanted their damaged hair trimmed. yes, i need a trim. i just want to be able to cut the damage. we tri dove instead. so, still need that trim? oh my gosh! i am actually shocked i don't need a haircut. don't trim daily damage. stop it with dove. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪things are getting clearer♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin♪ ♪yeah, that's all me♪ ♪not

you look at the agenda he's laying out,st going to be harder for those whether it's andy biggs or matt gaetz say they're not going to vote for them, it's going to be hard to i say no especially when he's been so tough on the administration and the border, two issues these guys care about. ashley: gotta get to this, talk about cryptos. senator elizabeth warren says the ftx collapse should be a wake-up call. in a new op-ed ed she said: regulators must enforce the law before more people get cheated, and congress must plug the remaining holes in our regulatory structure before the next if crypto catastrophe take as down our economy. you know, sean, you're a crypto guy. is she right? do you think it needs more regulation? >> yeah, and i've said that for a long time, i think you want smart regulation that protects consumers, investors but also allows for innovation. and, again, this is not banking, this is not the normal exchanges whether it's the nasdaq or new york. this is something a little bit different, and so i think congress does have to act to classify what these as assets are, who has reg

they won't vote for him no matter what, and that includes matt gaetz and andy bigs and two others areling they are likely to vote no and that is bob good and matt rosendale. we don't know the margins just yet but it is likely that mccarthy could only afford to lose maybe four members, maybe less, maybe one or two more. and so he is going to have to work to win over the rest of those holdouts. but the risk there is that some of the deals could weaken his own power, weaken his own speakership. it could also turn off moderates who will have an equal amount of say in this whole process. listen to adam kinzinger's take on all of this. >> i think he has cut so many deals with bad people to get to this position that i think he's not going to be a leader at all. i think he'll be completely hostage to the extreme wings of the republican party and frankly i don't think he'll last very long. >> now, it is already going to be extremely difficult to govern in a razor thin majority so the question for mccarthy is how far is he willing to go to become speaker. >> we'll find out. thank you. >>> so no

everything. 37,000 view but is not getting support from some who have supported all along lake matt gaetz of florida? i mean he certainly is in the "newsweek" has an interesting article about how he's turned on her because he doesn't appreciate the fact that she caved in and i guess from his perspective. but she's looking at the bigger picture and this wasn't the red wave that republicans had hoped for. and now you have to show people that you can govern. and you've got to have something behind you and the wind at your back is some of the republican governors to made look for you to come in and help them. i think it's all hands on deck i don't think it's because you are in congress that you can't fly in any moment and go help out a fellow republican governor. and i said this on the air before, if it really is all hands on deck, that is gonna be a different vibe come 2024. you already know who you can count on. the kevin mccarthy, you correctly because you know all the details of this so well mercedes has picked up votes as he is run for things in the house. >> mercedes schlapp: yes, that'

matt gaetz is gits hem because he wants to be more famous than her. she's kind of stealing his thunder. if he wins, if he gets to 208 seats, because dwoent know what the majority is going to be. any one of the people, you know, a couple two or three can deny him the 21 votes he needs. we want to get along and govern. so it's a lot harder to do it. freedom club wants to burn it all down. >> meanwhile, house speaker nancy pelosi is expected to address her own future plans today. late last night, her spokesman tweeted this, quote, speaker pelosi has been overwhelmed by calls from colleagues, friends, supporters. this evening the speaker monitored returns in the three remaining critical states. the speaker plans to address her future plans tomorrow to her colleagues, stay tuned. plus, he'll deliver her weekly press conference later this morning. speculation followed the mid terms. she also have said the violent attack on her husband would have an impact on her decision making. mitch mccanal is the senate leader. she cruised to reelection winning by a vote

