if michael brown didn't rob the store, if michael brown didn't intimidate the clerk, if michael brownn't shut the door on the officer and struggle for his gun, which put the officer's life in jeopardy, if he didn't as one eyewitness said charge darren wilson like a football player with his head down, none of this would have happened. isn't that the lesson here? isn't that the bigger lesson? there's no evidence of anything racial in the case. >> that's part of the story. when you look at the procedure that happened in this grand jury, right, that led to this gentleman not being indicted, how the evidence was produced. >> the eyewitnesses, they all corroborated the officer's story. >> that is incorrect. >> all right. you have three that did completely and -- it all added up between that, the forensics and the autopsy. it all added up. >> you just said the fact that some of them supported, some didn't is grounds of probable cause. >> no, it's not. >> a public trial -- all we want is a public trial. >> the testimony was overwhelmingly ii incontroverti. the grand jury knew that. >> let a j

last week, the nation waited and hoped that justice would finally be served in the case of michael brown. we waited to hear our country say loud and clear, there are cons agains for taking the lives of others. we waited to hear some reassurance that black and brown boys' lives do matter. but again, we are terribly disappointed and discouraged. the ferguson grand jury's decision not to indict officer wilson was another slap in our face. it was a painful reminder that just like with trayvon martin and so many others that law enforcement officers feel that our -- kill black and brown boys without repercussions. while some see it as the system working as it should, others see it as a blatant miscarriage of justice. where is the closure for michael brown's parents? for the he closure outrage of the black community? that we remain mired in racial issues in 2014 is an embarrassment. we should consider taking a long look in the mirror before we go to other countries lecturing them about the need for democracy in politics, when here at home we are unable to fully address our own issues. mr. speak

michael brown senior is the father of the michael brown junior. the man was unarmed when he was shot and killed by darren wilson, a police officer. the grand jury decision not to indict wilson for his death sparked protests and demonstrations across the country. at the rally, michael brown senior thanked the crowd. >> we love you all. we really do. we love you all so much. >>> back out here live is the third baptist church. this is michael brown senior is going to be speaking to congregants. and people coming to the service at 4:00 today. they just turned the light on. and we will go inside. and they turned the lights on in awhile. they will talk to us more about the event and ask them why michael brown decided to come to san francisco and speak to the crowd here. we will have more later on in the show: there will be quite a few people there in the afternoon. thanks for the report. >> about 70 people gathered for the demonstration. and staged die-ins at the shopping center. . >> you are looking at video that sparked protests with the this. this in

keep in mind this is the man who stoked the racial tension ahead of grand jury decision about the michael brownhooting. you may remember this. >> if you're angry, throw your arms up. if you want justice, throw your arms up. if you want answers, throw your arms up. because that's the sign michael was using. in order to establish peace, you must have fair justice for everyone. we want real peace. we don't want to just be told to shut up and suffer in silence. we don't fight until we get tired. we fight till we win. the federal government must step in. >> now, those are just recent examples related just to the michael brown case. this rhetoric is nothing new for the msnbc host al sharpton. why is president obama hanging out with and taking advice from him? don't forget rev rend al has been caught on tape saying far worse. you may remember these instances. >> you ain't nothing. you're a punk -- now come on, do something. we are the black chicken fryers of the universe and we're gonna go buy some colonel sanders chicken. white folks was in the cave when we had built empires. we learned to admire the

the thing that led to michael brown's death are michael brown's actions and all of the reactions thatme since then, you can try to separate good from bad. do it all you want. the fact is it's the bad that's being highlighted. it's the bad because as a town that's 70% black that is an amazing little town is being depicted as the south side of chicago and it's very much not like that. the idea that it's the cops' fault that somehow he did something wrong when a man only did his job and his job was to stop a thug and everybody wants to make it something different, that's when you get into it. it is simple. you can talk about the constitution and all these other things that the other gentleman is talking about ybut it's simple. there are many black folks all over america and a lot of americans who are embarrassed that a town would be depicted like this over an issue like this and we want to complicate it by bringing in cop elements and race elements that don't need to be brought in. >> okay. i want you all to respond to that. i also want to hear more of what charles said. stay with me. i

