yes in the end am i paid mcdougall $150,000 to silence her. she signed the deal just before the election. randi joins me now what is karen mcdougal said about the trump's recent indictment. if anything, well, anderson. she's kept a pretty low profile, as all of this recently has been unfolding. she hasn't issued any formal response to the indictment or to that statement , of fact, with all the details in it, where she is referred to as a woman one, but she did post on her social media today, sort of a tongue in cheek post and here's what she wrote on instagram. i've been out and about enjoying god's country. i hope i didn't miss anything with a smiley face. emoji. so anderson she certainly trying to make light. of this very historic and serious moment that she, too, is at the center of randy appreciate it. thank you. coming up a historic meeting today between house speaker kevin mccarthy and the leader of taiwan, the first of its kind on u. s soil and follows the footsteps that very controversial meeting last year with former speaker nancy pel

now, randi kaye has more on karen mcdougal story. met donald when they were filming the celebrity apprentice at the playboy mansion. playboy model karen mcdougal says she met donald trump in 2006, she told anderson cooper there was an instant attraction. you can see him looking at you could see it. mcdougall says. the two later had a date at trump's bungalow at the beverly hills hotel. night ended we were intimate. so there's the sex was consensual. it's very clear. trump has denied having an affair with mcdougal. long before she met donald trump. karen macdougal grew up in a small town in michigan. the new yorker says she worked as a preschool teacher before starting her modeling career. mcdougall said she won a local modeling contest , which landed her in california contracts to relocate in l a and do a lot of modeling their first appeared in playboy as miss december 1997. then was named playboy playmate of the year in 1998 macdougal told anderson she and trump were in love donald trump ever say to you that he loved you. all the ti

if we're talking about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels, talking the about the days before the 2016 election how much will the prosecutors make of that moment in time? earlier i was talking about the "access hollywood" tape, the way he was talking about the former miss universe pageant. are they likely to bring the courtroom -- bring the jurors back to what it was like the days before the election to try to set the stakes for why donald trump would want to be paying a woman off not to say anything about an affair she says she had? >> absolutely, and i think that one of the critical things that we just learned is it's a conspiracy count now, the conspiracy count is important because it doesn't just give the district attorney a legal platform to make -- to bring in the catch and kill narrative, but it heal will likely be what's called a speaking inindictment. as andrew and neal know, indictments come in two flavors. the traditional is a highly legalistic document that tracks what is stated in the law with a very small smattering, if you would, of facts. a speaking indictment, which is

there was no mention of the alleged affair with karen mcdougal. there was some speculation that the alleged affair with karen mcdougal may be wrapped into this case, and as far as what i heard before i left the courtroom, there is no indication that that's the case, that this is focused solely on the $130,000 that were paid to stormy daniels. >> and we should note, we have not seen the former president leave that courtroom. so we have to assume, based on what we know, that this hearing is still going on, which is considerably longer, i think, than anyone expected. i am wondering, throughout the panel here -- >> reporter: i can -- >> go ahead, adam. >> reporter: that's right. i can tell you part of the reason that it's going on a bit longer is because the first person to speak was a representative, an attorney for the media. and they talked about that this case has monumental significant to the public and we understand they are competing interests and interests on behalf of the defendant. but he is very concerned on working on a media plan going fo

to michael cohen, but stormy or i should say karen mcdougal was different. there wasn't actual catch an kill scheme. which the national enquirer, 450, 000, but the rights to he story. her story was not publishe before the 2016 election here. but what is unique about her story, again, the fact that th allegation is that donald trum and michael cohen had ha conversations with david pecker, the publisher of the nationa enquirer about buying storie like karen mcdougal's. which they did and david pecker and the national enquirer, the acknowledged to federa prosecutors previously, th question is, did they go to th quiet state prosecutors, the matt da and the grand jury thi time around? and say what they told federal prosecutors previously and that that, in order to buy karen mcdougal's story was don for the principal purpose of influencing the 2016 election. if in fact the grand jury is bringing charges related t election violation, that i where, was it to influence the presidential election? that is where karen mcdougal's story specifically reall becomes importan

and him and cohen had a series of discussions about who pay off mcdougall to secure her silence. ultimately the inquirer these are felony crimes in new york state. no matter who you are. we cannot and serious criminal conduct >> reporter: but tonight back in florida trump is defiant. >> i never thought anything