there are several republicans threatening to vote against him, like congressman matt gaetz, andy biggshe lost the nomination for speaker to kevin mccarthy himself. but mccarthy is trying to pick up votes one by one. there are members asking for concession, they have more power over the leadership, key committee assignments. allies they can win votes one by one and get to 218. but they don't deny it's going to be a tough slog. it can be messy. they're not denying the possibility if he doesn't get 218 votes on the first ballot, potentially it could go to a second ballot or a third. >> it's a razor thin majority, one that may be tough to wrangle. thank you. >>> hakeem jeffries is vowing to seek common ground with republicans as his party moves into the minority in the next congress. eva mckennd joins us life. this is marking a generation shift for the democratic caucus after 20 years under the leadership of nancy pelosi. >> reporter: a generational shift indeed. for so long octogenarians have been running the show among house democrats. but jeffries is not necessarily a fresh face. in man

leadership election and he does claim that he will get the 218 votes he needs by january, but republican matt gaetzf florida came out and said no, he is not going to get those votes. it is a sort of classic who is going to come out on top. mccarthy said he is negotiating over the rules. he ran over to the senate side where you had leader mitch mcconnell now facing a leadership challenge as well from senator rick scott of florida. is there a serious possibility of losing the leadership role? no, i don't think the votes are there for mitch mcconnell to be ousted, but is an indication of divisions in the republican party. judy: we have an announcement apparently coming tonight from former president trump that he is going to run for election again in 2024. what are they saying? you talk to a lot of republicans. >> this is all woven into the narrative about the election, how much they blame former president trump and how much they want to bet on him again in the future. i was astounded today, asking republicans about a former president of tir party should he run for reelection, almost no one would say y

the tendency is to focus on someone like marjorie greene and matt gaetz and others and view them as thethe republican party. the corollary is big nor the performers and they will go away. that you are only giving them oxygen. is allied by the fact that marjorie greene has grown in influence in her own party. she is a top fundraiser. leadership is scared out of their minds. they are offering her plum committee assignments. reporter: you have talked to her and among your takeaways is her complete does -- her complete disregard for kevin mccarthy who is in position to become speaker should they gain the majority which they could. what do you think that kind of republican majority would look like given your reporting in your book? >> the first thing that is likely to happen as marjorie greene said to me is there will be a lot of investigations. she things she will get on a judiciary committee. the guide likely to be the chair of oversight, james comer has said he would welcome her. we can expect investigations relating to the pandemic, hunter biden's laptop etc. we can also expect there to

congressman matt gaetz tweeted mcconnell, mccarthy, mcfailure.rned should mcconnell and mccarthy feel about their positions right now? >> gaetz is one of the republicans that's all about posturing and click baits and doing everything you can to feed red meat. if he has such a problem with mccarthy, he needs to step up and put his name in for leadership. mccarthy is in a good spot because former president trump has said he will support him and has endorsed him. the question is, how likely is that going to be to last throughout the week. we have a lot of rebel rouzers, the freedom caucus members standing up trying to get some of their agenda approved by mccarthy, for him to move forward. it will be interesting to see how much he listens to him. there is also another brand of gop in the house. i've talked to many of them. they want to sit back and let's do a postmortem on this election. how did we get here? what happened? what fell apart? and who was the best person to move forward? at the end of the day, even though it's not a huge majority in the

same thing happened to matt gaetz.uch you have want to bet these charges aren't going to stick for a lot of republicans? democrats don't care. it's about the appearance of wrongdoing instead of actually doing anything wrong. meanwhile, a bombshell from the "new york times," court filings show the fbi had up to 8 informants who had infiltrated the proud boys in the months leading up to january 6th. and among the informants was the proud boys number two. the vice president of the proud boys. was secretly reporting to the fbi. that's according to the "new york times." wow. aoc says she is worried about her safety but not about yours. >> no. i take [bleep] >> put it down. [taser] taser taser. sir, drop it. [gunfire] >> shots fired, shots fired ♪ over the last 100 years, lincoln's witnessed a good bit of history. even made some themselves. makes you wonder... what will they do for an encore? ♪ shriners hospitals for children is awesome. my favorite people in shriners are the doctors and the nurses because they help people t

