. >> and max baucus. >> harry reid has to give his caucus distance from the president. >> that's right. >> the president is too damaging. and so yes, harry reid would bring to it a vote even if the president doesn't want it to come to vote. >> remember, the president is not running for reelection. these guys and gals in the senate are. their names are on the ballot. harry reid will definitely give them. it doesn't mean it will pass. >> larry, it's a long time to november 2014. >> i'll grant you that. this thing completely change. the republicans went from deep, deep yogurt. now i don't know that they're ahead. i'm not sure. >> the republican party has record lows. >> what is happening is both parties are digging the ditch deeper for themselves. jimmy kemp, what should the gop,

listen to max baucus, democrat, talking about this rollout. >> i think it makes better sense. let's just see how much of this can be put together, how much humpty dumpty can be fixed in the next month. if it looks like humpty dumpty is not being put back better, maybe we should start thinking about delaying the penalties. it's not right to penalize people for mistakes that the government has made because the exchange isn't working, so the better approach is to make sure the exchange is working so we don't have to worry about the penalty problem. >> julie, you have some democrats saying pushing for delays, others calling the website and the rollout humpty dump dumpty. >> max baucus isn't just any democrat commenting on the affordable care act. he's one of the ark tektds of the law. he knows it in and out. it's particularly notable if he's coming out and saying we may have to fix some things here. i think with democrats, what you're seeing is democrats who already feel vulnerable because ofy may have taken, positions they may have taken on the affordable care act, obama care, co

today max baucus, powerful guy. he has come out and called the whole thing humpty-dumpty.is going to join jeanne shaheen from new hampshire. she has a letter circulating that basically they will postpone the tax penalties. you also have senator ron johnson. he wants -- if you want the keep your own plan, you can. he is saying i will grandfather everything. he's got 40 cosponsors, senator mary landrieu may or may not sign on to him. now, do you think that president obama and harry reid will allow any of these democratic bills to even be voted on? do you think so? >> i don't think it's up to the president. i think it's solely up to harry reid in this case. >> oh, come on. oh, come on. >> yes. yes, harry will have a vote on this. and the reason why is there is two members of the united states senate that you just mentioned that are up for reelection that are in states. >> and max baucus. >> harry reid has to give his caucus distance from the president. >> that's right. >> the president is too damaging. and so yes, harry reid would bring to it a vote even if the president does

max baucus who was good enough to tell us i see a train wreck coming.y things, change the insurance being dropped by millions of americans a promise not cab that people could keep the insurance that they wanted. lou: the additions to medicare, is that the time frame you are thinking we have to give this? is there any way in which you would call the president and this administration accountable for screwing up? >> absolutely they should be held accountable. from a media standpoint we cannot just top and say coneys to be fired. we have to focus on the merits of the program. lou: stop. you have to focus as well on the reality before you, a guy who is not talking about firing kathleen sebelius, not talking about the technical issues. that is long since done. i am talking about the model itself. we're talking about another part of the problem. higher deductibles for people who desperately have the money to pay them and higher premiums that are resulting from a program that was supposed to make this -- i think the name is affordable care, right? >> yes. there

. >> the chairman of the committee is max baucus. he's not up for reelection and he called the healthcare law a train wreck. an increasing number of democrats called for the enrollment deadline to be extended. bill: peter doocy from d.c. here is martha. martha: kathleen sebelius takes the hot seat at the top of the hour. as soon as that hearing gets underway we'll go there live. we'll speak to a top republican on that committee. senator orin hatch -- senator orin hatch is americans are tired of this. democrats quote urging carriers to extend the canceled policies that do not comply with the law. so far close to 4 million policies have been canceled. think about that. all across the nation. 22 states and the district of columbia. analysts say they believe in the end this is just the tip of the iceberg. stuart varney joins me now on this. that map is stunning. tell us what's going on with these insurers. >> reporter: you are watching the demonization of the health insurers and it's obscuring the essential truth of obamacare. they were

