does mitch mcconnell -- mitch mcconnell can say that, but that doesn't follow mitch mcconnell. >> how about leadership? how about some leadership in the republican party, the likes of which moved richard nixon out of office. barry goldwater, the 1964 nominee of his party, to be president of the united states led a delegation of republican leaders to the oval office. and sat across from richard nixon who asked him, how many votes do i have, senator goldwater, if there is going to be an impeachment trial? and goldwater turned to him and said mister president, you might have half a dozen, and you're not gonna have mine. let's see mitch mcconnell do that. >> bob, do you imagine mitch mcconnell ever doing that? that's just not the way that politics works anymore, is it? >> bob, do you think that's the way? is that a realistic idea? >> i think you lost his audio. >> it just seems -- i get what you're saying. there's a really historic precedent, but if you look at the leaders today? >> there is historic precedent on january 8th when mcconnell and the speaker, mr. mccarthy, got up and said th

mitch mcconnell, dead silent.ot even read the indictment. how is that even acceptable for his constituents that the former president and republican front runner is facing criminal charges. chuck grassley, he didn't get a round of reading. what else he could be reading this weekend? >> if i'm not mistaken, senator grassley is in his 90s. and the voters of iowa had been sending him there for decades at this point. and these guys, like him and mcconnell, you know, they have been there so long. they are so out of touch. they just believe they can get away with everything. you know, look at the way mcconnell handled january 6th to make this, you know, sort of speech indignation, and turn around and kill every attempt we need to actually impose accountability for it. everyone is going with their standard playbook at the moment. but these are not standard times. and the clips you showed as we came in of bill barr, finally, after all these years, stepping up and doing the right thing, to me, that is mirrored in the electo

(mim mcconnell) hi! - we'll have a little stroll... - good. - ... in your favorite city. - yeah. - i say "city", but it's a town. - yeah, well, it is a city and a borough. it's been a pretty steady population for quite a while now. almost 9000 people. geographically speaking, we're the largest city in the country. - how long were you mayor for? - i was mayor for four years and i was on the assembly for three years prior to that. so a total of seven years in city government. - did you ever think you would have that title? mayor of the largest city in the united states? - no. no. (sophie fouron) when you think of baranof, do people instantly think of sikta because it's so wide and spread out? (mim mcconnell) sitka is the biggest town of our two town. when people think about baranof, they know that sitka is the place, so... it's also kind of the hub for the region. there's a huge fishing fleet here, and people get their groceries here. there's a lot of medical care in town here. cultural activities... there

even mcconnell, who was for it raising the defense cap in the budget legislation is going to make sure the amendment does not pass. if any of the a minutes pass, you've got to the house. host: referring to mitch mcconnell, what have the talks been like between the majority leader, senator schumer, the minority leader senator schumer, -- with regards to the urgency to pass this bill, the need to get it done as soon as possible, the need for senators to pass amendment requests, to get them on the table quickly, vote on them, then you'll back the time they have been granted as a result of the amendment. they have been on the same page -- we expect they would be at a 60 vote threshold. host: we're talking about the outlook of the debt limit agreement. it could come as early as today in the upper chamber. your thoughts on this, the debt limit deal. what the prospects are for the senate, democrats dial-in at -- republicans first this month, republicans (202) 748-8000. democrats (202) 748-8001, and independents (202) 748-8002. texans as well, include your city and state, at -- texts as well,

era, when and if mcconnell decides to step aside at some point. so, all of that is giving us some nice tea leaf reading here. but, again, it was pretty no drama. because none of these amendment votes, steph, wherever expected to pass. in fact, if any of any of them did, that would've been really bad news. because it would have meant that this bill would have to go from the center backs of the house, and we almost certainly would have to falter them. so, the amendment votes, sort of just a formality to get all the senators on board -- and, again, although it's 11:00 at night, usually past my bedtime -- i know it's not for you -- this was really fast by senate standards. >> it's also pretty unusual for mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer to work so seamlessly together. but mitch mcconnell has been signaling for months this thing is going to get done, this thing is going to get done. >> this thing is going to get done. and for mcconnell, he really farmed out the negotiations to his house counterpart, speaker kevin mccarthy. in large part, that's becaus

