president mazzucco: so moved. >> second. president mazzucco: thank you, everybody.

commission president thomas mazzucco? president mazzucco: present. >> commissioner dejesus? >> en route. >> commissioner carol kingsley? >> present. >> commission president, you have a quorum. president mazzucco: thank you. welcome to the december 12, -- the december 1, 2010 session. we have a light calendar, but we will have several hearings in closed session. we always move to be transparent, but these officers have rights and these matters are not for public consumption. with that in mind, please call line item number one, public comment. >> item 1, public comment. members of the public may address the police commission for a time determined by the chair, not to exceed three minutes, on items that are within the subject matter of jurisdiction of the commission but do not appear on the agenda. president mazzucco: i would like to note that with the commission tonight is the assistant chief and director from the office of civil complaints. any public comment on matters that pertain to the san francisco police department? good evening, how are you? >> good evening. my pleasur

president mazzucco: it sounds as we have a plan. we will move forward with that in mind. >> we can tell the public our commitment is to conduct these listening sessions before we begin interviews, correct? president mazzucco: i think we can start accepting applications and review the applications. >> i meant the interviews, though. president mazzucco: the actual interviews themselves should be done as we finish our last community meeting, but we can start betting the applications -- vetting the applications. >> for my part, i would like to ensure the community we want to listen in how we ask questions of these candidates. we will learn things as we listen. president mazzucco: for future reference, starting with next week, african put on as a personnel matter in closed session -- if we can put on as a personnel matter in closed session for each week the chief selection process, if we have time we could reduce some applications those evenings so we have that continuing in our agendas. thank you, everybody. commissioner hammer: i think

president mazzucco: lt. reilley ran the last police chief surgeon on his own and did not have a the suggestion would be maybe we should schedule with these three meetings -- and did thes/t a quorum.ings -- and did the suggestion would be maybe we should schedule these three meetings. let us pick some dates and schedule the first meeting as a quorum 15 days from today, 15 days from tomorrow, which is a thursday evening. secretary reilly: we could do that. we have to confirm that location and make sure the location is available tomorrow in order to make the 15 days. commissioner hammer: just briefly, the think you were reading of my notes. i agree with everything you have said in terms of the number of meetings and the locations. i am open to accepting them if others are as well. i think it provides access to people from different parts of the city. i think the most important stakeholders are police officers, 2000 folks about to be led by somebody else. i want to hear their opinions about what they think they

president mazzucco: all in favor?we are now moving to closed president mazzucco: we are back in closed session. >> item 10, adjournment. president mazzucco: all in favor? thank you. >> welcome to "culturewire." for the past year, the arts commission has been participating in the city's effort to revitalize the central market street corridor. in addition to the thursday arts market and are in store front, the art commission recently launched the artery project. for the next year, the artery project will bring energy and excitement to market street, recalling the st.'s heyday as san francisco's vibrant and bustling theater district. >> un.n plaza during business hours seize hundreds of passing office workers and students, but the activity winds down at 5:00 every day. theater productions bring some but traffic, but central market is more of a thoroughfare than a destination after the sun goes down. on december 9, the artery project's launch brought a party atmosphere to market street, led by mayor gavin newsom, city off

president mazzucco: thank you, chief. secretary falvey: we move on to the next one. >> good evening, chief, director hicks, i work for the internal affairs division. tonight, i'm here to duty of your presentations. -- to do the presentations. there was a meeting convened on december 21, 2010. several members of the command staff as well as commissioner chan and commissioner dejesus and direct hicks attended. there were four officer-involved shootings. we will start with the officer- involved to discharge. that occurred on august 9, 2010. that was found to be not in policy. there is a quick synopsis of the event. i will go over but. the officer, while manipulating his firearm, and intensely discharged his spiral. there were no injuries. it was not in policy. the first of the four shootings that were involved, the first one was 09-004. this event occurred on september 5, 2009. after reviewing this case, it was found to be in policy. the situation or the incident of the officers dispatched to that street regarding a person.

