michael says he may have dozed off.hen he went back inside the house sometime after 2:00 a.m., there was kathleen at the bottom of the stairs. a ghastly sight. >> and i saw her lying in the back staircase her feet out and there was blood. there was just blood everywhere. >> my wife's had an accident she's still breathing. >> what kind of accident >> she fell down the stairs. >> reporter: was she breathing >> she was at the time >> reporter: she was >> yeah. >> is she conscious? >> what? >> is she conscious? >> no, she's not conscious >> i knew she was dying. i mean, i'd seen enough of that in vietnam i mean, i knew she was dying >> please, get somebody here right away please >> okay, somebody's dispatching the ambulance. >> send the ems right away, right away, right away called them again. how -- but apparently it's only, like, two minutes later. but it seemed like forever >> reporter: a long few minutes, but nothing compared to the many, many years of questions that would follow. what had happened on that back staircas

again, that tweet from the president related to michael cohen now just a few moments ago michael coheneen subpoenaed to testify before the senate intel community. this changes things in a few major ways. michael cohen is set to report to prison in march. we don't know when he's set to appear before the senate intel committee. i want to bring in michael steele now, former senior advisor to jeb bush. jason johnson is also with me, politics editor at the root.com. i'll start with you, michael steele. how big of a deal? >> it's a huge deal. i mean, i think it was inevitable that at some point cohen would appear before congress. i think it's important that senate intelligence is going first. i think it's a good reminder, too, there are concerns in both parties. senate intelligence is a bipartisan investigation. they are continuing to look at the question about the president and his campaign, what ties they may have had to russia. other activities that may have been nefarious. this is not a straight party lean issue so i'm glad this bipartisan panel is going to be getting first crack at goin

he can't fire michael cohen. so now he's just going to have to respond and how does the president respond to whatever michael cohen says or does he? >> shimon, there are some things, right, that michael cohen may not be able to reveal? >> yeah, when it comes to the russia investigation and we'll see where we are in a few weeks certainly, he will be limited because i do think that he does know information that mueller's still working through and it may not even be mueller in the end. we could have a prolonged department fbi investigation into russians even once mueller is done. so that could still go on. i also think that right now, think of it this way, where the president really has the most problems is the hush payments. we've said this, michael cohen is coming to court, has implicated the president in that, the department of justice in their court filings has implicated the president and that's where i think the members of congress here are going to be focused on. it's how did all of this play out, when did th

whether it's michael cohen.have them plead to a set of operative facts describing what they did because some day down the road you're going to use them to help you get others who did the same thing. that's what i think happened here. but i don't want to sort of lay all of your cards on the table as a prosecutor. because you're still investigating that thing, that conduct, the others who were involved in it. so what the mueller team did makes sense to me, and the way they described it really in some ways buttresses the core of the "buzzfeed" story. now, obviously the mueller team is pushing back on aspects of the "buzzfeed" story. but i think in the main what you can glean from their december 7th sentencing memorandum is that the core of the "buzzfeed" story is accurate. >> in terms of that -- the way they are pushing back, i mean, we heard from ben smith, who is the editor at "buzzfeed," very early on in the show tonight plainly frustrated with trying to parse the special counsel's statement. >> mmm-hmm. >> tryi

to michael about it? >> no, i don't. >> have a seat right here. >> reporter: still, edmunds decided it was time to bring in michael for a second round of questioning. and this time, the investigator turned up the heat. >> michael, it's over, okay? i'm not playing games anymore. >> reporter: at first, michael said he didn't even know that becky and david were having an affair. >> i know about the affair with your mom and david. >> my mom and david? >> don't play stupid with me. don't play stupid with me. i'm telling you right now. it'll get ugly real quick, okay? this is your one and only chance to get yourself out of a whole load of trouble. >> it gets pretty hot and heavy in that interview room. >> listen to me. listen to me. i know what's going on, okay. i know your mom wanted kay dead, okay? do you want to go to prison for the rest of your life? >> no, sir. >> you need to start talking here and now. okay? >> i didn't know it was david. >> bull ---. >> i swear to you. >> bull [ bleep ]. >> reporter: the

