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melissa harris-perry, ann morning, thank you for your time tonight. make sure you catch more on melissa and her cable exclusive interview with rachel dolezal tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on "all in with chris hayes." be sure to catch melissa harris-perry weekends starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern right here on msnbc. >>> and what do you think about it? the conversation is heating up online. find us on facebook and send us a tweet @politicsnation. >>> coming up donald trump is running for president. it's not a reality show. and it could be a big problem for the gop. >> i'm really rich. i'll share you that. i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. >>> also the first lady's trip to london is already making headlines around the world. you total your brand new car. nobody's hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd ge

just hours ago the 37-year-old sat down with msnbc's melissa harris-perry. >> i've heard a lot of people ask you the question are you african-american or caucasian. i'm not going to ask it that way. >> all right. >> are you black? >> yes. >> what do you mean when you say that? what does it mean to you to assume the mantel the identity of blackness? >> well, it means several things. first of all, it means that i have really gone there with the experience in terms of being a mother of two black sons and really owning what it -- what it means to experience and live black -- blackness. and so that's one aspect. another aspect would be that i -- from a very young i imagine a felt -- i don't know spiritual, visceral just very instinctual connection with black is beautiful, you know just -- just a black experience and wanting to celebrate that. and i didn't know how to articulate that as a young child. kindergarten, whatever you don't have words for what's going on. but certainly that was -- that was shut down. i mean i was socially conditioned to not own that and to be limited to whatever biol

rachel dolezal tells melissa harris-perry she understands why some people are angry that she identifies herself as black. >> they don't know me. they really don't know what i've actually walked through and how hard it is. >>> deadly collapse. five people are killed a block from the berkeley campus when a call balcony falls four stories from a brand new high rise. >> it looks like it may have collapsed from the fourth floor and struck the third floor balcony just below it. but we don't know specifically, you know how it's happened at this point so that's going to be all part of the investigation to determine what happened. >>> on the trail. we are live in new hampshire as jeb bush arrives for his first campaign stop as a candidate for the white house. >> and i've decided i'm a candidate for president of the united states of america. i intend to let everyone hear my message, including the many who could express their love of country in a different language. [ speaking spanish ] >>> and "meet the press," hillary clinton answers my question about how she squares her populous rhetoric with h

rachel dolezal tells melissa harris-perry she understands why some people are angry that she identifies black. >> they don't know me. they really don't know what i've actually walked through and how hard it is. >>> deadly collapse. five people are killed a block from the berkeley campus when a call balcony falls four stories from a brand new high rise. >> it looks like it may have collapsed from the fourth floor and struck the third floor balcony just below it. but we don't know specifically, you know how it's happened at this point so that's going to be all part of the investigation to determine what happened. >>> on the trail. we are

the former leader of the naacp chapter in spokane, washington is talking to melissa harris-perry this she's been at the center of a firestorm after her parents went public saying she's white, even though dolezal identifies as black. francis rivera joins me with more. what is she saying now? >> rachel dolezal is saying a lot. she's addressing several issues this morning, less than 24 hours after she resigned from her leadership position with the naacp chapter in washington state. just moments ago, she spoke to melissa harris-perry about the controversy that's making headlines across the nation. >> i've heard a lot of people ask you the question are you african-american or caucasian. i'm not going to ask it that way. are you black? >> yes. >> what do you mean when you say that? what does it men to you to assume the identity of blackness? >> well it means several things. first of all it means that i have really gone there with the experience in terms of being a mother of two black sons and really owning what it means to experience and live black blackness. and so that's one aspect. anoth

. >> after the break my colleague melissa harris perry will be here. what does dolezal have to say to the people who are enraged she is claiming to be black? we'll play her response next. ♪ [music] ♪ jackie's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today her doctor has her on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. ♪ mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys ♪ ♪ don't let'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks ♪ boys? ♪ mamas, don't let your babies...♪ stop less. go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in and you can get 0% apr plus a one-thousand dollar volkswagen credit bonus on 2015 passat tdi clean diesel models. put your hand over your heart. is it beating? good! then my nutrition heart health mix is for you. it's a wholesome blend of peanuts, pecans and other delicious nuts specially mixed for people with hearts. planters. nutrition starts with nut. >>> hours ago rachel dolezal