>> i didn't hear the name karen mcdougal. we heard stormy daniels' name. >> martha: that's significant. one of the things we were looking to intensify this presentation of this indictment was that we heard david pecker involved in two hearings. he came back at the end and thought maybe that karen mcdougal's part of this story would put more substance behind, this sounds like that's not the case. so the judge says he wants to move fairly quickly. the next hearing isn't until december 4? did i hear that right? >> yeah, no, you heard that right. he wants to move quickly. the next hearing isn't until december 4. >> there will be motions. september -- in august, there are the motions that the defense can file. and then the prosecution has to respond by september 19. and then the next hearing would be december 4. it is quit a ways off. yes. >> did the defense show their cards on the types of motions they're going to file? was a change of venue, a motion to dismiss the case? >> change of venue was not mentioned. when the prosecution

the second instance it was 150,000 dollar payment to this woman, whose name is karen mcdougal in both of those instances prosecutor alvin bragg sai today that the book keepin around those payments, the payment of the door man, the payment to karen mcdougal, resulted in false business statements being made on the books of the parent compan that owns the national enquirer now, that ends up bein important to all of ou understanding here into th eventual fate of donald trum because that factor ends u being important to the crimes, the alleged crimes, bein charged against trump as felonies the contention from prosecutor today, which we did not know was coming in this exact way the contention from prosecutor today is that this overall scheme was a violation of ne york election law, because new york election law makes it a crime to conspire to promote a candidacy by unlawful means. and what prosecutors said toda is that part of the unlawful means alleged here is that thi company paid off all these people with weird sex storie about donald trump and the recorded it in their busines records li

so you went from mcdougal to stormy daniels and the doorman as well. these were enumerated. that's plenty. all we're talking about is the theory to bump a crime from a misdemeanor to a felony. now, it's really significant even that trump has been accused of this misdemeanor, which has up to a year of jail time. remember, donald trump spent all of 2016 basically saying "lock her up" about hillary clinton and her supposed mishandling of classified information that was only a misdemeanor. but he found that important enough to make it a campaign issue and say "lock her up." i think there's a lot of talk about this whole question of preemption the reason i outlined those five different routes is preemption only deals with one of those five routes. it doesn't answer the other four routes that the district attorney has, and the preemption argument to me doesn't strike me as particularly strong new york says if you falsify a business record in order to commit another offense, then that was something that would convert this misdemeanor into a felony the idea that federal offenses are

the fact that they are able to gain the evidence of the payments are karen mcdougall and the witnessesalready know, like my look michael cohen, the nostrums former that that was the nostrums former that that was the scheme. these were catch and kill payments during an election six season. the fact that jurors can hear from them and hear these points made means prosecutors have a much stronger case at their disposal and a much stronger ability to establish a much stronger ability to establish a pattern of conduct and intent. ronan, in terms of ami, the national enquirer, david packer, the question is why would they do it? why would they go through the idea of this publication looking for damage and scurries and trying to kill them? it's a complicated question to answer even for some of the sources deep inside amy who were involved in brokering these transactions. one piece of context to know is that this practice of catching and killing stories and using them as a bartering chip, either collaborating with the public eager to conceal something or holding something over that public figure

let me ask you what you wrot in your book, you wrote abou when he first met kare mcdougal, at the playboyice video shoot, you say, a phot exists of karen, ivanka, melania and donald posin together with some other bunnies, the craziest family snapshot in history. and the day after trump's cour appearance, mcdougal tweeted this, i've been out abou enjoying god's country, hope i didn't miss anything that was dripping with sarcasm obviously. did you ever meet mcdougal what was the concern about her during the 2016 campaign >> during the my apprentic days, donald loved to have our events at the playboy mansion. so, going to the playboy mansion back then wasn't unusual. because of his relationshi with the mansion, with the owner, who's now passed away but i met a lot of playboy bunnies, i don't recall meetin karen. i know that she was in the orbit at that time i remember how frequentl donald wanted to have events there, including one of ou finale parties for the apprentice franchise was hel at the playboy mansion >> so, let's talk a little bit more about david pecker in the practice of catch an

what i can tell you is tha michael was forced to plead to a second crime involving karen mcdougal even though he did not pay any money in that situation, tha money exchange occurred betwee the national enquirer and kare mcdougal to keep her quiet before the election. mr. trump was involved in th understanding that he would be paid the national enquirer 150,000. michael did get accused of papering that transaction, but he pled guilty to that transaction. so that is the best answer i could say. the transaction involving kare mcdougal is the second crime there are witnesses to their crime that are not just michae cohen. and corroborating, detaile documentation, to him as well. >> as i mentioned, in others have described michael cohen i the star witness of this case, you certainly know the ins and outs better than anyone. how would you respond to som of the criticism that this is potentially weak indictment, that involves a quote, unquote untested legal theory that might be politically motivated >> first of all, let me deal with the weakness facts. that is completely speculate by people wh

