how important is section 215 and meta data compared to social media, twitter, newer forms of communication by the terror groups. >> a lot of intelligence people think the connection is monitoring e-mails and social media chat. that's where a lot arrested in the u.s. for being isis-inspired, that's where that has come from not so much from the telephone meta data program. the government will continue to want to keep this. if they had a choice they'd

today's ruling which was unanimous, comes as congress debates to end, replace, or perhaps extend the meta data

cannot bear the weight the government asks us to assign to it, it does not authorize the telephone meta datagram." section 215 is set to expire next month unless a bill is passed to reauthorize it. patrick leahy of vermont and mike lee of utah released a bipartisan statement that reads in part, "congress should not reauthorize bulk collection program that the court has found

still needs to have access to this meta data. it is a question of where it is kept. this means we will go without the access for 72 or 96 hours? it probably will not make a difference but it might. >> you are troubled by it. >> yes. >> on the other hand, does senator paul have a point? three weeks ago a court of appeals ruled the patriot act does not authorize this kind of bulk meta data collection and the program this position program is illegal? >> senator paul claims it is unconstitutional. the controlling legal says it is not constitutionally protected according do a court. with have no reasonnal specific face of private u.s. >> explain that. the court rules that if i make a call to you perhaps the conversation teen us is protected but the fact that my number calls yours which is on a phone record which was then out in the mail, someone could pick it up, the fact this number called that number for how many minutes tax is not constitutionally protected. >> right. we are not talking about a constitutional matter. we could be talking about a legal matter here. congr

look at this legislation that is there, it actually does include reforms, for instance, the phone meta data that created a big controversy here. that's going to be held by the phone companies, but there are lawmakers that have hard questions, and rand paul and angus king has questions, too. we are very much down to the wire. it will be interesting to see where this vote goes. >> we will be watching. thank you so much. >> thank you. >>> hope you will be watching, too. "state of the union" starts at the top of the hour here on cnn. >>> we want to give you an update, john kerry has been flown by helicopter to the hospital and did break his right femur in a bike accident. he was in europe to participate in a series 6 diplomatic talks and he will try to participate in some of the meetings remotely, we are told. >>> vice president joe biden and his family a. difficult morning for them as they mourn the death of his eldest son, beau biden. we will have reactions from washington in a moment. boys? (music) stop less, go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in, a

the date time and phone numbers involved of what's meta data. roving wiretap authority allowing the fbi to track terror suspects who may throw away the cell phones to avoid surveillance and a lone wolf provision for people plotting attacks on their own. out on the campaign trail, kentucky senator rand paul explains why he's fighting these tools. >> the thing is we have to stand up and stop this onslaught of our rights because every day government grows bigger and bigger and bigger. >> reporter: president obama has been pushing the senate to pass the house's usa freedom act. the president says it's not like isis or al qaeda are going to stop plotting against us. >> so what's the problem? a small group of senators is standing in the way. and unfortunately, some folks are trying to use this debate to score political points. but this shouldn't and can't be about politics. this is a matter of national security. and we shouldn't surrender the tools that help keep us safe. it would be irresponsible. it would be reckless. we shouldn't allow it to happen

the focus is on the nsa's meta data data base, with the nsa, be held by individual providers accessedby the nsa. that's an important discussion a useful tool to the fbi. it's a conversation that i care about. there are critical tools to the fbi that are going to sunset on june 1 that people do not talk about. first is, section 215 is the vehicle through which the nsa data base was assembled, but we use section 215 in individual cases in very important circumstances, fewer than 200 times a year. we go to the court, in a particular case, and we get particular records that are important to a counter intelligence investigation or terrorism investigation. if we lose that authority which i don't think is controversial with folks, that is a big problem. because we will find ourselves, the circumstances, where we can't use a grand jury subpoena or national security letter, unable to obtain information with the court's approval that i think everybody wants us to be able to obtain in individual cases, so that's a problem. the second one that's a big problem is the roving wiretap authority expir

