as you said sorry i'll let you go on yes i will come back to that in a moment i want to get matthew goodwin's view on this do you think politicians have fueled a lot of this as well and as others have said given legitimacy to to many white nationalists. well i certainly think it's part of the explanation if you look at democracy since the one nine hundred eighty s. we've really seen a rise in populist movements a more exclusionary language that's become especially prominent since the two thousands but as i said earlier on you know and to reiterate some of the statements made by the previous speaker when you're dealing with individuals it's often very difficult to identify what was that cools all mechanism to push them into perpetrating bylane so if you look for example of a lot of the research we have in europe particularly germany where the german authorities have looked to perpetrate this very closely you know they often say that they tend to be young the middle age men they tend to have lower levels of education they often have a background of alcohol old old drug abuse old petty criminali

as you said sorry i'll let you go on yes i will come back to that in a moment i want to get matthew goodwin's view on this do you think politicians have fueled a lot of this as well and as others have said given legitimacy to to many white nationalists. well i certainly think it's part of the explanation if you look at democracy since the one nine hundred eighty s. we've really seen a rise in populist movements a more exclusionary language that's become especially prominent since the two thousands but as i said earlier on you know and to reiterate some of the statements made by the previous speaker when you're dealing with individuals it's often very difficult to identify what was that cools all mechanism to push them into perpetrating violence so if you look for example of a lot of the research we have in europe particularly germany where the german authorities have looked to perpetrate this very closely you know they often say that they tend to be yon the middle aged men they tend to have lower levels of education they often have a background of alcohol old old drug abuse old petty criminal

as you said sorry i'll let you go on yes i will come back to that in a moment i want to get matthew goodwin's view on this do you think politicians have fueled a lot of this as well and as others have said given legitimacy to to many white nationalists. well i certainly think it's part of the explanation if you look at democracy since the one nine hundred eighty s. we've really seen a rise in populist movements a more exclusionary language that's become especially prominent since the two thousands but as i said earlier on you know and to reiterate some of the statements made by the previous speaker when you're dealing with individuals it's often very difficult to identify what was that cools all mechanism to push them into perpetrating violence so if you look for example of a lot of the research we have in europe particularly germany where the german authorities have looked to perpetrate this very closely you know they often say that they tend to be yon the middle aged men they tend to have lower levels of education they often have a background of alcohol old old drug abuse old petty criminal

shanahan a research fellow at the low institute an australian think tank and joining us from london matthew goodwin a professor at the university of kent and former member of the u.k. governments and muslim hatred working group good to have you all with us. as name show proof i could start with you then. how when you heard about this attack what what what was your what went through your mind first where you were you surprised by it shocked i mean given given the what your own country is going through what was your first reaction. it was i think the environment for this kind of attack culminates in the way that has the show meant to some time and i think it was always a question of when. yet it didn't take way through the tragedy and the whole integration that i'm continuing to navigate through the migrants but i think that the inevitability of it was something that sadly many fracking temporaries felt was just a matter of time rodger shanahan what were your will your first feelings when you heard about this. think everybody felt the same discussed and shock at what had happened. to these people who

let's also matthew goodwin who is research fellow at chatham house and the university of kansas well. filing parliament to agree well i do agree i think breaks it all the vote for rights it was always the first moment in british history when a majority of people outside of parliament also something that a majority of people inside parliament didn't want to gave and that's always really injected a crisis at the heart of our constitution and what we can see now is a parliament that's really divided and unable to get that consensus position as you say that would actually satisfy the country a whole but they've only got i mean the you know the european union's make it absolutely clear that if they can count come up with a different idea probably by the european council at the end of next week then they won't get an extension so they've got about a week to figure out how they can come up with an alternative plan there's only signed it and they can do that i think the only things that we can see number one is a lack of a majority for a new deal number two. it's probably now a majority for a