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are they all 2016 payments dealing with mcdougall and daniels? or did they find other business or tax-related issues that they can charge? that's going to be the test of history for both trump and bragg as we look at the weight of this prosecution. now, he obviously has three torpedos in the water. one hit, this manhattan charge. he also has georgia coming out of fulton county. i have some question about that case, if it's based entirely on a conversation he had to "find additional votes." if it's based entirely on that, i'm somewhat -- i find it somewhat dubious, but that's a fact question and so those questions tend to go to trial and may be difficult to dismiss that case, as opposed to this one that has the threshold legal questions that can be challenged up front. and finally you've got the third torpedo, the one most serious, that's coming out of mar-a-lago. i don't see a strong case yet out of january 6th, but mar-a-lago, the fbi has said from the earliest filings, they believe they have evidence of could be construction, that there was an

and, stormy daniels and kare mcdougal payments are th subject. this is what was called, in his, book not my words, the zombi case it died, it was resurrected, i ambles along it died again. it really animated that alone should tell you, an joe jacoby no trump's lawyer side on the air, and i agree with him, that the book is a outline for the defense. yes it's an indictment of trump, the book, but by giving us tha inside look at you get a lot o pros for the defense as. well >> stormy daniels has bee saying, i was not asked to speak with this team ye. that says that they are no focusing on who was paid to, again how it was paid. >> exactly they don't really need storm daniels. and, there's a lot of talk about someone like michael cohen. michael cohen is a quid typica cooperating witness. they're way worst witnesses ou there. a lot of them in my cases ge brought it in and shackles and jumpsuits. so that will give you an idea. prosecutors have always us cooperating witnesses, they've always had credibility problems, and they continue to use the because

and then the tabloid made $150,000 payment to this woman, karen mcdougal. >> a playboy playmate. mcdougal wanted to sell her story of an affair with trump during the 2016 campaign. >> the final payment, which is the main focus of the indictment involved $130,000 deal between trump's former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen and star stormy daniels in the final days of the campaign. the money here. but daniel silence about an affair. daniels says she had with trump about a decade prior. trump for his part denies any wrongdoing related to these payments. joining us now is you see a law professor worry little to explain. today's proceedings worry. thanks for being with us. i know you're formal federal prosecutor, organized crime was a specialty of yours. so this figures to be year wheelhouse. initial reactions after hearing the indictments today. >> well, i think a couple of things are important. first. this doesn't have to do with whether trump made hush money payments or not or that there's anything wrong with that on the morality of that. you can question what it has to do with his

[indiscernible] >> it also mentions another woman karen mcdougal. >> i am glad you put your finger on that it is not just about one payment, it is 34 his records, 34 false statements and business records concealing criminal conduct. the earlier question about new york state election law. talking about conspiracy to promote a candidacy by unlawful means, those unlawful means we allege include the conduct set forth in the statement of facts. which is additional false statements separate from the documents. plan false statements to taxing authorities. it is not that one wire payment. thank you very much. [indiscernible]

he was charged with the crim of the illegal cover-up by karen mcdougal, people forge this, lawrence,guilty to that. that was an illegal campaign contribution, because kare mcdougal was kept quiet in august and september of 2016 for the purpose of not havin adverse information in the public domain about donald trump having an affair >> lanny davis, -- >> he's guilty of that and he didn't pay the money. all he did was write the paper up to do the deal betwee donald trump and david pecker. that's reporting by the wall street journal >> and you have refreshed my memory can we squeeze in a commercial break here and could you possibly stay for a little longer >> i'd love to, lawrence sorry i went on longer than should have. >> that's fine we're going to squeeze in commercial break we'll be right back with michael cohen's lawyer, lann davis. (screaming) defeat allergy headaches fast with new flonase headache and allergy relief! two pills relieve allergy headache pain? and the congestion that causes it! flonase headache and allergy relief. psst! psst! all good! my name is tonya, i am 42. as