i mean, that's very -- >> that's very mitch mcconnell. >> -- mitch mcconnell.candidates who are necessarily simply backed by the former president or aligned with the former president. he's fine if they are, as long as they are also -- can perform well in the general election. and that's the real challenge. we are in a moment right now where they're hoping to get dave mccormick in pennsylvania. there's another candidate in montana named tim she hee who they're pushing to get into the race. there are different primaries in -- playing out. there's an ohio primary that could get pretty bloody as well. so, a number of states where that candidate quality issue could hurt them. and you have the problems at the top of the ticket that could spell disaster for republicans. that's why mitch mcconnell is focused to get the right candidates. >> and they're already having trouble, once again, in arizona. there's no candidate in michigan, another battleground state. and wisconsin, mike gallagher, congressman, seen as very much of a rising star, this week announced he's not go

we felt the caps were too low on nondefense discretionary, so mcconnell and i put out a joint statement that we would look at finding ways to fund things that were really needed through emergency end other ways, but also through the regular appropriations process, which was always going to go forward, so that is what it basically said, and when it came to me and asked me to do this, i said, yeah, that is a good idea. >> [indiscernible] well -- sen. schumer: well, the bottom line is the mountain valley pipeline was part of the whole deal that i had originally struck with manchin for the ira. you take the whole plan and it does a huge amount of good for the environment there it i stick by my word. yes. >> [indiscernible] sen. schumer: there has always been the ability -- whatever the budget agreements have been, when there are emergencies whether they be on the foreign policy military front or the domestic front, we have always funded them, and we reiterated the fact that is available to us today. yes. >> [indiscernible] sen. schumer: not at all. no, look at the vote. underestimating kevi

. >> brian: and mitch mcconnell. >> rachel: no question, mitch mcconnell.uld have merrick garland on the supreme court if not for mitch mcconnell. maybe the only good thing mitch mcconnell ever done. >> steve: you mention bidenomics, out of nowhere, it was announced msnbc would get an exclusive interview with the president of the united states yesterday afternoon temperature tied up the traffic significantly, because they wanted him to talk about bidenomics. not one question, according to jacqui heinrich was asked about bidenomics. >> rachel: we just talk the about it last segment, americans would safe $21,000, under joe biden regulations, it will cost american families $60,000, of course he doesn't want to talk about it. >> brian: strange thing. >> steve: he should be asked about it. >> brian: 33% of americans think the economy is good, the president's economy. not so much if you listen to hunter question or wanted questions about bidenomics, to make the president talk about it, you were frustrated because it didn't come up. nicole wallace did say goodbye,

leader mcconnell. speaker pelosi. leader schumer.d passionate disagreements, as you mentioned, chuck, on policy, but we never lost sight of the importance of this institution and the role it plays for our society and our country. i will always appreciate the work that we did together help to our country. thank you. [applause] i'm not very nostalgic, i'm not one who typically looks backwards, but when i drove in here today i was thinking about, back to my very first day as an intern here at capitol hill. i arrived in washington, d.c. as this wide-eyed kid from wisconsin, with a love of supply-side economics and a reverence for rofnld reagan who grew up an hour down the rock river, town stream in illinois. up until that point i was hoping maybe i'd become an economist at like r.w. baird in milwaukee. and capitol hill and public service had this magnetism that i just couldn't shake. after my first opportunity with senator bob kasten from wisconsin, i knew i wanted to participate in this battle of ideas. i knew that i want to have a say

we've heard nothing from mitch mcconnell. heard nothing from -- the number to republican in the senate. but both of them made no secret that they wanted to put donald trump in the rearview mirror and they think is a cancer on the party, and they think it's time to move on. but they've been sitting this one out so far. only a few voices have really spoken up in the republican party condemning trump in the wake of this indictment, most notably mitt romney who put out a strong statement. i'm watching how the elected republicans are reacting to this, and most of them are rallying to the president side. >> mitch mcconnell's play all along has been that he's not been a fan of donald trump. but he stepped aside and waited for democrats to take him out. here we are with the department of justice. it has nothing to do with politics. harry, we keep looking at these 49 pages and saying how damning this, is the evidence that they've compiled, but jack smith did get a blow today in the judge that was chosen. alien kalin. can you speak to

