that is damning testimony for mark meadows. burning documents in his office fireplace during the transition period? this new revelation will certainly get the attention of the department of justice. more on that in a moment. hutchinson also telling the 1/6 committee she remembers meadows, quote, having a meeting with the outer oval saying let's keep some meetings close hold. close hold, meaning let's keep those meetings off the books so no one knows. hutchinson testified there were certain things that had potentially been left off the oval office diary. hutchinson also testifying that her first lawyer who was paid by a trump pack told her, quote, the committee doesn't recall what you can and can't know. she elaborated, quote, in my mind this whole time i felt this moral struggle. hutchinson ultimately obtaining new counsel and doing the right thing, speaking truthfully and openly to the committee. her testimony critical in helping the committee piece together their road ma in proving trump's intent. >> the president said someth

"outfront" tonight, all roads lead toe or through mark meadows. that fact made crystal clear after the january 6th select committee just released transcripts of nearly 19 witnesses' testimony, including former white house press secretary stephanie grisham, former communications director alyssa farah griffin, former acting defense secretary christopher miller and donald trump's eldest son, donald trump jr. one of the big revelations, former first lady melania trump did not trust donald trump's inner circle or his own children. that's according to testimony from stephanie grisham, who will join me in just a bit. grisham testifying under oath that melania, quote, didn't trustmark meadows. she was very wary of giuliani, sidney powell, jenna ellis. a lot of the people who were coming up into the residence and talking to the president and also later saying and then certainly when it came to the kids, especially don jr. and kimberly guilfoyle. she never trusted that they were doing things in the best interests of don jr.'s father. transcripts also reveal

they told meadows, quote, our last hope was invoking martial law.e urge the president to do so. forget the typos, they used a lot of them. it's normally the content. congressman bryan bab texas texted meadows in 2020, this is earlier, right, right around the election. mark, we lose trump, we lose our public, fight like hell and find a way. around the same time, tennessee congressman marc greene sent along a newsmax pavement saying that state legislatures can intervene and clear trump the winner, after the writing was on the wall, that trump would lose. in december, arizona congressman paul gosar spread outlandish lies about the dominion voting machine company claiming that china bought dominion in october for $400 million. again, this is not public stuff, right? they're not doing this on tv, this is communications to mark meadows, passing along this nonsense. congressman scott perry but the venue, again, as i said, now the chair of the house freedom caucus, texted about his efforts to set up a forensic cyber team that suggested seizing voting machin

like, what do you think should become of mark meadows? what do you think should become of rudy giuliani? what should become of john eastman? all the individuals that did facilitate this assault on the u.s. constitution? >> well, those that broke the law should be prosecuted and i hope that the justice department will track down all the leads that we have provided and where they feel there's evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt, they won't hesitate to indict some of these enablers of this crime against our democracy. others for which there may not be sufficient evidence to prosecute, you know, i hope that they will be tarred by their association. by donald trump, their participation in his scheming that they will not be invited back into in a respectable society, when they worked to subvert our democracy. you know, i hate to see some of the early people who left the trump administration, certainly under disgrace, rehabilitate either in the media or elsewhere, and of course, many of these folks saw it through our investigation, t

but here's the thing about meadows. and i'm not sure anyone quite expected this when he decided to take the job, at least the people close to him or who served with him in congress. meadows exceeded where his pretenders failed precisely because he did not try to rein in the worst impulses. he enabled those impulses in donald trump instead. as the report makes clear, time and time and time again, meadows was a key player in plotting trump's attempted coup, even though meadows knew trump's big lie of a stolen election was bogus. former trump lawyer alice cannon even told the committee that when he informed meadows that he had found no significant instances of fraud that would result or change the results of the election, meadows acknowledged, it quote, i believe the minerals used to wear, so there is no error there. >> meadows also worked with pennsylvania republican scott perry on a scheme to install a man in jeffrey clark as acting attorney general to have a nice department of justice on behalf of the coup. remember, th

and i guess i would also ask, is it your sense that meadows, to we have any indication that meadows was was this being circulated in the upper echelons of the oval office? >> your first question, i think they can say that they cast a wide net, in terms of what are they taking it in. i think that's a less terrible way of putting it. it seems that anything that would throw off their worldview, they seem to have run with. we have paul gosar for example citing an article from a website some which will be told me. you have revolver news, a far right news outlet, leading a source of some of these people. breitbart. it's all over the spectrum. random postings online. italy gate in particular came from this random youtuber, brandon johnson, and it just kind of filtered his way into all these republican officials and got its way to mark meadows. as to whether or not they were making it to trump, the evidence suggests that yes. there's limited evidence in the tax themselves about whether the information got to trump, but we've heard from january six committee that trump was given all this informa