michael, great to have you here.g time tonight. >> great to be with you, rachel. >> so you are as deep in this story as anyone. >> yes. >> you are better with sources than anybody that i know. and you are an the encyclopedia who never let's go of any word or fact you have ever learned. given that, given what i think of as your sort of encyclopedic knowledge, what do you think is important about the buzzfeed reporting and about the special counsel responding to it? >> there were red flags about the buzzfeed story from the get-go. i mean, you know, you have this really bold lead that the president directed michael cohen to lie. but no detail on where, when, how, how was it communicated, what exactly is the president supposed to have said? and, you know, those details are the ball game. and it's also, you know -- and then the documents that are referred to. what are the documents? where did they come from? we know that the president doesn't use e-mails or texts. so, you know, whose e-mails and texts would corroborate a

does congress achieve something by hearing it directly from michael cohen, and does michael cohen achieve something by talking to congress about this? >> yes, congress has a big goal here and that is to get the information. one of the things we're all worried about is the white house will make an effort to suppress the mueller report by using executive privilege. if the information is all out, there's no point in the privilege. so it would help knnegate the executive plincrivilege, number. for michael cohen, who are we kidding, this guy wants revenge. trump, and you have to factor that in, trump has treated him like dirt and he's mad. and that's part of evaluating his credibility. >> that's the equivalent of throwing somebody under the bus. >> yeah, this whole business i'm doing it for my country and making him out to be an angel, i've got no energy for that. i don't believe that. i don't believe he's that type of person. if you value his credibility, you must recognize this is revenge. >> cynthia, thank you, jill wine-banks, thank you. i want to go back to capitol hill. garrett haake is

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michael, you first. what do you make of rudy giuliani's argument and admission that the president may have spoken with michael cohen about his testimony and that would be normal? >> well, first, rudy giuliani should not be on television. this story would not be something we'd be talking about today had he not showed up with jake tapper this morning. so what he's doing strategically is a mystery to me. secondly, with respect to the substance of it is he is saying that the conversations between the president and cohen extended beyond january possibly. the president doesn't remember it, he says, but possibly it did. if it did, it doesn't make a difference. and he also says that the president may have talked to him about the testimony that he gave, which also he says it no big deal. so if it's completely benign, it's no big deal. if you believe that there was some influence that was brought to bear on michael cohen's testimony or there was a wink and a nod agreement between the president and michael cohen ab

>> first of all, michael's family is in severe distress as is michael because he's going to be goingison in about six or seven weeks. and secondly, he wanted an opportunity after his life has been so virtually destroyed, he wants an opportunity to at least tell the truth as he said to mr. stephanopoulos on july 2nd wlat was like working for a man in the private sector who lies, acts immorally or abusively and has no barriers on ethics. what is it like when you actually realize that this very same man who michael admitted to shamefully helping in his private sector job as an attorney when he recognized the same man was now president of the united states, he wants to tell a story about what caused him to change and to now want to tell the truth, how dangerous it is to have this very same man that acted this way in the private sector to have the powers of the presidency and how dangerous that is for his family and for his country. >> mr. cohen's testimony reflect a very busy executive and candidate in donald trump who is out of the loop or a detail oriented one who knew what was going o

that's a tweet from michael cohen. and we also understand that based on previous reporting from our colleagues in other media that there is quite a bit of recordings that michael cohen has. i understand that the attempts by the administration, the president himself to sort of shift the public's attention onto other areas michael cohen's father-in-law, to be honest, i don't really understand what that means, but it's also understood that in the raid of michael cohen's offices that the fbi and now the special counsel had obtained quite a bit of evidence. e-mails, text messages. i mean, just in the reporting we did earlier or last year in the spring about trump tower moscow, i mean, we obtained the -- every text message that michael cohen exchanged with felix about this project, and in those text messages he is discussing briefing trump about this. so i think that the -- the denials by the president himself are leave more sto be desired b simply a tweet. >> jason leopold, i appreciate you coming onto talk about the major