minority leader mitch mcconnell, it was a statement they came out late last night from the white house and this is what president biden had to say last night. he said both parties vot to protect the hard-earonom progress we haveade and prevent a first-ever default by together they trata once more that america is a nation that pays its bills and meet its obligations and always will be. no one gets everything they want in negotiation but i bipartisan agreement is a big win for the economy and american people. we are expecting to hear a lot more from the president tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern. expected to speak about the legislation in any address from the oval office. this morning on the "washington journal," we want to hear from you, your reaction that the senate vote last night and the winding path that this bipartisan agreement took to get the prison biden's desk. to do so, the phone lines are as usual, republican party -- split by party, here's the republican line, (202) 748-8001. democrats are (202) 748-8000. and independence are -- independents are (202) 748-8002. we will start wit

>> this entire process gives us a pretty interesting window into the role mitch mcconnell is playing in all of this. he was essentially hands off. he is usually the guy sitting at the table. he's part of the horse trading. he's intimately involved in every detail, and this time around he essentially handed the responsibility over to kevin mccarthy and gave kevin mccarthy his full support and faith that he'd be able to get it to this point. now mcconnell will pick up the ball and encourage his senate colleagues on the republican side to supply chuck schumer enough votes to get to that 60-vote threshold. what we've seen time and time again with mcconnell is, yes, there are a relatively small faction of conservative republicans that are not necessarily fans of his. some of them challenged his leadership. ultimately he controls the senate, especially in the republican side, and he will be able to marshal the votes necessary to get this over the finish line. certainly there may be some senators that he lets slide. some he asked to take a tough vote, but there's every indication that they

it took mitch mcconnell a long time to be elected speech or. -- to be elected speaker.o have navigated this with remarkable ease. can you explain why he got such a difficult process to be elected and now that he has there it seems like he is able to wrangle all parts of the party to get what he needs to happen? andy: i think we need to give mccarthy some credit. i think he's sold to his conference and said first, we have to pass something to get it into negotiation, the fact that he is able to pass something pass their plan earlier this year and got them into the negotiating room and everything they negotiated on was on the republican side of the table. mccarthy needs to be credited to do that. i think there are some murmurings about some of the far right members wanting to vote to vacate the chair. we will see how that plays out. they should be happy. republicans got a lot more than if they had thrown a tantrum. alix: if everyone is unhappy it was probably the right thing. in the market there is an unresolved situation on how much the treasury will issue and where alon

you also had mitch mcconnell knows how to get a deal done. i'm not saying it is not doable, i'm just saying some people are going to have to make some changes, and i think the fact mccarthy was able to get that debt ceiling package through tells the democrats that, here is a guy who can pass stuff. you cannot wait for him to fail, because he is not going to do it. he is constantly underestimated, and i think that needs to be taken into account has you going to this election year. biden does not want to face the voters on a record of saying, well, once i lost the house i couldn't get anything done, vote for me. it is not really a good message. i think there is a possibility that happens again. biden is more willing to compromise than his predecessor. he could be more like a clinton than an obama. we'll see what happens. mr. dearborn: there is going to be some opportunities. there were bipartisan votes for the big infrastructure bill. that also created concern among a lot of conservatives because the size of the spending for that bill, one of t

mitch mcconnell, this is your moment. let's hear from you tonight. >> i would say that this is not about donald trump ultimately. this is about the united states of america. this is about whether the constitution is still real. this is about whether many american can expect the due process of law. make no mistake, if merrick garland can send in a swat team to the homes of pro-life catholics to terrorize them, if he can call parents domestic terrorists and if he can jail or try to jill biden's political opponents, he can do anything. that is what this is about. that's not what we are fighting for. >> do you also share my concern that this is a warning shot fired across the bow by the fbi and doj to anyone? ron desantis? anyone like him that has more of a populist point of view, not an establishment point of few and a shot at the presidency. don't get too close. watch out. we will come for you. we will never stop until we relentlessly pursue you until you give up. that's what i think is going on here more than anything. i t

you mentioned something called the mcconnell mechanism. is that. well that's a that a i discussed in terms of a way to deal with the debt ceiling problem because back when we had the crisis the debt ceiling crisis in 2011. senator proposed just for a one time deal. he said, let's let's go ahead and raise the debt ceiling. but will will will do it in a way where the president will send us notice. he wants to raise the debt ceiling if after 15 days, congress has not passed something to keep him from it, then he can do it. that was a enlightened piece of legislation. my opinion. unfortunately, it was just a one time deal. it has long since been forgotten, but i would that that would be a great solution. the problem of of recurring crises related the debt ceiling 15 days to come up with an alternative 15 days to come up with a plan otherwise that becomes the that becomes the law right we talk about special interests what would necessary to repeal citizens. well a constitutional amendment i mean, citizens united is a supreme decision that, interprets th