he bombarded mark meadows setting up machines that would seize voters around the country and put them under lock and key. perry was far from alone. tpm's piece reports that mark meadows was getting similar reports about the italy-gate from a republican in georgia. these are elected members of the u.s. government who were re-elected last month and appear to actually believe this stuff. joining me is an investigative reporter for talking points memo. josh is part of the tpm team who have teamed the mark meadow messages to overturn the results of the 2020 election. josh, good to see you. thanks for being here tonight. >> thanks for having me, alex. >> so is this why mark meadows fought the subpoena? these aren't all of the emails. these are just ones he chose to release. what can you tell us about that selection? >> in my view, italy-gate conspiracy theory, the fact that these wild, completely baseless theories were being spread among the highest levels of the government. in a sense this is what they the committee had access to. i think that in itself tells you that things out there much

from your perspective, what's next here for mark meadows? if you're the special counsel looking into all of this, is there more that you want to learn from him and will they be able to get those answers? >> it's a great question. i think that the challenge for jack smith is going to be the fifth amendment. if i was representing mark meadows, i would counsel him to take the fifth and not testify whatsoever unless he received immunity. i think that, you know, the question is really going to be for jack smith, does he have enough evidence to go to meadows' defense counsel who is a very fine criminal defense attorney and say, i'm going to indict your client if he does not cooperate. i think that's really the question here. otherwise, the alternative would be to immunize meadows in order to get his testimony against trump which is dangerous because meadows may try to cover for trump. i will say by the way that i think it is apparent, you're absolutely right, abby, from reading the transcripts how much meadows was a key here. he was in many ways a

and does it give them leverage against meadows? >> well, they've long had a lot of leverage against mark meadows. he has been central to all of the different strands of the plot that they've been pursuing for some time. this is just added to the pile of evidence that they want to confront mark meadows about. they'll certainly be looking at meadows. the question is, is he already talking to them? are they treating him as a potential defendant? are they going to approach him as a cooperating witness? that will be for doj to decide. but they have all of those options on the table because there is so much evidence that mark meadows was at the center of this conspiracy and knew all about its various parts. >> gloria, what do you make of the fact that former trump aide peter navarro, as well as republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene were pushing qanon conspiracy theories inside the white house? >> it's bizarre. it's outrageous. and i never thought i'd say white house and qanon in the same sentence. and it is remarkable to me tha

. >> the dirt road, empty, into a meadow. car suddenly made a 180. >> and it looked like they were coming straight at you? >> they were looking like it was going to be an assault. >> right. >> where they going to shoot him? ram him? what? >> in the military, and in police, that's what we call an excavation tactic. until somebody either backs down or threats neutralize. the other car kept coming. chad grab the ar-15. >> and i just kept it out the window, and fired out. >> what were they compared to? you they were coming this way? >> they were right beside me. >> right. >> right. >> how many shots? >> i don't recall, i just. >> let it go? >> right. >> chad watched his enemy side window blowup, glass rained down on the metal. the strangers carved beard across the grass. and came to rest on the dirt road. >> i drove over to, and i was yelling at them, and i just remember this young voice, saying that i give a, i give a, like about. sorry. >> please don't kill me. >> it doesn't make you feel good to have somebody pleading and begg

and he sent a message to mark meadows with some variation of that alternate elector strategy, and meadows said we're already working on that in several swing states. one thing you see when you look at the full text log, and you get a lot of that being revealed for the first time in talking points memo, there was a house team, as meadows described it, jim jordan seemed to be a clear leader on that front, ted cruz was identified as leading the senate objection, then they had contacts in multiple local states, including pennsylvania, georgia, and some cases local legislators, one state senator in georgia was texting meadows directly. but all of this seemed to be focused on the idea they could just wipe out the will of the people and end in their own electors. they were, you know, coming up with various pretexts for that. they were lobbying for that. they were also directly pressuring the governors, mainly doug ducey in arizona, who andy biggs said he pressed at the request of trump. brian kemp in georgia, to certify the alternate slates. i think for me, one of the things that really sticks i

