michael dukakis, i wouldn't talk about it either. woodruff: john margolis, a question for senator bentsen. margolis: senator bentsen, you have claimed that vice president bush and the republicans will raid the social security trust fund, and you have vowed to protect it. but as chairman of the senate finance committee, you must know that there is something to the argument of your fellow democrat bob strauss that some restraint on social security growth may be needed, or at least some decision to tax most social security benefits as regular income. in fact, you once voted for and spoke for a six-month delay on cost of living adjustment increases for social security. senator, aren't you and gov. dukakis using this issue politically, rather than dealing with it responsibly? bentsen: well, i must say i hate to disappoint my good friend bob strauss, but we have a contract with the american people on social security. and social security is an issue where senator quayle voted eight times to cut the benefits on social security, where this ad

we changed america, michael dukakis fought us every step of the way. it is simply that they will take america backwards. george bush has experience. the future. a future committed to family. a future committed to freedom. thank you, good night, and god bless you. [applause] >> mr. bentsen? sen. bentsen, your closing statement. sen. bentsen: in just 34 days, america will elect new leadership for our country. it is a most important decision. because there is no more important job than governing this great country of our hands leading us into the future. michael dukakis and lloyd bentsen offer you experience, capable leadership to meet those challenges of the future. the opposition says lower your sites. mike dukakis in lloyd bentsen think america can do better. that america can't it just coast into the future clinging to the past. this race is too close. the competition is too tough. the stakes are too high. michael did caucus lloyd bentsen think america must move into that future united in a commitment to make this country of ours the most powerful, the

michael dukakis does nothing.sh people run this. >> as a candidate, michael dukakis called boston harbor an open sewer. as governor, he had the opportunity to do something about it but chose not to. the environmental protection agency calls his lack of action the most expensive public policy mistake in the history of new england. now the dirtiest harbor in america will cost residents $6 billion to clean. michael dukakis promises to do for america what he has done for massachusetts. mr. oxman: there used to be something in this country called the liberal republican. some of you might remember. there were people like john heinz -- sorry to bring up his name -- and hugh scott and jacob javits and about 40 people who are actually liberal republicans. and they used to be proenvironment. when they asked this question in a poll before the ad ran -- the two main candidates for president were mike dukakis and george bush -- who would be best to protect the environment? dukakis was winning, because people believed the democ

and i think that would mean you're are going to vote for michael dukakis and lloyd bentsen. udy: brit? firstthe breakfast club, revealed you had $10,000 a plate, you handled with charming candor. you said it was a mistake. you called the whole idea off. the question i have, if the washington post had not broken -- and other media picked up on it, what can you tell us tonight as to why we should not believe that you would still be having those breakfasts to this day? [scattered laughter] sen. bentsen: i really must say, brit, i don't make many mistakes, but that one was a real doozy. and i agree with that. and, as you know, i immediately disbanded it. it was perfectly legal. and you have all kinds of such clubs on the hill and you know that. but i still believe that the better way to go is to have a campaign reform law that takes care of that kind of a situation. even though it's legal, the perception is bad. so i would push very strong to see that we reform the entire situation. i'd work for that end, and that's what my friend from indiana has opposed repeatedly, vote after

michael dukakis, i wouldn't talk about it either. judy woodruff: john margolis, a question for senator bentsen. jon margolis: senator bentsen, you have claimed that vice president bush and the republicans will raid the social security trust fund, and you have vowed to protect it. but as chairman of the senate finance committee, you must know that there is something to the argument of your fellow democrat bob strauss that some restraint on social security growth may be needed, or at least some decision to tax most social security benefits as regular income. in fact, you once voted for and spoke for a six-month delay on cost of living adjustment increases for social security. senator, aren't you and governor dukakis using this issue politically, rather than dealing with it responsibly? senator bentsen: well, i must say i hate to disappoint my good friend bob strauss, but we have a contract with the american people on social security. and social security is an issue where senator quayle voted eight times to cut the benefits on social se