when michael cohen was sentenced mueller said michael cohen provided information regarding the preparing and circulating of cohen's response to the congressional inquirienquiries. the fact that mueller was willing to put it in print is a hint to me, an indicator that he has something more than michael cohen's information, he has something to back it up. i don't believe robert mueller or my colleagues would put it in writing unless they had more than michael cohen's say-so to back it up. >> that's a great catch there from mueller's previous releases here. josh campbell, if this is substantiated let's go back to the william barr hearings a few days ago. republicans and democrats, but republicans as well set it up with the ag nominee as an impeachable offense. have a listen. >> so if there was some reason to believe the president tried to coach somebody not to testify or to testify falsely, that could be obstruction of justice? >> yes, under an obstruction statute, yes. >> so if there is evidence that the president tried to conceal evidence, that would be obstruction of justice potentially,

this isn't just michael cohen's word. we are learning from this buzzfeed article that robert mueller has other witnesses and documents and texts and emails to reportedly back this up that the president directed cohen to lie. brooke? >> he has the receipts as folks have been saying. thank you so much. let's analyze all of it. paul callahan is with us, mj lee is here. david gergen, former presidential adviser to fnixon, ford. if true how damning is this? >> if true and that's still a big if, no other news organization other than buzzfeed has this story at this point, but if it is true, it is a game changer. it would be the first time we have a serious allegation the president of the united states did try to suborn perjury, did ask someone else to lie. that is a felony and no president is spared from that. bob barr who is just becoming the attorney general has said in his testimony, if a person including the president asks someone to lie or direct someone to lie before congress or law enforcement agency, that is a felony and

michael cohen is not the perfect witness. i think we've gotten a preview of the attack line we're going to see. this morning, this is the president's daughter-in-law, laura trump, who was the advisor to the 2020 campaign as well. take a listen. >> i think michael cohen is a very desperate man. he holds no water whatsoever. he perjured himself in the past. it's ridiculous. it's all made up. i always say the truth will come out with these things. i think you will see the truth come out and i think sadly, michael cohen is a fraud. he's trying to get his last couple minutes of fame. >> michael cohen, undoubtedly has a credibility problem. >> as do all cooperating witnesses. they're not testifying against the other bad guys out of the goodness of their heart. they're testifying because they got caught. they're testifying for a deal. this is something all u.s. attorneys have to consider when cooperating a witness. does his lack of credibility, is it outweighed by the value of information he's giving? oftentimes jury can be convince

these allegations that michael cohen hired an i.t. firm to rig some online polls and he paid the guy with two walmart bags full of $12,000 or $13,000 and a boxing glove. one of the weirder stories you and i have ever covered. it speaks to the steaminess, seediness, and the ugliness and the dirtiness of what was going on leading up to this election. >> it's an incredible piece of reporting by "the wall street journal" and it's sort of comical that it happened in the office of the man that would come president of the united states at $12,000, $13,000 cash payment in a blue plastic walmart bag. you don't hear about that every day. i talked to rudy giuliani about it earlier today, he said, look, the president had nothing to do with that payment, did not direct that payment and if has authorized that payment, he would have wanted it to be made by check, not by cash. that's the word from the president's legal team. who knows who's telling the truth here. there is one interesting detail which is that cohen only paid that digital consultant,

but again, this is the michael cohen -- you i suspect were not surprised when the michael cohen definition50,000 turns out to be a bag with about $13,000 in it and a boxing glove. >> jill owed me at some point 50 bucks recently and she gave me a bag. it was actually more of a sock. it had $11 and a boxing glove in it also. >> and a wu-tang clan pin. >> so i consider that recompense. i was not surprised at all. i harken back to jill's watergate days. a name familiar to anyone who's seen all the president's men or is familiar with history is a man named don singreti. and he was the classic dirty trickster who was engaged in the 1972 campaign in all kinds of small, petty, sometimes mildly impactful, sometimes a little more impactful but he was not john ehrlichman, he was not h.r. haldeman, but he was one of the many people who was caught in the web of the giant conspiracy. and when you are a dirty politician, when you're someone who's corrupt and campaigns in a corrupt way your corruption can be vast and consequential as it is when you're cooperating with a foreign adversary and it inevitably