. >> you're running to hold on to max baucus's senate seat. but baucus has managed to hold that seat for decades, a democratic seat in conservative montana. does the tea party make it easier for the democrat to hold the seat or more difficult? easier in the sense that mor moderate republicans of montana are turned off by the tea party? >> well, i think that it is difficult for them to really find traction. max baucus is a conservative democrat and his style of politics has appealed to a lot of montanans. his popularity has been challenge, but i think that, you know, the tea party has not been -- i don't think they have been a problem in his campaign or reelection efforts. they -- i think they are just too far to the right from where the mainstream is here in montana. >> john, josh, thank you all for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> thanks. >> thanks. >> coming up, why elizabeth warren's name keeps coming up when democrats start talking about 2016. and in the re-write, the "new york times" readers finally learn what the times call

the website was 1 of 17 problems. >> hold on, you brought up max baucus. can i play max actually doing that nursery rhyme? hit it, max. >> let's just see how much this can be put together. how much humpty dumpty can be fixed in the next month. if it looks like humpty dumpty's not getting back together, maybe we should start thinking about delaying the penalties. >> what was it, all the king's horses and all the king's men? >> and all the liberals couldn't put d.c. back together again. >> as soon as they fix the website, it's a -- >> i haven't, it's kind of shoes. >> the other shoe drops. we realize 90% of the people logging on, who l enrolling, are enrolling for medicaid, not obama care. when they realize, it's taking money out the system, not putting it in. enrolling it in obama care is putting money in the system. 95% are going to be taking out one. this thing is doomed for failure. >> i'm glad you feel that way. let me just say, in fact, those people are eligible. they could have signed on any time to medicaid. >> right. >> but the reason they signed on

max baucus is such a refreshing mature voice on this issue. it also shows what a democrat not running for reelection in a red state can do. that means he can be completely perfectly honest with them. the rest of the democrats are saying the president didn't lie shths he didn't lie. on the senate meeting where the democratic senators came to meet with the president and worked behind closed doors i am sure they were very respect fful but they have to be nervous from from some of the election results last night. >> 14 democrat senators were in there. do you have any more details about that meetling? >> 15 of them. i talked to people who were in the room and they were saying there was frustration among the senate democrats. it is beyond the rollout they are not getting enough information and not enough help from the administration in terms of pushing back and explaining this to the american people. specifically the next shoe to drop is what kind of a delay is there going to be in the enrollment deadline. you have colorado who is an ally he is not

. >> max baucus, the chairman of the finance committee was a client of mine for many years. max is the kind of guy that's very quiet. he's also the one that wrote this law and said way back four or five months ago, there's a train wreck coming if you're not careful about the implementation of this. i've talked to baucus about it. and he said he doesn't have a problem with the plan itself. he has a problem with the distribution of information. >> well, he also -- he also looked captain sebelius in the eye and said, you said november 30th, you're going to get done by november 30th, right? and she said, yeah. were you confident in her testimony? >> i have never thought they should put a date on it. i think they could have said soon and then tried to define that along the way. max baucus is a refreshing, mature voice on this issue. it also shows what a democrat who is not running for reelection in a red state can do. and that means he can be completely and perfectly honest with them while the rest of the democrats were saying, oh, the president didn't lie, he didn't lie. maybe ed

connell: max baucus was questioning sebelius earlier questioning the operation because they were notorthcoming. said everything would be fine and then it turned out it wasn't and he wants them to be more forthcoming with the information we don't just wake up on the deadline the administration has set to get the problems fixed and final they haven't fixed the problems. asking why not just shut the website down. say you don't gain too much from doing so. does not damage it all that much nor make it all that much harder to fix the website. reuters is recording the co zero says they expect there will be an extension of the open enrollment expected to go at least another five months or so, but they say because of the problems with the website, they expect open enrollment could be months further into the future even into next year. connell: thank you for the setup from capitol hill. as we bring in brookings senior fellow. always good to have you, sir. max baucus is a democrat, you sought rich edson just played, he was really pressing the secretarsecretary in the last ht you had your issues