and you want michael dukakis to be president overwhelmingly for this reason. mike dukakis knows we don't have a single solitary person to waste." in 1988, michael dukakis was the democratic party's nominee for president of the unted states. for president of the unted states. the son of greek immigrants, he'd served four terms in the massachusetts house of representatives and would go on to serve as the 65th and the 67th governor of massachusetts. as a candidate, he was well regarded for his record on jobs, healthcare and education. "when it comes to education, president dukakis will stand and deliver!" dukakis left the democratic national convention with a 17 point lead in the polls. the campaign but as they say - what goes up, must come down and his opponent would most certainly see to that. "our work is not done. our force is not spent. there are those who say there isn't much of a difference this year. but america, don't let 'em fool ya." in august, 1988 when vice president george h.w. bush acce t nomination for president of the united states, he and his cam

why people do this. >> -- once soared almost to the top of american politics. 1988 was the year michael dukakisat the white house. >> we're going to win this race. we're going to win this race. >> when he first began campaigning -- >> mike dukakis, how are you? >> do you know this book? i can take a bath? >> the governor of massachusetts had almost no national profile. >> when i came out here 10 or 11 months ago, nobody knew what a dukakis was. >> in just a year he went from national nobody to the democratic nominee. with a big post convention lead over vice president george bush. >> a new nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows dukakis leading george bush. 50-32% of an 18-point margin. >> how do you blow a lead that big? >> it was an election that could have been won, should have been won and i didn't win it. >> how do you lose to a guy labeled a wimp? >> i made a decision which turned out to be maybe the dumbest decision. i simply would not respond to the bush campaign. i said no, i won't do it. >> in a move almost unthinkable today, dukakis decided to go positive in one of the dirtiest and

bush and massachusetts governor michael dukakis. the candidates the questions on taxes and the budget deficit, defense spending and nuclear weapons stockpiles, as well as their choice of vice president told running mate. the republican ticket of george bush and dan quayle defeated democrats michael dukakis and lloyd bentsen in the general election, winning the popular vote 53-46. this debate from los angeles is about an hour and a half. bernard shaw: on behalf of the commission on presidential debates, i am pleased to welcome you to the second presidential debate. i am bernard shaw of cnn, cable

why people do this. >> -- once soared almost to the top of american politics. 1988 was the year michael dukakisng to win this race. we're going to win this race. >> when he first began campaigning -- >> mike dukakis, how are you? >> good morning. thank you. appreciate your help. >> do you know this book? "i can take a bath"? >> the governor of massachusetts had almost no national profile. >> when i came out here 10 or 11 months ago, nobody knew what a dukakis was. >> in just a year dukakis went from national nobody to the democratic nominee. [ crowd chanting "we want mike" ] with a big post-convention lead over vice president george bush. >> a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows dukakis leading george bush by 50% to 32%. >> how do you blow a lead that big? >> it was an election that could have been won, should have been won and i didn't win it. >> and how do you lose to a guy labeled a wimp? >> i made a decision which turned out to be maybe the dumbest decision i'd ever made, that i would simply not attack to the bush attack campaign. i just simply said no, i'm not going to do that. >

i got introduced to michael dukakis, and he could not have been nicer. ked to do some stuff to advance the platform committee hearings in denver. i had kind of gotten to see dukakis. he asked me to be his foreign-policy adviser. secret to people in this audience -- foreign-policy advisers and washington usually say i'm advising everybody. was it became clear that i going with michael dukakis, people would say why would you do that? he was the nominee. i came back to washington after the can tension -- the convention. a woman walks into the cocktail party, she is immediately surrounded by men. is it brooke shields? no, it is madeleine albright. life has a lot of ups and downs. after we lost, some washington lawyer comes up to me and says you certainly messed that up. i kind of lost that brooke shields appeal. mr. rubenstein: unit became president of the national center for policy. when bill clinton was running, you were not really as prominent . ultimately, you headed up the transition for the national security council for bill clinton. then did you expect

bush and massachusetts governor michael dukakis. >> you have a president that will work with the congress and the american people. we can bring that deficit down steadily, $25, $30 billion a year, build economic growth. build a good, strong future for america, invest in those things which we must invest in. economic development, good jobs. >> i wish he would join me, as a matter of fact, in appealing the american people for the balanced budget for the federal government and for the line item veto. i would like to have that line item veto for the president, because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. >> and the 2008 debate with illinois senator barack obama and arizona senator john mccain. >> the situation today cries out for bipartisanship. senator obama has never taken on the leaders of his party on a single issue. and we need to reform. so let's look at our records as well as our rhetoric. that's really part of your mistrust here. >> so we're going to have to make some investments but also some spending cuts. what i propose is, i am cutting more than i am spending. so it will