instead there are all of these myths about what the meta data program is. ok? lots of myths. and the myths have created concerns among the american people. end i understand there would be concerned but if you look at the reality of the program there are no concerns and i can assure you and i am using this with a degree of rhetorical, people certainly shouldn't be concerned about privacy. what they should be concerned about is the lack of focus on the program. the lack of -- it is not prolific in any way. and i am incredibly disappointed that, you know, we have allowed a program that is so important to the national security to be so ineptly carried out. ineptly carried out. the amount of data collected is so minimal that you would almost think you would not have a program like this. and certainly -- but the characteristics of this you got to report on later as others talk with you publicly. i just cannot do it. >> i have to go. because i have other people waiting. i apologize. craig gilbert. milwaukee. >> one of the items was the effort by senator isaac. to get compensation fo

this is what collects that meta data telephone numbers, how long a call lasts. it does not include contents of calls. the use of the so-called roveing wiretaps. this allows the government to tap several phones for a person who changes phones frequently. and the lone wolf nonamerican citizens believed to be engaged in terrorism activities but not linked to a terrorist group. they passed a compromised reform bill. that is supported by the white house. that would extend all these previsions but makes some changes to the bulk data program, moving it from the government into the hands of the phone companies. republican senator rand paul vowed to stand in the way today. he has said he has vowed to stop these surveillance programs unless there is significant changes to weaken them. tweeting this out yesterday, "there has to be another way. we must find it together. so tomorrow i will force the expiration of the nsa illegal spy program." another republican senator on "state of the union" had a prediction where this was all going. >> i do believe we have the votes. so at

i think the reason that consensus has fallen apart comes down to meta data. increasing sense on the part of many people, my gosh, this government that we have can really kind of make us feel violated or actually violate our privacy. that's not a -- it's a serious fourth amendment thing. it was the fourth biggest thing to take care of. searches and seizures. i think this is an inevitable argument. an argument worth having, timing will affect it. >> schieffer: well, the cavalcade of presidential candidates continues to roll on, what do we have, three people this week. martin o'malley makes it official he's going to run former governor of maryland. he's also the former mayor of baltimore. he's in. bernie sanders is the other democrat that said he's going to run. hillary clinton of course is out there. does anybody -- then two republicans also announce, george pataki and rick santorum and lindsey graham is going to announce later this week. >> put limits on the number of candidates who can appear on televised debate that is going to be a point. >> think about thi

>> well the roving wiretap is important, but i mean, the big issue is really about the phone meta data and, you know, as a fractional matter poppy, that's only stopped one case of terrorism in the united states since 9/11. one was transferring $8500 to somalia to a terrorist group there. if that's the total sum cases to show based on taking every american's foe data for five years, you know, it's thin pickings, and that's really the point here is people feel uncomfortable with this government intrusion. there's no claim that the government is misusing the information, but governments can, enand so the idea of -- rather than having the government keep it is a good one, and that's what the obama administration is proposing, what the house bill is proposing, and it seems, to me you know a very sensible approach and mitch mcconnell's idea of ewe know extending the lone watch, extending the wiretap for the moment and the phone meta data, the issue where people have the most disagreement, but at the end of the day, this is not something that stopped terrorist attacks in the united states no

so chris, what happens if the program of this meta data gathering ends next week?d at 11:59, at midnight on sunday eastern time. at that point the government will not be able to hoover up, vacuum up all of our -- let me make it clear what the phone records are. they're not getting any content. if you and i speak to each other. it would get the fact that my phone number called your phone number at such and such a time and we talked for so many minutes but they wouldn't have that information. the reason it's important is because if there's a suspect number if they believe that there's a terrorist and they get access to his phone number they can then check to see whether or not that number has called any number in the united states. if that number has called any number and there by conceivably you could detect and roll up a terrorist network, so we won't have that protection anymore. if it's a matter of a few hours or a day or so, i suppose it's not a huge deal. but if it drags on as it has for weeks now, then it will be quite serious. >> just for the record sunday ac