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. >> joyce, i'm going to have to interrupt you because mitch mcconnell is taking questions. >> going on for six months, going to be going on for a year longer and i'm simply not going to comment on the candidate. we've got a bunch of them and i'm just simply going to stay out of it. >> house appropriations chairwoman said she's going to mark up the spending bills of the fiscal year 2022 levels. should house stick with the debt limit deal spending levels and could this lead to an impasse in getting the government funded this year? >> he's saying he's simply not going to respond to any questions about this ongoing case and that's going to be his practice. even though he is the republican minority leader of the senate now being asked about the debt ceiling deal and the appropriations process. back to david jolly now. david is a former republican congressman, no longer a republican from florida. talk to me about the way you see mitch mcconnell and other republicans not being willing -- or defending the former president. the beginnings of some crack in the republican senate leadership wit

but mitch mcconnell, this is your moment, my friend. let's let's hear fromtonigh you tonight.t. >> i would just say that this is not about donald trump. ultimatelys no this is aboutout the united states of america. this is about whether ricathe constitution is still rl in this country. this is about whether any american, any american can expect the due process of law. ce, if merricktak garland can send a swat team to the homes of pro-lifes to ter catholics to terrorize them, if he can call parents domestic terrorists, if he can jail or try to jail biden's political opponents, he can doca whatever he wants to any american. that is what this is about is whhting and that's now what we're fighting for. >> and do you also share my concern that this is a warning fired across the bow by the fbi and the doj to anyone and ron desantis, anyonee fbi like him, who has more of a populist point view, not an establishment point of view, has a real shot at the presidency. don'establis and at too close. watch out. we will come for you and will. >> we wi

so it is interesting to see this divide between mccarthy and mcconnell.he two leaders in the house and senate on the issue of whether a shrel package will be needed to support -- supplemental package will be needed to support the war. host: and whether a supplemental package will be needed for defense spending to offset some of those cuts in the debt ceiling bill, right? guest: yeah. host: all right. let's take another caller. robert is on the democratic line in franklin, kentucky. caller: hello. host: you are on, robert. caller: i'm calling about the debt ceiling. if steve ban none got -- bannon got $4 million back he stole. marjorie taylor greene would get the money back from covid. matt gaetz get the money back from covid. kim kardashian, trump around her waist, he gave her money for covid. think of the money we would have. we would have no problem about giving the poor people a few dollars. thank you. guest: i don't have any comments on kim kardashian. host: darell. darell is in matthews, north carolina, independent line. caller: good morning. for you

>> yeah, mitch mcconnell is probably the most worried about that.cause it makes his job much harder if he's in the minority, right? this is something we heard from him then, and this is also what my colleagues reported we heard from republicans in 2022. they would not come on any television channel and say it. but they knew, and they were worried about what was going to happen as donald trump was endorsing these candidates and donald trump endorsed candidates were going to win. now we can actually get him possibly being extra on the ballot. for them, that's even worse. i will say, to go back to ron desantis for a second, but he also campaigned for blake masters, adam laxalt, joe day in colorado, he also endorsed don bullock and herschel walker in georgia. all of those candidates lost. it's not just about his policies. he's also choosing some of these candidates who end up losing. the culture of losing is not just donald trump's to carry on his back. for republicans. it's as you say, these candidates who are seen by the majority of folks in the state