do you think thomas massey from kentucky or do you think matt gaetz from florida will stand up and yell out the name kevin mccarthy? that's a very tough road to hoe. no doubt that kevin mccarthy has a majority of the votes but he doesn't have 218 votes. >> martha: andy biggs, the others don't have that kind of majority either. so give this a few steps forward for us. how do you see this playing out in. >> somehow you have to find somebody that can be switzerland, so to speak. who is that person that will emerge. remember, when john boehner ran in to trouble, kevin mccarthy was going to go for it but stepped away. it was paul ryan who never expected to run, didn't want to run, told everybody he wasn't going to run. somehow that was appealing. it may end up going to somebody that we haven't thought of yet that hasn't been out there that hasn't necessarily been seeking it that can actually bring everybody together. >> martha: you want to put a name to that face for us? what do you think that might be? >> i got a came names. let's see how it plays out. i don't think they should be meeting t

we just heard in manu's piece matt gaetz say that he would rather be water boarded by liz cheney, i think he's a little obsessed with liz cheney than vote for kevin mccarthy. on the other hand, marjorie taylor green, who is normally a bomb thrower, now said it is very risky if they don't support kevin mccarthy. i never knew she was risk adverse. but it speaks to the tumultuous situationp kevin mccarthy is facing. >> and john, what are you hearing about speaker pelosi. did she want to stay as democratic leader or does she have other plans. >> she's choosing her words very car carefully and cautiously. there is a very, very -- i could add a view more very possibilities. but does she want to stay at the minority leader. does she want to? no. could she? probably not. but she has leverage. she has leverage over the future leader slip and wants to have a better sense of where things are. the republicans are going first and let them go first and get the lay of the land and then play your cards. not now. >> let me get evan, the biden cowb biographer, what makes you think the democrats will be the

this was something that the right-wing congressman matt gaetz suggested a year ago as they were campaigning. and the idea is a sort of radical transparency. normally when one party has only the house but not the sna or the presidency, they pretend to pass these -- this great legislative aagenda yachlt but everybody knows it has no chance of getting through the rest of congress and being signed. seen the idea is let's draft this pretense. and do what we can actually do when is investigations and oversight. so that has been something that congressman gaetz, no ally of mccarthy has been pushing for a long time. and that republicans have now embraced saying, you know, we're going to be the opposition party. we're going to use the levers available to us, the power of the house, to mount the investigations into as you heard things like hunter biden. >> let's talk about pelosi for a bit. you obviously wrote a great biographer of her. she is bringing an end to two decades of the democratic ka caucus. what are the things that stand out you to about how she is able to rise to power. how she was able

[ applause ] matt gaetz easily won his seat in florida. he was re-elected. ida is a state in which being an alleged sex offender makes you an experienced public servant. [ laughter ] it's not necessarily drowned on. matt is going to wait to celebrate until prom night, which is sweet. [ laughter ] we had interesting names on the ball hot in l.a. going through my ballot yesterday, one of the judges running for state supreme court is josh groban. joshua p. groban. what a talented guy, he's a judge too? [ laughter ] the best name is a farmer from illinois who wholeheartedly endorsed a woman running for state comptroller there. >> i'm susannah mendoza. i've worked hard to help people and fix our state's finances to get illinois ready for its growth spirit. >> she delivers big. >> she's a firecracker. [ laughter ] >> jmmy: okay, that right there -- [ applause ] that's dick bigger, jr. so are calling him the breakout star of 2022. by some i mean me. [ laughter ] needless to say, i was eager to meet mr. bigger. we tracked him down. ladies and gentlemen, sitting in yo