to make it seem you need this meta data to do your job when you really don't. understand we are in an 8 symetric work. i also understand i am not the enemy. >> whoa! don't lead to assumptions there champ. >> the enemy always says they are not -- >> i said -- let me finish. i paid for this microphone. fox makes you pay for your own gear. the patriot act was passed in the heat of the moment. i said this before. you end up with bad laws. we have seen this recently with a lot of schools with zero tolerance rules where kids are getting expelled for having a pop tart shaped like a gun. >> brown sugar sin gnaw upon -- cinnamon pop tarts. my favorite. >> thank you. after 9/11 we were scared, understandably so. we allowed our civil liberties to be compromised. we allowed sneak and peek warrants without you knowing it. we allowed the fbi to issue access to bank accounts and records. we allowed our meta data to be scooped up by the government yet again without knowing it until american patriot edward snowden let us know and god bless him i hope he is well. >> i completely

will this change what we do on meta data? i think there was an ah-ha moment grerd people on both sides of the aisle. when we really have a little data that is being collected, how littleidate data is being collected, it is a shock. i think if americans knew how the program was being implement implemented today people would say oh, gosh they are listening to my phone calls, which isn't happening on the meta data program, it is almost malpractice. i think it is shocking to know this. the program is actually not the program i thought it was. not even close. i think you may see multiply in inquiries. it was very unhealthy relative to the national security interest. i think you will see people pushing and wondering why not more data is part of the database if you will will that is used to protect our citizens. the way it is being implemented today i don't know see how it is useful at all to the american people. and shocked by the small anoint of data used by the program. i think you will see potentially people on both sides of the

for being isis-inspired, that's where that has come from not so much from the telephone meta data program. the government will continue to want to keep this. if they had a choice they'd rather throw this overboard and keep ability to monitor other things. >> pete mwilliams, thanks so much. joining me now, i'm joined by new hampshire senator, member of foreign relations committee. thank you very much for being with us. not to hit you with anything unexpected but this court ruled today. i want to ask you about this. congress will have to decide in one way or another. it expires the end of june patriot act, and this program. do you think there's going to be bipartisan agreement? you've got parties on both side libertarians republican rand paul and others and a lot of progressives not wanting these tools. what do you think will happen? >> it's not clear because we haven't had the debate in the senate. last year we tried to reform the patriot act to address those concerns. i voted for alternative that would have reformed the patriot act and the fisa laws. that reform failed, and we extended th

the argument remains for the collection of meta data which is if you're looking for terrorists like a need until a hay stack you have to assemble the hay stack. we'll continue to have this argument in the absence of proof. >> the senate had a variety of alternatives on friday night and saturday morning to just continue the program as it is, to change it where the telephone company the telecoms would hold the data and the government would have to get it to extend it for a few days to extend it for a few months. all of that failed. congress in its infinity wisdom went home. senate returns a week from today hours before the program runs out at midnight. the house doesn't come back till monday which raises kwet, susan, is this going to expire? >> it may expire. in fact the administration says they are winding down the program in the expectation congress won't act. there does seem to be a compromise that could supply in congress which is this freedom act which passed the house and has bipartisan support. >> which would have the telephone companies hold the data and put additional requireme

the meta data collection provided information on when and how long long calls were made, but not the consents. >> 6,000 u.s. numbers from implicated for further examination under this programme and upped the court orders and federal administration. >>> civil liberties argue that the government was wrong to store private information of millions of americans. that's a form of communication that the founders of this country felt dangerous to liberty. an appeal government said it went behind the scope of the patriot act. passed by congress. the judges significantly declined to say if the program violated the u.s. constitution. two other courts are due to rule and the u.s. supreme court is likely to have the final say. >> the ruling comes a month before the act expires. if it feels to met the deadline the phone records programme may stay in force >>> a pattern of practice of excessive force will be probed in the baltimore police department. freddie gray a 25-year-old blackman suffered a neck injury in the back of a police dam. his death setting off nation ride protests over the treatment.