and talking points about meadows of coming to them. and the reporting tonight based on this trove of texts that as unsettling as that message was from congressman ralph norman, he was far from the only sitting member of congress who is exchanging ties messages with mark meadows about what could be done to keep trump in power despite the election results. 34 republican members of congress were reportedly texting abetted with mark meadows. and hunter walker and his colleagues have published many of those messages tonight. i should note that we have not reviewed the original text messages ourselves. we are just reviewing what has been reported by talking points memo. that said, we have reached out to both mark meadows and congressman ralph norman tonight. but thus far we have not heard back. i can tell you that when talking points memo reached congressman norman himself on cell phone this morning, when they reached him and asked about his text calling for martial law, congressman norment told them, quote, it's been two years the. and he a

meadows had sought broad pardons, meadows was personally concerned that there would be a connotation of violence associated with everybody who had gone to the capitol that day. so he thought it was an idea worth entertaining and raising to white house counsel's office to pardon those who had been inside the capitol, she said. she added there was a period where several white house staffers and administration officials wanted to pardon themselves prior to leaving and he was one of them. what do we make of this pile of evidence the committee had and really did again save until the end about mark meadows who adam kinzinger describes as their star witness for all of the texts that he turned over, even though he would end up not cooperating fully? >> yeah, i mean, he's central to those -- i mean, i think you described it brilliantly the kind of chaos of the last few days and we have to keep reminding ourselves the chaos of that december and january in the white house and at the center of it all in a way is mark meadows, burning documents, i can't believe barbara would think it was good if

meadows said i like it.awyer installed as attorney general in the final days of the trump administration. clark's name from the january 6 committees told if there's an oil spill we'll call you otherwise beat it. after responding once meadows ignored the texts of a theory about an italian defense contractor stealing the election by satellite for democrats. it may be missing some context. nbc reached out for a response. jonathan lemire, should remain shocking that you had a large group of republicans plotting to overturn the results of the election with the help of the white house chief of staff. >> we knew some of this already but the trove of texts shows how tireless this effort was to get donald trump to stay in office. some representatives from states in constant communication with the chief of staff to the president indeed the gatekeeper, the person in a normal white house to keep nonsense like this away from the president but meadows gets it to the oval office and the resolute desk and donald trump wante

so is this why mark meadows fought congress's subpoena? these are giant just all of the emails, either once he chose to release. what can you tell us about that selection? >> i think most my view the most shocking view, the italy gate conspiracy is the fact that these wild can completely baseless theories were being spread of the highest levels of the american government. this is the good stuff. this is where meadows -- and i think that in itself tells you that there are at their there are much more damaging. we also have some evidence in the text themselves, scott perry constantly referencing the encrypted messaging up. we also collected some evidence to suggest irregular estimates messages that were handed over to congress even that is not the complete record of everything that was sent. there's much more out there as far as we understand, what was given to the committee was only partial record of the fall that exists out there somewhere. >> what you have seen that this is not a complete response from meadows or scott perry or the other

so she said the mark meadows, for one, brought it up. also congresswoman marjorie taylor greene may have mentioned it. and then she made this exam to the white house trade advisor peter navarro. she said at one point i had sarcastically said, oh, is this from your qanon friends, peter? because peter would talk to me frequently about qanon friends. and he said, have you looked into it yet, cass? i think they point out a lot of good ideas. you really need to read this. make sure the chief sees it. and then hutchinson said, she later responded to the committee and said, i did not take this as sarcasm. alisyn, navarro has since been indicted for refusing to comply with subpoenas from the committee. but really, cassidy hutchinson here, now that we have 4 complete transcripts from her, we are seeing a ton more details revealed to the committee then we really previously knew. and that begs the question here, she is cooperating with the justice department. what might she lend to their investigation and what potential criminal charges based on he

but mark meadows is a guy who is in touch with lots and lots of people. even just in those 2,000 or so text messages, he was in touch with more than 40 current and former members of congress, largely republicans, people that are asking him to ask the president to declare martial law. but also, people who were on capitol hill during the riot asking him for help. basically saying we're under attack. the capitol has been breached. please do something. that's what meadows was willing to turn over to the house select committee. but we do understand there probably is a lot more out there. >> katelyn polantz, thank you. >>> i want to stand time with alexandra pelosi, a remarkable documentary filmmaker who was with her mom on january 6th filming what should have been an orderly transition of power in our democracy. she was there with her family, part of a much longer film about her mom's career has just been released. what she captured that day were some of the most powerful leaders in america dealing with a crisis like none before. her work will inform our under

