and a nay is a vote to get rid of mccarthy. yea means for mccarthy, nay means against mccarthy.manu pointed out the no votes are significant as well. we'll get to that -- >> you see the democrat, jake, moved over. >> yeah, the democrat either made a mistake or somebody said what on earth are you doing? >> yeah. >> he said, oh, i think this is nonsense. and he said, you're going to get primaried -- i'm making that all up. >> and the other thing to look at is pres. that's present. prior to the caucus meeting, you're nodding your head, the other thing i heard, they were considering voting present. why? because what voting present does is bring the overall threshold, manu was saying if everybody is there, it's 218. it brings the overall threshold of what is needs down which could make it easier, in this case, to sort of cut through all of the procedure here. make it easier for kevin mccarthy to survive, without actually having to vote to making him to survive. you're nodding your head but my impression, after this morning's caucus is that democrats are not going to do that anymore.

mccarthy gave them the weapon. and to harry and abby's point, the maga -- this is a maga conference. these eight are different. there's something else different going on here. >> one quick point here, the last meeting we heard about behind closed doors the other day, somebody called matt gaets a scumbag, it just devolved. it was disgusting and unprofessional and inappropriate. do we have any reason to believe what's about to happen in half an hour will be any different? >> no. >> they booed him on the floor today. >> they dislike him vehemently, and this is going to be much, much worse. you can't remove him for being a jek. but he'll pay some kind of price. >> it is going to be incredible. this moment that's about to happen. unprecedented moment. and of course, donald trump is now reacting to the chaos on capitol hill in his own party. will the former president and current republican front-runner weigh in on the scramble to replace speaker kevin mccarthy? a person he's supported, but of course, he also supports gae

views. >> is this a personal disagreement you have with mccarthy? >> it is funny i come out here and i have been doing this for a number of days with you and i lay out in technical or the specific areas of breaching the agreements, breaching the suspension rule, blowing past the top line, and yet the mccarthy operation continues to try and make this some sort of personal beef. no one seems to be eager in engaging me on the substance of my argument, which is that we need to return to pre-covered spending. what some people try to make every single policy disagreement personnel because they are personally embarrassed from their own failures. this has nothing to do with a personality. this has to do with breach of agreement. i laid that breach out weeks ago. you all covered it, and i said these are the areas of breach that have to be rectified. instead of getting efforts to resolve that, we heard the speaker flustered, and that is not a strong enough agreement. >> [indiscernible] >> are you concerned that some conservatives who agree that mccarthy -- pr

mccarthy. congressman scalise seems to have the confidence of some of the right flank, but this could be a very painful process. we saw how painful it was to elect the speaker in the first place. and we also see congressman jim jordan who chairs the house judiciary committee, he has been able to straddle good relationships with leadership as well as the maga movement in the party. and if not him, presumably congressman tom emmer of minnesota, he led the arm of the party responsible for electing house republicans. so one could guess that he has relationships with republicans across the country. and so now we'll see who will take up the mantle. >> and i should point out emmer did not support scalise. and you know kevin mccarthy well. he helped support you in your bid for congress. which of course you actually lost in the republican primary due in no small part to some of the factors that we're seeing play out here and part of why kevin mccarthy wanted you here was because he wants people as he sa

some mccarthy allies reportedly reached out to democrats, quote, begging them to vote for mccarthy. and that clearly didn't happen. democratic leader hakeem jeffries, huddling with fellow democrats behind closed doors this morning. they emerged with a unified plan. democrats would not save kevin mccarthy. and after that meeting, the progressive caucus chair said this. >> let them wallow in their incompetence. we're not voting in any way that would help save speaker mccarthy. we trust kevin mccarthy, and we are not saving kevin mccarthy. >> they made that pretty clear, huh? joining me now is democratic congresswoman ilhan omar of minnesota. congresswoman, it's a pleasure to have you here. i need to get your initial reaction to the ouster of kevin mccarthy maybe a surprise, but maybe not considering what the numbers were. >> yeah, i mean kevin has brought this onto himself. he keeps wanting to make history in all the wrong ways, and, you know, although this is not great for everything that we have to do, it is an example of what happens when you don't know how to keep your word. this