>> that talks about the bulk meta data. we found out the second district federal court agreed that the patriot act never authorized these programs and they are illegal. the nsa will say they were authorized by section 215 and the fisa court proceeded to write a warrant that covers every american citizen. i think the founding fathers would be appalled. but section 215 authorizes the bulk data collection and has the lone wolf clause that lowers the threshold from probably cause to reasonable suspicion. and probably was since the 4th amendment was made part of the constitution. there is 200 years of jury verdicts and court decisions that establish what probably cause is. well the intelligence community finds probably cause inconvenient when they want to track someone so they lowered the threshold with reasonable suspicion. i have a problem with that. >> host: what is that problem? >> my amendment i proposed would shut the backdoor loophole that allow allows the federal government to search the content of your phone calls and e

o do this massive bulk collection of all americans' phone meta data that means we are talking about phone numbers, the calls -- the caller's locations, the length of the phone calls, but not the content, they are not listening in on those calls. that's what will expire at midnight tonight or early tomorrow morning, what expires, but not just that, also roving wiretaps. at midnight, they could lose, if they don't extend this lawmaker lose the ability to track terror suspects who are frequently changing their cell phones so changing their communication device. also the lone wolf provision. that is a provision that allows the government to conduct surveillance on non-american citizens who are believed to be involved in terrorist activities but aren't linked to any specific known terror group. and of course, lone wolves, one of the fears we hear folks in the u.s. national security officials talk about a lot. those three provisions not just that one about phone data collection would expire if the senate doesn't act. >> and athena what do we expect to happen on the hill today where you are? >>

they held that the meta data mattered and was important.ad declaration of experts and researchers that looked at information and found it was rich information. and they found that it wasn't so benign simply for the government to check and say they'd never look at it. if they looked at it, they queried the database when they look for a match to a selector, and de don't just stop when they find the telephone number of all the people that called the terrorists, or whom the suspected terrorist had called, they go another hop, and they look at all the people who called or were called by that level of people. if you ordered a pizza from the same place that a suspected terrorist did, your information will be gathered and analysed. the programme went one hop further, and looked at the next level of all the people who called or were called by it. this is a vast amount of information analyse every time terrorists. >> let me go back to professor wagner. the house passed today a bipartisan bill that would have this information available in response to

there's some real question about whether the provisions of the patriot act that apply to spying on meta data telephone records for american citizens whether those provisions will be reauthorized by the june 1st deadline or not. there's some question about whether or not there a votes in the senate to do that. the house has passed its version, not clear at this point what's going to happen here. >> we also heard from fbi director who expressed concerns over tech companies and their encryption. >> yeah broad number of companies wrote a letter to president obama thi week saying they don't want any limits placed in u.s. law on their ability to sell encryption. law enforcement, including fbi director comey said they want encry so they can get into the iphones and devices of criminals they are targeting with a warrant, but the companies would like to sell encryption to their companies uninhibited by the u.s. government comey saying he just doesn't think they see what he sees and it's a real culture clash now between law enforcement and u.s tech companies and doesn't look to be resolved any time so

what is not theoretical is the risk of terror and the reality that things like the nsa's meta data program have been at the front lines of the keeping america safe. >> i want to give a hit to the obama administration for finally releasing a trove of documents seized during the 2011 raid of bin laden's compound. we learned a little more about the terrorist leader. we learned he was actively managing al qaeda. he was in touch with other terror groups and reading things like leftist, antisemitic texts, pornography. and it is a handy reminder. and important to know our enemy. get machine of these documentore of these documents out. >> the young american foundation did a survey of the speakers addressing graduates. they found the top 100 u.s. universities liberal commencement speakers outnumber conservatives six to one. >> i'm shocked. >> in 2014 it was four one. 2012 it was seven to one. >> whose notre dame's. >> fits patton. >> all right. and remember if you have your own hit or miss tweet it to us at jer on fnc. that's it for my panel. and we hope to see you right here next week. >>> the jus

that i bring to it or i can bring to it and i have brought to it before and the areas around the meta data and how the documents are maintained. building of data bases, and so that both the members, and the members of the public can easily track what is happening with the task force and that is something that i feel is needed desperately, at the task force at this time. and would appreciate your consideration. >> okay. so, supervisor cohen, thank you. >> thank you. >> hi, mr. wolfe i have questions for you. >> how many years did you serve before on the task force? >> probably almost 7. >> 7 years already, so i am curious to know what can you bring that you have not already given to the task force in your seven years of service? >> i believe in the area of technology. this is an area where they are in the as well versed in the area of technology and i work with the regular job and it is part of the work that i do in my regular job. >> with the justice. >> yes. >> and i think that it is an area that not even the staffer for the task force is in the as well versed. and there, and it is very s