in fact, mitch mcconnell made the bargain explicit in an interview he gave to cnn yesterday. was asked if he has a litmus test for republican candidates then said, he doesn't care who the candidates are or what they do he only cares about winning. >> when i asked him, do you prefer republican candidates who might be in the mold of donald trump, or liz cheney who battled donald trump's election lies, he said, "i'm for candidates who will win, and i don't have a litmus test one way or the other." >> trump versus cheney, essentially asking leader mcconnell which republican party would you prefer liz cheney or donald trump "i don't have a litmus test. i'm for people who get the republican nomination and for winning. >> seth: in a way, i appreciate the honesty. and i'm sure as he said it, he was doing that creepy little smile he does. like, he's in that new movie [ laughter ] mcconnell and the gop have made it clear, they don't care how badly trump and his cronies degrade our institution, they just want to win so, they're going to keep sinking lower. they would support the bull fr

that the house has passed the debt limit deal, senate majority leader schumer and republican leader mcconnellate how to bring it to the floor and how many amendments will be offered and when votes will take place. monday is the deadline to avoid default when the federal government will not be able to pay all of its bills. as we wait to hear about the plan from senator schumer, they will work on repealing president biden's student loan forgiveness program. we'll take you live now to the senate floor on c-span2. the president pro tempore: the senate will come to order. the chaplain, dr. barry black, will lead the senate in prayer. the chaplain: let us pray.

mcconnell has been a little bit quiet right now. he knows this is what's important.rship taking a completely different tack and as they have for the past six years or so completely racing to trump's defense. making outrageous accusations against anyone who seeks to hold him accountable. >> do you expect senator mcconnell to issue a statement when he returns to the capitol this week admonishing the former president after reading through this indictment or do you think it's gonna be more of a -- kind of response to what is in these 49 pages? >> he's pretty much held his distance from trump whenever he was able to. he made some very strong statements in the wake of the january 6th attack. pull those punches and voted against impeachment. i guess i would predict he wouldn't go out of his way to weigh in on this. as everybody should, should let the rule of law and criminal justice process play out without trying to projected. -- >> do you have evidence that the president when he was president now former president actually declassified these documents before he took them?

both speaker kevin mccarthy and mcconnell put out statements relatively quickly praising the student loan decision, but they still have not weighed in on the gay rights case. and i think that really shows you this continues to be a tricky decision for republicans as the last decade or so public support for gay marriage has dramatically shifted. so you get a sense why republicans are reluctant to weigh in on that case, and meanwhile democrats are devastated and furious on what has transpired this week. it has been setback after setback. democrats urging joe biden to come up with some sort of plan "b" to provide relief for student loan borrowers. and senate minority leader chuck schumer he wrote the fanatical maga right have captured the supreme court and achieved dangerous progressive policies they can never obtain at a ballot box. these maga supreme court feels free to accept lavish gifts and vacations from their powerful friends all while refusing to help every day americans. we'll see the rallying cry the way they did in the overturning of roe v. wade. but right now it is clear the

i think leader mcconnell absolutely hit it on the head. i think he's probably as responsible as anybody is for actually getting this deal done in this bipartisan way, even though we knew we were taking a risk. that's one of the reasons why on the floor of the senate you heard a lot of us going to both leadership camps saying we want commitments that we're going to get all 12 appropriation bills on the floor. that's the next major hurdle in terms of the appropriate defense spending after we get the nbaa finished this year. >> do you think we should change the way we handle the debt ceiling? or considering that republicans got a way to at least slow down spending a bit, that this only reinforces the idea that it should be used as a wedge? >> yeah. look, it's become a tool to point out the fact that we're spending more than we're taking in every single year. and there is no real other location to go except the appropriations process, which seems to only work part of the time. we really need to overhaul the appropriations process so that we ca

>> we know mitch mcconnell said, we know mitch mcconnell left the mcdonald trump part of the republicanthe same polls that are starting to come out now that have shown overwhelmingly republican voters think this is political, people are out to get donald trump. there have been two years and years of groundwork laid to make this case. it's overwhelming that's where the republican voters are. he doesn't see a lot of upside in that. i will experience going back to access hollywood, this is the same thing. after that, i was working for paul ryan at the time. we came out, they said forget this guy. and we realized no one was standing behind us. because the voters weren't there in that continue to be the case. this is travel politics, you know that. when people see that their guys being attacked they will rally behind him. it happens time and time again, no one should be surprised by the civil. this is where republican politics are now, mitch mcconnell goes this is not where his voters are now, he doesn't want to divide his comrades by being the one guy saying let's get rid of him. >> it may