bush and massachusetts governor michael dukakis. >> i want to bring the white of shrink ande fiscal responsibility which will build a good, strong foundation under which or above which this country can move, grow, and best, and build the best america for its people and for our kids and grandkids. >> i wish he would joined me in the filling the american people for the budget -- i would like to have that line-item veto for the president because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. announcer: at 6:00 we take a tour of the uss wisconsin, one of the largest battleships built by the u.s. navy launched in 1943 and saw service in world war ii through the gulf war. >> i want to talk a little bit about the citadel with the 17 inch armor. in front of us we have this door which is closed during combat, it weighs approximately five tons. announcer: just before 9:00 p.m. eastern matlock albright receipt -- madeleine all right -- medically -- madeleine albright. -- ae national journal woman walks into a cocktail party and is immediately surrounded by men, is it brooke shields, no, it is madeleine albri

bush and michael dukakis. >> i want to bring to the white house a sense of strength and fiscal responsibility that will build a good strong foundation which this country can move, grow, invest, and build the best america for its people and our kids. >> i wish he would join me, as a matter of fact, in appealing the american people for the balanced budget amendment for the federal government and i would like to have that line item veto for the president, because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. >> at 6:00, we'll take a tour to have "uss wisconsin." it was launched in 1943 and saw service in world war ii through the gulf war. >> i want to talk a little bit about the citadel with this 17-inch armor. in front of us, we have this door, which is closed during combat. the door weighs approximately five tons. >> and former secretary of state madeiline albright receives the great americans award. >> and then i come back to washington after the convention, and i have a cocktail party, very popular. the national journal says, a woman walks into the cocktail party. she's immediately surround

they fired a shot across the bow at the new online ad compared to the immediate cost michael dukakisause it gave the impression he was soft on crime. the ad may have arty backfired because rnc spokesman sean spicer had to delete each read about it. both candidates know that this debate is not about to it is about the top of the ticket. lauren, nicole. nicole: fox business will have live coverage and analysis of tonight's presidential -- vice residential debate is 7:00 p.m. eastern. lou dobbs tonight will be there and i'm a p.m. to midnight we have conclude of. lauren: russia stepping up barbara charlotte side. russia has deployed in an ant antimissile system to syria for the first time. that could be used against a cruise missile attack. the cut off of direct talks between russia and the united states. russia has suspended a deal with the u.s. on the disposal of weapons grade plutonium. nicole: hurricane matthew is pounding haiti right now. sustained winds jumping how the rain and the impoverished nation. some parts of the country could get as much as 40 inches of rain at the hurrica

michael dukakis has run for sheriff, and so has george bush. bernard: governor, a one-minute response. [applause] gov. dukakis: i didn't hear the word liberal or left one time. i thank you for that. [laughter] vice president bush: that's not bad. that's true. gov. dukakis: and doesn't that prove the point, george, which is that values like family and education and community, decent homes for young people that family on long island i visited on monday where lou and betty tolamo bought a house for some $19,000 back in 1962, have had 7 children, they're all making good livings. they can't live in the community which they grew up in. those are basic american values. i believe in them. i think you believe in them. they're not left or right. they're decent american values. i guess the one thing that concerns me about this, ann, is this attempt to label things which all of us believe in. we may have different approaches. we may think that you deal with them in different ways. but they're basically american, i believe in them. george bush believes in th

we changed america, michael dukakis fought us every step of the way. it is simply that they will take america backwards. george bush has experience. with me, the future. a future committed to family. a future committed to freedom. thank you, good night, and god bless you. [applause] >> mr. bentsen? sen. bentsen, your closing statement. sen. bentsen: in just 34 days america will elect new leadership for our country. it is a most important decision. because there is no more important job than governing this great country of our hands leading us into the future. michael dukakis and lloyd bentsen offer you experience, capable leadership to meet those challenges of the future. the opposition says lower your sites. mike dukakis in lloyd bentsen think america can do better. that america can't it just coast into the future clinging to the past. this race is too close. the competition is too tough. the stakes are too high. michael did caucus lloyd bentsen think america must move into that future united in a commitment to make this country of ours the most power