president mazzucco: thank you very much. we do not normally respond to these, but the chief wanted to respond to you and tell me as much as he can. they keep for coming. -- i thank you for coming. >> i want you to come in the hallway, because i want to talk to you, and we do have information related to the investigation. i am not privy to discussing it in public, but i am with homicide, and i can tell you that things are being done, and i can tell you that leads are being made, and the investigation is going through. those words are coming from me. i can tell you that we are working on it. we did not drop the investigation. we are working on it. i will tell everyone in this room that i have a blackberry that goes off at 2:00 in the morning. members of the ssgs -- fpd -- sfpd respond to these, and sometimes they get confrontational with me when i tell them they have to go home, when they do not want to. i can tell you that the death of your brother has been investigated, and i can tell you that we have leads, but i want to te

thank you, president mazzucco. i agree that we need to -- i guess i'm confused listening to commissioner hammer and commissioner dejesus. on one hand i hear people endorsing the process the commission went through a year and a half ago and not wanting to redo the work that has recently been done, but on the other hand, wanting and meeting. i agree we need input from the public in figuring out the best way to get it in an efficient manner. commissioners mazzucco and hammer, i met with the mayor shortly before our meeting last week and he expressed tremendous confidence in the commission's ability to do this but he did suggests he wanted a thoughtful process. he wanted an expeditious process and i agree with that. i have got no answer, but i'm concerned about opening up -- on the one hand, i very much want to hear and agree and figure out a way to get public comment efficiently and quickly, but i get concerned when we talk about setting up a process that could take a number of months and maybe that is inevitable that

president mazzucco: anything else? we normally hold public comment until we have had the report from captain mannix. two people want to say something. i do want to take you out of turn. yes? use the microphone. public comment is closed to three minutes. -- is kept to three minutes. >> you mentioned -- pardon my voice. you were examining memphis, tennessee. isn't that one of those cities that is three cities? las vegas and san francisco have decided not to deploy tasers to officers. if that is the case, how does memphis to deal with mentally ill people? that is my question. >> the answer is yes. [inaudible] the question whether memphis is one of those cities, they're one of the major cities that does not. las vegas does have a taser. we want to see what they are doing today. i can tell you that i looked in 2002, and when we started to go in the field, which we will do again, we found out that often, the teams that were trained, by the time they got to the scene, events have already taken place. we have to see what they

commission president thomas mazzucco. commissioner mazzucco: present. >> dr. joe marshall? commissioner mazzucco: i think he is en route. >> commissioner dejesus? commissioner mazzucco: en route. commissioner chan: present. commissioner kingsley: present. commissioner slaughter: present. commission -- >> commission president, you have a quorum. commissioner mazzucco: welcome to the january 5, 2010 meeting of the police commission. usually, we come out to a particular neighborhood. we have the commissioners introduce themselves and tell you a little bit about themselves, what they do in their day jobs. they say the commission job is a night job and a part-time job. i think i will have a unanimous decision that it is not a part- time job. they dedicate a lot of time and money in terms of their efforts as attorneys, handling mediation, handling disciplinary cases, fielding calls from the press, and i would like to thank them for their hard work. what i would like to do is have each commissioner introduce themselves and tell you a little bit about themselves. commissioner hamme

i would second what commissioner mazzucco said. i think it is critical that this working group help inform the best practices

president mazzucco: thank you, chief. any questions?commissioner hammer: could you talk to us a little bit about the homicide rate that is going on? has the department thought through any way in which these homicides are tied together, why it is double last year's rate? with the small data set, it is hard to extrapolate. but what the sea with the trends so far and what we are doing to reverse it? >> i did not see any trends. before i came to the meeting this evening, i compared this year's homicides to the last four years. it is higher than it was last year. it is for higher. i have looked around the region and have noticed that the homicide rate for the three largest cities -- oakland, san jose, and san francisco -- are all higher than there were last year. i think we are noticing not only in the bay area but across the area -- across the country that there has been an increase in violence. there have been 13 police officer shot in the last six days across the country, four of them fatally. no one is sure if this is a random statistica

commissioner mazzucco: mr. ortega, if you could have your counsel get in contact with the secretary's office. >> item 4b, scheduling of items identified for consideration of future commission meetings. commissioner mazzucco: i had asked earlier in the day a reminder of a breakdown for what is on our calendar for the future month or so. obviously, we will have to work some into that. >> coming up next week, tentatively is a secured communities report. a report from the training division. that might be pushed back a little bit. discussion regarding commission priorities. an update for matters that were discussed at the retreat back in october. the week after that, there is a consent item, the occ document protocol reward executive order 2010. that report will be brought up on the 19th as well. and then, fdrb and oas quarterly reports. firearms discharge review board. the week after that, consent items. the occ's quarterly report. the sparks report, also tentatively set for february 2. revised use of firearms disc