she sat for an interview with melissa harris-perry. >> from a young age felt a i don't know if it was a spiritual, visceral just very instinctual connection with, you know, black is beautiful. just the black experience and wanting to celebrate that. and i didn't know how to articulate that as a young child. >> dolezal does not align her identity with her biology. >> certainly that was shut down. i was socially conditioned to not own that and to be limited to whatever biological identity was thrust upon me and narrated to me. >> and joining us tonight for the discussion dr. jeff gardeer. and also selena maxwell. and michael eric duncan. i want reaction from all of you without really a question. just your reaction to what you just heard and what you have seen in heard in the interview. >> well i've gone from being sort of joking about the story to being very serious and a little bit upset about the story. what i was looking for in her interview was an acknowledgment that her experience even if she does identify as a black woman, where biologically like you said she is not. her experienc

here's what she had to say in an interview with melissa harris-perry. >> from a very young age felt a just very instinctual connection with black is beautiful, you know just the black experience and wanting to celebrate that. and i didn't know thou articulate that as a young child. kindergartner, you don't have words for what's going on. but certainly that was shut or whatever. you don't have words for what's going on. but certainly that was -- that was -- i mean i was socially conditioned to not own that and to be -- be limited to -- to whatever biological identity was thrust upon me. >> jonathan you've been talking on this you've been writing about it i want to hear what you think. >> look had rachel dolezar simply said yes, i identify with that connection, i feel a connection to that community, that would have been great. if she had done that and not fabricated her own life stole, if she had just said i identify as black yes -- >> what does that mean identify as black? >> someone who identifies with the culture, who identifies with the people who feel strongly not just here but her

in an interview with msnbc with melissa harris perry. >> i have gone there with the experience in terms of being a mother with two black sons and really owning what it means to experience and live blackness. >> reporter: even as a white child growing up montana was conditioned as black but was learned not to own it. >> out of a young age, a visceral connection with black is beautiful. >> reporter: she says as a child, she preferred to draw picture fs herself using a brown crayon instead of a peach one. but her parents say that's not true. >> this did not happen. this is a fabrication, because we are very in touch with our children as they were growing up. i was a stay-at-home mom. i was in touch with the teachers at school when she went to elementary school. this just simply didn't happen. she didn't ever draw herself as an african-american. >> reporter: they say she's as white as they are. >> it's alarming that rachel continues to make false statements. and have no acknowledgement that she has been doing that and it's become an issue. >> reporter: the way she styles her hair what some

. >> melissa harris-perry will have an exclusive interview tonight on all in with chris hayes. >>> nowupstate new york where joyce mitchell the woman accused of helping two inmates break out of a prison. police are now investigating allegations that mitchell may have wanted the two prisoners to kill her husband. also an employee at the clinton correctional facility helped with their escape. no comment on that from the district attorney who now says mitchell told her husband about some parts of the plan. >> reporter: shackled in a bullet proof vest and a jailhouse jumpsuit joyce mitchell looked frazzled as she faced a judge. >> i've gone over the charges with ms. mitchell. the tailor shop supervisor accused of smuggling hacksaw blades and chisels to help convicted killers david sweat and richard matt escape. >> joyce talked to him about ler involved. >> mitchell's last attorney assigned to the case says she's pled not guilty. >> what has she told you? >> i can't get into that. >> reporter: mirchel was investigated with a sexual relationship with sweat according to sources. then it was m

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dolezal will share her story in an exclusive one-on-one interview with melissa harris perry today on msnbc. >>> it's day 11 of that massive manhunt for those two escaped murderers in new york state. while law enforcement has not found them yet, we are starting to get more information on what may have happened. prison worker joyce mitchell accused of helping them on the inside appeared in court yesterday. a law enforcement source tells nbc news she may have wanted the deadly duo to kill her husband, also a prison employee. and multiple sources familiar with the investigation tell nbc mitchell was investigated for a sexual relationship with escapee david sweet.at. then it was the owner one who charmed her. and the district attorney saying there may be more people involved in that escape. >>> let's get down to business with cnbc's landon dowdy. great to see you. >> great to see you, too. gap is going to close about a quarter of its namesake stores. the retailer will shed 175 locations in north america, most of them this year. it's unclear how many job cuts will result on the move. gap i