>> my winner is max baucus of april of this year who stood up and said implementation is going to bein wreck. my loser is max baucus in september in this year who having being given a tongue lashing by the white house said don't worry i think the train is going to keep running. poor max. >> more train metaphors. >> charles? >> loser mary landrieu. she is a democratic senator up for louisiana. desperate about the obamacare. she needs a vote where she can say i voted affirmatively in trying to aloud people to keep the plans. she didn't get a vote. she is going to need one badly. the winner, mohammed zariff foreign minister of iran. it looks as if our side is caving on the interim agreement and we are actually going to silently or implicitly grand. it doesn't have a right of enrichment. >> no aspersions on the jonas brothers. that's it for the panel. stay tuned for surprising peek at the way macy's is planning to celebrate thanksgiving. results from our s.r. bingthan pulse. e get it. ah, uh. i don't want you to pay for this. it's not happening, honey. let her get it. she got her safe dr

you brought up max baucus. >> let's see how much can be put together and how much humpty dumpty can be put together. then maybe we should start thinking about delaying the penalties. >> what was it, eric, all the king's horses and all the king' men -- >> and all the liberals in dc couldn't put obamacare back together again.uldn greg is right, as soon as they fix the web site -- 'cause thean other shoe to drop is 90 or 95% of the people who are logging o0 who are enrolling enrolling for medicaid. not for obamacare.are they realize that all thatllin medicaid, when you enroll it, it's taking money out of the, system, not putting it in.it i 95% are going to be taking out,t juan. this thing is doomed for failure. >> i'm glad you feel that way. but let me say that those people are eligible. they could have signed on any time. >> right. >> but the reason they signed on now is because of the higher the profile and the promise that obamacare gives to americans of all stripes who say you know what?all people should have insurance -- >> that's not accurate.lari >> here is why.ng go to the web sit

max baucus, the chairman, has banged the gavel and health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius seat for now. she has been defending the white house decision on the obamacare website and getting it up and running. she testified this morning before that senate finance committee. the secretary said taking down the site would not help the effort to get it fixed but republican senator from georgia john any isakson said while the site continues to have problems he is more concerned with privacy. >> don't you think there should be similar requirement nationwide by your department that no navigator gets private information unless they have a background check. >> we wrote requirements for navigators mowermirror what many plates have in place for licensed insurance agents and then added a provision that states, could indeed additional requirements. some have chosen to and some have not. >> georgia republican senator john any isakson joins us live with the hearing now ended. senator isakson what are your concerns over privacy regarding obamacare? >> first of all qssi who was just hired to

obama care passed is that the administration dithered and dithered, and twiddled its thumbs so that max baucusck grassley could come out with a plan. time and time again in the health care area. >> he level it mostly to capitol hill democrats. >> the democrats have made overtures to republicans that other members of his party have just rebelled at. >> well, on this particular issue, ron johnson has a bill. do you think he'll call ron johnson and work with him? >> i would throw your question back at you. that's a good thing in media training. >> it's called "crossfire." >> where has the republicans' willingness to tweak, save, improve obama care. unless there's a willingness to do that, it's hard to imagine a common ground to meet on other than hi, i'm here, i surrender independents who would the president be negotiating with? let's take a look. >> do you like green eggs and ham? i do not like them, sam i am. i do not like green eggs and ham. >> 46 votes to defund, derail or repeal obama care. hundreds of am cuss briefs. who wants to work with the preside. >> so the president mass worked with r

you had democrats like dianne feinstein or max baucus or a liberal like barbara boxer say they were worried about this step. they're institutionalists, they wanted to protect the rules and the way things worked, but even they have been driven over the edge by the litany of obstruction that you opened the segment with. really, and you know, chuck grassley and mitch mcconnell went too far by saying simply apointing judges to the d.c. circuit was quote packing, they forced the hand of the democrats. they cannot be reasoned with or compromised with. this is obstruction, and democrats went along with harry reid and said we'll do it. >> dinah washington's song, what a difference a day makes. for the president's enemies, their motives behind blocking appointments is to attack the president's agenda, of course his character, and legitimacy. they do it all the time with blocked appointments, in fact, it's a reason to attack the health care law. here's mitch mcconnell speaking in the senate earlier today. >> here's the problem with this latest distraction. it doesn't distract people from obama care.

. >> the head of the senate finance committee democrat max baucus told sebelius back in april he saw the affordable care act as a huge train wreck. >>> a fund is collecting money to help a man pay medical bills after being set on fire on an ac transit bus. 18-year-old high school senior sasha fleischman was sleeping on the bus monday evening and woke up to found his clothes in flames. police used surveillance images from the bus and talked to a number of witnesses to finally arrest the 16-year-old suspect. he was escorted to jail right from class at oakland high. fleischman is listed in stable condition. >>> eight people are homeless in san francisco after a fire gutted through this outer richmond building. the two-alarm fire started before 4:00 this morning. flames quickly spread to the roof. that building has homes, retailtions and a church. everyone -- retail shops and a church. everyone got out safely. >>> parks in san francisco will soon be off limits overnight. the board of supervisors voted yesterday to shut them down between midnight and 5 a.m. supporters say it will reduce v