this is intended to make an example out of michael cohen.o punish him for having testified in the past. >> it's not the first time he brought up the issue of michael cohen's father-in-law. >> it isn't. on the flip side, when somebody did not work -- cooperate with prosecutors, he sent out very kind words. that was to mr. manafort. the president is playing on both sides. he is clearly directing threats at those he doesn't want cooperating. he is praising those who are not. >> listen to the exchange that william barr had during the cop f copconfirmation hearing. >> you talked about the comey decision. you talked about obstruction of z justice. you wrote on page one that a president presueersuading a pero commit perjury would be -- >> any person. >> you said a president or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction. is that right? >> yes. >> she issued a statement saying her questioning of barr -- she had no idea what buzzfeed was about to report. >> sometimes you are lucky. she was lucky in that questions. the one

michael cohen is going to say. it's not going to be limited, as we know, by just what his involvement in the hush payment, michael cohen's involvement. we just learned that robert mueller, the special counsel, has cleared him to testify. that means, that opens the door to all sorts of questions about russia, the moscow project, whether or not anyone in the white house directed michael cohen to lie to members of congress. there's been some indication that people at the white house knew what michael cohen was going to tell members of congress. did anyone at the white house approve of this? did they say, go ahead, it's okay. that's going to be a big part of this hearing now as well. it seems like nothing is off the table and that the department of justice and robert mueller have cleared michael cohen to go ahead and say whatever it is that he is going to say. the other thing to keep in mind is that michael cohen can use this testimony to try and get more leniency for his jail sentence. he could go to a j

but he's not entirely wrong with saying michael michael cohen was not truthful. he was willinot willing to shar every deed that went against the law because he was afraid it might implicate family members. president trump has a point saying he has a problem telling the whole truth, but michael cohen doesn't seem to have any problem telling the truth when it comes to donald trump. >> the legal adviser to michael cohen we just talked about, lanny davis, was on cnn moments ago and was asked will michael cohen testify? >> first of all, will he appear before the senate? he's been subpoenaed, we were told. >> mr. cummings greatly respects his invitation for mr. cohen to appear voluntarily. >> it sounds like if he has a subpoena, he will testify. that's the senate committee and then he went on to talk about mr. comey. the lawyers have to have conversations, but it appears that michael cohen will come once. >> since he was there, it wouldn't be too far a bridge to cross. it's a serious committee and i would be willing to guess and bet that they would do a lot to try and

he's been tweeting at michael cohen over the past year anytime he's been worried michael cohen might off out the investigators information that creates problems for the president. so the idea he's calm and collected is absurd. and in fact i think as cohen's testimony starts to role near i imagine you're going to see the president on twitter. >> one of the things we know is that michael cohen has evidence. he's already supplied the infamous tape of them discussing it. we know he's wrapped up in a lot of different things. what is house oversight, what is elijah cummings interested in as far as we know? >> the ground rules are he cannot reveal anything related to mueller's investigation. of course the investigation may be at different stage. but for right now that still leave as lot of other areas they're going to probe. just that issue alone of the payments to stormy daniels and karen mcdougal is going to be revealing because it will be on the record in front of the american people. many law maker are going to have a piece of that issue. and it's possible he could also be cleared, this

michael cohen is going to jail. there's about a month left to play with to convince for democrats to convince cohen that his family is okay and will be a target whether it's what kind of target, we don't know. whether it's a target with regard to prosecution, a target otherwise. and so if they can't convince him before he goes to jail, giuliani and donald trump can say, mission accomplished because there's no question that's what they were it doing here. they were trying to intimidate him and it worked. >> here's what i want to know. does this constitute witness m tampering? >> it could be, but there's a separate crime of threats. and you can create threats. rudy giuliani said when i was a prosecutor, what you said to people was i'm going to break your bones or whatever. that's actually not true. you can say things like i hope you will see it my way or you should be concerned about the well being of your family. you should take account of these things. all these things can be evaluated by prosecutors as threats and