mcdougal wanted to sell her story of an affair with trump during the 2016 campaign. the final payment, which is the focus of the indictment involved $130,000 deal between trump's fixer, michael cohen and the star, stormy daniels in the final days of the campaign, manhattan district attorney alvin bragg is spearheading the case. he says the case seeks to. >> ensure that everyone stands equal before the law. >> these are felony crimes in new york state. we cannot and will not normalized serious criminal conduct. >> meanwhile, trump lawyer joe tacopina talking to reporters after the arraignment today saying trump's name plays big role in how much attention the case is getting. >> today's unsealing of this indictment shows that the rule of died in this country because everyone everyone is not above the law, no one's below it either. and if this man's name was not donald j trump, there is no scenario we'd all be here today. please based on these charges. >> trump is ordered to return to court in december. he is currently fighting not to have to appear physically and many

there were real feelings between the two of us. >> reporter: mcdougal claims she had an affair with trump2006 and was paid off by trump's friends at the "national enquirer" in august of 2016 shortly before the election. the former president has denied both affairs and today, his defense attorney promised a vigorous fight. >> we'll proceed to see a judge at some point, plead not guilty, start talking about filing motions which we will do immediately, and very aggressively. >> reporter: trump has repeatedly attacked district attorney alvin bragg, even posting a picture of himself holding a baseball bat next to a photo of bragg. today, he lashed out at the judge who will preside over his case. security around the courthouse has now stepped up and police are bracing for protests on the day trump arrives. >> david: aaron katersky live outside of the courthouse in lower manhattan tonight. aaron, the former president expected to arrive in new york as early as monday and then as you just reported on tuesday, he's expected to surrender to authorities. still so many unanswered questions here. what

the other one was to karen mcdougal were wondering she's going to be in there. we knew that she'd been called in. >> so that that catch and kill arrangement. and then the final one, of course, the internist, a star payoff to stormy daniels. so those 3 together bring bring together the 34 different counts so we'll just again. meantime, it will. well lay them all out and i detail as to act on each particular count. i would not be surprising conspiracy. is part of each one of those and add a double each of these particular acts and this will interesting reading going forward. yeah, definitely. i will give you a second to look through some of that. we do have doctor nolan higdon. >> a professor of history and media studies at cal state east bay doctor had done. you know, now we have i think the last time we talked, we we didn't really know some of the details are wording. in regards to this indictments and the arraignment that that went on anything that striking as interesting that year-old be speaking with your students about today? >> well, i that >> the denial of

conversations having wit these folks, versus those that are speculating the extent t which karen mcdougal and storm daniels and whether this is an election law violation or th potential that this could be also stemming from the financial fraud allegations of the inflation of the evaluatio of his assets. there is a law that we still d not know when that we ar waiting to get a bette understanding on i asked for donald trump he is 36 hours, katie, to really try to arrange this and make the plans for his new york cit travel, to make it look like a much as he desires he has been on truth socia over the last several days, an not only knocking the prosecutor alvin bragg, bu also the judge for donald trum this is much about the actua potential trial as much as i is about his own political effort because this trial kati going to start in just a coupl months from now but there is a decent shot this could go well into next year meaning that that would ru completely parallel to the major presidential primaries that he will be a contender in >> our thanks to you vaugh hillyard for being live at mar-a-

[indiscernible] >> it also mentions another woman karen mcdougal. >> i am glad you put your finger on that it is not just about one payment, it is 34 his records, 34 false statements and business records concealing criminal conduct. the earlier question about new york state election law. talking about conspiracy to promote a candidacy by unlawful means, those unlawful means we allege include the conduct set forth in the statement of facts. which is additional false statements separate from the documents. plan false statements to taxing authorities. it is not that one wire payment. thank you very much. [indiscernible] >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. funded by these television companies and more including charter communications. >> charter is one of the best in the providers, we're are just getting started, nothing 100 -- 1000 miles of new infrastructur that those in need it most. announcer: charter communications supports c-span as a public service, along with these other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. ♪ >> former president donald trump