what do you think, do you think mark meadows is a cooperating witness. who else might be cooperating.? >> yeah, i think it's really difficult to know because we have seen such fealty given by people inside of trump's inner circle all the way to the end. spin all the way until they themselves face criminal liability. say for certain how far this has gone but this is an important point is that it's not like the doj was waiting for january six to finish the work. they were seeing this investigation and the special counsel jack smith. really seamlessly and thoroughly they already asked the committee for testimony. it was before the referrals even came out. >> so to think that they are not crossing every team diving every i've worked very carefully. they know how sensitive the subject of the investigation is. i think that would be underestimating them. whatever they are doing, they're following a path. i haven't said that i've been very critical of the doj. i think the evidence is clear that they're moving in a very, very careful and strategic way. >> okay, w

we never heard from mark meadows himself.irectly so the committee was never abl to ask him about what was in those documents. the committee never hear directly from republican members of congress. so congressman scott perry was never specifically asked, in that, setting about thos documents. so the torch here in some ways is passed on to doj, which i carrying on the investigativ mantle of the committee. we know that the doj already sees congressman scott perry's phone as part of its large investigation of january 6th so it remains to be seen how that will all be shake out >> we'll talk about that i just a minute with par mcquade. when asked, one of the thing that came to light today's sor of this bizarre meeting with members of house intel committee at the white house for those who didn't pore over these documents, can you jus explain, recap what happened >> so this bizarre sequenc that hutchinson describes, a where it appears that there ar these republican members of th house intelligence committee who are bringing these doc

mark has more information, being mark meadows.her conversations that we are seeing in the transcripts. >> this is hugely important evidence for the department of justice. in order to charge donald trump with some of the statutes regarding defrauding congress or trying to obstruct congress, they have to show he knew he lost and he was acting in the opposite direction anyway. that's what this evidence seems to suggest. it's not just cassidy hutchinson's conversation with the dni but several conversations she recounts with mark meadows, where he acknowledges that he knew they lost the election and gradually he talks to her and says trump knew as well on december 17th. she quotes meadows saying about trump, he knows it's over, he knows he lost, but we're going to keep going. that's crucial evidence for the doj. i should add that cassidy hutchinson's testimony is fascinating as she recounts the first lawyer that was representing her who came from trump world, who is now on leave from his law firm because according to cassidy hutchinson

so, what do you think this means for meadows? >> i think it's trouble for meadows.is the kind of issue that would put a lot of pressure on him. because i think he is much more exposed than perry, for example, and it's the fact that perry's communications point to meadows. and they show that meadows is centrally located in both of these schemes. so i think that, for his purposes, it's the kind of pressure that would force somebody in ordinary circumstances to potentially flip and cooperate with the justice department. and i think he very well might be doing that and this would just be further evidence that the justice department would be able to have that would corroborate information from meadows or tell meadows, look, we have the goods, so it's kind of time to turn over to us, if he hasn't done that already. >> it's certainly when you hear the special counsel coming in, every single i and t appears to be dotted and crossed. i appreciate it, ryan. >>> and, next, twitter's new owner elon musk now flirting with qanon as he reportedly embarks on a new financial path, w

he got this supposed evidence and forwarded the citation to mark meadows in the white house. the blog he got the information was called some swear word told me. word that starts with b and rhymes with mitch. some blank told me. that's the name of the blog that he cited to the white house chief of staff to justify whatever means were necessary to keep trump in power. some b told me. congressman jim jordan of ohio texting a detailed plan for how vice president mike pence could overturn the election and proclaim trump to have been re-elected. expected to be house of the judiciary committee next year. there is no record of mark meadows ever replying to the messages. but in some cases he does. and there are also reference that's suggest he was communicating with many of these members of congress separately on incrypted messaging apps and those are message that's as far as we know the january 6 investigation has not yet obtained. scott perry exchanged so many texts with mark meadows full of theories about italian satellites rigging voting machine ands they're in cahoots with the br