it ends the meta data program replacing it with a nonexistent untested system. it relies on the hope that private telephone companies will agree to retain the data. but these companies have made it clear they will not and flatly refuse to commit to retain this telephone data in their computer systems for any period of time as contemplated by the house-passed bill unless they are legally required to do so. and the bill does not require them to do so. one provider said the following -- quote -- "we are not prepared to commit to voluntarily retain documents for any particular period of time pursuant to the proposed house bill if not otherwise required by law," and the house has refused to put that in it. well colleagues, when i was prosecuting phone companies kept the data often three years. some phone companies more. one rural phone company never got rid of this irdata. it was amazing -- rid of their data. it was amazing how older phone calls helped improve the dots, helped improve the facts that were critical in a prosecution. for example somebody says, "i never c

at midnight sunday into monday the nsa would stop collecting the meta data on every call in america.ttorney general loretta lynch warns a vital tool would be lost. >> we'll experience a serious lapse in our ability to protect the american people. what that they're doing now i think is unconstitutional and illegal. the government is gathering all of your records all the time. >> lawmakers in the senate have blocked approval of a plan that has already passed the house. under that new plan phone companies would store the record and a warrant would be needed to see the information. the senate will be needing this weekend to come up with an agreement before monday's deadline. >> the washington monument is back open after there was an electrical problem with the elevator on wednesday night. visitors were allowed back inside at noon. electricians completed service and determined there shouldn't be any more issues with the power. >> visitors to new york can now get a new view of the city. it's both breathtaking and historic. the observatory of one world trade center officially opened yesterd

at midnight sunday to monday the administration would stop collecting the meta data on every person in america. loretta lynch said there will be serious consequences. >> there will be serious lapses in national security. >> what they're doing is illegal. the government is gathering all your records all the time. >> under a new plan phone companies would still store the records but a warrant would be needed to see the information. the senate will meet this weekend to come up with an agreement before monday's deadline. >> happening right now, a new round of iran nuclear talks is going on in general eefva. the meeting is expected to stretch into tomorrow. officials say this latest round of discussions should cover the most ground since the u.s. and other world powers secured a framework with iran last month. >> paying hush money to a form are student to keep him quiet about a former relationship. that's what is at the center of formal charges of formers speaker of the house dennis hastert. he's accused of banking crimes linked to payments he alleged live made and lying to the fbi about th

passed the house with a big bipartisan vote in the last congress and will be brought up again bans meta data collection and storage by the government. but still protects your national security but increases our civil liberties protection. they are very interested in issues like making sure brilliant young people educated at america's universities coming from around the world are able to stay here work for good companies, create businesses and create jobs for more manys. so lots of issues that are important to the tech sector of the economy. >> host: you were talking with google and soft com. google as an issue in europe they are facing. will our judiciary committee have input? >> guest: we are communicated with key people in europe to say in the united states our anti-trust laws focus on protecting the consumer not other businesses. we are very fearful the european may be envious and are trying to use their antitrust laws to disadvantage the companies. one example is google told they could not do certain things with their search saying we will not offer that in spain. so for two weeks in spa

the so called meta data collection provided information on which numbers people called when, and how long. but not the actual content of the calls themselves. >> the total 6,000 over the course of a year, u.s. numbers were implicated for fourth ther examination separate from the this program, and court orders under the federal bureau of investigation. >> but civil liberties argue that the government was wrong to store the private information of millions of innocent americans. that is the form of surveillance that the founders out so dangerous to liberty, and so dangerous to free expression. now a three judge panel has ruled against the government. the program went beyond the scope of the so called patriot act passed by congress after the 2001 al quaida attacks on new york and washington. two other appeals courts are also due to rule on the program so the u.s. supreme court is likely to have the final say. >> this comes less than a month before the spying expires. congress is debating changes but even if it fails to meet the deadline, the phone recorders program is likely to remain in