we believe that to be susan mcdougal.30,000 payment is mentioned in here, that is stormy daniels. you know, i think at the end of the day, nicole, i want to say here that the fbi is full of incredibly hard working, dedicated professionals. and i think your point i think is so interesting here that they've been politicized. and you think that the fbi has been politicized not just here in this -- i mean, this is the manhattan d.a., but also what happened at mar-a-lago, january 6th, what's happening with those investigations, you know? i mean, your take on where the fbi is today in all of this. >> i have very strong thoughts about this because i did my best to serve with honor as a special agent with the fbi. i served in the miami division, and i can reassure you ask and i would like to reassure all americans, there are amazing, fine men and women that are serving with honor across the country in the fbi. i worked with amazing law enforcement officers across the board, local police departments, task force officers. there are

essentially that in the course of making payments to stormy daniels and others, another woman, karen mcdougalt the former president caused false statements to be made in the books and records of the trump organization and did so in furtherance of these other crimes. host: how strong of a case is is -- at this point -- is it at this point? can you tell us? how easy or hard will it be to prove those charges? guest: not an easy question to answer. we do not have all the evidence yet. we have an indictment, which is an accusation regarding particular crimes. we do not have all the discovery from the prosecution. we do not know what all their cards are. but i should say that i would expect that the district attorney's office would not -- not hold all of their cards close to their chest. they did relays something called a state does release something called a statement of fact in conjunction with the indictment. secondly, the indictment and statement of facts from the district attorney's office are not entirely clear regarding the legal theories and the other statutes they rely on, which is unfortu

and then the tabloid made $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. a playboy playmate, mcdougal wanted to sell her story of an affair with trump during the 2016 campaign and the final payment, which is the focus of the indictment here, involved $130,000 deal between trump's former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen and star stormy daniels in the final days of the campaign. the money here. but daniel silence about an affair she says she had with trump a decade prior. trump denies any wrongdoing related to these payments. one of the big questions is where these payments part of a scheme to undermine the 2016 election. and for more on what is next and what just happened. we're joined by loyola law school professor jessica levinson, who also hosts the passing judgment podcast. jessica, appreciate youretime. i know you've been super busy when you drop your next podcast, how would you sum this up? >> i think this up by saying it's about what we expected, but it's a little bit broader, as you described in the introduction. this is not just about stormy daniels

and then the tabloid made another $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. a playboy playmate. mcdougal wanted to sell her story of having an affair with trump during the 2016 campaign final payment involved $130,000 deal between trump's fixer, michael cohen and adult film star stormy daniels in final days of the campaign. and joining us tonight to shed a little more light on trump's charges and how it's going to affect the political landscape. >> is a political science professor david mcewan. this the state university. wonderful to have you with us. david. we've had all day for the dust to settle. your take away this evening. it any different observations from earlier when you were first to, you know, watching this all go down? sure. i i think that. >> donald trump in the short term is going to raise a bunch of money from this. it's going to allow him to freeze the field for his republican rivals. that's usually important that places in a place where we have to think about what comes next as part of that, what comes next? look, his team, trump's defense team cannot file anymor

as a misdemeanor, if it's not just about stormy daniels but also another woman, presumably karen mcdougal, and if the enhancement is not just campaign finance violation, but tax, that's pretty much going to 11 set of options that the district attorney had available to him. i'm not aware of much else in the discussion up to this point of a charge or a theory that bragg could have brought that we're not hearing is actually in this. >> so, what is your question for alvin bragg if you are at that press conference, which you think he's going to have >> he would never answer it, but i want to know, what changed >> hmm. >> you know, this was something that you had put the brakes on earlier. everyone thought this was dead except for one guy who's with us, andrew weissman who wrote a piece saying this thing isn't dead, might be on a pause, but it could come back one person who thought this was still going on bragg obviously did think something was going on something changed. and that's what i want to know there's two ways of reading that one is, well, it's him being political. that's the trump sto

> let's take a step back your mind of when the players here stormy daniels, michael cohen, karen mcdougalhe door man who can you see testifying i this does go to trial. >> well certainly michae cohen. just speaking up on what - the potential tax violations here you know, that has been thrown out there. bragg baited very brie reference to it. if the tax violation is that there was a conspiracy to le cohen defraud taxpayers by not being income on us, and i thin michael cohen would have t plead guilty to that, if that' the crime that alvin bragg's wants to use year. i'm not going to say that they want - that michael cohen's already pled guilty to multiple climbs including perjury, lying t congress i'm not sure that anyone's going to want to add on th prosecution, side add anothe tax crime to michael cohen, in order for him to testify tha that was the purpose of thes payments i'm not sure that the tax issu is going to fly in this case for that very reason as for all these other players look, the big irony here is we spent the last, you, know more than two years talking about whether donald tr