mccarthy is extremely crucial. he is _ effort? mccarthy is extremely crucial.t? mccarthy is extremely crucial. he is someone who i effort? mccarthy is extremely crucial. he is someone who isj crucial. he is someone who is able to put the ukraine aid package on the house floor for a vote. my reporting tells that kevin mccarthy called senate majority leader chuck schumer last week to talk about funding the government and talk about ukraine, and we also know that he had a conversation with president biden about ukraine. what's senators and lawmakers are saying is that they expect mccarthy to put some sort of ukraine aid package on the floor in the next few weeks and we don't know if there was some sort of commitment there, but that's what lawmakers are insinuating, so we know that the majority of the senate, both majority of republicans and all democrats in the senate want to fund ukraine, it's much more challenging in the house, so once again, kevin mccarthy has a decision to make. does he govern for the entire congress orders he govern locating the right faction

just going back to what you were saying about kevin mccarthy, manu rightly has been trying to get mccarthy and people around mccarthy to answer the question whether or not after this he is going to go back. there will be a speaker's vote and he could try to get nominated again and just kind of roll the dice since he did it 15 times before. my sense, like yours, is that the people around mccarthy think that that likely won't happen. there certainly are very big mccarthy fans in the conference who might try to push him that way, but i would not hold my breath for that to happen. >> i think that we finally reached kevin mccarthy's capacity for political humiliation. we didn't know that we would get there, but we're here. i've seen him stop on a dime to talk to manu, so watching him blow past was an interesting moment. i also want to say that fundamentally, it is a shock, because this isn't someone who was voted out. this isn't someone who stepped back from the speakership and didn't seek re-election. we have seen people leave under sort of pitiful circumstances. this is a self-own, fundamenta

kevin mccarthy has a four seat majority.he said this morning, if they go to five votes against him then the gig is up. but again, it's hard to know until we actually see how this roll call vote goes and see how many people vote for him, how many vote present, you don't know and you hear the buzzers behind me, that's the house calling the vote series right now. the first vote, don't worry about that, there is going to be a second vote after that, don't worry about that, and closer, i would say closer to 2:00, that's the roll call vote we have to worry about. that is the vote on the motion to table or to kill the gaetz effort to hold a new speakers vote. >> aishah: chad, always a vote for the vote before the vote, so watching for the third vote here, we have just started the first in the series of three. we want to remind our viewers, there is about 200 republicans here, house republicans that are for speaker mccarthy. this is a matt gaetz motion, and might have a handsful of republicans but he's going to need to count on demo

it's anybody but mccarthy. vote for pretty much anybody else because we do not trust him, he did not do what he said he was going to do, and you know, i rattled off that list of things. now, again, a speaker is in a very difficult spot with such a small number. you know, congressman chris stewart of utah, he had to retire with his wife's medical issues so they are down one there. representative luna, has -- dealing with a newborn, so there are issues out there where the number is off center, but again, it's -- it's the sausage-making and there is no doubt somebody trying to make a deal behind the scenes. >> aishah: jason, if mccarthy survives today, right, and he's able to keep the gavel, what happens to the folks that are trying to oust him that vote to oust him today. at the end of the day, this is a very slim majority. mccarthy still needs them. >> he does need them. because any vote, whether it's a procedural vote, whether it's a vote on an actual piece of legislation, he still needs their vote. you know, s

than kevin mccarthy. now whether that's going to work or not, i don't know. but if this vote is happening, i can't believe mccarthy is going to roll the dice completely without putting in some effort from his allies. he can't make any negotiations. i don't think he can cut a deal. but at least try to persuade some moderate democrats that there is a better life for them with mccarthy than the alternative. we'll have to see if that's persuasive or not. >> jonathan, democrats have been huddling as they weigh what to do and here's what minority leader hakeem jeffries told reporters a little while ago as they're all watching this situation unfold. >> we encourage our republican colleagues who claim to be more traditional to break from the extremists, end the chaos, end the dysfunction, end the extremism. we are ready, willing and able to work together with our republican colleagues, but it is on them to join us to move the congress and the country forward. >> and, jonathan, shortly after that, pernilla jayapal