." >> your husband, michael, i'm sorry to tell you, ma'am, he's been killed. >> no. no >> she's like poison candy. >> he fell in love with her. he thought she was the end all, be all. >> she had everything she wanted but she longed for one thing mo more. >> i'm positive, 5,000% sure. >> this guy was going to get killed. >> then it hatchshetched happend >> something happened to her house and she needs to get to the house. >> please. no no >> was this crime all that it seemed >> she played such a good game that people didn't know. >> a surprise was coming. >> you don't know what to think. >> and it would arrive from beyond the grave >> oh, my god. >> there has not been a story like this ever in history. is she the villain is she the victim? who knows? that is what makes her riveting. she is infamous and probably will be forever. >>> hello and welcome to "dateline. when they first met it was instant fireworks, an immediate attraction that turned into af fatal attraction they needed to know was she diabolical or an unwhiting pawn in a hoax gone wrong it would take eight

the man was involved in criminal activity with michael cohen, and michael cohen is withholding it. >> this is bigger than how rudy giuliani interprets the witnesses statements. the new chairs in congress have power. >> the congressman steven limpk joins me with democratic strategies and daily mail francesca chambers at the white house. congressman, what is the significance of this news and can you confirm whether or not a subpoena is on the way? >> well, as chairman schiff and chairman cummings indicated not testifying is not an option. i think the general consensus of members of the committee right now is that if mr. cohen is not willing to come and testify voluntarily, then a subpoena should issue. i think i feel that way personally. however, i would wish his testimony be public. there were some suggesting that because of the security concerns that have been raised, it might be possible to interview him privately, in confidence. >> congressman, do you have reason to believe one way or another that congress is going to make him give some testimony before the date in march when he's s

let's turn to michael cohen.ichael cohen was the top attorney at the trump organization. he was involved in trump's personal dealings. we talked before about how loyal he was to this president. and loyalty is a one-way street. now the president is going after michael cohen's family. what do you make of this? >> it is straight out of the donald trump playbook, but one of the richest ironies here is that back in the day michael cohen was the guy who threatened everybody else on behalf of donald trump. so we now have the guy who used to be the enforcer, the fixer, the person who threatened everyone complaining about how he's being threatened. and it is a travesty. this is the president of the united states threatening and using his lawyer to threaten private citizen, but this is what we're reduced to in this country. people acting like thugs. it's very hard to consider which guy is the real bad guy here. and with rudy giuliani, what he says, there's a thing called organized crime that cohen's family was somehow impl

michael wolfe is where he should be in prison.be and you would join him one day because that is where you should be. in hell. >> david's brother mark was not at all sure that justice was served. >> if you lose in trial, that's god's will. you can't control that. but i think it should have gone to trial. i think society in two years when she comes off of house arrest needs to worry. >> we have a picture of david. >> but his mother -- >> there is justice. yes. and she's a felon now for life. she's got to live with all that. i don't. every time i get out of bed in the morning, one leg says guilty and the other one says felon. >> and as for the detective who so doggedly pursued the case who now thinks a murderer got away -- >> at first i was disappointed so i had to make peace with it and when i put my head down at the pillow at the end of the night, she's a felon. mentally when you're in prison here, do you ever escape that? >> as for barbara, barbara is spending her house arrest in her father's home, that old vw, the one that they a

michael was used to confirm it. >> do your sources have a sense of why president trump would want michael cohen to lie about this? >> that's a really good question. we have been trying to get michael cohen or his spokesperson on the phone for 72 hours. they have declined to talk to us, saying they are not answering questions because they don't want to interfere with the special counsel's inquiry. i don't want to speculate on any reasons why the president would tell him to sort of move that day or come up with a different date than was true. >> has the white house or the president's private lawyers responded directly to the facts put out in the story? >> not on the record, no, sir. we gave them every opportunity last night. shortly before i published i was telling individuals, if you would like to deny it, we'll give you ample space to do so. they would not do that on the record. >> this is extremely serious. this is an impeachable offense, it is a federal crime. if what you say in your report really happened and robert mueller can prove it, we have heard from people on both sides of the a