those techs include tax from clarence thomas's wife to mark meadows and for mark meadows to clarence thomas's wife. the january 6th committee has thousands of more attacks to and from mark meadows and this week, talking points memo has been publishing many of them. a public hearing on monday next week, the january six will vote on possible criminal referrals that they may choose to make to the justice department. at a press conference this afternoon, house leader kevin mccarthy was asked about the january 6th upcoming report. >> miss the january six committee's gonna release a final report. are you or any of your colleagues may be referred for criminal. >> answer last question, no, not at all we did nothing wrong. >> many of donald trump's staunchest allies in the house of representatives are currently making life for kevin mccarthy in his quest to be speaker of the house. when the next congress is sworn in in january, the washington post reports, in the house far-right members are continuing to make demands of minority leader kevin mccarthy and exchange for their support as he despe

meadows put documents in his fireplace?assidy hutchinson, yes, ma'am miss cheney, and do you know what the documents were? hutchinson replies i don't know. and miss cheney, how frequently did you see him do this? miss hutchinson, i mean, it's hard, i want to say once a week or twice, i can recall specific times that i did maybe a dozen, just maybe over a dozen, trump white house chief of staff mark meadows was regularly throwing white house documents into the fireplace, in the period directly before and after january 6th. now, we don't know what was in those documents that mark meadows was burning. but cassie hutchinson does go to describe several incidents in which meadows burned documents after meeting with pennsylvania congressman scott perry, trump ally who apparently sought a pardon from trump in his role for trying to overturn the election quote, miss hutchinson, quote, i know between two and four times meadows had mr. perry in his office right before burning the documents? miss cheney, do you know what mr. perry was

not just meadows. that's one of the things that sticks out in these text messages with meadows. he's sharing some theories that are floating in far right publications, but he's also trying to get in touch. he's asking mark, give him other contacts that he can get to. so, if the justice department does try and get access to more text messages, that is what else they may be able to see. not just meadows text, but other communications perry had with others. >> right, there is a secret legal fight to get perry's tax. how likely is it there are more congressional text messages than what meadows turned over? >> very likely, actually. we know that there are about, a little more than 2000 text messages in the house of the hands of the house select committee in that we, at cnn, have been able to report on. but mark meadows is a guy who is in touch with lots and lots of people, even just in those 2000 or so text messages. he was in touch with more than 40 current and former members of congress, largely republicans, people that were asking him to ask the president to declare martial law. b

meadows replied he loved that idea.rt of our plan to trap raffensperger to see if he could be trusted. another exchange shows meadows agreeing to meet with georgia republican allen after he tells him he has a source he could prove there was election fraud. there's a source that is feeding his source. he then sends meadows a conspiracy theory about romanians and ukrainians stealing u.s. identifications -- we are not making this stuff up. joe, some of the texts we talked about yesterday included our running joke, yours and mine, about the italian dude with the satellite. that conspiracy theory being taken very seriously by mark meadows passed on to donald trump who then went to the justice department and said look into the italian dude with the satellite that used the satellite to change votes from trump to biden. >> speaking of running jokes, you remember back in 1947, you and i come back from the war and what do we do? >> sure. >> we are like, we saw patton and he needed more oil -- what did we say? what if we created s

why are you going through mark meadows?e said my father doesn't text and he believed he would reach out to mark meadows to do this on his behalf. it's interesting to see donald trump jr. asking his father to condemn the violence on january 6th. you go back two months to november 5th, there were other text messages that he was actually sending to mark meadows, outlining strategies, sharing ideas for how his father could remain in power. what's interesting, in these text messages, he's basically outlining a strategy that is nearly identical to the one that was ultimately adopted by his father and his allies as they attempted to undermine the certification of the electoral college over the next two months. now, what's also interesting here, donald trump jr. says he doesn't remember where the ideas came from. who sent him the strategy. he was just passing along the idea that he said seemed the most well laid out. also notable that mark meadows, throughout the transcript, over the past week or so as we've been looking through th

and lots of cases, there's no record of mark meadows ever replying to the messages. but in some cases he does. and there are also references that suggest he was communicating with many of the members of congress separately on encrypted messages apps that are messages the january 6th investigation has not obtained. congressman scott perry of pennsylvania exchanged so many texts with mark meadows full of broken conspiracy series about italian satellites and cia director being in cahoots with the british government shall the british government? to steal the election for biden, why would the cia works with brits? there was so much of that from republican congressman scott perry, talking points memo has a separate article tonight dedicated just to scott perry's text to and from the white house chief of staff. congressman scott perry chairs something called the house freedom caucus a powerful group far right republicans whose power will free under the republican razor thin house majority. it may be the entities that determines who gets to be the next republican speaker of