this morning, multiple law enforcement agency, investigating whether michael brown's stepfather louis last week. it happened on a monday after an officer decided not to indict officer wilson. head reached out to console brown's mother, his wife, and then turned to outrage. >> burn this -- [ bleep ] burn this [ bleep ] down burn this [ bleep ] down. >> there are now two federal investigations into the ferguson police department. brown's shooting and its aftermath. and they are still moving ahead. they are expected to wrap up by the time attorney general eric holder leaves office likely in february. after days of nonviolent protests in ferguson, the national guard is now starting to scale back its presence there. missouri governor jay nixon is give nothing firm timetable but he has announced a systematic reduction in the nearly 1300 guardsmen stationed in the city. cnn's george howell has the latest from ferguson. >> reporter: the headline out of ferguson, john and christine, it really is all about the investigation. police are promising to look into every angle and to find anyone respo

michael brown's running away. darren wilson's job is to keep his eyes on michael brown.e has said both in his statements on august 9th, august 10th, in front of the grand jury, in his statement to the feds, he has said, listen, the reason i got out of the car was not to arrest michael brown. i couldn't. he didn't believe for a minute that he could subdue michael brown by himself. his job, getting out of the car, was to keep eyes on him. wherever he went, he had to see where he went because he believed -- >> but why not just follow him in his car and wait for the backup? >> well, because what if he gets off the road? what if he gets into the neighborhood, which is exactly where he was going? you can't follow everywhere in the car itself. >> mr. parks, your reaction? >> his job is to keep eyes on him. >> a couple problems, chris. one, when the officer got out of the car, witnesses have testified that he continued to shoot at michael as michael was running away. and there -- >> wait, wait, wait. he wasn't -- wait. mr. parks he wasn't shot in the back, he was shot in the fro

if michael brown did not have his hands up, isn't that true? >> well, i don't know. video in september of a black man pulled up on video in south carolina. the police officer says show me your driver's license and i.d. so the black man reaches back into his car to present the wallet with his i.d. in it and the police officer starts to yell and shoot him and he actually shoots this man with his hands up as he's falling back. that is on video. so i don't know what the political writer perspective of the world is. all i know is there has been multiple evidence for many people in minority community that sometimes crooked police officers do bad things, and to do bad things in the shadows but the minorities who suffer from this they see it and because of technology, because of dashcams and hopefully because of body cams, the larger society are beginning to see some of the things that the minority community has been experiencing by corrupt police officers, not the police department but corrupt police officers for a very long time. >> well, we're at the point now though when

the officer who shot and killed michael brown steps down from the ferguson police department. we'll talk to the brown family attorney. are they getting what they want out of all of this? >>> isis threat. a chilling warning to u.s. troops, the terrorists now believed to be looking for recruits to attack american military personnel. is social media making them more vulnerable? >>> and cyber attack, a major movie studio targeted as it releases a movie blasted by north korea. is kim jong-un's regime taking revenge online? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we're following the breaking news. president obama discussing the ferguson fallout right now over at the white house. he's meeting today with officials and activists among a wave of new protests across the country. at least 60 separate walkouts today protesting the grand jury decision not to charge the police officer who shot and killed michael brown. officer darren wilson has now resigned from the ferguson police department. we're covering all angles of the story this hour with our correspondents, our guests a

the tears of the families of these police officers and the tears of eric garner's family and michael brown'sily aren't shed in law enforcement blue, racially black or brown, they're colorless. >> here with reaction from the black sphere, brian benjamin, fox news contributor david webb. david, let me start here because you were in ferguson a number of times covering that issue for this program. those case -- that case in particular was not about race. it was made racial by politicians. you heard from the president on down rushed to judgment before any evidence was even presented. the expectation that a certain verdict from the grand jury would come in. do you think that contributed to the rhetorical atmosphere that inspired, if you will, this lunatic -- i'm not saying they're to blame, but perhaps had an impact mentally on this guy to do this. >> yeah, sean, it does. and we're talking about environment here not only with what this assassin did, this criminal did, but what's going on around the entire nation right now. i just sent another threat to nypd for them to check out while i was waitin