one of former adult film star, stormy daniels and another was mcdougal and the third a doorman trying to sell information about a father he claimed he fathered out of wedlock. >> under new york law it is a felony to falsify believe records for fraud or concealing another crime. reporter: in court trump pled not guilty. a judge had a special message for the former president. do not provoke unrest on social media. his supporters insist the indictment is thin and politically motivated. his biggest critics echoed "nobody is is above the law. qudz. ." >> it is criminal in new york state. that is the end of it. it is straightforward. >> sources told us he is gaming out how the arrest helped him. his campaign is offering not guilty t-shirts with a fake mug shot of the former president for a $47 donation, how would it impact trump's political future? analysts say it is the million dollar question. you should not expect the base to retreat. >> they will go down with that ship, for sure. >> one way you can tell they might be edging away is if they start to say things like, well, i still really

the karen mcdougal crime tha michael pled guilty to, he wen to jewel in part for, we don't know whether this will be crime separately charged in th indictment >> all right lanny davis ladies and gentlemen, with a forceful and fiery defense o his client we will wait to see what these charges are on tuesday i am joined now by congressman benny thompson he is a democrat fro mississippi. congressman thompson, was th chair of the january 6th selec committee, and he is currently the ranking member of th homeland security committee. chairman thompson, look, a overwhelming number of republican elected officials i this country, they really seem to be arguing that the simpl act of declaring once candidac for president actually exclude that person from being hel accountable by the crimina justice system what is your response to that? >> - no one is above the law. not even someone running for president of the united states the real danger is, i am hearing the same kind of rhetoric that created januar 6th right now, with th impending indictment of donald trump. i'm hearing lindsey graham say we shou

it goes through details of the 2016 payment karen mcdougal and don't forget the doorman. went on before and in fact the election. >> so, that's an important distinction to make. the indictment itself with the accompanying statement of facts how does it figure into the case that the d.a. will present to a jury >> that basically, you know the defense attorneys i was reading the transcript had a fit because the lead prosecutor went through all of the facts and they were saying this was not fair, opening statement at the trial, it basically, that's going to be their opening statement at the trial, they're allowed to do that, it was stated in public n open court, it was provided in court, so mr. bragg will not having any more detailed press conference about the facts in this case. professional responsibility prohibits him from doing that. but it's the road map, it goes through every detail the indictment is just charges and the legal elements and dates. it doesn't tell you what the facts are. when that was first released this is about stormy daniels then i get the statement of

. >> or karen mcdougal >> would you like to respond >> or karen mcdougal i did not have an affair witge tour. as i have stated over and over again, the problem is thos people who are the acolytes of donald trump, no matter what i say, they don't want to listen to it. this is not about revenge. this is about accountability for the first time in donald's life, he is now confronted wit accountability they basically - da bragg dropped accountabilit right on his lap he now has to contend with that, you know i've also been very clear when i stated and that -- people ask me over time, you must feel great about what i going on, what's happening that's not true. i do not and despite the fact that, again, it's abou accountability, i am not happy simply because it makes th united states, what's going on the first president ever in th history of the united states t be, you know, indicted this is not a good look fo america. >> i guess i would disagre with you there, michael cohen. i guess i would say i think president being held accountable, going through the system like anyone else, i think is go

. >> [indiscernible] >> it also mentions another woman, karen mcdougal. are these the charges you brought or the case overall? >> i am glad you put your finger on that. it is not just about one payment. it is 34 business records. 34 false statements in business records concealing criminal conduct. the earlier question about new york state election law. the conspiracy to promote it candidacy by unlawful means. those unlawful means we allege include the conduct set forth in the statement of facts. additional false statements, separate from the charge ones in the ami documents. false statements to taxing authorities. it is not that 1 $130,000 dollars payment. thank you very much. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2023] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] c-span is your interview of government. we are funded by these television companies and more. >> the greatest town on earth is the place you call home. it is our home too. right now we are fa

