basil smikle, michael steele thank. you >> more people voted for trump in 2016. were at the kitchen table. >> you're right, i hate saying that to you, michael. good to see you. coming up, he bravely and most importantly safely pulled off the miracle on the hudson. when my favorite american heroes, tonight captain sully sullenberger is here to discuss airline safety, when the 11th hour continues. >> turn up the volume for this one. it is serious. airlines are feeling the heat this weekend after another wild outburst on board a flight. this time two passengers are fighting each other until they were both removed from the plane. it is the latest in the series of scary incidents in the sky. nbc's tom south castell always been digging in. >> do you know from a southwest airlines flight appears to show a man shout out and then hit another passenger. >> stop or a. now >> in a statement southwest tells nbc news, in part, our flight crews are well trained in de-escalation, and we command them for a managing the situation. >> i will kill every man on this plane. >> just 24

i'm joined now by michael steele, former chairman of the rnc. he bulwark and host of beg to differ podcast. michael, first, just your reaction to what we've seen in the last 24 hours from donald trump's sort of posting about, you know, his imminent, possible arrest or indictment to the reactions of others in the field to congressional republicans. what do you make of it? >> so, chris, you know me, i'm gonna take a step back into the weekend. and i think donald trump basically paid everybody for the suckers he thinks they are. he floats this thing now with no corroborating evidence, certainly no indication from the da's office that this tuesday would be the day that they would come after him, if you will. despite the fact that the grand jury had not done an indictment, there was still at least one witness that they want to talk to. and yet, everybody did the thing donald trump knew they would do, freak out. and the press went, oh my god, this is a story, let's lock it down. and the gop fell into form, as we knew they would. they went into, immedia

let's bring in ali vitali, michael steele and frank figliuzzi are here. i have to give it, as a talented navigator, however you want to say it, they are convicted of seditious conspiracy. you could describe them as seditious conspirators, couldn't you? i guess this is my problem, michael steele, can't even throw a parade for anyone who tells the truth, because even the truth comes out so excruciatingly muddled for most of them. >> yeah, it's the parsing. it is so -- it is so, you know, sickening in moments like this. because that's not what the country wants to hear. i don't need you to parse the politics. and how you feel in the moment. i want you just be honest. call the spade what it is, right? that's the card that's been played. the january 6 card has been played. and so, now, this talk about what's on the table. what's on the table is we don't have this conversation, senators, all of you, with, you know, ali and other intrepid journalists in your face asking the question what tucker played last night, if the speaker of the house doesn't give it to hi

let's talk about it with michael steele, former chairman of the rnc. michael, good to see you. poll suggest what frankly you and i have been talking about for a while, that trump may be a little more resilient than a lot of his rivals had hoped? >> chris, you covered this guy. you know him inside out. you understand what everybody should pay attention to, and apparently have stopped paying attention to is the fact that trump has his own lane. he has his own lane, and the challenge for whether it's te desantis or anyone else is how do you access that lane, and then once you do, how do you take him out? how do you knock him out of that lane? trump is more than resilient. he's infected the body politic, and what do you have to do? you have to find the right resolution, the right antidote, the right type of penicillin if you want to recover. everyone just needs to slow their roll and understand the dynamics here. the money people, yeah, they're going to follow trump, but guess what happens when the base locks trump in? they'll come back to trump. they'll leave desantis. why? becaus

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michael steele, we can't lose track of the today story, right? the today threat is that today, because kevin mccarthy kept a promise to tucker carlson who loathes him, today, today tucker carlson's producers are pouring through the footage of this day, which might be one of the most photographed and longest crime scenes ever to be broadcast on television anywhere. you can find an example, either longer or more photographed. but today the members of congress who help plan the coup, the 19 in the roosevelt room, all of them according to testimony, again, under oath, sought pardons, today, they're power brokers, they were even by mccarthy's own telling nuts and fringy, he said they needed to be dealt with, they might pose a threat to do other members of the body. they now sort of hold the leash that permits kevin mccarthy to conduct his business with the title of speaker, but not rally the power of the speaker. so, today, today the people in that chamber who helped plan this crime are the power brokers in the house of representatives. >> and they ar