you have eye witnesses, many of them black saying michael brown did not have his hands up. wril brown is not cooperating with the police. as a matter of fact saying he was like a football player, and what do you say to the people that are that saying it is false? >> here is the problem, sean, one, i think people are about the process that took place when you have a prosecutor putting witnesses before the grand jury, yet you impeach your own witnesses from the grand jury. >> wait a minute. but we have witnesses you have members of congress telling the country that is listening, oh, michael brown had his hands up and said "don't shoot". that is a lie. witnesses said it's a lie. he was charging at the officer after he tried to steal the guy's gun. >> sean? they have different versions of the story. some say what you're saying. others say they saw his hands up. >> damion johnson? the guy that helped steal from the convenience store? that guy? the didn't support that nor did the autopsy support that. >> here is the problem, sean. there is enough of a probable cause. issue you're

the article offers this quote from witness number 10's testimony about a gesture that michael brown madeid some sort of body gesture. i'm not sure what it was. but i know it was a body gesture, and i could say for sure he never put his hands up after he did his body gesture. he ran towards the officer full charge. now here is the sentence, right before that quote. that "the washington post" article decided, willfully decided not to include. i can't say for sure what sort of body gesture. i cannot fully recall. that is how witness number 10 began his description, but you would never know that by reading "the washington post" article. as i said in last week in real courtroom, witnesses who begin answers with i can't say for sure and then say i cannot fully recall, and then say i'm not sure twice within the body of that answer do not survive real cross-examination in real courtrooms. answers that begin with i can't say for sure and i can't fully recall are of very little value in real courtrooms. and that sentence, i can't say for sure, i cannot fully recall, was of very little value to an

in the michael brown case there were many eyewitnesses who said that they saw michael brown turn and charge the police officer. those witnesses in many cases were african-americans. so why is this a race issue? >> it's a race issue because i feel -- i don't know, honestly. >> if michael brown was white, it would not have gone down the way it went down. i can say that for sure. >> so despite the fact there are many african-american witnesses saying michael brown was charging at the police officer, you still say this would not have happened had he not been an african-american and white police officer. >> this would not have happened at all. >> sean, that is the answer to the question. they believe this shooting would not have happened had michael brown been white. that's the answer to the question you're asking about those eyewitnesses, sean. and this protest now halting again, which the police as i have said do not like. they will keep this moving. but again, sean, we have to emphasize that this has been throughout the evening an angry, impassioned but peaceful protest, sean. >> jonat

they are here not only for michael brown but also for eric garner. that was the case here in new york city of a man who was arrested in july for illegally selling cigarettes. he was taken to the ground by officers, put in a choke hold and eric garner died. a grand jury is meeting to decide whether or not the officer involved in that case should be charged. the folks are here for air rec garner and are here to speak out against police brutality. so far this protests have been peaceful. not like the tense protests that i saw in ferguson a few days ago. in terms of police presence, let me show you across the street, members of the new york city police department are here as well but once again so far things have been peaceful. i spock to one of the organizers. he said they plan to stay here all day chanting for what they believe in. >> i know there have been protests here in washington, d.c., the nation's capital. these are happening all over the country right now. modest, i guess the numbers where you are. you said about 100 protesters right now? >> re

. >> as walk out of schools across the country to protest the killing of michael brown, will speak with ashley yates. she was at the white house yesterday for a meeting with president obama to address ferguson and police militarization. then the united nations slams u.s. record on police brutality and torture. reports of widespread police.rced by the they gives rise to concern, of course, and also some vulnerable groups, including ethnic groups, blacks, have been particularly targeted by this force. >> we will speak to a member of the united nations committee against torture on u.s. policing practices, guantanamo and prosecuting bush administration officials. and finally, texas prepares to execute a schizophrenic prisoner despite calls for clemency. ,> an alter ego of mine, sarge killed my illinois -- my in-laws . there's nothing to have me become what i am here. >> that's the voice of scott panetti who is scheduled to die wednesday night. he was sentenced to death after a trial in which he acted as his own attorney and appeared in court wearing a purple cowboy suit and a 10-gallon hat.