max baucus says he believes in the affordable care act. but -- >> months ago i warned if the implementation didn't improve, the marketplaces might struggle. >> reporter: and struggle they have. but the woman behind the launch tells senators today problems are being fixed. health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius says people are signing up and with better results. >> a month ago, viewing and filtering health plan s took minutes. today it takes seconds. consumers used to see a blapg screen at the end of the application process. today they see whether they're eligible for financial assistance. >> reporter: and she cites figures for premiums she says are 16% lower than had been estimated. some senators don't see those savings citing millions of americans who have been notified their current policies are going away. >> these insurance cancellation notices are awake up to the american public even ones who initially support the law. it's hurting the economy, it's actually making health insurance less affordable. >> reporter: republic

you've had democrats like dianne feinstein or max baucus or barbara boxer say they were worried about this step, they wanted to protect the rules and the way things worked. even they have been driven over the edge by that litany of obstruction that you opened this segment with. really, when you -- you know, chuck grassley and mitch mcconnell they went too far by saying that simply appointing judges to the d.c. circuit was court packing, they forced the hands of the democrats. they cannot be reasoned with or compromised with. this is obstruction and democrats went along with harry reid and said we'll do it. >> as i said, dinah washington, what a difference a day makes. this is going to be remembered. for the president's enemies, attacking the president's agenda, his character and legitima legitimacy, they do all the time. this is the senate's top roochlt here's mitch mcconnell speaking in the senate earlier today. >> here's the problem with this latest distraction. it doesn't distract people from obama care. it reminds them of obama care. it reminds them of all the broken promises. it

democrats saying, including max baucus, a delay. the administration is saying no delay. why?our doctor, you'll be able to keep him, that's a lie. this business that the president has said about obamacare is just not true. frankly, it's proven to be not true. not only that, but it's going to cost an arm and a leg. people aren't going to be able to keep their own policies in most cases. it is really a dog. even the grandfather clause doesn't work. now the president is changing his tune and saying that, well -- >> senator, is there panic amongst democrats after they saw how close the margin of victory was for mcauliffe over cuccinelli after the debauchle which is obamacare? are they concerned they're going to lose the senate? >> cuccinelli would have won if a couple senators hadn't shut down the government. frankly, he would have won if he'd have been able to just further explore for another two weeks how really bad obamacare is. yeah, they're concerned. especially those who are up. the democrats have more people up than republicans this time in the senate and they're very conce

forward but there's not that much separation between what democrats are talking about and chairman max baucus put out something today, chairman of the finance committee, what dave camp over in the house has talked about, this should be bridgeable. the one thing i would caution is -- i've said this to the business roundtable and other corporate leaders who i have talked to, people like the idea of corporate tax reform in theory. in practice, if you want to make the corporate tax reform deficit neutral, then you actually have to close some loopholes and people like the idea of a simpler tax system until it's their particular loophole that's about to get closed and what we can't afford to do is to keep all of the loopholes that are currently in place and lower the corporate tax rate. we would then blow another hole in the deficit that would have to be filled and what i'm not willing to do is to have higher rates on the middle class in order to pay for that. >> some of the ceos had a working group. the first priority was immigration reform. the u.s. needs immigration reform to retain talented wor

happening tom that we're going to see in the fight that's coming up in january and february you have max baucus dianne feinstein joe manchin chris coons tom carper durbin all of the folks that are wall street democrats have already decided that poor people and the middle class working poor don't matter anymore because the nature of politics now is poor people do. don't have lobbyist poor people don't give people like dianne feinstein money they get their money from wall street billionaires and so they you have a wall street an arm of the democratic party that has been getting bigger and bigger that is the wall street democrat that has their hand out they know hillary's getting to run getting getting ready to run and they know hillary's going to need money from wall street just like bill clinton took so much money from wall street just like obama took so much money from wall street so if the mismatch is has become so incredible incredibly one sided that short of some spectacular decision by the supreme court that we're never going to see where we take politics in money and separate the two we're