what i believe is that a lot of the nsa's telephone meta data program is the result of misinformationa is not listening to anyone's calls, reading americans' e-mails. they're collecting data your phone company already has so they can search that data quickly in the event of a terrorist plot. there is no doubt this program has stopped terrorist plots or helped investigate them. furthermore, i don't think it poses any legitimate risk to americans' privacy. what you did do with your grocery discount card is more invasive. >> you totally edition agree with senator rand paul? >> i firmly disagree. the nsa meta data program as critical tool to keep us safe especially in the threat environment we face today. >> republicans are the majority in the senate, how do you think this is going to play out? >> we'll see. >> there's debate among republicans too. obviously with democrats. >> the program expires along with a couple other important provisions that our national security professionals need to track terrorists and stop properties. i'm trying to make sure they have the tools they need to keep

the white house said that the president supports redoing the entire phone meta data program to allowre legal way that would keep the data in the private sector hands. senator mitch mcconnell took to the floor of the senate to defend the nsa. take a listen. >> isis uses facebook twitter, its online magazine and other social media platforms to contact and eventually radicalize recruits online. if our intelligence community cannot connect the dots of information we cannot stop this determined enemy from launching attacks. attacks. >> tyler, this is a program that we'll be hearing more about. this is just one step in the process, but it's a setback now for the nsa. >> that congressional debate will heat up as that law expire expires. >> we'll have more here from the investment company institute in a couple of minutes. back to brian. >> thank you very much. >>> mountain view, california, city council says now to going m google's new headquarters but yes to linkedin. that help you see how market activity is affecting your positions. so when the time comes to decide whether to scale in or s

it includes the meta data collection program that allows the cleanse of our phone data.d nsa surveillance violates americans' rights to privacy. >>> now back to hannity. >>> welcome back to this special edition of hannity, college commencement addresses are to be inspirational, filled with great advice. but sometimes left wing ideology beens becomes the centerpiece. >> this brings me to the challenge i want to focus on today, one where our coast guards men are already on the front lines and that perhaps more than any other will shape your entire careers. and that's the urgent need to adapt to climate change. as a nation we face many challenges including the grave threat of terrorism. as americans, we will always do everything in our power to protect our country. and even as we meet threats like terrorism, we cannot and we must not ignore a peril that can affect generations. climate change will affect every nation on the planet. no country is immune. climate change constitutes a serious threat to twloebl security an immediate risk to our national security. and make no mis

in collecting the meta-data. we've done what we need to do in the house of representatives.. they could take up that bill three more votes and it passes it becomes law and this becomes yet one more issue of history. where we came down to the cliff and decided not to jump off. >> i think the votes are there, when people stand back and get all their huffing and puffing out of the way, this is really important. the usa freedom act that the house passed will do the job. it will protect the privacy that we have. it will require that the u.s. government get a warrant. rand paul is absolutely incorrect, i cannot imagine a judge allowing the u.s. government to just go on a searching expedition of every single phone call that is made by in the at&t records. that's not going to happen. we can get this solved very quickly. >> stand by congressman. we have more to discuss. we'll take a quick break, much more with congressman garamendi. making a fist something we do to show resolve. to defend ourselves. to declare victory. so cvs health provides expert support and vital medicines. at our

you know what's being going on in washington battle between the house and smet senate relative to meta data. have any attacks been prevented because of that information? >> no. i looked at each one of them. in no case would the result have been different if the program didn't exist. no the program is not useful. >> does that mean we should get rid of it? >> yeah in the form it's constructed with the government holding records about every time you make a phone call and the government looking at it without a search warrant. all that has to go away. the law they're operating under doesn't say anything. >> are civil liberties in jeopardy where the content is not known to he or she looking at the matrix? >> not yet and not at this time. we know in the past that fbi and other organizations and the united states government abused civil liberties and went after people unjustify bli. it could happen again. it could happen in your lifetime. who's to say it won't happen again. we don't want government agencies overreaching like that. >> why do we write novels? entertaining book. it's why you are fourt