he said -- he was talking about michael brown. this -- are we focusing on the wrong part of this conversation? we're talking about law enforcement and the relationship between the black community and the law enforcement community when we obviously had a breakdown somewhere in michael brown's life. >> we have to talk on both of them. talk about michael brown and the police. there's no question about that. i think that hearing this, i like the song "happy." it's on my phone at home. you want to listen to it. it makes a lot of difference. the reality is that michael brown did not have a gun. he put his hands up. michael brown was trying to avoid confrontation. i think that we need to understand why we have these data -- it's clear that black boys are being killed by white police officers around the country from north to south, from east to west. it doesn't end. i think we have to make sure that we're responding to that, making the people like michael brown understand it and deal with it. but make sure we don't have these things happe

but it wasn't just about michael brown, they told us.were angry at about something more profound than that. >> they just harass, they just treat you like you don't belong. >> who do? the police? >> yea, the police? >> we've got two strikes: black and male. so all we got to do is a miss a blinker and we're stressed out in the middle of the street. >> that's what people say? two strikes? >> you make a face at a cop, strike 3 you're out. you're going to jail for something. >> what these young men were talking about is more than just a "perception" of unfair treatment from police. >> they have no connection to them culturally, other than as police officers patrolling the area and enforcing the law. >> adolphus pruitt is head of the local naacp chapter which filed a federal civil rights complaint in late 2013 against the st louis county police for disproportionately targeting blacks. >> a young black kid can live in an urban area and when he leaves his house and he's going for a walk, or he's going to work, he's going to school, he's subjecte

should michael brown's stepfather be arrested. cnn correspondent george how well joins us now live in ferguson, missouri. george, what is the latest on this investigation? >> jake, look behind me. you see these businesses. you remember this scene here on florissant. business owners have lost a great deal of their livelihood. the question now, was there auto singular moment to help incite the rioting, looting that we saw here in ferguson. that's the question that we understand police chief tom jackson with the ferguson police department, that he's looking into. also, st. louis county police are looking into this situation. they are interviewing people who know mr. head and we understand that they also plan to interview mr. head himself but you'll remember, we've heard from michael brown's attorneys. we've heard also from michael brown's mother all basically saying this was a moment of great frustration, of outrage in the moment of what we heard mr. head say was simply out of frustration. that's what we're hearing from them. but, ag

now to the investigation of michael brown's stepfather.well is joining us live from ferguson, missouri. tell us what's going on as far as this part of the story is concerned. >> reporter: wolf, good day. we're talking about a lot of property damage here in ferguson. a lot of business own here's are struggling. so the question now, was there a singular voice? a singular event that helped to spark and incite the looting and the riots? that's the question we understand the police chief of ferguson, tom jackson, is into. also, when the st. louis county police are looking into this case. they're going to look at that video. the video you've seen where mr. head, according to his family, was very emotional. but police are questioning whether he helped to incite a riot. we also understand that they are going to question people who know head and also plan to question him as well. but they're not just singling him out. keep in mine, there is a lot of damage here. a lot of businesses have been burned down. they're boarded up. so police plan to pursue

that's the point and that's why michael brown is such a telling case for me. professor mark lamont brown, thank you for being on. we've been told by authorities in new york we could get a decision in eric garner grand jury today we'll stay on it. >>> now to a tragedy in knoxville, tennessee, a deadly collision involving two school buses, police say the school buses were traveling in opposite directions when one crossed the median and struck the side of the other bus, leaving three dead including two young girls, cnn's martin savage joins us live from the cnn center in atlanta with the latest. >> well federal investigators, the ntsb has been dispatched to help in the investigation to answer that question -- how in the world could something like this happen? the images are horrifying, two buses, full of elementary school students, colliding on a tennessee highway. one, rolling over left mangled on its side. the other, completely caved in from the front. >> it's a horrible tragedy. you know, our hearts go out to these family who is have lost loved ones. >> police

the interview next. >>> got the late es for you on the michael brown shooting.guson law enforcement forces tell cnn that michael brown's stepfather seen in the green shirt in this video will likely not face any charges for if outburst after a grand jury decided not to indict officer darren wilson. you've probably seen the video before in which louis head can be heard yelling "burn this bitch down" over and over again. this morning, head released this statement apologizing for his actions reading in part, i was so angry and full of raw emotions as so many others were and, granted, i screamed out words that i shouldn't have screamed in the heat of the moment. it was wrong and i humbly apologize to all of those who read my pain and anger as a true desire for what i want for our community. it wasn't. head isn't the only one expressing outrage over the shooting. the fbi has arrested this for threatening to kill officer wilson. he is accused of posting multiple death threats on facebook saying he was trying to get his hands on a gun and was planning to travel to fergu