i haven't known kevin mccarthy long, but as far as i know i have no reason not to trust kevin mccarthy. he has done nothing but show deference to the people who really are controlling our conference right now with their five votes. and they know that. even before he took the oath of office as speaker of the house he was listening to people, not just what was coming out of their mouths but trying to get down to their heart. we would be in conference saying wait a minute, what are you really trying to say? and every conference that we have he has listened to people. we might not always get our way, but everyone has had their say. we have matriculated this ball down the field like a football game. and why with all the wins that we've had on border security, on parents' rights, on energy dominance, to get america back on track, why in the world would you change quarterbacks in the middle of the game? i think this is a -- >> well, that's -- >> -- fool's errand -- go ahead. >> no, please, finish. >> i think it's a fool's errand. i think it's sophomoric. and i don't think it's going to work.

i mean, there are some serious trust issues here. >> with mccarthy. >> with mccarthy, of course. he made a promise back in may about how we were going to fund this government. and he took us to the 11th hour. you know, jeopardizing american jobs, women, infants and children via the wic program. and foinally came to his senses. but how can we trust these guarantees going forward? we're going to need some concrete guidelines in place if he's going to want democrats to come to the table and help save his speakership. >> so the math, former congresswoman amelia, the math is pretty simple. he can't affordfive republicans doesn't have 218 votes to be speak and there are 212 democrats and if they all stand together, then there is no speaker. how does it work? >> the speakership goes to the majority. the party that -- >> you need 218. >> right. >> so we just don't have a speaker. is that what is going to happen? >> no. they could vote for a speaker. but i think at this point your choice is either mccarthy or hakeem jeffries. >> it is binary. >> it is one or the other. >> but at some poin

just this week after democrats helped mccarthy avert a disastrous government shutdown, mccarthy went on television and tried to blame democrats for the dysfunction. >> i wasn't sure it was going to pass. you want to know why? because the democrats try to do everything they can not to let it pass. >> democrats were the ones who voted for this in a larger number than republicans to keep the continuing resolution alive. >> that moment was reportedly foremost in democrats' minds when they voted in lock step against kevin mccarthy today. he had his chance to earn their trust and he blew it. tonight congressman mccarthy announced he is officially giving up. he will not run for speaker again. >> i believe i can continue fight maybe in a different manner. i will not run for speaker again. i'll have the conference pick somebody else. >> house republicans are now in the wilderness, uncharted territory. for now congressman patrick mchenry will serve as interim speaker. he says he aims to hold an election for the new speaker next wednesday. on that note, republican congressman neelz has already

so, mccarthy had a choice.her he would pass this bill with massive spending cuts, far below the ones he agreed with president biden which were demanded by the far right in his conference, then he would have put the government in a shutdown. or he could face down the right-wingers that have been tormenting him really ever since he won the speakership over 15 rounds of voting back in january. he chose the latter option. and that is what has put his job on the line. the question now is how many republicans will rebel against him in a vote to take the speakership away from him. and how many democrats would be needed to get him over the line and keep him speaker. and if ultimately a speaker who is sent to washington to counter a republican president with conservative governments could survive very long relying on democratic votes. >> it's a really -- honestly, i think, to keep the lens wide here for a second, this is so incredibly different from the way that washington has operated for the past -- certainly, since i

does it matter if mccarthy backs any of them? >> weighs asked last night again if he was going to endorse someone and he said maybe. i think that it could hurt the next person perhaps, especially with those eight who don't like kevin mccarthy. there is a lot of people who don't like kevin mccarthy. he has a lot of power within the 200 members of the conference and maybe he can unite them. but it's not about 200. it's about finding 218 votes. that's what the next person needs to be speaker of the house. you know, there is a lot of -- there is a lot of -- not a lot of idealogical differences between the people running. steve scalise, tom emmer perhaps, jim jordan, they are all conservatives. people have their favorites and people some trust some over others. it is going to be week of a lot of jockeying. it's going to be a week of a lot of fundraising on who is able to also be -- fill those shoes of kevin mccarthy -- >> that's what i want to did you about. do we have -- people need to understand this isn't just kevin mccarthy in the