i'm melissa harris-perry. right now emanuel ame church in south carolina are holding their first services since nine people were killed on wednesday at a bible study. the city's churches are going to ring their bells simultaneously. the bureau says charleston is often referred to as the holy city a place where church steeples, not sky skrarpz, dot the skyline. this sunday our bells will ring loud skpl proud toll proclaim our community's unity. >> you are hearing the bells that are ringing in charleston south carolina right now as an audio -- as a way of saying we are in unity, and standing by outside mother emanuel is correspondent adam reese. adam, tell me what you're experiencing there this morning. >> reporter: the healing at emanuel is under way. outside thousands line the streets. inside, filled with black and white, people of all races as charleston mourns nine lives lost. inside melissa, in the front row, governor haley. you have mayor riley, and i should point out about 16 rose back, rick santorum is h

amy: melissa harris perry interviewed her and raise that same subject.are going to come back to this discussion. our guest lacey schwartz jelani cobb: and stacey patton from washington. she wrote a piece in the chronicle of higher education and one a major award in journalism last night. stay with us. ♪ ["is it because i'm black," by syl johnson] ♪ "is it because i'm black," by syl johnson and the video clip he played his from the film little white lie. it tells the story of her growing up in a typical of a class jewish household, but finding out at the age of 18 that her father was a black man her mother had an affair with. we also joined by stacey patton is a senior enterprise reporter for the chronicle of higher education and the 2015 recipient of the vernon jarrett medal for journalistic excellence . linda martin alcoff is professor of philosophy at the city university of new york and jelani cobb. stacey, you spoke with professors across the country. can he talk about their response. your headline is rachel dolezal case leave some scholars disgusted.

tomorrow night rachel dolezal will sit down with melissa harris perry here on all in.dow starts right now. >> thanks my friend. >> thanks for staying with us for the next hour. >>> even for things that we are pretty good at, even for things that we are paid to do, all of us have our limits. part of being an adult is recognizing the outer boundaries of what we are capable of as people. so my job, for instance is understanding and explaining the news and in order to do that job i do a lot of exposition in terms of just raw factual explanation of what is going on in the world and the news. i also do analysis to explain what is important going on in the news or what makes it interesting. i don't think i'm the best at my job. there are people in this building that are better than me at every aspect of my job. mostly i am glad this is my job because i love doing it.

i'm melissa harris-perry.following a number of stories, including the naacp leader who lahas been in the headlines. but first, s.w.a.t. officers in dallas texas are using a robot to examine a vehicle right now. s.w.a.t. officers shot the suspect through the windshield of his fan and the robot is being used to determine whether the suspect is dead this started after midnight when one or more of the suspects inside a black van struck a police squad car and opened fire on officers. that crash and shootout happened outside the police department headquarters in dallas texas. the officers chased the van into the town of hutchins where there was anothermore gunfire. joining me now from outside police headquarters in dallas nbc news correspondent, charles hadlock. what do we know now that we didn't know in the last hour about that man inside the van. >> we believe he may be dead. police sharp shooters using a .50 caliber rifle shot into the engine block to disable the vehicle, when negotiations apparently stalled, fea

i'm melissa harris-perry.ay during our race segment, i tackled the story of rachel dolezal, the president of the spokane naacp, who was out talking about her race. i was fascinated by her personal story, but i'm more interested in the reaction to dolezal that seem to deeply affect us in policing racial boundaries. i invited allison hobbs, author of "chosen exile" to join me in addressing the puzzling question of what is at stake when we address racial identity as territory. i want to delve into the question that was posed to dolezal, are you black, may be more difficult to answer than yes or no. if it races a social construct without biological basis, i said this. is it possible that she might actually be black? the best way that i know how to describe this and i want to be very careful here because i don't want to say that it is equivalent to the transgender experience, but there is a useful language in trans-assist which is to say some of us are born assist-gendered, some of us are born transgendered, but i

i'm melissa harris-perry. we have a lot of stories to get to today. first, an update on the fugitives on the run in upstate new york. 21 days after escaping from clinton's correctional facility matt was shot dead by federal agents friday afternoon. the whereabouts of david sweat are unknown at this hour. matt was shot more than 30 miles away from the maximum security prison near the town of malone. joining me now from malone new york is nbc news correspondent chris palone. what's the latest? >> reporter: i saw a search team checking a house and its property beyond the checkpoint on the banks of salmon river. police say they have surrounded a 22-square-mile area where they are actively searching for david sweat. we've seen many state police cars forestry cars border patrol, going in and out of this search perimeter as well as crews on foot and also a helicopter circling overhead as authorities try to track down that last remaining escapee, david sweat. authorities believe that sweat and matt were traveling toge