. >> good evening from washington, i'm michael steele in for chris hayes. that so-called law and order republican party is once again siding with lawless insurrectionists mob. today, republican speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy, met with the mother of ashley babbitt, the january six insurrectionists who was killed by capitol police after she tried to break through a doorway leading to the house chamber. and it was clear that mccarthy didn't want to talk about it. >> mister speaker, why are you -- ashley babbitt? what do you plan to talk to her? [inaudible] >> she just asked for a meeting. is that all it takes? because i'm sure there are a lot of mothers of young black men killed by police out there who would love to sit down with the speaker of the house and talk about police reform. so, why don't y'all just call the speaker up and ask for a meeting? or is mccarthy only interested in throwing red meat to the part of his base that's sympathetic to the mob? or trying to make amends with them, after he said babbitt's shooting was justified just a few weeks

michael steele from maryland, who i love, and michael beschloss of. as a history major at georgetown university, you are the gold standard of historians. so thank you so much for all that you do. >> thank, you you too. >> i think right now, i think when you look at trump in all of the other individuals that are desantis, and the others. it's basically a little bit of the same. right? and so we're not trying to focus on that we're trying to focus on enjoying what we have, that we have american people recognizing what we as democrats have done. and what biden has done. as he said in the state of the union, there is a job that he's been doing, and we have to get the job done. and so mobilizing americans, to recognize that it is our policies that are most interested, mo supportive of them. we are putting people over politics. each and every day in the policies that we're putting forward. while republicans are basically a circus, that's what i can say on early morning television. a circus for everyone to see. >> so michael, that circus has you know, a ring

she also ran for senate in kentucky against minorit leader mitch mcconnell and michael steele, formern of the republican national committee and forme lieutenant governor of maryland michael, we all know an assaul weapons ban is not getting through congress what do you make of th presidents move? >> right look, the presidents - figures, he says, hey, we ca take a little page out of th trump playbook and do th executive order thing an listen to the pigs in the yard squeal about it. and that is what is going to happen it will be a lot of noise about, he can't do this and it's violation of the constitution, all of that. but the president is trying to send a message that, on this issue, because the congres won't act, he will and it's within his executiv prerogative to make that decision now presumably his lawyers hav crossed every t and dotted every i to make sure flows wit the appropriate muster, as the say. but the reality of it is, he sending a signal that this issue is not going to be one - again, it's 110 mass shootings and we are just beginning marc -- almost in the middle of march,

weaver back with michael steele.r thoughts, sir >> well, that was a very compelling narrative around how we got from there to here. i think i could sum it up this way in two points. one is a point, the other is a question the point is, tucker has become the shtick in so many ways on pretty much every level. the question is, when you look at that early narrative that tucker was putting out there -- very accurate narrative about telling the truth, being reputable news sources, source of news, and so forth, what hap happened how did he become the shtick how did he go from making the point at cpac about "the new york times," right you know what was happening in that moment. people were reacting to "the new york times". they didn't hear what he said. they heard "new york times" and wanted to boo, pavlovian response and missing the point he was making. but from that movement going forward and even before, what happened what happened in my estimation is that it became seeking two things -- power and money, and they coalesce

michael steele is here i mentioned earlier about our commercial break we had a longer one.do have a shorter one on this fast breaking news. this one is 60 seconds then we get michael. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open. (woman 1) i just switched to verizon business unlimited. it's just right for my little business. and enterprise control, unlimited premium data. unlimited hotspot data. (woman 2) you know it's from the most reliable 5g network in america? (vo) when it comes to your business, not all bars are created equal. so switch to verizon business unlimited today. >>> maybe he will do another show the celebrity apprehentice we know for the first time, melania is smiling at mar-a-lago >> with the indictment leading to punch lines, we are joined by michael steele welcome back >> good to be with you >> good to have you. i mentioned the history, which is striking. a, there are cases where prosecutorial discretion and misconduct was found i don't rule anything out. what i sai

michael steele, former chair of the rnc, both are msnbc political analysts. key question, ali, do republicans really want to move away from trump? there is arguably evidence to the contrary in their comments. what are you hearing and seeing in orlando? >> reporter: depends who you ask, chris. especially when my colleague scott long and i had that conversation with chairman mccall, one member who is really focused on serious and sober investigations as the chairman of his committee on foreign relations going into things like the afghanistan withdraw, he's focused there. you heard in the conversation, i asked him about the split screen about what republicans are trying to do with their majority in congress, versus what is happening out on the campaign trail and now potentially in the manhattan's d.a.'s office. the reality here on the ground and we watched this play out over the course of the last few days, nothing happens in a vacuum. it is all very much linked with everything that the republican house majority will have to contend with. while speaker mccarthy

joining me now, michael steele, robert gibbs. some recent polls compared to donald trump in a hypothetical matchup? taking a lot of criticism from republican senators about what he said about ukraine. >> both of those in combination are why you are seeing the backstrokes by desantis right now, trying to regain his footing certainly on the foreign policy front, showing that maybe he wasn't as ready for primtime as his advisors led him to believe. they miscalculated how republican senators would respond. they condemned his reremarks. that took steam out of it coupled by the side basidebars trump. we have seen the shift in polling from 33% to 27% now supporting him. trump's number growing to 41% among voting republicans. he has to figure out the footing. the problem is, donald trump owns the lane. he, nikki haley and others, are riding on the side of the road. they are riding in the emergency lane. they have to figure out how they veer into the lane to overcome the clear momentum that trump is building for himself. keep in mind real