so if mccarthy goes down, then what? a constant battle. >> it could all happen in the next couple of hours. >> stand by, and i want to bring back shan woo with the courtroom of the warning that we don't know if hakeem jefferies is going to start speaking again, and we will go back to capitol hill in a heartbeat, and what we are talking about is how the two legal teams approach the fraud case now that the judge has made it clear that there was fraud. we won't argue anymore if there is fraud, so how do they move on? >> the trump's team needs to focus on what remains in the case, and there a lot. like six other counts in the case, and those counts do involve intent, and michael cohen is going to testify, and that should be a fun cross-examination for them, and although, he may hold up. and maybe when he is not there, they will move away from playing up to him. and the judge is wanting to deal with the issues ahead, and what does the government have to prove and you are going to counter that, and they are doing the client a

thank you, speaker mccarthy. i yield back. >> gentleman from florida. >> the opening line of my colleague's speech was that speaker mccarthy always overperforms expectations but after tweeting bring it and after engaging in profane laced tirades at house conference, he just lost a motion to table so i wouldn't necessarily consider that overperforming expectations. time and again, i've heard my colleagues say he deserves it because he went through a tough speaker contest. he prevailed in that speaker contest because he made an agreement to fulfill certain commitments to make this an open and honest process and he has failed to meet those commitments and that's why we are here. i reserve. >> gentleman from oklahoma. mr. cole. >> i yield three minutes to my very good friend, mr. jordan of ohio. >> gentleman from ohio is recognized for three minutes. >> on january 3rd, we said the congress is about three things. pass the bills that need passed, do the oversight work that needs to be done and stop the omnibus that com

this is mccarthy himself. but now at least we know who the speaker will be even in a temporary sense. and in terms of going forward, they could launch into another balloting round and mccarthy could put his name forward again. this shellacking might have been one he was willing to take and wig to press forward. but we don't know what the next step is for mccarthy specifically, nicolle. >> david jolly, let me bling you floor this conversation. i mean, as ali is saying that, i'm thinking there is not much left to give away until we down to organs. he gave away every function of the speakership in those 15 rounds. yu thoughts on where we go from here? >> yeah, two primary questions. one, can the house organize, very much like january. as ali pointed out, there are rules in place. but you don't have a governing majority until you could elect a speaker that provides leadership. so can the house organize? and that is largely a question for republicans. the slim majority remains, the dynamics remain the same in terms

>> kevin mccarthy has been a failure. kevin mccarthy has not fulfilled his promises. >> this morning we're live on capitol hill. plus, both sides of the house republican divide, mccarthy critic matt gaetz and moderate mark lawler and president biden's budget director shalanda young. >>> uphill battle. >> the america-first agenda does not belong to one man. >> every time i hear you i feel a little bit dumber. >> did any candidate dent the absent front runner? >> donald trump is missing in action. >> you're not here tonight because you're afraid. >> our powerhouse roundtable weighs in. >>> trail blazer -- >> we will go to washington, and we will perform. >> senator dianne feinstein dies at age 90 after a career of historic firsts. >> an historic figure. >> dianne was a trail blazer. >> her integrity shone like a beacon. >> her legacy will be a long one. >> we remember the life of america's longest serving female senator. >>> from abc news, it's "this week." here now, jonathan karl. >>> good morning. welcome to "this week."

mccarthy become speaker. and i went to him on this very floor to tell him that he was finally going to become speaker on the next vote. in that moment, it was clear to me that i or we could have asked for anything in exchange for switching our votes to present, but i and we asked for nothing. the very next week, i requested and had a meeting with speaker mccarthy to tell him he had my full support and that i wanted him to be successful because the country needed him to be successful. in the ensuing months, i helped him narrowly pass the parents bill of rights and the limits they grow bill, and i think both of those by one or two votes, helping persuade some of my most conservative colleagues to come along despite some of the concerns they had with those bills. and we remain united as a other conservative fiscal reforms. unfortunately, however, that unity and that commitment to significant year one cuts and spending reforms were discarded in the fail responsibility act i call it which passed overwhelmingly onc

mccarthy tried to avoid this. mccarthy said he was going to keep it that way but it was one of the last concessions he had to make to become speaker. there was probably no way he could avoid that, but he knew the second he lowered this threshold down to one member, this was going to happen some day. john boehner faced this very threat. i think he could have survived that because he had some good will among democrats who probably would have stepped up and saved him. when paul ryan took over, he said look, i'm not going to live this way. i'm not going to be speaker of the house with this gun pointed at my head all the time. basically arranged a handshake agreement with the freedom caucus to say you're never going use this against me and that held for as long as we were there. mccarthy knew this day was coming. you can't govern like this when just any one member or five members, i guess, can set the, can make a constitutional change. a constitutional officer change hands. when teaming up with democrats. it's absurd.