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you start to scratch away at them and listen i want to play something she said on msnbc to melissa harris perry are you black? >> yes. >> what do you mean when you say that? what does it mean to you to assume the identity of blackness? >> well it means several things. first of all, it means that i have really gone there with the experience in terms of being a mother of two black sons and really owning what it means to experience and live black. blackness. >> i mean i just -- >> please. i'm sorry. >> what did you say? >> lady please. it's funny in a way, but also it's tragic because it does show a struggle. it's the idea that you've gone there. >> that's the line that bothered me. >> what does that look like? >> what does that mean and how does it mean to go there? is that available to everyone to be able to simply say, today, i want to go there and i want to live your experience. then i want to emulate your experience. >> she said she could only be a black child -- couldn't do it as a white person. >> which is ridiculous. i grew up in a black neighborhood. there were white women who dated and m

. >> rachel dolezal breaks her silence and our own melissa harris-perry asks the questions everyone wants to know. >> are you black? do you consider yourself a con artist? >>> plus, donald trump rides his own golden escalator to the 2016 stage. >> i'm really rich. i'll show you that next time. >> it was a presidential announcement that needs to be seen to be believed. >> i will be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. we will have full analysis of trump's political theater.

but, i guess after watching the melissa harris-perry's interview yesterday and after talking to melissad seeing some of the reaction online to those conversations, i have increasingly come to the conclusion that story of the individual human being named rachel dolezal is tool specific and occluded by a swirl of very intense personal issues to be the prism through which we view the massive question of just what race is and what it means. and what's more, that by focusing on dolezal herself, we're being led astray tempted into an unsettling conclusion about racial authenticity and the biological basis of race that are dubious and ultimately morally corrosive. as lawyers say, hard cases make bad law. and one thing that's clear i think is that rachel dolezal is a very hard case. boy: once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. one day, it started to rain and rain. water got inside and ruined everybody's everythings. the house thought she let the family down. but the family just didn't think a flood could ever happen. the reality is floods do happen. protect what matte

i'm melissa harris-perry and it has been quite a week for president obama.d week. and yes, it was a big one. but as always president obama and his legacy are always a bit more complicated than surface appearances might convey. on friday president obama delivered a eulogy that was heralded as one of the most impactful public speeches he's ever delivered as he remembered the reverend pinckney before thousands in south carolina he used the moment to reckon america with its history and to start talking about taking down the confederate flag. >> it would be one step in an honest accounting of america's history. a modest but meaningful balm for so many unhealed wounds. >> but before you think he's found the secret formula for effective dialogue across the racial divide it's worth remembering at the start of the week, the president started to talk in complex ways about race but found that no one could hear past the one particular word that he used. >> and it's not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public that's not a measure of whether racism

. >>> up next is melissa harris-perry. stay tuned. we'll see you next weekend.s you black or white, man or woman? >>> plus mckinney, texas and the fraught question of swimming pools and segregation. >>> the young designer who broke the internet this week. >>> but first, hillary clinton tells supporters why she's running. >>> good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. hillary clinton, the by far front-runner democratic nomination for president held her first big rally yesterday in manhattan and sought to paint a picture what america under hillary clinton would look like. >> i believe that success isn't measured

tomorrow night rachel dolezal will sit down with melissa harris perry here on all in. rachel mad ow starts right now. >> thanks my friend. >> thanks for staying with us for the next hour. >>> even for things that we are pretty good at even for things that we are paid to do all of us have our limits. part of being an adult is recognizing the outer boundaries of what we are capable of as people. so my job, for instance is understanding and explaining the news and in order to do that job i do a lot of exposition in terms of just raw factual explanation of what is going on in the world and the news. i also do analysis to explain what is important going on in the news or what makes it interesting. i don't think i'm the best at my job. there are people in this building that are better than me at every aspect of my job. mostly i am glad this is my job because i love doing it. i work hard to get better all the time. but i have come to realize that there are limits. there are some things i can't explain or at least that i can't analyze in any meaningful sense because there is s