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mcconnell and i put out a joint statement that said we would look at finding ways to fund things we really needed. but through the regular appropriations process which would always go forward. when they came to me and asked me to do this i said it was a good idea. [indiscernible] >> the mountain valley pipeline was part of the whole deal i struck with mansion for the ira. it does a huge amount of good for the environment. i stick by my word. >> emergency funding could be used about these caps? does that means from your perspective these caps are not really real? sen schumer: we have always funded emergencies and that passes available to us today. we did not underestimate kevin mccarthy and we knew they had two choices when they were dithering. one, they could not put out a plan to pass a bill on its own. we knew the plan would be so bad it would give us the upper hand in any negotiation. it worked out very well. that is the bottom line. >> would you do a supplemental defense spending bill, which you require an nondefense supplementary bills well? sen schumer: we said it was a possibility t

you know, there's a few, i think mitch mcconnell will stay quiet.u'll see, jake, because i've lived this for as many years as donald trump was president, where as a rank-and-file member republican, you're sitting around, probably canceling all your events this weekend, and waiting for somebody to come forward with some powerful nuanced argument that you can use including things like, well, we now have to let the trial take place. and so i think what you'll see best of anybody, the best we can hope for is silence from a few people. but i really don't expect them to come out -- there is really bad, though. it's possible. but it's -- there's the cowardice, frankly, has just been -- again, it continues to surprise me daily. >> that was a word that algeber gonzalez used earlier, about people like -- people who had harsh words for what hillary clinton did when it came to insecure email servers and classified documents which pales in comparison by any measure to this. congresswoman lofgren, in march you said that trump's rhetoric regarding his possible ind

both chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell are pushing for a speedy resolution. for that to happen, the bill needs more than 60 votes to overcome any filibuster attempt. they also need to make sure that no amendment gets 60 votes because if an amendment were to pass, the whole thing would have to go back to the house again. so for leadership to review, yes on 60 for the bill, no on 60 for amendments. and lauren fox is up on capitol hill in the middle of it all for us. your attention now turns to the senate, lauren, what are you seeing? >> reporter: yeah, that overwhelming vote last night in the house now sends the momentum to the other side of the u.s. capitol where we are waiting to see whether or not republican and democratic leaders can come together on some kind of time agreement that means unanimous consent of all 100 senators who have to agree to advance this bill expeditiously. that is the huge question, how quickly are they going to be able to move, are they going to be able to salvage the weekend, are they going to be able to make sure that they do not h

mcconnell said it's a choice to borrow.s not a choice to borrow when you don't have enough money to cover tuition. host: thank you so much for telling your experience. let's go to carry, out of north carolina, a graduate. caller: i want to say two things. several callers said they could save. that was something that was on the table, if someone gets down the pipe. you're paying off your student loans, you break your back or other things, that will pull you all the way down. bankruptcy was the end-all, be-all. nobody wants to file bankruptcy but if you get into that right, that was our thing. when i entered, hopefully it will never have to happen. ultimately, as a single parent, i did break my back and i love nothing more graduating. not getting help from a state college in new york and when i entered the work forests, and what happens? you have too much debt we will not hire you until you pay off x, y, z debt. that was a beauty. nobody has wanted to talk about that across the board. when i am looking at things like mcconnel

. >> that sets off a clash between he and mitch mcconnell who thinks more funding is needed.pecially does not want to fund ukraine. doesn't. speaker mccarthy said as the leader he believes it's critically important. the question with mcconnell saying we're probably going to need this money, with other hawks, i'll call them that, saying we'll need this, what is going to happen? >> it's a great question and i think this is also asymbolic of the growing divide between the republican party that is manifesting right now between house republicans and senate republicans. you have a lot more defense hawks in the senate. now, let's take a step back. the white house hasn't actually asked for a ukraine supplemental. hasn't said it will definitely be necessary. we're all just assuming it most likely will be necessary, and that's when this fight will happen. but what's clear is that mccarthy as we speak right now is getting a lot of pressure from his hard right on other issues and so this internal politics is playing a lot. >> the hard right is mad at mccarthy over the debt limit deal and