right now we're listening to the mccarthy side, pro-mccarthy. let's listen in. >> and i say bring whatever comes next. because we believe in the job you have done, mr. speaker. we believe in your vision, and most importantly, we are proud to call kevin mccarthy our friend and our speaker of the house. and with that, i yield back. [ applause ] >> gentleman yields back his time. the gentleman from florida is recognized with three minutes remaining. >> to be clear, i tried to get one of the three podiums on the republican side, and y'all wouldn't let me have them. you sent me over here. you know what? i'll make this argument at any desk in this building from the well, from the chair. i'll make it on every street coroner this country that washington must change. we have to break the cycle. we have to break the fever. and i would hope, truly, that the reforms that we are fighting for are reforms that would last and be embraced and that would democratize power in this institution beyond the privileged few who back us up against shutdown politics and c

after speaker mccarthy then speaker mccarthy helped broker a deal to keep the government open. >> mr. in the, speaker mccarthy's speakership now at risk. should democrats vote to help him keep that job? >> i don't have a vote on that matter. i'll leave that to the leadership of the house and the senate. >> mr. president, are you going to be able to trust speaker mccarthy when the next deal comes around? >> we just made one about ukraine. so we will find out. >> peter: that is disputed because mccarthy says that there was no deal and the white house is not offering clarity. mccarthy was the first republican president biden had to work with who controlled a branch of congress after two years of unified democratic control. and after mccarthy got the job, the president said behind closed doors in january look at what the present leader of the republican party, a decent man, i think, mccarthy, look what he had to do. he had to make commitments that are just absolutely off the wall for a speaker of the house to make in terms of being able to become the leader. president biden wanted to rest

lamalfa. >> mccarthy. >> mccarthy. >> spartz. massey. >> there you see on your screen, kevin mccarthy just speaking directly to jim jordan. we have been telling you from the beginning, if he lost four votes, four votes for anyone other than him, he would not be the new speaker of the house. he has lost a total of 20. this is the floor of the u.s. house of representatives. jim jordan, one of the most hard core far right lawmakers in washington, has indeed lost his first bid of becoming speaker of the house. now, he had seemed like a long shot for the speakers job, just a few days ago, but then over the weekend in particular seemed to be gaining ground. it wasn't enough. as we just watched, 20 republicans voted against him, denying him the gavel at least for now. now, what remains to be seen is that the house will break, if they're going to move right to another round of voting, we're going to stay right on it and watch it. in the meantime, i want to bring in ali vitali on capitol hill. nbc national political correspondent steve ko

kevin mccarthy or helpig kevin mccarthy. he has not asked for our votes. >> the american people deserve a functioning government. speaker mccarthy has shown he cannot govern. >> it's pretty tough stuff. they didn't mention other things they have been hearing from sources that were discussed inside this democratic meeting, which is january 6th and his actions or inaction after that. the impeachment inquiry and then a the lot of other other issues that have really enraged democrats, even though the question is, and i think we should say it over and over again, this is his fellow republicans ousting him. the question this morning was whether any democrats would him. >> just talking to my two colleagues, at this it moment, there are no democrats saying they would jump in to save kevin mccarthy. skip the vote, change the ratio, all that math they could do to stave this off. i think what you said is really important. what democrats are saying they don't trust kevin mccarthy. there are a couple reasons why they don't trust kevin mc

caller: i feel like kevin mccarthy is a wonderful speaker of the house. he handles everything in a very professional manner, including dealing with the news media, all of the questions they continually ask, and how he goes about answering them very directly. the democratic party are not even transparent, from biden all the way down. we don't know what is going on most of the time. as far as matt gaetz, matt gaetz -- i like matt gaetz a lot, but he is totally out of control, and i think he is trying to do something for other means. that is all i have to say today. it is very frustrating, seeing what is going on and how even the speaker is being treated. thank you for having me. host: that was teresa with her comments in pennsylvania. let me go to rock in new york. caller: my comment really is for you more than the guest you have, but let me just say on the question i did not get in on time. my real problem is that somebody called in and said to you "the democrats are the nazi party." while you are doing your job, you would cut those things. this discourse