or the other toss the other way now over to you melissa harris perry.y the way, beautiful earrings you're wearing right now. okay he will be on tv. he's good on television. people will watch brian williams. but for once now maybe for his opinion instead of his journalism. >> it will be interesting. communication-wise dana, do you think the message was conveyed and this will satiate the public? >> i think so. i thought he looked humbled. this is one thing i really admire. the humiliation was not stronger than his desire to go back to work. he knows it's a major demotion. he knew he had to do this interview. can you imagine how difficult it was getting up this morning knowing you have to walk in there and in front of all of the people that you used to be -- you were the head of the network and now you're being subjected to an interview by matt lauer? and i thought he sounded very humble. and i think, though the desire to work the understanding that in order to live a meaningful life he needs to have a reason to get up every day, a place to go a goal to me

but for dyson and kareem abdul-jabbar and melissa harris perry defending her. there's a big problem defending this kind of thing. because small business association gives out loans to minorities to women, to disabled people. it's a finite amount of money. >> right. >> not we'll take all comers. it's a certain amount of money. last year african-americans got $388 million. that means that money was for african-americans. if she comes in and takes some of that 388 mill whatever if a bunch of people do it that's money that african-americans will not have to create jobs to start businesses. so all these three -- all these african-americans who are defending this you're out of your mind and hurting your own cause. >> that's like you applying for a small business loan as a female female entrepreneur. >> i've done that. let's look at "the today show" where she defended herself. >> are you an african-american woman? >> i identify as black. >> younger there. >> 16 in that picture. >> is she a caucasian woman or african-american woman? >> i would say visibly she would be

seemed like she was lying even today with not playing to all of the facts to the question that melissa harris perryr, do you think she's a con artist? >> two days ago i would have said no just out of sympathy but the more we learn about this story and the more we learn about the lawsuit against howard university. >> saying discriminated her for also being white. >> yes. >> and hearing her say when i was 5 years old i was drawing myself with brown crayons and her parents say that's not the case. it raises the question when exactly is she black or is she white? is she white when it's opportune? is she black when it's opportune? for me it brings me to that she's probably a con artist. >> you're right about that. you call it a la carte black. i want you to respond to what she said on msnbc today. >> it means that i have really gone there with the experience in terms of being a mother of two black sons and really owning what it -- what it means to experience and live black -- blackness. >> do you think she owns it jamel? >> i'm glad you got this question first. >> she goes there? what do you think of th

tomorrow night rachel dolezal will sit down with melissa harris-perry here on "all in."tarts right now. >> thanks my friend. >> thanks for staying with us for the next hour. >>> even for things that we are pretty good at, even for things that we are paid to do, all of us have our limits. part of being an adult is recognizing the outer boundaries of what we are capable of as people. so my job, for instance is understanding and explaining the news. and in order to do that job, i do a lot of exposition in terms of just the raw, factual explanation of what's going to in the world and in the news. i also do analysis a little analysis thrown in to explain about what's important

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melissa harris perry one more time. the eulogy.commemoration march. this isn't an historic moment about the passage of a law. this is a man whose my age, 41 years old. who young children. his wife his widow was there as he was murdered because of hate. and if we lose that in our rush to make this about our collective healing. so i am in awe. i think the president captured that sense of awe about the grace of these people who can allow it to somehow be about these united states of america. even as this widow goes home tonight, not from tragedy to triumph, but without her husband. and we've talked we've heard the president talk about the importance of fathers in the lives of their children for his entire presidency. and i just do not want us to miss that racism walked into the church that is mother emmanuel and murdered nine people, including elderly women and including this state senator. and we must reckon with that. we must recognize that hate lives in this moment. and when we take that flag down as i believe it will come down tha

i'm melissa harris-perry. democrats have competition. >> to the one in five children in fans on food stamps to the one in several en americans living in poverty, to the one in ten workers who are unemployed, underemployed or giving up hope of finding a job, i

i'm joined by melissa harris-perry.for the funeral. i can see them over your shoulder. i understand the line goes straight down meeting. >> they are. they are stretching for blocks. they have been since 6:00 this morning. clearly, people are here because of the sense of history. people are here because the president of the united states is coming. people want to know how the president will speak to this moment. more than anything people are here because of the horror the rampage, the murder that occurred here on what is now sacred ground. >> obviously, this is a deep wound for the black community. i think what's been encouraging to most of us and everybody watching in this country and around the world is this is a deep wound for humanity. i am encouraged by the diversity i see lined up behind you filling the arena today. and there are overflow crowds. what are the different shapes sizes, faces, the colors the ages what have you been seeing? >> i think we want to be careful here. it's interesting this moment right next t

i'm melissa harris-perry.since nine people were killed on wednesday at a bible study. the city's churches are going to ring their bells simultaneously. the bureau says charleston is often referred to as the holy city a place where church steeples, not sky skrarpz, dot the skyline. this sunday our bells will ring loud skpl proud toll proclaim our community's unity.