michael cohen said yes. before leaving for federal prison, on the 7th of february, michael cohen will be sworn in on live television at a public hearing where he will be asked about what he knows, what he saw from his decade long service il inside the insular business world of donald trump. in describing michael cohen and his former role as trump's lawyer, journalists have often reached into the vocabulary of organized crime for comparisons. he's been called a fixer, a tom hagen-like lawyer for a single client. michael cohen, who once dreamed of becoming donald trump's white house counsel, can say a lot. to borrow a phrase, he knows a thing or two because he's seen a thing or two. perhaps including but not limited to potential trump moscow construction schemes, payoffs to women, the planning and killing of news stories and the like. remember that on the day the fbi raided cohen's hotel room and offices, the president of the united states called it an attack on our country. in a true sense, it is an attack on

michael cohen who was being a good boy for donald trump. >> and michael cohen -- it does seem that the mueller investigation, which seems to have proved to him more favorable when we saw him in court in the southern district. they obviously wanted to throw the book at him and didn't feel like he was cooperating. but do you think that even though there is this questionable, obviously, about michael cohen, it's questionable because we've seen him lie. but this is the story and we're seeing the mueller investigation where they're not relying on michael cohen's word. it appears they're relying on that he may say something but it's corroborated by evidence. if that is the case, what does this mean? >> if they can show that, in fact, the president had knowledge and put perjury on a member of congress, that is an obstruction of justice charge. there is no way around it. i believe that would be grounds for impeachment. if, in fact, that happened. but that's a big leap. rememb remember, from this report to proving the president had knowledge and asked for perjury, that is a big leap. that's why

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michael cohen is a witness with a lot of problems. he pled guilty to lie before continue and this case he could be making things up to protect himself if it traces back to him. we don't have the documents that corroborate these conversations at this point. we have a comment from rudy giuliani and other outlets, if you believe cohen, i can get you a good deal on the branch. this is what we'll see from the president's legal team saying cohen is a liar and you can't believe anything. >> what has his position been? >> he was the person who was out there throughout the entire campaign saying i have no relationship with russia and business deals with russia and no potential business deals with russia and when it came out that they were talking about a trump tower moscow project much longer than president trump and candidate trump originally forthcoming about. essentially it is no big deal and everyone knew about it at the time and it did not go anywhere and tried to down play it although the fact that the special counsel is looking into it.

the state's interest michael cohen? reporting today, i found out that he has been continuing to meet with all of these investigating bodies, as he is preparing to report to congresss asome point if he does testify. he also got shoulder surgery on friday. so there is just a lot that's been going on in cohen's orbit. and on top of it the president has been continuing to attack him publicly and his family members. >> we're going to know eventually everything michael cohen knows with all of these investigators. we don't just yet know when or even at this point what year that will be when we discover all that. emily jane fox, barbara mcquade, thank you for joining us tonight on this important story. >>> and when we come back, how will house democrats deal with president trump attempting to interfere in their investigations? we've just heard emily jane fox tell us that michael cohen needs to see some action taken to protect him. i will ask congressman eric swalwell what congress can do now. [cell phone rings] where are you? w

because it's not based on michael cohen. he's not one of the sources. >> and white house officials slammed cohen, but interestingly enough, they didn't quite deny the story. >> you're saying the president did not tell michael cohen to do that? >> i'm telling you right now this is exactly why the president refuses to give any credence or credibility to news outlets. >> that was not a denial of my question. >> no, the -- but the premise is ridiculous. >> and crucially in all of this, buzzfeed saying that mueller isn't just relying on cohen's word but on interviews with multiple witnesses, internal trump organization e-mails, text messages, and other documents. but moments ago, cohen's legal adviser, lanny davis, wouldn't confirm or deny the story. watch. >> mr. cohen, under guidelines that he has respected, won't comment on anything to do with subjects that he discussed with the special counsel. >> in fairness, you have corrected stories that were false before that were involving michael cohen. but you're choosing not to -- is