they talked about mccarthy's role. he gave a statement on why they should vote to remove him as well as january 6 and his trip to mar-a-lago after january 6 and what he did on the debt limit deal that he negotiated with president biden back in may. those were some of the reasons that democrats cited why they were not going to vote for keeping kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. janet, republican from texas. your take on this. caller: everybody needs to stand back and this took a lot of courage for gaetz to come up and he is absolutely correct. and i'm older than most of the people calling in and agree with the gentlemanfrom arkansas and the lady this government is so bloated and we have to do something about it. i don't care what political affiliation your but we are so overspending and every dollar, every taxpayer dollar, it's not the government's money, but our money. and paying $900 billion a year on interest alone because everything they spend is borrowed. we do not have any money, period. and the fact that any

the reason kevin mccarthy went down today is because nobody trusts kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy has made multitude contradictory promises, and when they all came due, he lost votes of people who maybe don't even ideologically agree with me. take my colleague from south carolina, she has different views than i do on a variety of subjects. what we had in common, kevin mccarthy lied to all of us. >> you're saying that nobody trusts kevin mccarthy. you're talking about, including yourself, about seven republicans, compared to about 200 and some odd republicans who do trust him. can you kind of explain that? >> well, as it turns out, getting 200 republicans to trust you isn't enough to stay speaker. >> have you spoken to former president trump about this since the ousting? was he supportive of what you were doing? >> i have spoken to president trump over the last several days. the ousting only occurred several minutes ago. >> so let me break away from this press conference with congressman gaetz, who led the charge against now former speaker kevin mccarthy. we are join

mccarthy can only afford to lose four. >> if kevin mccarthy goes and makes a dirty deal with the democrats to keep power, i think that the people in this country will rise up and go hand that their representatives and their lawmakers accept a more responsible path. >> gaetz calls it a dirty deal because democrats won't give kevin mccarthy anything for free. as one congresswoman put it, the word of the week is leverage. gaetz has been trying to convince progressive democrats to help him dethrone the speaker, one of mccarthy's allies had a warning for those democrats, the ones who might be thinking about that. >> i guess democrats need to determine first and foremost whether they want to align themselves with matt gaetz. >> and as of right now, most democrats are waiting on their leader hakeem jeffries to weigh in with a plan. >> i think our two leaders need to talk and i think that we ought to come to an understanding. i hope we can. >> there is a lot of different considers here. but at the end of the day, i'm waiting to hear from leader jeffries. he has earned that right from ever democrat

the fact that he sort of twisted a little bit in mccarthy when -- what we saw earlier today was mccarthy doing something in a bipartisan way, i wonder how that's going to go over on the republican side, particularly in the house. >> reporter: yeah, look, he's -- schumer's saying there that mccarthy, quote, got nothing. that is the message from the senate majority leader after mccarthy decided against moving forward with a proposal with spending cuts that he had tried to advance but was blocked by not just democrats but some of those conservative hard-liners who wanted to have even deeper spend cuts. this proposal only extends current funding for the federal government for another 45 days. now a little bit more this vote. this vote was approved by an overwhelmingly on a bipartisan basis 88-9 was the total on this vote. there were nine votes against it. they were all republicans, marsha blackburn as well as mike braun, ted cruz, senator big haggerty, mike lee, roger marshall, rand paul, eric schmidt, and j.d. vance were the nine republicans who voted against it. but you can see, an overwhe

mccarthy: on our website -- from representative mccarthy on our website.his -- the associated press has an article looking at next steps. kevin mccarthy is out as speaker of the house. thanks for giving us your time. you post -- posed a series of questions. the first is who is in charge of the house now? guest: reporters and housestaff alike were scrambling yesterday to get to respond to this unprecedented vote to figure out who is in charge. representative patrick henry was named speaker pro tem and we were all wondering about what powers does he have? how long can he serve? that is what we looked at right there. host: what is his role going forward? guest: it is very -- because this is unprecedented, it is unclear how much power he has, how long he can stay in office, but as of now it seems he has the appropriate and necessary powers to continue during this interim period until the house republican leadership decides who they want to nominate for speaker. host: he is in charge of shepherding the process. do we know what names have emerged as potential ne