>> well the next time you see the judge, ask him where the meta data is.he does he hold it in the wallet a file at home. the fact is he doesn't have it because it doesn't belong to him. it is just phone records and phone numbers that have been called and length of call that is are controlled by the phone companies. so to have a violation of the first amendment there actually has to be some expectation of privacy. the supreme court is very clear about this. you don't have wit the records because they don't belong to you. if the nsa invading the home and actually taking away your filing cabinets and the rest of it of course it's unconstitutional. that's not what we're talking about and people like the judge and rand paul unfortunately misreport this program. >> what should republicans be proposing if you don't agree with the solution of rand paul putting out there which is they have to go to the phone companies instead? >> reauthorize the program. it is not a threat to liberties. google knows more about you than the nsa. the phone company knows more about yo

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- the usa freedom act which is a different version of patriot act but permits bulk collection of meta data telephone r0rdecords say they're playing russian roulette. the house isn't coming back to do a fix sunday as i understand it. >> first of all, i would have extended the patriot act as it is. i didn't believe changes were necessary. the reality is it had to be authorized and couldn't have passed the house with the without the changes. the senate has to vote not because it's perfect but it's better than nothing at all. that's going to happen. there's too much russian roulette here. i understand what mcconnel is looking for. i feel it's too risky now. i know the house chairman is working with the senate. if they can find the compromise fine. one way or the other -- >> i think we've lost congressman king. we'll try to get him back momentarily. i wanted to ask him also. we've got a new entry into the race. the former three term governor of new york state is now declaring that he is also running and that meanings you've got even more crowded republican field. we'll talk to him about that if

cannot bear the weight the government asks us to assign to it, it does not authorize the telephone meta data program." section 215 is set to expired next month unless a bill is passed to reauthorize it. patrick leahy of vermont and mike lee of utah released a bipartisan statement that reads in part, "congress should not reauthorize bulk collection program that the court has found to violate the law. we will not consent to any extension of this program." this, of course, is the program that raised red flags for senator ron wyden who back in march of 2013 asked director of national intelligence james clapper this very, very pointed question. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly. >> joining me now, deputy legal director for the aclu. it was the aclu who argued the case before the u.s. court of appeals. congratulations on your victory. >> thank you. >> all right. how big a deal is this ruling? >> it's a big deal. it's a great ruling. we've been waiting for it for a long time now. it's a case

. >> the federal appeals court ruled the bulk collection of phone meta data is illegal and you have a debate and vote coming up on the renewal of the patriot act, and you have this problem, less ability to track with all the nas's afpltnsa's capability and how does it affect the debate on capitol hill? is it more likely the patriot act will be as it is as it stands be renewed, or do you see more restrictions being placed on the ability to track these kinds of communications? >> i hope the reality of the situation, the reality of the threats we face will actually play a big part in terms of how congress responds. it's important to note that the second circuit court of appeals did not rule it unconstitutional they just said it was not being applied properly based on how the law was written so we have to take a look at how we write these, quite unhonestly complex laws and our best line of defense is an effective intelligence capability. protecting civil hreuber tease is not a partisan issue, from the extreme right to the extreme left and everywhere in between, we wand to guard and protec

today's ruling which was unanimous, comes as congress debates to end, replace, or perhaps extend the meta data program. the program is set to expire on june 1st. following ruling senator majority leader mitch mcconnell defended the program and pushed for its reauthorization. >> according to the cia had these been in place, they would have likely likely have prevented 9/11. >> why in the world would we think about rolling back the tools that are the only tools that put us post- 9/11 versus pre- 9/11? >> one day, i hope i'm wrong but one day there will be an attack that's successful and the first question out of everyone's mouth is why didn't we know about it? and the answer better not be because this congress failed to authorize a program that might have helped us know about it. >> joining me now, oregon senator and member of the senate intelligence committee. senator ron wieden. thank you so much for joining us on a very big day. i know you've been involved in this issue for a long time and you've called on the end of blanket surveillancing either up to the president or congress. who's it goin