they're saying michael cohen is a liar. that's true, michael cohen is not the best witness. bob mueller would never bring a case with michael cohen as his only witness. he would have to have backup documents and witnesses from separa separate issues and the like. but there is no legal reason the president that michael cohen is a liar. >> at this point i think what you've got is everybody in d.c. leaping on this story to try to corroborate it, try to see if it's true. whether you're talking about everyone in news outlets or on capitol hill that is expecting michael cohen to testify behind open doors, because it seems like there is a lot of substance behind michael cohen if the story is true. >> it's very important to say if true, because if this is true the president is going to lose his job. if this is true, that is the thing. >> historically it's a beeline to impeachment, right? nixon and clinton, people have made that comparison between, we don't have clear obstruction in asking witnesses to lie. if we've crossed that line, people on both sides of the political spectrum fr

you go to michael cohen, michael, what happened? michael is going to remember a lot better what happened than donald trump where this was like this big in his recollection and it's this big in michael's. >> right. so -- but let me ask you a question -- this part you were the lawyer for, in his written -- lawyer for trump for. in his written answers, president trump's written answers to special counsel robert mueller's questions, what did president trump have to say about the trump moscow project? >> he acknowledged they had conversations about it throughout 2015, 2016. >> through november 2016. through november 2016, right? >> he answered those questions fully, and i think to the satisfaction of the special counsel. so i'm not at all concerned about that. he gave a full and complete answer. i can't share the whole thing, but i can share the conclusion which is he had conversations with michael cohen but it was michael cohen driving the project. as, of course, anybody who is being fair minded would understand. he was running for the

that's what should happen with michael cohen, in public. the american public deserves to hear michael cohen's testimony. >> you heard the president say that cohen, in the president's words, doesn't want to tell the truth. do you believe this was a way -- what unfolded for cohen -- to get out of testifying in open session? >> i think michael cohen has a very understandable and legitimate fear for his family. if the president of the united states threatens in the way that he has, anybody would have that kind of fear. michael cohen has nothing left to lose by telling the truth. in fact, he has everything to lose if he fails to tell the truth. i think he legitimately fears for the safety of his family. >> two top republicans on the oversight committee said they were told that cohen would not answer questions on any current investigations, investigations still underway. they say this is all a democratic effort to showboat. how significant would his testimony at this point really be if there are restrictions as to what he can say and what he can'

novelty and importance of the michael jackson phenomena. and particularly the way jackson challenge the racist divisions in the u.s. music industry and he did recognize that. the exhibition also addresses michael jackson search for his own identity and his own different relationship with his african-american roots. and then there's the pop star's humanitarian even activist roam the exhibition features the dramatic video to earth song everything turns out all right thanks to st michael but only because it's running backwards. but the show like the compilation mainly focuses on michael jackson in contemporary art a case in point jeff koons michael jackson and bubbles porcelain sculpture here only on display as a photograph. however the curators did not have an easy time learning the art works. like. this before there was some disagreement with the owners of the pieces but ultimately we were able to convince most of them of the artistic merit of our selection. is about you if it's on when it wasn't always easy. because we were dealing with peo

the legacy of paris exhibition expose michael jackson's influence on the art. history of the finnish brownback probably likes to hang. out and shoot them all day long is the highest peak in the hour. we start off by missing a young lady with big plans to conquer the modeling world nicole i know is twenty one years old and has been dubbed germany's oncet to naomi campbell she's been on our radar since twenty sixteen when she had already been working for two years so despite her young age she's already got plenty experience born in kenya in the cold that she and her grew up in the eastern german city of dresden and has modeled all over the world so let's catch up with her career. nicole r.t.l. is conquering catwalks in paris london new york and milan whether gucci valentino or here christopher kane all the big designers are courting her fashions glamour and glitter is a world away from the place where she was born. my first home was kenya and cusumano i lived with my grandparents on lake victoria we were a big family with my uncles aunts and cousins we also had c