hunter biden is nearing a conclusion and also a decision on potential charges on congresswoman matt gaetz. the attorney general could be busy after the election. >>> we have new reporting on the republican party laying out a road map for a what they say they will do if they win back control of the house next tuesday. kevin mccarthy said there are several investigations they want to pursue. so manu raju is live on capitol hill this morning. what should we be expecting if republicans take back the majority in the house. >> reporter: if they do it'll be difficult for them to get legislation onto joe biden's desk and enacted into law because of the problems in the united states senate, the challenge of getting legislation through and a democrat in the white house. which is why investigations will take center stage. the republicans already indicating their desire to look into covid origins, the border, issues with the president's family, and also what happened in afghanistan as kevin staid. >> if you were to be speaker and republicans take control of these committees, what will the hearings be

. >> jim jordan and matt gaetz, hawley stepping forward.riefing them. >> you've got ted cruz. you've got lindsey graham. you've got tom cotton from harvard law school. you've got some heavies in the senate. >> i'm sorry we're missing mark meadows. i told him, can you go back and ask a couple of -- >> the remedy was for vice president pence is the quarterback in the sweep to remand votes back to the six battleground states. >> the vice president has a lot of power and that's important to recognize. >> are we to assume that this will be a climactic battle that's going to take place this week about the very question of the electoral counteract of 1877? >> i think a lot of that depends on the courage of the individuals involved. >> vice president mike pence? >> yes. >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> no. >> and that's where these three plots actually go hand in hand. trump intended any of them to hopefully work in his mind but ideally they would work together. get the states or congress or pence to lie and declare that they're over

although, matt gaetz came out and said he would rather be waterboarded by liz cheney than vote for kevinopic which is the trump factor. i think a lot of republican also think trump wants kevin and that may help him with some of the rowdier parts of the conference. >> bret: i want to turn quickly to the china meeting. it's getting a lot of criticism in that pindz, it appears ben, is taking a soft approach. we don't think that fentanyl came up. we don't know that covid came up, and his comments on taiwan are directly opposite on what he said on "60 minutes." >> the way this administration has botched china policy and problems what we are going to be seeing in the future need to be sending a strong message to china right now not just on taiwan but other questions. it's pretty clear that joe biden did not do that and, frankly, it's at odds with the approach that i think the country generally favors. it's not just a republican issue to be strong on china. i think it's a bipartisan issue. it's something that should unite both sides of the agenda and, unfortunate to see that he did not send tha

representative matt gaetz was on the ground at the protests leading some of the protestors with a megaphone. so there are some similarities here and it shows that the authorities are casting a wide net as they try to understand everything that went into january 6. >> so at what part of the case that the doj is building could this possibly fit in? >> it is not clear. so we do know that several proud boys have already been charged with seditious conspiracy. one of the most severe charges the department has handed out. we know that this individual mr.en gels is under scrutiny and they are looking at his conduct related to these two different events. he has not been charged. roger stone has not been charged. authorities have requested questions about his role in this event. he was not on the ground at the event. he did say at the time that many of his friends were going to it. this type of information could be used at a trial to show repeated pattern of behavior and that these individuals had a predisposition of action in the fact that they went so far as doing it as far back as 2018. and in th

take a listen to what congressman matt gaetz said earlier today. >> right now there are a lot of the establishment republicans in denial, believing that kevin mccarthy can become speaker. what i'm here is tell you is there are definitely at least five people, actually a lot more, who would rather be waterboarded by liz cheney than vote for kevin mccarthy for speaker of the house, and i'm one of them. >> reporter: now, the only reason why these fringe voices matter is because of the math. if republicans win the majority it is going to be by a razor thin margin and mccarthy can only lose a handful of republicans. i'm told there are enough republicans threatening to vote against him unless he gives in to their demands. right now mccarthy is behind closed doors making his pitch to members, saying we need to unite and making his pitch for why he should be the next speaker. >> meanwhile, in the senate, senate republicans have called for leadership elections to be postponed. explain that. >> reporter: yeah, so mitch mcconnell is facing a small but growing group of splns calling to delay the