mccarthy.is the first time this has happened in u.s. history. eight republicans joined democrats to vote to remove him from his position. this boat comes one day after florida republican congressman matt gaetz introduced the motion to vacate. he has made no secret to his intentions to try to oust mr. mccarthy. he just became speaker of the house in january after 15 rounds of voting and many concessions granted to his fellow republicans. representative patrick mchenry will now serve as speaker pro tem until an election can be held. his first act was to put th house into recess so the parties could figure out what's next. joining us now is the co-author of "the washington post" 202 newsletter and coanchor of "washington post live." this is a historic moment. just before 5:00 p.m. eastern, the house voted to remove the speaker. how significant is what happened today? >> my gosh, it is so significant that it's never happened before. it has been 113 years since there's ever been a vote like this for

mccarthy. >> okay. john king, i'm sorry, that's seven house republicans. >> so if you have to get that number to two, if everybody keeps voting, and jim jordan has to get the number, you know, to two, you know, can he nesh jats? does he have the leverage to negotiating? how many times is he willing to take the hit? kevin mccarthy humiliated himself staying out there and wore them down cutting deals. the fact that we're having this deal today is because he cut those deals. he gave so much leverage to the rank and file that he was not an effective leader. so can jim jordan get himself in the mccarthy box and negotiate his way to that gavel? now it's up to eight. if the answer is yes, and that's a big if, bold face and underline it, if, what does he have to give up to get there and how much power or authority does he have? he called for this vote. this was his idea. this was his play under the idea that i'm going to lose the first one and then i'm going to win them over, i'm going to wear them down. we wil

the reason kevin mccarthy went down today is because nobody trusts kevin mccarthy. he's made multiple contradictory promises and when they all came due he lost votes to people who maybe not ideologically agree with me on everything. take my colleague from south carolina, ms. mace, she has different views than i do on a variety of subjects but what we have in common, kevin mccarthy lied to all of us. reporter: you're saying nobody trusts kevin mccarthy, are you talking about seven republicans compared to about 200 republicans who actually do trust him. so can you explain that here? matt: as it turns out, getting 200 republicans to trust you isn't enough to stay speaker. reporter: did you tell president trump about the ousting and was he supportive of what you're doing? matt: i talked to mr. trump the last several days and the vote just has taken place. reporter: did you think it was a good idea, you didn't want to see republicans fighting with other republicans so how do you respond to the former president? matt: i would say the congressman leaves me with great confi

mccarthy did not do that.nt of biden, was less of an issue for trump, then his own record. and so, you put all of this together, and i think it is true that trump had not been especially focused on this, in the days leading up to this. i think he is pretty focused on right now, because i think that he sees this as some kind of an activity that he can be talked about in, with his people, or are talking about him running for speaker, which don from has a long history of people running non organic drafts for him. this has the same feel. but, it is not surprising to me, because i think. somebody said to me close to trump last, week he doesn't think kevin needs rescuing. now, i message that person today and said, to does he still think kevin doesn't need rescuing, and i didn't hear back. but, he decided he was not going to invest capital in this, and i think he saw where this was headed. and, mccarthy is not good for him in a primary, of his own. and i think that is something else that gets missed. here >> alyssa,

chaos is speaker mccarthy. is somebody who we cannot trust with their world word. >> he has kept his word. i think we should keep him as speaker. >> i think it is time to make a change. -- not the only one -- >> everyone who knows kevin mccarthy, whether they are friend or foe, knows that kevin mccarthy is a happy warrior. >> i will just say, if this house of representatives has exceeded all expectations, and we definitely need direct a shuns. >> the office of speaker of the house of the united states house of representatives is hereby declared vacant. >> tonight the big news? mccarthy told his party he will not run for the speakership again. >> i will never give up on the american people. that doesn't mean i have to be speaker to do what i have to do for the american people. >> but at this point, the question really is, who would even want this job? >> -- the speakership. >> absolutely not. i have no desire -- >> laura coates, matt gaetz there, seemingly and unwittingly admitting that everyone likes to throw b