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also joining us is michael steele former rnc chairman and an msnbc political analyst what kind of reactionembers >> it's really fallen along party lines as you might expect, jose first, democrats applauding the efforts of the manhattan district attorney asking for the process to play itself out and then pointing out that in their minds this is an indication that no one is above the law, including a former president of the united states. and it's, of course, the exact opposite reaction from republicans, particularly house republicans that were quick to rally around the former president, attack alvin bragg as engaging in a political prosecution, and then even taking it a step further saying that house republicans in particular will find a way to hold him accountable this is what the house speaker, kevin mccarthy said yesterday. he said the american people will not tolerate this injustice and the house of representatives will hold alvin bragg and his unprecedented abuse of power to account, and of course we already know, jose, that three different house committees, the administration committe

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i'm right up there with michael steele. former chairman of the republican national committee not allowed to any, any events that they hold. they don't consider him a republican. a feel the trump republican party should change its name. there was a movement they had a couple years ago to change the name with the symbol of the lion as the trump party. and that would give the non-trump republican as home. it would at least give them a place they could self-identify. i am a gun owner, i'm a responsible gun owner. many people who are out there now in this branch of the party, the dominant branch of the party, the trump party, they really like to brandish a concept of using their weapons. and i represent several times in my book there was one gentleman who said, when can we start using our guns? they don't keep them as avatars any more. it's almost as if they want to create trouble. and i also say this to my african american brothers and sisters, the one saving grace we have in this country that keeps that from happening is that

michael steele, as you know, i say it all the time, i'm a simple country lawyer.now this is not good news. >> no. >> the fact you have a federal judge saying it's likely a crime was committed, and we're going to make you turn over attorney-client documents, talk about the impact of that. >> i mean, it's significant. it is a very strong ruling, and for folks just to understand how sacrosanct the attorney-client privilege is, i mean, the least, little thing can really put that delicate balance in peril. so when the judge looks at this case and looks at this particular aspect of the case, what she saw here is the fact that there is indications that donald trump put his lawyer in jeopardy, potentially by lying to his lawyer about certain facts. because of that, you now have this exception coming into play. it generally goes into, you know, behaviors of the lawyer, behaviors of the client, and how that affects that whole idea of attorney-client privilege. and doing things that break that privilege. in this case, there was clearly evidence there that donald trump probab

with me now is msnbc political analyst, michael steele. thanks for being with us.got senate republicans saying this is -- a lot of house republicans sharing this on kevin mccarthy, not feeling bad about it, according to shake sherman. what does it mean for the future of the republican party? do we see a future that is more of the senate side of things where they are willing to call something bs? or is it going to be a future where the republican party looks more like the house? >> i think the party in the main looks more like the house. i think you'll have moments where the senate republicans will come to the mic and say a discordant word or two that's in opposition to what you're hearing coming out of the house. but you're not going to have this unified front on matters of importance, things that matter like this. mccarthy doubles down, triples down on his decision saying, yeah, i gave it to everyone. well, no, you didn't. you didn't give it to everyone. you gave it to one person and one network that's now got a whole week to do the thing that we all know he's goi

michael steele, you can't say the republican party. this is a segment of the republican party.ut of police officers. how many police officers were savagely attacked on this day? the injuries lined up. what an insult. but, again, i almost hate to bring politics up because this is such a serious breach by kevin mccarthy to release security footage. it's outrageous and it's dangerous, and it -- all this encourages the next attack. politically for one second, americans aren't going to back a faction of a party that supports violence against police officers. americans aren't going to support a faction of a party that support riots on january the 6th and the overturning of a peaceful presidential election. for kevin mccarthy to think anything less, it's outrageous. michael, what is the fallout of this eventually? >> i would disagree with you, joe. americans have backed an insurrectionists party. they re-elected them to power in november. this is what -- you know, i was certainly among many about going into the 2022 election cycle. if kevin mccarthy is not speaker of the house, he's n

i'm michael steele in for chris hayes. so donald trump was not arrested today and while an indictment by the manhattan da looms, it's still out there, the ex president announced that he would be taken into custody today. that hasn't happened. but we really shouldn't be surprised now should we? this is what trump does. he pumps everybody and he gets them all fired up and the juices flowing, right? just to get them going, and all they have to do is just take a step back for a second. and if they did, and ask themselves, wait a minute, time out, that's not right. it's a well worn play in the trump playbook. just ask michael cohen. >> it's a typical donald j trump play out of the playbook. figure out how you're going to muddy the water as best as you possibly can, denigrate the person, disparage them, you do the same thing to cassidy hutchison, to anyone and everyone that is for the truth. muddying the waters might be the thing that donald trump does best. >> he didn't back doing during his presidency when he and then attorney