michael brown's stepfather, lewis head. it's this outburst right after the grand jury decision not to indict darren wilson that is at the heart of this investigation. >> that is exactly what happened. that night angry protesters burned businesses and police cars. could he be charged with attempting to incite those riots. protests are continuing today. hundreds of students walked out of school this morning their hands in the air accompanied by their teachers. cnn has also learned that off duty officers have been providing round the clock protection to darren wilson since the shooting. the reason according to a police union leader is ferguson police are unwilling or unable to provide that protection. we begin that coverage tonight in ferguson. the focus now is on, we just played it. we kept saying burn this -- down. michael brown's stepfather. >> good evening. important to also point out that police are looking into every angle. any person that could have been responsible for the damage here in ferguson, but yes they are look

it's bigger than michael brown?don't understand it. >> i was trying to think if anyone should do anything at all. i just want to watch the game. i turn on the news when i get. >> commentary -- >> -- there is something the nfl has ruled excessive celebration. i looked in that you have to be be on the field which is why you can go a little bit further and do the lambeau leap green bay. >> tim tebow, snarky comments about that tebow and the kneeling down after a touchdown and there were those kind of comments i think they have the right to speak out. >> shut up and play would be my preferred. but of course they have a right to speak out. but, at this time, at this moment, i don't know what they think they are going to accomplish. we have had a carnage across the country against black people. unfortunately, for the most part, for the overwhelming percentage of crimes committed against black people, are committed by black people. and we don't hear the players after the fact they were saying oh, we wanted to say something

he said quote, shoot to police and rip eric garn and michael brown. he said this may be my final post. i'm putting pigs in a blanket. >> today, two of new york's finest were shot and killed with no warning, no provocation, they were quite simply assassinated. targeted for their uniform and for the responsibility they embrace to keep the people of this city safe. >> and there's a lot of blame to go around this weekend. listen to what the president of the new york city's benevolent had to say. >> those that incited violence on the street under guys of protest that tried to tear down what new york city police officers did every day. we tried to warn, it must not go on, it cannot be tolerated. that blood on the hands stops on the steps of city haul in the office of the mayor. >> and he's not the only one that feels that way, when the mayor entered, this is how he was greeted. police officers literally turned their back on him. and we'll discuss who, if anyone is to blame on the antipolice sentiment. and now, joining us now, ainsley earhardt. >> just hours

the deaths of michael brown and eric garner had revenge killings with two police officers being killed. >> we have had four months of propaganda starting with the president that everyone should hate the police. >> what we have learned is when someone like sharpton injects himself in racially contentious situations, people get killed. >> to blame the mayor and others is not what we need. i have instructed our attorney last night i began receiving threatening phone calls and hate. >> are the media flying an inflammatory role and what about the mayor de blasio attacking the press and our special guests including a former spokesman in the bush white house and columnist for the "daily beast." what do you make of the whole argument that some people have blood on their hands over the shootings? >> if that were true would some in the media be likely guilty of the reporting they put on the air? as i said before, i think with few exceptions people would commit violence are the ones responsible for the violence not other people for supposedly inciting them but there is a delicate balance. people

ferguson or central time to mark the moment michael brown was killed. from new york to minneapolis, washington, d.c. to san francisco -- >> a tremendous group gathered here -- >> reporter: after a few days of violent reactions in ferguson to the grand jury decision, today protesters around the country largely peacefully voiced their opposition to not only what they perceive as the specific injustice in the michael brown case but larger issues of social injustice for minorities. >> the point is to disrupt business as usual. >> reporter: while the president at the white house was meeting behind closed doors to discuss what to do post-perferguson, bls away protesters lay in the streets blocking traffic. >> michael brown's life stopped and everybody else needs to take time to realize that. >> reporter: the controversy did not take a holiday for thanksgiving weekend. >> we have severed ties with officer dirn wilson. >> reporter: after months of pressure and negotiation, officer darren wilson resigned his post over the weekend as a ferguson police officer say