indictment read, i thought, well, this might be just a press piece to expose the stormy daniels, karen mcdougal and the doorman scandal. but it is actually very elegant charging document. for the first time, it simply criminalizes a politician hiding his dirty laundry in order to win an election. that's what the new york state law is. it says, you can't promote a candidate by fraudulent documents. by using fraudulent business records to hide your dirty laundry. it is really all it says. what his attorney says, there are no fax, i understand what he is saying in that there aren't specific facts and quoting of witnesses. those could be in an indictment. the other point to make though, is, how in the world can i justify what happened by any other explanation? this was a way to defraud voters. that was the intent. it is really, really obvious. so i think it is a much more dangerous charging document than his attorneys want to give him credit for right now. >> so i was trying to observe his body language and how he was addressing the crowd, and i really didn't see any telltale signs. i just saw dona

the second part, suppressing woman one, presumably playboy play mate karen mcdougal quote, the defendant, the ami ceo, and lawyer a, had a series of discussions about who should pay off woman one to secure her silence. ami ultimately paid $150,000 to a woman one in exchange for her agreement not to speak out about the alleged sexual relationship. prosecutors say, quote, the defendant did not want this information to become public because he was concerned about the effect it could have on his candidacy. in other words, it was clearly intended to influence the 2016 election then there's a third part, the hush money payment to buy stormy daniels' silence after the release of the "access hollywood" tape in october 2016. quote, with pressure mounting and the election approaching, the defendant agreed to the payoff and directed cohen to proceed. cohen discussed the deal with the defendant and trump organization cfo allen weisselberg. the defendant trump did not want to make the $130,000 payment himself. and asked cohen and weisselberg to find a way to make the payment. the final part of the sc

the three people include stormy daniels and former "playboy" playmate karen mcdougal and a trump tower doorman who was trying to sell information about a child he claimed trump fathered or -- claimed trump fathered out of wedlock. trump pleaded not guilty to the charges inside that lower manhattan courtroom. becoming the first former president to face criminal prosecution. he has denied all wrongdoing. saying district attorney alvin bragg was motivated by politics in bringing this case. >> these are felony crimes in new york state. no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> so far, the former president has not been barred from publicly discussing the case. although he was warned by the judge not to make statements that could incite violence. late last night, the 45th president went after the judge and his family during a speech. >> fake case was brought only to interfere with the upcoming 2024 election. i have a trump hating judge. with a trump hating wife and family. >> trump's legal team says it plans to file a motion to dismiss the charges.

terms of the actua negotiations of the hush money payments, whether paid by th enquirer to karen mcdougal, or that paid by michael - to stormy daniels, neither o the women who were directl involved in communications wit the trump side, all of tha happened through their lawyers to the extent that the distric attorney will need som additional cooperation, perhap further down the line. i think it was prudent for the to understand what storm daniels might say, particularl since the trump folks have continually wrapped on thi trumpy of extortion, extortion extortion by, stormy daniels but, i don't think she is necessary witness to the cas that we understand they're about to make. of course, that caveat, is t understand the indictment remains under seal none of us have seen the charges. it is become a common parlor game across, town across the country among lawyers, to tr to get those charges, and none of us really know right now. >> former manhattan da, cy vance, had a riveting and give you with - and meet the press let's take a peek at some of it >> why did you charge the hush money case why

that a woman in approach the enquirer said she once had an affair with trumpet make -- doodles -- mcdougal details. >> that he used protection? -- did he ever used protection? >> no. no he did not. paying her for her story but never published it. if convicted the 2,024 presidential hopeful could face time behind bars. >> these felonies in theory have a maximum permission of up to four years in prison. there will be questions about whether his sentence run consecutively right when after another or concurrently. all of the same time. i think that we are in the realm of speculation here. >> these are felonies no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> juju: the case was part by at district attorney alvin bragg. >> under new york state law it is a felony to falsified business records with the intent to defraud and in 10 to conceal another crime. that is exactly what this case is about. 34 false statements made to cover up other crimes. >> juju: is a democrat was elected to the d.a.'s office in november 2021. highlighting his track record of holding tru

. >> yes, the publisher and "the new york times" has reported the key lawyer for karen mcdougal. it will be interesting to see again what more we can learn about whether the mcdougal situation is related to a charge >> it was interesting this weekend that joe -- was not expressing problems with the federal judge, but former president was on social media. so how much, how abusive can you be on social media about the judge, the prosecutor, the prosecutor's wife without admonishment from the judge. >> yeah, i've talked to a lot of people about this the last couple of days giv given the gravity, given what he has posted on truth social this is a judge that has a history with trump in the trump organization he presided over the trial of the trump organization and that guilty plea for alan weisselberg so there's a history here, but everyone has described him as a fair and impartial he runs a tight ship i'm told in his courtroom. as for whether in fact he will impose a gag order, i think that is a high threshold for somebody who is seeking public office running to be the next president