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duchene and michael dukakis. >> we can bring that deficit down steadily, build economic growth, build a good strong future for america, invest in those things which we must invest in, economic development, good jocks. >> i wish he would join me, as a matter of fact, in appealing to the american people for the balanced budget mendment for the federal government and for the line item veto. i would like to have the line item veto for the president because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. >> and the twail debate with illinois senior ibrahimovic and john mccain. >> the situation today cries out for bipartisanship. senator obama has never taken on the leaders of his party on a single issue. we need to reform. let's look at our records as well as our rhetoric. that is really part of your mistrust here. >> we are going to have to make some investments, but we have so make spending cuts. you will hear senator mccain saying he is proposing a whole butch more spending. it is a spending cut. >> watch past proceedings debates saturday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. watch any t

the republican ticket of george bush and dan quayle defeated democrats michael dukakis and lloyd bentsen in the general election, winning the popular vote 53/46%.

the republican ticket defeated democrats michael dukakis and lloyd bentsen winning the popular vote

bush and michael dukakis.michael dukakis: i want to bring to the white house the strength and fiscal responsibility it will build a good strong foundation under which this country were about which this country can move, grow, invest, and build the best america for its people and our kids and grandkids. bush: i wish you would join me in dealing with the american people for the balanced budget amendment for the federal government and the line-item veto. i would like to have that line-item veto for the president because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. >> at 6:00, we take a tour of the uss wisconsin, one of the largest battleships built by the u.s. navy, and saw service through the gulf war. >> i want to talk about the citadel with a 17 inch armor. in front of us, we have a door which is close during combat. that door weighs approximately five tons. former secretary of state madeleine albright receives the great american's award from the national museum of american history. >> i come back to washing

bush and michael dukakis. the whiteto bring house is since of strength and fiscal responsibility which will build a strong foundation under which this country can move, grow, invest, and build the best america for its people and our kids and grandkids. >> i wish he would join me in appealing for the american people in a balanced budget in the federal government. [applause] >> i will have liked to have that line-item veto for the president because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. >> and we take a look at one of the largest battleships built by the u.s. navy launched in 1943 and saw service through the gulf war. >> i want to talk about this citadel with this 17 inch armor. we have this door, which is closed during combat. that door with approximately five tons for the injustice on :00 p.m. eastern, madeleine albright received the great american's award and the national museum of american history. >> then i come back to washington after the convention. the national journal says a woman walks into a

bush and massachusetts governor michael dukakis. the second and final debate was held in los angeles. this is an hour and a half. >> good evening. on behalf of the commission on presidential debates, i am pleased to welcome you to the second presidential debate. i am bernard i am bernard shaw of cnn news network. from abc news, -- margaret warner of newsweek magazine and andrea mitchell of nbc news. the candidates are vice theident george bush, republican nominee, and governor michael dukakis. [applause] bernard: for the next 90 minutes we will question the candidates in a format agreed to by the two campaigns. however there are no restrictions on the questions that my colleagues and i can ask this evening, and the candidates have no prior knowledge of our questions. agreement between the candidates, the first question goes to governor dukakis. you have to minutes to respond. governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor in irrevocable death penalty for the killer? gov. dukakis: no i don't bernard. you know tha