the anguish of his wife, michael brown's mother, leading up to it. here's the complete moment. >> i ain't never had to go through like this. >> none of you all know me but i don't do nothing to nobody. anybody say is wrong. >> the words at issue in the context surrounding them. here's what missouri's lieutenant governor had to say to conservative talk show host laura ingram and by implication, the rest of the riot tors. >> you hear that sound from the stepfather of michael brown, what's your reaction? >> he should be arrested and charged with inciting to riot. >> i mean, why hasn't that already happened? this should be mass arrests. nothing quite said civil rights outrage like a fifth of jack daniels. that speaks to the great legacy of rosa parx. martin luther king. >> did one man's words trigger some of the rioting that followed? he was standing there 20 feet from the heads. jason, you were there. walk us through how everything played out. >> well, my photographer, my producer and i, not far from where all of this was happening. the moments, it was

disturbios que sucedieron durante la marcha, unos 400 manifestantes manifestaban justicia para michael browndecisiÓn del jurado de no juzgar a los policÍas. a llegar al Área de la avenida universitaria, esta manifestaciÓn se salió de control segÚn la policÍa. esta joven dijo que el anuncio de algunas ciudades de que implementarÁn cámaras a oficiales de policÍa ha cambiado los Ánimos. pues a pesar de que se han mostrado vÍdeo sobre abuso policial, las autoridades no han hecho nada. >> han agarrado a policÍas en vÍdeo y nada ha pasado nada. >> mientras que en san francisco cientos marcharon desde la calle marquet hasta la misiÓn. una manifestación que aumentÓ su nÚmero a medida que marchaban. algunas acostaron en la calle para impedir el paso en ambas direcciones. esta manifestante disco que tienen una meta comÚn. >> nuestra meta es lograr la mayor cantidad de personas para demostrar que estamos en contra de la brutalidad de la policÍa. >> lÍderes y miembros de la comunidad hacen un llamado a los manifestantes, a que de continuar con esta marcha, lo hagan de manera pacÍfica. dicen que los vidr

michael skoel nick is editor of global grind.com. judith brown is the co-director of the advancement project. i'm so glad you could join us today off this meeting. i want to get your reaction, michael. i'll start with you. i know you spent a lot of time with michael brown's mother in conversati conversation, putting your heads together, comforting her. i'm sure your curious about this news that her husband is being investigated from the comments he made after the announcement not to indict darren wilson was made. what's your reaction to that? >> the first image i saw of this tragedy was that gentleman holding a cardboard sign handwritten saying "a cop killed my unarmed son." before we saw the body of his son in the street for four and a half hours, i saw a photograph online on twitter of him holding a sign. 100 plus days later, the state still did not protect him and his family. that was raw emotion. the fact that police are investigating that he incited a riot after 110 people protesting the state to at least indict this police officer is ludicr

i'm amy goodman. >> as protests continue across the country over the police killing of michael brown,ew questions are being raised about the grand jury that failed to indict ferguson police officer darren wilson for shooting brown. many questions center on a woman identified in the grand jury documents simply as "witness 40." she told the grand jury that brown charged at wilson quote "like a football player." her testimony largely supported wilon's versions of events and has been citied repeatedly on fox news. >> he then "looks like a football player" -- i am meeting "like a football player." michael brown was "charging like a football player." one witness described it as charging at officer wilson like a football player with your head down. >> earlier this week the smoking gun website identified witness 40 as sandra mcelroy. the website described her as a quote "bipolar missouri woman with a criminal past who has a history of making racist remarks and once insinuated herself into another high-profile st. louis criminal case with claims that police eventually dismissed as a complete f

michael brown, they profiled and demonized michael brown. 18 years old.d sisters, now we come to tamir rice. ohio.rs old, cleveland, are they going to demonize and profile this face? it don't matter what they say about our children. we believe in our children. we love our children. are going to continue to speak up for our children. children.ur we are going to stand up for our children here on the nation's capital and in every courtroom in america. brothers and sisters, without -- ado, i want to introduce our president of our national bar association, the largest association of lawyers of color, who are going to make sure we get due process in missouri, staten island, cleveland ohio, and your neighborhood wherever you are from. we are going to represent. people got water hoses turned on them. we can be safe and go make a lot of money. those sacrifices for us to represent our people. give it up for our president. >> who said an african-american lawyer is either a social engineer or a parasite? reverend al sharpton, families of america, i came to let you kn

