then over the mekong river into thailand. yeah, we had different -- every single thing had to be vetted in such a delicate fashion. in china, none of us were in china, obviously. that was only the underground railroad shooting and one family member of the family who we followed. we were able to be in southeast asia, but there were areas where someone could be but not someone else. this camera could be used, not that camera. it was -- >> how did they trust you as an american? the grandma says i was suspicious of these americans, but how did you work on it? >> for grandma, you could feel the sort of dialectic inside her. on one hand, every time she looked at me, she would kind of tear up. there was this kind of, she was grappling with what she has known to be true her whole life in north korea, which is that we are her enemy, and what she was experiencing in the moment, in the present. and it was this unfolding that was extraordinary. >> when we come back, we'll find out what happened to the row family. did they make it to free