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max baucus is working on tax reform legislation. that's where taxes should be dealt with. if we take tax loopholes and put them in this budget process, we are short changing tax reform. our goal is to get rates down and get to a 25% rate in an internationally competitive system and we don't want to shortchange that. those so-called loopholes are needed to bring the rates down and get people back to work. on the spending side, we're willing to trade some spending cuts across the board in crude in sequester for other spending cuts on the entitlement side of the budget. that's a trade we're willing to look at and what we're discussing right now. >> is there any progress on that front? >> patty and i are in continual conversation. we have made progress. we're farther than we were when we started but we do not have an agreement and we do have difference of opinions. you mentioned one of them. we're still going to try to work out our differences. the way i look at this is the bottom line what we ought to do is something that is good for the deficit meaning are we reducing the de

even delay the entire individual mandate a year, and we heard this week from max baucus. a senator who helped write obama care. >> maybe we should start thinking about penalizing the mandates. it's not their fault for mistakes that the government made. >> should they be delayed? >> no, if the website is working by november 30th, people will have a full four months to sign up and that's no reason to delay them and i don't think you can prejudge now. if it's not adequately working, it's a whole new question. i think it will be up and running by november 30th, and if not we'll have a renewed debate. but to call for it 30 days before it's debuted i think is a mistake. >> mr. capretta, you have the final 30 seconds uninterrupted. >>> we were told all year long it would be ready to go and don't delay the individual mandate. you have millions of people losing their coverage based on the promise they will have something working in 30 days. the window is closing. we should delay the whole thing for a year. this is health care after all, not a minor matter. we should not play fast

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chairman, a montana democrat senator max baucus, was a chief author of the 2010 law.ut when hhe has concerns about health care website and a potential security risk that the polls for consumers. >> an agreement has been reached to delay the cancellation of individual health-insurance policies. it was announced yesterday by the state's insurance commissioner dave jones. he says that more than 115,000 policyholders will keep their lower-priced insurance coverage to the first three months of 2014. blue shield of california planned to cancel policies on december 31st. jones i objected that the company gave customers as 90 days notice when they were required to give six months. >> we will continue following the latest with the amber alert that has been issued operate one month old baby was taken from an apartment complex. we will have more on the story coming up. i want you to know stuff i want you to be kind. i want you to be smart. super smart. i want one thing in a doctor. i want you to be handsome. i want you to be awesome. i don't want you to look at the chart before

you have leading democratic senators like max baucus going after her, this iserious. it should be. this rollut this product is a bust. neil: have any of your colleagues gone to say, particularly the democtic ones, all right, you are the reason, you have to go? several republicans incding me have said that, i don't think any democrats have said. but you are seeing some khinks in thagin the armor. neil: do you think this thing, as we know it, the is dead? this law between the sloppy roll t, prohibited prices for folks, a lot of folks who are switching, it is not wit ready r primetime, they will start over or democrats fighting tooth and nail? >> well, i would certainly not y it is clear that it's either dead or up for major revisions, there is a lot of rhetori talk and promises, but no major changes to the law, the left is still dug in over it i don't think we can declare that victory now, at all. but this law certainly bed on roll out is trouble. neil: reality is, many folks are pang more, about 4 milli fewer americans he coverage since before the law became the law, now reports out

here is what senator max baucus had to say in today's heang. >> you have to tell us what is going on can didly, fully, totally. >> yes. >> so we don't wake up in end of the november, lo and behold still not the ye gerri: senatoryou have to ask yourself if the president is losing credibility? >> one measure that is because at loveeople in your business, you know, t media and media has been so friendly to him for five years a when they start attackingim. and also when you see the midnight s that are, everybody watches and they make fun of thigs that are going on in this admistration, you know that they're kind of on the edge. and i would think that it would be a real worry for the president. gerri: well, she was getting shot from all side today. orrin hatch, the senator, talking about the disasterous rollout. here's what he had to say. >> madam secretary, while i'm glad y are accepting responsibility for this disasterous rolollout, i would have preferred that you and the rest of the administration were honest with us to begin with. -@no more caveats.. no more excuses. no more spin. jus