another payment, $150,000, to former playboy playmate karen mcdougal, who alleged she had a sexual relationshipile he was married and was prepared to make the story public, an allegation trump denied. and another payment, $30,000, to a trump tower doorman, who had tried to sell information about a child he claimed trump had fathered out of wed look. manhattan district attorney alvin bragg spoke after the arraignment. >> under new york state law, it is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. these are felony crimes in new york state no matter who you are. we cannot and will not normalize serious criminal conduct. >> reporter: the former president addressed supporters tonight at his family estate in florida. >> alvin bragg of new york -- [ crowd booing ] -- who campaigned on the fact that he would get president trump. i'm going to get him. i'm going to get him. as it turns out, virtually everybody that has looked at this case, including rinos, and even hardcore democrats say there is no crime and that it should never have been brought. >> r

if it's 34 discreet fact patterns, 34 different stormy daniels and mcdougalls, that may be a challenge. but if it's the same fact pattern and 34 different versions of the exact same picture, i think the perception is going to be that that's an act of desperation and the prosecutor is trying to stack it to make it look like it's really important because they have weak facts. >> gillian: trumped up charges, pardon the pun. >> john: andy mccarthy, i know you were not a young lad when aaron burr was tried, you were in law school, as i recall. trey makes the point, andy, an impartial jury was found for that trial. can an impartial jury be found for donald trump? i think since "hamilton," the play came out, everyone knows who aaron burr is. seriously, i think it's a big issue. i appreciate what trey said. i don't know anybody who doesn't know donald trump and has not formed an opinion one way or the other. >> john, i appreciate you and trey, my sons think i was at the trial of socrates. in terms of the fairness of the jury, in the mid 1990s in the very area, our federal courthouse is probabl

i think we will hear a lot about a previous payoff to karen mcdougal, a former playmate.t was the template for the stormy daniels plate -- payoff. there will be details there. we know the basic dna of donald trump. but some details of the case i think could be interesting in the indictment. >> you cover politics, i'm a criminal justice guy. but to get the other side, the democrats who may sit at home because they don't like candidates on the other side, will they say we better get out and vote just in case? if he comes out and puts the photos of himself in handcuffs on a t-shirt, you get more supporters saying we're going to make sure -- >> he starts fundraising. he has raised $7 million, his campaign. we will not know until the filings, in a couple of months. >> it is not about feelings or poles, and election. it is about an indictment and the criminal justice system. it is unscripted territory for trump. he has never gone through this before or faced criminal investigation like this. we don't know what is going to happen. he does not know what is going to happen. many m

and him and cohen had a series of discussions about who pay off mcdougall to secure her silence.the inquirer these are felony crimes in new york state. no matter who you are. we cannot and serious criminal conduct >> reporter: but tonight back in florida trump is defiant. >> i never thought anything this could happen in america. never thought it could have been. the only crime that i committed is to fearlessly defend our nation from seek to destroy illinois, tennis ball sized hail and could see tornadoes and wind excess of 73 miles per hour, here's the rest of the forecast, this is not the only area in that level 4 out of 5 late-night into the overnight, just west little rock, springfield, missouri, also seeing it. that's the dry line on the front, lots of forcing mechanisms as it passes. overnight mighte b into the morning hours in indiana, ohio, down to memphis. a look the threat all the way to you louisiana >> david: we will watch first thing in the morning on gma, thank you. next one week after the deadly school shooting in nashville, we hear from the hero officers right here

payments by american media inc, the former publisher of "national enquirer" to playboy model karen mcdougal who says that she had an affair with trump. why did district attorney bragg not include any of the additional details in the indictment? - so that's a really interesting thing that's a peculiarity of new york law. in the federal system, all of this would've been in one document, very, very lengthy document that tells a really lengthy story and at the end of it, there are the charges. well, here it's basically split in two. you have sort of the story of what happened and then you have a charging instrument, which is the indictment. so, that's why you sort of have these two separate pieces but they obviously are gonna be read togeth. - indictments aren't static. is there a chance there could be more charges in the future? - yes. so, you know, pure speculation, but maybe educated speculation. i was interested in sort of two things that happened at the arraignment yesterday, which have to do with scheduling. so, neither side was particularly interested in a speedy resolution. the next cou