mark meadows right back, thanks jason, you're the best.s him furthering it but still kind of this we'll we're decipher. well, there's that, there is a text caught talking points memo revealed from jim jordan saying basically you've got to get mike pence to stop the certification in congress. and meadows says i'm working on it. i'm pushing. not sure if it's going to happen. so he was involved in all of this. he's in the phone call to join a georgia. he refuses to discuss it in his via book. he refuses to talk about it publicly. he's trying to get out of testifying in georgia. he already testified in front of the january 6th committee. he was up to his neck in all the various coup attempts. you're right, he's a bit of a black hole. maybe when the january six committee points out its final report in the next week or so, you'll have more details if they haven't yet shared with us. >> it's one of the things i'm most looking for, because i do think there's some reason to suspect they may have a colonel referral for him, which would be notable. h

she said mark meadows brought it up. congresswoman marjorie taylor greene, she made mention of this far right wing political movement that has those outlandish conspiracy theories. and then cassidy hutchinson said she had this exchange with peter navorro and at one point i had sarcastically said, oh, is this from your qanon friends, peter? because peter would talk to me frequently about his qanon friends. peter said, have you looked into it, cass? i think they point out a lot of good ideas. you really need to read this. hutchinson said, i did not take it assar camp. so in addition to that while getting new details from deputy white house press secretary, he told the committee he heard gossip the week after the 2020 election from some of his colleagues at the white house that trump in fact was considering conceding and considering inviting the bidens to the white house. judd said he was looped in on this, on the conversations because he is the one who would have been arranging the press access for any sort of visit for th

to then white house chief of staff mark meadows.ys out a plan, a way to keep his father in power by subverting the electoral process. and what's significant is that the plan that he shares and outlines is almost identical to the one that was adopted by the former president and his allies in the months that follow. trump said he was not the original architect of this plan, he can't even remember who sent it to him, but he said he wanted to share this specific idea with meadows because he said it was, quote, the most sophisticated and detailed. and that it sounded plausible. now, initially meadows didn't respond or engage in this text message exchange. but when trump followed up meadows said "much of this had merit. working on this for pennsylvania, georgia and north carolina already." so here, wolf, you see the seeds of this effort to subvert the election, these being planted two months before the violence at the capitol. and in this exchange this involves the former president's son and his chief of staff. talk about inner circle. no

he put mark meadows in that role as well. >> i'm not absolving the president or blaming mark meadows.re of a realistic statement of fact. the president is not going to end up going down on this here. they withdrew the subpoenas. >> the committee today. >> yeah, the committee did. not doj. they withdrew all the outstanding subpoenas. proving criminal culpability is a much tougher thing than suggesting that somebody did something morally represent sensible there is a big difference between those two. i think what the department of justice is going to try to do is get convictions. they're not going to be able to do that with the president. they're going to do that with other people. >> really quick, john, do you agree with that? >> i don't necessarily agree with that. i think an overwhelming case, proof beyond a reasonable doubt is out there against trump. it's really going to be a question of do we prosecute a former president, not whether we can and have it nailed, which i think they do they're blowing away all the privileges that are appearing in this report, people like cipollone and

that would be mark meadows, i mean.that italian satellites zapped voting machines and stole the election for joe biden. and mixing requests for presidential pardon, helping on the election efforts. and congressman bigs quote whatever happens, no one can concede. so, i mean, it's literally inside the mind of a maniac, like a crazy person, you read these text messages. i'm not exaggerating here, right. you don't read these and say in the history of the united states, the second most powerful job, the white house chief of staff. and very serious people have held that job in past white houses. these text messages reading them make you think that mark meadows is literally out of his mind, indulging in these conversations. not just indulging but participating in an active way. i want to know if you think i'm over characterizing or dramatizing. we know donald trump not fit for the presidency, and not fit for public office as liz cheney said today. reading the meadows texts makes you think that man was wildly unfit to be in the

those text messages to and from mark meadows reviewable reveal mark meadows to be an active conspiracy tint in the -- by urging vice president mike pence to commit a federal crime and tamper with the electoral college vote count in congress on january 6th. and those text messages to and from mark meadows reveal not just criminal conspiracy, but also religious fanaticism, ignorance and hatred of the constitution and, of course, bad spelling. republican ralph norman was elected to the house of representatives in south carolina when don trump was elected president in 2016. and in a text message to mark meadows, 11 days after the january 6th attack on the capitol, ralph norman revealed his total disregard for the constitution by urging this criminal plan. quote, our last hope is invoking martial law. -- that's three days before president biden's inauguration. and that is norman urging martial law. and like most republicans who support that idea, he does not know how to spell that version of the word martial. that is a true believer. ralph norman had no incentive to send that private commun