. >> i would exempt max baucus.he said this is a train wreck coming down the tracks. >> but he didn't say it on day one when he voted for it. pat, thank you. >>> straight ahead, donald trump says president obama is just delaying the lie for a year. what does he mean by that? also mike tyson. what is he up to now.at is he p . >>> let's go off the record for a minute. remember president obama's big transparency promise in the "new york times" would probably call it an incorrect promise. yes, that's right, another one. there is no reason to believe the obama administration actually believes in transparency. a.p. photographers can't take pictures of the president. nsa spying scandal is anything but transparent. and now the latest transparency failure. kennedy was sworn in and it was closed to the press. she was taking an oath to the united states. that is not exactly national security secrets. so the state department gets an f, too, because they released still pictures of ambassador kennedy at the swearing in ceremony b

remember when max baucus said it looks like a train wreck? the president announced it today.disaster. the president cannot keep his word on the this. whether you want to argue they knowingly said it or just repeated it, 5 million americans have lost their plans. do you think the president said it can go another year so the state insurance companies can snap their fingers and go back? >> he didn't say through 2014. he said into 2014. all he's doing is kicking the can down the road until he breaks his promise. why? this is why people despise washington. he's doing it for the 2014 mid-terms, not because he believes it that's the truth. >> can i tell you the fix? >> keep your word. >> the requirement to increase the coverage levels causes people to lose their policies. the idea was excellent to have coverage for pre-existing coverage and other essential requirements. what we didn't take into account and we made mistakes that have to be corrected is we impose requirements and we have to withdraw them. >> 2300 pages of law that nancy employee see said we won't know what's in it unt

they warned the white house through the press and privately max baucus thought it was going to be a traink. >> one is implea member station and rollout which has been bad. but there is also the substance. i mean, the substance is pretty much still -- the substance of how we even fund this. i mean, that still remains, we haven't even hit that part whether or not young people are going to come out in droves and buy this and support it. we haven't even hit that part. that's been there since day one. >> that's going to be, i think continue to be -- the web site you think is going to get fixed, okay. it's young people. and in the breakdown at hhs release, the administration release. there is no break down of young people vs. old people. 100,000 plus are likely sicker people. they are not medicare. medicare is not part of this. probably between 50 and 64, something along those lines. and probably pretty ill. unless they get the young people though sign up. then you are going to have premiums skyrocket. >> are republicans gloating at this point on capitol hill? >> oh, yeah. they took a beating i

earlier this week max baucus threw out some ideas.ppy the conversation is getting started. and weak results from target today. ceo saying, quote, consumer spending remains constrained which has a lot of people worried about the low end consumer during the holiday season. and of course i'm always thinking obama care and for a lot of people, that's when their first premiums are going to be due. and for a lot of them, the first time they have to pay this and they will have on budget that around christmastime. >> and good for david coate. he wants 25%. bravo. thanks for helping us. >>> now, today senate democrats adopted new rules on the so-called filibuster. it's a long term tradition to protect the minority party. instead of 60 vote, now 51 is enough to confirm judicial and executive appointments. but years ago when the democrats are in the line ority, they warned of dire consequences if the gop ever used the nuclear option. listen to then senator biden in 2005. we'll be right back with that story. >> this nuclear option is ultimately a

take a listen to max baucus, democrat today questioning kathleen sebelius. >> why not just shut it down it together the way it should be put together? then you pointed out that you're one-off fixes tend to have unintended consequences down the road. >> it's been advised that you don't gain much from just taking the whole system down for a week, a couple of weeks. it's better to do this on an ongoing basis. >> judge, do it on an ongoing basis. you've got privacy concerns. >> right. >> you've got all kinds of things happening. >> you have ordinary, middle american and lower middle class folk who are legitimately trying to protect themselves in the president's signature issue and they can't get it down. senator menendez said the republicans are only trying to destroy this for four years. the public is learning it doesn't work. and the public is putting pressure on those democrats that met with the president. some of them are seriously vulnerable in 2014. they need a fix right now. i think you're going to see pressure from them along the lines of what senator baucus just suggested because m

max baucus is working on tax reform legislation. that is were taxes should be dealt with. we do not want to short change tax reform. if we take tax loopholes and put them in this budget process, we are shortchanging tax reform. our goal is to get our rates down. our goal is to get to a 25% rate in international competitive system. we do not want to short change that. the loopholes are needed to bring those down to grow the economy and get people back to work. on the spending side, we are willing to trade spending cuts that are across the board. that is a trade we are willing to look at. that is a discussing now. >> you're willing to ease the sequester limits. >> if we can get entitlement reform. >> we are having conversations. we do not have an agreement. we have differences of opinions. you mentioned one of them. we're going to try to work out differences. the bottom line, what we ought to do is something that is good for the deficit. are we reducing the deficit or not. that is point number one. i more than happy to cut spending in a smarter way to replace of these across