. >> yeah, and you're giving a michael dukakis answer. >> what i'm telling you, the news media decide away they want to talk about. we could talk about the debate and the differences between the candidates, this is a story that came out on friday, we're now monday night. donald trump didn't decide to talk with it. the news decided to talk about it. instead of saying let's inform the voters where there are policy disagreements where people's lives are ultimately affected, whether it's through job creation, safety, borders, whatever, we're not discussing that, because the policy now is driven on sensationalism, how can we get the voters riled up over this. we could go to hillary's past, where she talks to voters -- >> the reason we're talking about this, your candidate is donald trump. hold on. the media did not go in and say talk to howard stern. so that we can use your words against you in the future. donald trump is a grown man, and went in to talk to howard stern, and did an interview -- you can say e-mails were a new story a year ago after she spent 11 hours on capitol hill. you co

michael dukakis got wiped out in a landslide loss. a solved victory for barack obama. he wins 690 counties. the gentlemen graphic share shrinks that much that in a big win they lost ground. >> if em democrats don't want to concede, that geographic is destiny. if they want to roll that stone up that hill, is this the way to do it, to try to be strategic about winnable seats, to try to flip legislatures in a way that's advantageous? >> absolutely. it's a longer-term question and the best news for democrats on that front is, look, in 2010, which is the legislatures that were seated is a result of the 2010 election. it was an off-year election and a mid--term election with a democratic president. this is the way that the elections have evolved. steve kornacki, host of the 4 p.m. hour here on msnbc and all around smart man. am i right to say that president obama is doing something that presidents otherwise haven't done? we haven't seen this kind of a down-ticket effort. >>> hoot, hoot. debunction junction, what's my function. okay, i said on friday, that a vice president jo

and michael dukakis, and a lot of people watched them that night and said that he should benefit top of the ticket and michael the caucus should've been on the vice president ticket . people like this presents. >> you have had a chance to watch them both, and how do you think there will be avenue to connect to the viewers to the television?>> each differently, they are very much different people, and i'm kind of interested in seeing in some ways how mike pence does because so much of his time recently in the news clips is spent defending or explaining what donald trump really meant when he tweeted this or said that, or what that tax issue means. and tim kaine on the other hand, you are right in that the personalities are different. he is easy, moves around like a young puppy, full of energy, life and happiness, and has a big smile on his face all the time. he is more subdued, mature looking and sounding in that way. their styles in terms of delivery will be very different, and that affects how people think about them. but i think both of the gentlemen are generally likable, not caring

. >> she's come so far toward bernie's positions in a way that i remember jesse jackson, michael dukakis not adopt any of the positions. she's adopted two-thirds or more of the bernie platform. >> we've got to squeeze in a break. can you stay? there's something i want you to take a look at when we come back, unrelated to the movie, but let's squeeze in some commercials. >> what are we going to sell? >> i don't get to see the commercials. i don't now. the audience will enjoy them. here's some commercials. >> buy something while we're gone. which saves money. and when they save, you save. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. we thought fibers that help caused unwanted gas. not good. then we switched to mirafiber. only mirafiber supports regularity with dailycomfort fiber. and is less likely to cause... unwanted gas. finally. switch to mirafiber. from the makers of miralax. announcer: they'll test you. try to break your will. but however loud the loudness gets. however many cheese puffs may fly. you're the driver. the one in cont

this will attract candidates like michael dukakis, george mcgovern, bobby kennedy, bill bradley. bernie sanders tended to do better among that group, people who have a college degree, upper-middle-class backgrounds. to way clinton intended more blue-collar democrats. there was a modeling this year. addling -- there was a muddling this year. some of the democrats are more skeptical now. we saw stronger divide among income lines and generational lines within the party that tended to be older voters backing clinton had i going to have to go back and look at the data to know for sure. what is your guess on the being of the candidate the only time there has been to genders as opposed to the genders of the voters which is really, the two. will that swing some of the assumptions? most of the time, the gender of the candidate -- the gender of the voter matters more, believe it or not good we tend to think of -- it is the candidate that wins the vote -- two they look like me? you know, think of who voted for bernie sanders -- young people, right? case, we might think some people -- there

applause] >> than the 1988 presidential debate between president george h w bush and governor michael dukakis. >> we can bring that deficit build economic growth, they'll a good strong future for america, invest in those in which we must invest. economic development. me inish he would join appealing to the american people for the balanced budget amendment and for the line item veto. that lineke to pass item veto because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. >> and the 2008 debate with illinois senator barack obama and arizona senator john mccain. --the situation today called cries out for bipartisanship. he has never taken on the leaders of his party for a single issue and we need to reform. let us look at our records as well as our rhetoric. >> we are going to have to make some investments but we have to also make spending cuts. , i am cutting more than i am spending. so it will be a net spending cut. the key is whether or not we have priorities that are working for you. >> watch past presidential debates tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. watch anytime on c-span.org and listen

