matthew neville is account to tell rosamond intelligence on the list of the washington institute for near east policy. i asked him earlier if he had ever heard of anything like this and up the scale. it's nothing like this. it reminds me of the western penetrations of runners, a centrifuge system, where widgets that were procured abroad and were messed with caused those centrifuges to us been to pass and overheat. but nothing like this, especially in a denied space. a place is difficult for operatives from the west informational to operate. this is a huge intelligence, the penetration of his bell. is there any reason, according to you to believe that as well as not behind this incident? it is highly likely that israel's behind this incident it's, it has the fingerprints as really types of attack. it was targeted specifically as his ball up operatives. we know back in february of this year has boss started instructing its operatives to leave phones at home and start using pagers to go more low tech in an effort to try and evade as really signals intelligence that his volunteered was b

or the former metropolitan police detective chief inspector mike neville and the former labour adviser , the former labour adviser, matthewto the show. mike neville, let's start with you. so is it a case of don't do that. if you do the crime, do the time. should we start treating the under 18 seconds like adults and banging them up for these crimes? well, the criminal age of responsibility in this country is ten, and that's comparable with places like australia and new zealand . like australia and new zealand. >> in the states, it's something like six. and but you're always going to get very some very wicked children as we saw with the jamie bulger case. and there's a sentence is going to take place this month of 212 year olds who committed a vicious murder with knives in wolverhampton and in scotland. it's just been ruled last month that the officers were right to taser 11 year old, who had a massive kitchen knife. so we're always going to get these bad children and what you do with them like the bulger's. so what them like the bulger's. so what the other thing is with the left is that they constantly tell us that the pe

matthew, interested to get your impression of neville chamberlain's speech there, saying any deal woulde been a good deal, no matter how badly it went for ukraine. also says ukraine is gone. so many dead people. >> can't rebuild it. >> somehow overlooked the fact that over a million casualties have piled up in russia because of this war. >> well, i mean, i think donald trump is, frankly, delusional, if he thinks that he could have prevented this war. or that he even thinks he can stop it if he does somehow manage to get a second term in office. you know, right now, president zelenskyy is going to be meeting with joe biden later on today in the white house. he's going to bring biden a wish list of things that he needs to continue the fight. you know, while i've always gone on this show and said we have to give the ukrainians absolutely everything they need, i think that president biden would be wise to say no to giving the ukrainians permission to use u.s. long-range weapons. right now, with the middle east ablaze and donald trump telling anyone who will listen that a vote for a democrat