mccarthy mccarthy they get into the legal minds. i don't question them. when i put mchenry's name down, it was my h belief that if something happened to me that mchenry could run the floor until we elected a new speaker. it was not my intention that they couldn't do anything. when the president decided on the state of the union who his survivor is, that if something happens to everyone else that that person can carry on the continuity of government. if we provided these rules after 9/11, i believe it was the intent of congress for that same reason to put a name down and that person could carry on the job. i don't know tab there is going to be a vote. been here a number of years and understands how congress works. he has respects on both sides of the aisle to carry out the job. when you are speaker, you don't determine whether a bill passes that or not. you make sure government keeps working and shocking to me that all the democrats and eight of those crazies led by gaetz would vote to stop one branch of government. why would you do that? [indiscernible qu

kevin mccarthy is a failed speaker.absolutely nothing to reach across the aisle in any way, shape, or form, even though as you pointed out in the last segment there is divided government, even when he reached a deal on top line appropriations numbers, he then went back against that deal in passing all of these individual appropriations bills. he has done absolutely nothing for the american people. he is trying to eliminate access to abortion. he is discriminating against the lgbtq community. he is cutting funding that americans need across the board, and we are unified because we want to help the american people, but we are in the minority. we don't have control, and they did absolutely nothing to reach across the aisle. they are captive to donald trump and the extreme maga wing, who has now revolted because even just passing a continuing resolution is too much for them. keeping the government open is insufficient for this extremist wing, so we are unified. we are ready to govern. we are ready to work for the american p

the reason that kevin mccarthy went down today is because nobody trusts kevin mccarthy. kevin mccarthy has made multiple promises. when they came due, he lost votes to people that maybe don't idealogically agree with me on everything. take my colleague from south carolina. mrs. mace. she has different views than i do on a variety of subs. what we had in common, kevin mccarthy lied to all of us. >> you're saying nobody trusts kevin mccarthy. you're talking ant including yourself seven republicans compared to about 200 and some odd rules committees that do trust him. can you explain that here? >> as it turns out, getting 200 republicans to trust you isn't enough to stay speaker. >> seven republicans here. >> have you spoken to former president trump about this since the ousting? was he supportive of what you were do something. >> i have spoken to president trump the last couple days. we have not spoken about the ousting. >> president trump said he didn't want to see other republicans fighting with other republicans. how do you respond? >> i would say that my conversations

might this be the end of mccarthy as speaker? >> in order for that to succeed, they need a majority of the entire chamber. so that would be presumably 218 votes. and say gaetzs has 18 members with him and on the republican side which is a large number, we're not sure what number is. but then he would still need 200 democrats to back him and that is where hakeem jeffries, the democratic leader come news plac place. right now they don't have a unified position, there is a lot of democrats who said we should not bail out keb mccarthy, we cannot trust him and why would we do that but you still have a small sector of moderate democrats saying we don't want to throw the house in chaos and perhaps we could get some concessions out of speaker mccarthy. but democratic leader shuft just put out a letter to leaders, we're aware of this issue and let's talk about it as a caucus before we move forward. so that is something we're watching this week. but there are sp ideas batted around between republicans and democrats and what potential conce

i'm not the only one everyone who knows kevin mccarthy whether their friend or foe knows that kevin mccarthy happy warrior. >> i would just say this house a representative, has exceeded all expectations, then we definitely need higher expectations. >> the office of speaker of the house, of the united states house of representatives is here by dovey vacant. >> tonight the big news mccarthy told his party that he will not run for the speakership again. we'll >> never give up in the american people, that doesn't mean i have to be speaker. to do what i have to do for the american people. >> but at this point the question really is, who would even want this job? >> are you putting yourself forward for the speakership? >> absolutely not i have no desire to be speaker. >> laura, matt gaetz there seemingly an unwittingly and minute that everyone likes to throw bombs but leading is hard he has no intention of trying to get that gavel. he just didn't want kevin mccarthy to have as you know joining me now is republican caucus minh bob good of virginia he is one of the eight republicans who voted to rem