. >> good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. i want to begin this morning with the words of dr. martin luther king jr. they have something to say to us in their death. they have something to say to every minister of the gospel who has remained silent behind the safe security of stained glass windows, they have something to say to every politician has fed his constituents the stale bread of hatred and the spoiled meat of racism. that we must substitute courage for caution. these are the words of dr. king offered to the grieving congregation gathered together amid the blistering pain and the incomprehensible loss of four little girls. slaughtered in their birmingham sunday school by the bomb of southern white supremicists. today, the words are not for four but for nine. murdered as they gathered together in the familiar ritual of wednesday night bible study. rechbd clementa pinckney 41. reverend sharonda singleton, 45. sanders, 26. ethel lance, 70. susie jackson, 87. reverend depayne middleton-doctor, 49. >>> myra thompson 59. reverend daniel silva senior, 74. like the four little

also much more straight ahead from charleston melissa harris-perry is coming up next we'll be joinedntroduce legislation to take down the confederate flag from the south carolina capitol. we look forward to talking to talking to him about that. until then, have a great saturday. great job! okay! here you go. good catch! alright, now for the best part. ooh, let's get those in the bowl. these are way too good to waste, right? [ male announcer ] share what you love with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're gr-r-reat! now? can i at least put my shoes on? if your bladder is calling the shots ... you may have a medical condition called overactive bladder ... ...or oab you've got to be kidding me. i've had enough! it's time to talk to the doctor. ask your doctor how myrbetriq may help treat... ...oab symptoms of urgency frequency, and leakage. which may mean fewer trips to the bathroom. myrbetriq (mirabegron) may increase your blood pressure. myrbetriq may increase your chances... ...of not being able to empty your bladder. tell your doctor right away if you have... ...trouble em

. >> hello, i'm melissa harris-perry, you have been listening to dallas police chief, david o.re look at the vehicle right now. s.w.a.t. snipers shot the suspect through the windshield. the robot is being used to determine whether the suspect is alive or dead. there are concerns about explosives in the vehicle. all of this started after midnight when one or more

i'm melissa harris-perry, and today the congregation of charleston's ame church continues to memorializeerend

[end video clip] host: rachel dolezal on msnbc talking with melissa harris perry on what it means to to be black. she set off a national conversation. we turn to you. joe in maryland on our line for african-americans. what do you think? caller: i am a 56 euros left man. ---year-old but me appeared all the hullabaloo is nonsense. younger black people do not realize that years ago black people who were very light use that to try to pass for white because it was an advantage. this lady here has done the job. she is committed to the association naacp. there is no reason to doubt her motives. host: all right. arthur, corpus christi texas. what do you think? caller: this is one of the dumbest subject that i have ever seen as spam. -- on c-span.that pretty much sums up my comment . host: let's go with the new york times says. host: this is the front page of the denver post. " racial identity in america." she is half black and half career and was adopted by a white family. wisconsin, good morning to you. what do you think? caller: this is such a complicated thing. i have four points to make.

joining us is melissa harris perry, "the washington post," kathleen parker.or reverend clementa pinckney. our live coverage continues with a conversation about where we go from here. we heard incredibly inspiring words from the interim pastor. we are looking forward to hearing from the president today when he delivers his eulogy which we were told he wrote 0 himself. he will not be using a teleprompter. he will be speaking from the heart. what do you expect hope to hear from the president today? >> i think the president is going to do a couple of different important things. this is both a deeply personal tragedy that is about these losses of these lives, and i think it's going to be important for the president to focus on the humanity of these losses the reality of these losses for these communities. he's also the president of the united states. this is going to be an opportunity for him as the president to frame these losses as something beyond just the individual. it will undoubtedly be about what this means to who we are as a nation. >> the challenges ahea