i can remember covering michael dukakis in his final campaign days. he had a huge crowd.f course, he lost the huge election. but still, it is palpable. whether you're right or on the left, it's very different than what you see on the other side. >> he's campaigning very hard. >> that reflected itself in numbers we don't appreciate. >> i don't think you can underestimate the anger in this country and my sense is that he's doing the rallies, going three, four, five a day. she's not doing any of them. that's making people more passionate. but at the end of the day, there's a lot of things to a campaign. organization, mail, that sort of thing. you've got to believe there's a 3, 4, 5-point difference at the polls. it could close in another week. i don't think so but it could. >> tom, when you look at trends and invariably things tighten up, bill clinton at this time had a 15-point lead over bob dole. it was still a comfortable lead for him. how much do you expect things to tighten up considerably? >> that's traditionally how this will go as the final few voters get off the fen

. >> reporter: he'd be going up against michael dukakis's running mate, senator lloyd benson of texasted world war ii veteran and a former presidential candidate himself, 26 years dan quayle's senior. >> nobody ever asked the questions about whether or not lloyd benson would be qualified to be president of the united states. >> reporter: dan quayle's readiness was number one on the debate topics. what would happen if he were president? >> first i would say a prayer for myself. for the country that i'm about to lead. then i would assemble his people and talk. >> reporter: he was asked the question again and again. >> surely you must have a plan in mind about what you would do if it fell to you to become president of the united states as it has to so many vice presidents just in the last 25 years or so. >> reporter: as he struggled to answer, dan quayle made a fateful comparison. >> i have as much experience in the congress as jack kennedy did when he sought the presidency. >> reporter: benson and kennedy were both elected to congress in the late '40s, around the time dan quayle was bor

. >> and you're giving a michael dukakis answer. >> i'm not giving -- what i'm telling you is, we keepalking about this, the news media gets to decide whatever they want to talk about, they keep driving it toward this. we could be talking about the debate right now. this was a story that came out on friday. we're now monday night, still talking about it, donald trump didn't decide to talk about it. instead of deciding, let's inform the voters of the differences where there were policy disagreements, whether it be through job creation, economic development, safety, borders, whatever, we're not discussing that, because the policy now is driven on sensationalism, how can we get the voters riled up over this, we could go through hillary's past where she talks to wall street bankers and she has a different policy than what she tells the voerers. >> the reason we're talking about this is because your candidate is donald trump. had he not -- >> we should be talking about hillary clinton. >> the media did not go in and say talk to howard stern so that we can use your words against you in the f

bush and massachusetts governor michael dukakis. >> i want to bring to the white house the sense of strength and fiscal responsibility which will build a good, strong foundation under which this country or above which this country can move, grow, invest and build the best america for its people and for our kids and grandkids. >> i wish he would join me in appealing to the american people for the balanced budget amendment for the federal government and for the line-item veto. i'd like to have that line-item veto for the president because i think that would be extraordinarily helpful. >> at:00, a tour of the "uss wisconsin. one of the largest battleships built by the u.s. navy launched in 1943 and saw service in world war ii through the gulf war. >> i want to talk a little bit about this citadel. this 17-inch armor. in front of us, we have this door which is closed during combat. that door weighs approximately 5 tons. >> just before 9:00 p.m. eastern, former secretary of state madeleine albright receives the great americans award from the national museum of american history. >> and then i come

bush and michael dukakis. here is a preview. governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor and irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't. i oppose the death penalty. i don't see any evidence that it is a deterrent. i think there are better ways to deal with violent crime. we did so in my state. it is one of the reasons why we had the biggest drop in crime of any industrial state in america, the lowest murder rate, as well as her. we have work to do in this nation. we have work to do to fight a real war, not a phony war against drugs, something we haven't had over the past many years, although the vice president has been allegedly in charge of the war. we have much to do to step up the war, to double the number of drug enforcement agents, to fight here and abroad to work with our neighbors in this hemisphere. i want to call a hemispheric summit after the 20th of january to fight the war. i want to deal with drug education prevention here at home. that is one of the things i hope i can lead per