michael brown was the one who just committed a strong-arm robbery. there's no racial profiling involved. he's the one who did it. he's the one who got confronted by the cop. >> exactly right. i think that it is the fact that people around the country look at this, and they look at these scenes of utter disorder, of looting, arson and the rest of it, destruction in the streets of ferguson and they think this is not being well handled very much by anybody. they don't like the way the president's responded to it. they certainly don't think the authorities in ferguson handled it well. why would you when you see scenes like the one on the right-hand side of your screen right now. it looks badly done. if there's one surprise in that poll, megyn, it's that the approval of what the grand jury did in this was not stronger than it seems to have been. maybe other polls will be different. we'll see. >> amazing how the race relations break down when you look at the poll. look at that. do you approve of the grand jury's decision not to charge officer wilson, 58% o

do you believe michael brown is a hero of some sort? >> no, michael brown is a victim. >> 100% a victim. >> he didn't bring any of that -- >> no, no, no, but the grand jury knows because they ruled -- >> the grand jurors are missing the set of facts by prosecutors who didn't want to indict darren wilson. >> are you aware of any evidence that was not presented to the grand jury? >> yes, the law. it is unconstitutional, 1985. that a police officer could shoot a fleeing suspect. they presented that to the case. >> but the evidence was mr. brown was coming back towards him. >> and they shoot him -- >> no, no, i just told you the evidence said he was coming back. >> how do you know? >> the evidence that was presented in the grand jury. >> you haven't seen the evidence. >> the evidence that was presented to the grand jury. >> let's put darren wilson on the witness stand -- >> you don't believe in the grand jury system? >> of course i do, i don't believe the prosecutor presented a fair case. >> you're different than most -- many -- what charle

michael brown never raised his hands. you cannot have people putting out this false information and, once again, you know, truly deceiving the american people. and furthermore, if the congressional black caucus doesn't want to be silent, why are they talking about the deaths and shootings of the young black men in chicago? why aren't they talking about the 25 small businesses that were burned to the ground that did not participate in small business saturday? those are the real issues that they should be talking about. not the politicized issue that they are taking up. >> and i agree with you on the second part about why aren't we talking about the issues across the country but in terms of the hands up part, i did some more research on it and i'm very differential initial to grand juries. whatever grand juries or juries decide, 16 people testified that hands were up. two were asked about it, another two, they said no hands were up. eight did not volunteer that there were any hands up and three said they didn't know. there

i was reading the questioning of johnson who was michael brown's friend. a key eyewitness. rian johnson. >> the young man with amico brown that day. >> his testimony was they met at 7:00 in the morning. they would start smoking weed at seven clog in the morning and they were going to the convenience store. no questioning about where they were from the four hours from 7:00 until 11:53 when the convenience store stick-up takes place. softball questioning by the prosecutor throughout. >> hypothetically, why does that matter in we know they smoked pot it was. in his system. >> it matters because, it suppose the prosecutors were softball questioning everybody. they were just presenting all of the evidence to the grand jury and letting them decide. it wasn't that they were just going soft on the cop. >> that's not accurate. >> that's just not accurate. when you read the testimony of those witnesses, many were questioned very aggressively. darren wilson was allowed to give testimony. the question of -- >> where were they between -- where were they in that four-hours? >> towed bring

all of this as supporters of michael brown are encouraged to stage walkouts across the country. nbc's ron allen has the latest. >> reporter: darren wilson, 28 and recently married to another ferguson police officer, expecting their first child, is no longer with the police force. wilson has been getting death threats, according to his attorneys, who also say he made his decision to resign minutes after hearing from the police chief that others could be in danger. chief jackson would not go into details about the threats. >> were there threats to the department and him as well? >> there have been. >> you take these seriously? >> absolutely. >> what made them credible? >> who's making the threat and their capabilities to carry it out. that's what has to be assessed. i don't want to go into the analysis. >> are they still out this? >> oh, yes. >> reporter: in a letter wilson said, it is my hope my resignation will allow the community to heal." the mayor echoed that sentiment. >> the city of ferguson will not be making a severance payment to officer wilson. now is the time for the c