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meadows, lol.ghed at powell telling the others in the room, this does sound crazy, doesn't it? a few dlatser the trump campaign claimed powell was not part of the trump campaign's legal team but the lie, the lie itself, that's a lie. the committee said trump tweeted and retweeted 30 false claims about the dominion machines. he did the same about every other crazy theory that was thrown at him with devastating consequences. the january 6th report says all of these lies motivated trump supporters to attack the capitol. if there is someone to blame that man is quite clearly former president donald j. trump. joining me again is ryan nobles. ryan, good to see you. thank you for being here tonight, my friend. can you -- we have a lot going on here. as we talk about the transcripts and the final report, can you tell us whether -- what the relationship is as it stands right now between the material, the evidence that the committee has applied that it has gathered over the last several months and the doj an

aide cassidy hutchinson has told the january 6th committee that she witnessed chief of staff mark meadowss in his white house office fireplace according to newly released transcripts from the committee. let's bring in senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid. paula, it's just amazing, but what new details are you hearing from these hutchinson transcripts in addition to her bombshell testimony we've heard ourselves. >> reporter: it's amazing even after that bombshell testimony there's still more she's revealing and in the transcripts she told the committee she observed meadows burning documents a dozen times, once or twice a week between december 020 and mid-january 2021 and testified throughout the day he would put more logs on the fireplace to keep it burning throughout the day and i recall roughly a dozen times where he would throw a few more pieces of paper in it when he put more logs on the fireplace. now, it's important contextually to note that several of these burning sessions happened shortly after meetings that he had with representative scott perry. now, he is the republica

we also learned that mark meadows and mark meadows told staffers quote let's keep some meetings close. we talk about what that means but for now we will keep things really tight in private. things don't start to look at. perfect all for lawyers and the university of alabama school of law. barbara mcquade attorney professor and michigan law school. also a lawyer but a columnist at the boston globe. jill wine-banks this is fantastic. i want you to weigh in here. what you think there was a limiting piece was and why. how we read the report and how we reading the transcripts themselves and whether this notion is that everyone needs a pardon mark meadows or burning documents in his office. what's being burned was being concealed. this isn't the last name this is sure that the special counsel is playing very close attention to her as well. the point of mark meadows and cipollone those who seem to have the keys to the kingdom. again and again their names as the people in the room talking to donald trump perhaps they're able to work through those issues that prevented them from testifying bef

meadows. all of them dripping with criminal exposure. let's start with the first two, eastman and clark. eastman, was, of course, the one who insisted that mike pence had unilateral authority to block certification, and clark then tried to weaponize doj after the election. and under questioning, they both took a similar approach. >> did you discuss the letter to georgia officials with the president of the united states? >> executive privilege again, just re-stated for the abundance of caution. >> isn't that, in fact, contrary to what attorney general barr had said on december 1st, 2020? >> i assert my fifth amendment right against being compelled to be a witness against my statement. >> is that statement in this memo true? >> fifth. >> did president trump authorize you to discuss publicly your january 4th, 2021 conversation with him? >> fifth. >> they took it so many times, they had to shortcut it to "fifth." and then there's rudy. not only did rudy assist and manage, really quarterback the fa

and while you can't prov trump's intent by looking at what meadows is doing, meadows is certainly able they have solved it, is that people who spoke directly with trump or peopl who overheard direct conversations with trump, fo the most part hit behind executive privilege and said they couldn't talk about wha trump said or how people responded to him there is some suggestion tha that has now broken into justice departments gran juries and people like the former white house counsel suppleness, script is included in this batch that has jus dropped is willing to testif with were previously willing t discuss. >> we know from robert drapery 's reporting was that cipollon was almost ready to do publi testimony at the encouragement of this cheney, but pulled out at the last minute cassidy hutchinson was one t pave the, way and -- whether they're ready to tel everyone or tell the peopl that matter, shall i say, what happened inside the trump whit house in a row january six former u.s. attorney from th northern district of alabama joyce vance, thank you for you time tonight >> thanks, alex. >>