this was when bill clinton gave the nominating speech for michael dukakis. after going on and on and on, final he he said -- [ cheers and applause ] >> well, the next day, clinton went around to each of the various networks to do a kind of apology tour, you know, to say, well, maybe i talked too much, but -- kind of to save his budding political career. she came along with him. i did the interview with him. >> you've interviewed both candidates on "fox news sunday." you've given them both tough questions before. >> are you a little thin skinned? >> no, i'm only thin skinned that are false. >> he not only directly contradicted what you said, he also said in that hearing that you were extremely careless and negligent. >> well, chris, i looked at the whole transcript of everything that was said, and what i believe is, number one, i made a mistake. >> an interview, it's you and the candidate. you're the person holding them to account. this is a debate. you know, they're both going to be on the stage. to intervene, i will, but i would prefer not to. basically, yo

. >> she's come so far toward bernie's positions in a way that i remember jesse jackson, michael dukakis any of the positions. she's adopted two-thirds or more of the bernie platform. >> we've got to squeeze in a break. can you stay? there's something i want you to take a look at when we come back, unrelated to the movie, but let's squeeze in some commercials. >> what are we going to sell? >> i don't get to see the commercials. i don't now. the audience will enjoy them. here's some commercials. >> buy something while we're gone. esurance does auto insurance a smarter way. they offer a claim-free discount. because safe drivers cost less to insure, which saves money. and when they save, you save. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. esurance does auto insurance a smarter way. like their photo claims tool. it helps settle your claim quickly, which saves time, which saves money. and when they save, you save. that's auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. ...one of many pieces in

michael dukakis told me he totally understood why willie horton would be used in the campaign. all of this is in the book. i understand the argument about the direct line. my sense is, if you are looking for philosophical or moral consistency, looking at the american presidency or those who seek it is probably not the first place to look. so you need to look at moments on the totality of the lives where they managed to transcend those shortcomings. that's my view yes, sir. >> you have probably answered this question, at least in directly. i recently saw blood he bloodied andrew jackson which is a parity and i think of our current campaign about unbridled populism and the manipulation of that. you see any parallels today? >> between jackson and trump? i resisted this for a couple of reasons. one is the jackson brought an enormous amount of experience. you can argue whether it's good or experience are not to the presidency. he had been a judge, senator, a general and so the idea, fundamentally the choices being presented to us in the next 45br days or so and it's one between the

michael dukakis got wiped out in a landslide loss. a solved victory for barack obama.90 counties. the gentlemen graphic share shrinks that much that in a big win they lost ground. >> if em democrats don't want to concede, that geographic is destiny. if they want to roll that stone up that hill, is this the way to do it, to try to be strategic about winnable seats, to try to flip legislatures in a way that's advantageous? >> absolutely. it's a longer-term question and the best news for democrats on that front is, look, in 2010, which is the legislatures that were seated is a result of the 2010 election. it was an off-year election and a mid--term election with a democratic president. this is the way that the elections have evolved. the next time that's going to happen, 2020, not a mid-term year. they have maybe more of an opportunity in 2020 than in 2010. >> and maybe by starting it in 2016 they'll get their training wheels on. >> exactly. >> lots more to come, stay with us. whetr i's connecti o of the world's most innovative campuses. businees count on commication, and

this is when bill clinton gave the nominated speech for michael dukakis and after going on and on finally said -- >> in closing -- >> well, the next day clinton went around to each of the various networks to do a kind of apology tour, to say, well, maybe i talked too much, but -- kind of to save his budding political career and she came along with him. >> you've interviewed both candidates on fox news sunday and given them both tough questions before. are you a little thin skinned? >> no. only when somebody said bad things that are false. >> he directly contradicted what you said and he also said in that hearing you were extremely careless and negligent. >> well i looked at the whole transcript of everything that was said and what i believe is, number one, i made a mistake. >> in an interview it is you and the candidate and you are the personal holding them to an account. this is a debate. and they are both going to be on the stage, i think there is a need to intervene, i will, but i would prefer not to. you are there as a time keeper but you are not a participate and you are there to mak