president mazzucco: all in favor? favor? we are now moving to closed president mazzucco: we are back in closed session. >> item 10, adjournment. president mazzucco: all in favor? thank you. >> the commission does not tolerate any outbursts, clapping, speaking out of order, etc. please turn off all mobile devices that may sound off during the proceedings. when speaking before the commission, please speak directly into the microphone and state your name for the record. at this time, i would like to take roll. [roll call] commissioner borden has not yet arrived. first up on your calendar our consideration of items proposed for continuance. item one, case 2010.0758d 4 greenwich street is proposed for continuance of february 3. in 3 for 950 mason st. is proposed for continuance to april 14, 2011. commissioners, items 4a and d that appear under your continuance calendar do not need to be acted upon as they will be re-notice prior to the hearing date. i need to advise the commissioners also of a clerical error that omitted t

commissioner mazzucco: thank you. further public comment? hearing none, please call item 6. >> item 6 is a vote on whether to hold a closed session. an action item. >> i have a question, one of order, before we vote. we do not have the city attorney here tonight, do we? so, perhaps, chief, if you can, one of the items we are going to consider in closed session is to the public, we get these in a closed session regularly, an officer-involved shooting. there is a presentation, a professional one of the preliminary investigation going on within the department. because there's so many questions about these that the public really wants to know, beyond the mere press conference, i would like to explore the idea -- is there a way beyond the closed session items we do in your mind, that we could have a full presentation about these things, so the public could hear perhaps as questions from us? i think it would help dispel the question people sometimes have about these shootings. is it simply a city attorney question? >> i think we probably need to h

president mazzucco; dr. marshall. commissioners can understand you're wanting to get the public in but i want us to take the -- they got to know what we're thinking here. if we have to take a little more time to firm it up the best we can tonight, i would like to do that. i would like, you know, we have got some dates now. they kind of know what we are thinking. they haven't voted on anything but some beginning and end dates, a little bit of -- about the process. i just want to underscore. i just want to -- no matter what, the poovel candidates is going to be limited -- pool of candidates is going to be limited. if there is somebody wonderful out there, you know, who knows that -- i could be gone no matter if i'm the greatest cop who ever lived, who may be here or someplace else, so if we don't get a ,000 applications, remember, it has nothing to do with the commission. it has to do with the realities of things. we're moving through with the process that we can best carve out despite that. >> i agree with dr. marshall

note -- president mazzucco: thank you. commissioner dejesus? commissioner dejesus: last year, it was roughly half of the department that had the training. it is still only half of the department that has had the training, and that is very disconcerting. one of the things that we talked about since the audit came out, the department was certainly concerned about training the rest of the officers, getting the training as soon as possible, and i of concern about whether or not the department is really training the officers beat -- and i have concern about whether or not the department is really training the officers. if you have almost 2000 people in the department, and there is no focus in getting that training, and that is alarming to me. even if you do three times as many officers, that is a drop in the bucket considering the number of officers out there without the training, without knowing how to use the weapon, because that is what they do in the mental health community. they do not shoot to their people. they do not taser their people. they

president mazzucco and believe that when we decided to put this on, that the husband is, mental health issues and taser husband is are -- issues are separate. the pros and cons. whether to -- the department commission ought to have some program involved should be considered separately from how the department and the commission ought to approach making sure that our force is appropriately and best trained to deal with mental health issues. but commissioner dejesus, i don't think you were suggesting if somebody were to raise mental health issues they would be cut off. we welcome, we need, we absolutely must have as broad a public comment and input into the question of whether to introduce tasers as one of the weapons in the arsenal of the course and obviously, every affected portion of our community should be permitted to present and hope and expect and that is certainly what was discussed at our meeting last week when we set it for february 9. i do as commissioner chan and commissioner moos ukeo consider it as sprt -- mazzucco consider it as separate. it obviously doesn't mean that some

opinion, mazzucco and i man to quickly act on that. some of our officers are in memphis, coming back tomorrow studying a model they have there for crisis model teams. not every confrontation allows a team to come in but there are some who could, a barricaded suspect, i know one of the options they are looking at is bringing in new techniques in san francisco so we have the best possibility to save lives. there will be more questions when the chief speaks but we hear folks loud and clear, it's all of our problem and when someone suffers mental illness, we owe it to them to do everything we can to keep them safe as well. >> i've worked in mental the past two years. i was helped by the one client. and i just love that. [inaudible] >> at a safe distance and there could be signals to intervene once nonviolent escalation by psych tech failed. how much community input will you get before or after the 20th. because we are studying a task force with the public defender's office, with the homeless coalition and the mental health association and