questions from the senate finance committee and the committee chair, max baucus, the chief author of the 2010 law. questions are expected about the website rollout and potential security risks for consumer private information. as you know, she testified one week ago to the republican run house commerce committee. lawmakers from both parties have an traduced rival bills that would let people retain their existing health insurance policies but administration officials refused to state their views on those proposals on tuesday. >> we will come to order. in february, 1950 eight, against the backdrop of a divided nation , a junior senator from massachusetts spoke at a college in baltimore. the young senator, named john kennedy, said -- let us not despair the act. let us not seek the republican answer or the democratic answer, but the right answer. let us not seek to fix the blame for the past, let us accept our own responsibility for the future. ". more than 55 years later, jfk's advice reigns true. it is important to remember now as we implement the affordable care act. five weeks ago th

do you have democrat max baucus not just any democrat, chairman of the senate finance committee, veryall this. he has kathleen sebelius coming to his committee next week. he said in a local radio interview in montana that he's not thinking that maybe the fines will have to be delayed because people are not able to enroll. now, if you have a senior democrat like that suggesting that that may be the case, he's retiring. not up for re-election in 2014. not just political pressure back home. suggesting there's no pressure on the wo hite house to tweak ts law. >> the website wants your personal information. what if i told you that people fixing it, you know, they already have it. so there i was again, explaining my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoas to another new stylist. it was a total earrassment. and t the kind of attention wanted. so i had a serus talk with my dermatologt about my treatment options. this time, she prescribed humira-adalimumab. humira helps tclear the surface of my skin by actuallrking inside my body. in clinical trials, most adults with moderatekin to severe plaq

i'm with democratic chairman of the senate finance committee max baucus who indicated train wreck. he said last week shut down the website until you get it fixed because right now people aren't getting accurate prices on those websites. they are not getting accurate information about the subsidies they are eligible for from those websites and their private information is not protected because privacy standards aren't there. so you're putting yourself vulnerable, making yourself vulnerable to hackers. get it fixed. what they are finding now is for every problem they solve three more problems crop up. they got to shut the thing down and delay all these mandates until they get it fixed up. >> bob, let me look at this. me, i think the chances of them shutting this down and delaying, delaying is slim to none. i might be wrong. there's a suggestion that delays will be very costly. they may not be able -- the insurance companies may be out of whack, they may not have enough premiums coming into the cover their own costs under a delayed scenario. how big a problem might that be. >> i think

think today, actually, max baucus, the chairman of the finance committee, is going to present a plan which he's been working on, i think with dave camp in the house, on corporate tax reform. of greast interest here to our audience and the taxation of overseas earnings. there's a lot of, as you know you hear frit c.e.o.'s and others a lot of concern about this issue. i don't know how much you've had a chance to see this late proast posal. do you think what this proposal or something else in the course of the budget negotiation this may be an opportunity to deal with this issue which worries a lot of business people. >> i talked to senator baucus. i think it's a constructive step he's putting forward a draft. i look forward to studying the details. from what i understand it shares some significant characteristics with the president's framework which i actually think has a certain amount of convergence between democrats and republicans. i thope hope that republicans engage with him on it. i hope that democrats engage with him on it. what we saw in the middle of october is when you let a

we heard from max baucus, the senator who helped write obamacare, here he is. >> maybe we should startthinking about delaying penalties. it is not right to penalize people for mistakes the government has made because the exchange isn't working. >> should the penalties be delayed beyond march 31? >> no, they should not be delayed beyond march 31. if the website is working by november 30 people then will have a full four months to sign up and that is no reason to delay. and i don't think you can prejudge now. if it's working adequately by november 30 that's a whole new question. it's way premature to talk about it. i think it's going to be up and running by november 30. if it's not we can have a renewed debate. but to call for it now 30 days before it is even debuted i think is a mistake. >> mr. capretta, you get the final 30 seconds uninterrupted. >> if we were told all year long it was going to be ready to go and don't delay the individual mandate at this point you've got millions of people losing coverage based on the promise they are going to have something that isn't working today w