michael cohen's attorney clearly believes donald trump is trying to intimidate michael cohen and justecause the president does it so brazenly doesn't mean it also is not a crime. >> thank you, congressman of california. we're going to talk about the very question coming up right now. does the "buzz feed" report, if true, one of the implications of the pds and his family. covering it up with the business dealing in moscow o. she's watching too, [indistinct conversation] ♪ [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪ ♪ i have... ♪ ensure max protein... to give you the protein you need with less of the sugar you don't. (straining) i'll take that. (cheers) 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. ensure max protein. in two great flavors. yeah, i've had some prettyeer. prestigious jobs over the years. news producer, executive transport manager, and a beverage distribution supervisor. now i'm a director at a security software firm. wow, you've been at it a long time. thing is, i like working. what if my retirement plan is i don't want to retire? then let's not create a retirement plan. let's cre

michael, we are so glad you're with us.ecause you're an attorney and secondbecause you are often a voice of reason here. you take a look from 30,000 feet, you slow things down when we're going so fast down here. this story seems like an awfully big one. if the president told michael cohen to lie to congress, there's not a lot of wiggle room here. >> true. if that can be corroborated. i think corroboration sts word of the day and the paragraph that i circled, we've all circled, i've heard you discuss it in the buzzfeed piece is that which speaks of e-mails, text messages and a cache of other documents. what exactly do those documents reflect? because michael cohen alone is not going to move the needle. i just interviewed senator rand paul for my own program tomorrow and in bringing this up to him, you know, the first thing he wanted to know is, is it a he said he said where one is now a convicted felon? and of course the buzzfeed story suggests that there is corroboration. i'm so excited to watch your upcoming interview with

himself, michael cohen was his point guy. >> and there's so much we don't know and michael cohen will be testifying publicly before a democratic-controlled oversight committee in just a short amount of time. everybody thinks every single day there is a new revelation every other week. it just underscores that a lot more could come out and the white house is not thrilled. i can't believe mj left out the idea that there is apparently a unc boxing glove that was given as payment as well? i would say, one, it's the testimony i'm struck by, and two, anyone who covers the campaign for any piece of time, it just underscores how off the cuff jerryrigged, not put together, kind of random group of people. >> all 40 democrats running for nomination. >> the very things the president has made his mission in life to attack, right, the idea of fake news, is the sort of -- i mean, it's not like this should be a huge surprise, right, but the thing his own campaign tracked in and the thing he denies on behalf of his campaign is again the thing his campaign was engaged in. and so the -- you know, it's k

did he it with michael flynn jr. to get michael flynn to cooperate. and with jerome corsi, his stepson, being summoned to the grand jury, threatened, so mueller can get corsi's cooperation. >> joy, i want to play you all the time that donald trump said he didn't have any business dealings in russia and ask you what it looks like with the picture becoming clearer. >> i have nothing to do with russia. i mean, i have nothing to do with russia. i don't have any jobs in russia. i'm all over the world but we're not involved in russia. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we've stayed away. we could make deals in russia very easily if we wanted to. ' just don i just don't want to because i think that would be a conflict. john, how times do i have to say it? are you a smart man? i have nothing to do with russia. i have nothing to do with russia. how many times do i have to answer this question. russia is a ruse. >> joyce, buzzfeed reporting last night, two law enforcement sources said he had, donald trump, at least te

michael cohen didn't talk to buzz feed for this. it says the special counsel is not taking cohen's words for anything. reportedly cohen only confirmed what the mueller team already knew from other witnesses and documents. that's key. >> tell us what you have learned as you look at this. >> i think the point that poppy makes is an important one. the fact that sthis is based not only on what could conceively blee michael cohen's words that the special counsel has gathered other information, text messages, documents, other information. they say other witnesses have come in from the trump organization and backed up these claims. that is stunning. it is for the first time. if this is all true that we are hearing that there is other information, here is how buzz feed described the information in their story. they said that the special counsel's office learned about trump's directive for cohen to lie to congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the trump organization and internal company e-mails, text messages and a cache of