. >> jake sherman, thank you very much joining me now is former rnc chairman michael steel michael, it'snt to draw a line and say while we're seeing this backlash from gop senators, it's not necessarily an unpopular position within the republican house and not an unpopular position among republican voters. >> no, it's not. it's going to be required of the senate leadership primarily, certainly when mitch mcconnell returns to the senate, to press the case i think jake's last point is important. kevin mccarthy at some point has to lean in to going to ukraine because you can't sit back and scream about wasting u.s. dollars if you've been extended an invitation to come to the place where those dollars are being spent to see how they're being spent and what they're being spent on the reason he doesn't want to necessarily do that is because it then becomes harder to make the case against additional spending because you see not only how tragic it is, but how much more important it is for the u.s. to continue to lead in supporting ukraine in this battle against putin he doesn't want to do that f

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. >> good evening from washington, i'm michael steele in for chris hayes.der republican party is once again siding with lawless insurrectionists mob. today, republican speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy, met with the mother of ashley babbitt, the january six insurrectionists who was killed by capitol police after she tried to break through a doorway leading to the house chamber. and it was clear that mccarthy didn't want to talk about it. >> mister speaker, why are you -- ashley babbitt? what do you plan to talk to her? [inaudible] >> she just asked for a meeting. is that all it takes? because i'm sure there are a

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i'm michael steele filling in this morning for my friend ali velshi. well, a party is over. cpac, the annual gathering for concerned -- is officially wrapped up for the year. this year was more a mother conference for donald trump and his allies. many key republican figures and possible 2024 presidential contenders didn't even bother to show up. we have more from cnn. >> the scene at cpac last night made it very clear despite nikki haley already jumping into the presidential race and others in the party considering challenges, it will be no easy feat to crack many conservative activists support. >> last night, donald trump grabbed the harness of the maga base. >> i'm thrilled to be back at cpac. >> all type of activists he's relying on to catapult him back into the white house. >> we're going to see this battle through to ultimate victory. we are going to make america great again. >> at cpac, the annual conservative gatherings, a wild scene of republican enthusiasts and a crowd overwhelmingly supportive of trump's 2024 bid. >> donald trump. >> i'm a maga guy through and thro

i'm michael steele, filling in today for my friend, ali velshi. tonight, former president donald trump will take the stage to give the keynote speech to close out the final day of cpac, an annual gathering of conservatives from around the country. it usually draws a broad range of republicans making it obvious top four presidential hopefuls every few years. nikki haley, for example, who announced her bid last month, spoke of the converse yesterday. so did mike pompeo. they were really the only notable presidential hopefuls who showed up around this time. so, cpac is usually dominated this year by trump loyalists like representative jim jordan, marjorie taylor greene, and matt gaetz. keri lake for, example, a prominent election denier who lost the governor's race in arizona last year, was also a guest speaker. so or steve bannon and pillow salesman mike lindell. key republican leaders like house speaker kevin mccarthy, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, and our and see chairwoman, rhonda mcdaniel, did not take part in cpac this week. meanwhile

particularly with russia, could be somewhat problematic in a general election >> i am just wondering, michael steele not necessarily top of mind for support to this level. who are those people >> inside the republican party >> yeah. >> i think they are largely the maga crew. i think individuals like mitt romney and mitch mcconnell, the leadership of the party have been very clear about supporting ukraine, and very welcoming of opportunities, and, in fact, have egged and pushed the administration to do more to get the necessary weapons on the ground to support the effort there, to pushback against russian aggression because everybody knows you capitulate on this, to think that putin is going to stop at crimea, stop at ukraine is just stupid it's inconsistent with his own history. i think in terms of republicans, you are going to see this tension, josÉ, within the party around this issue among others that will clearly, i think, delineate, how this party positions itself against a president biden should he get in the race, and likely he will, and his foreign policy with respect to russia and ukraine. >

joining us now, "washington post" deputy national editor, phil, who heard those comments as i did michael steele, former white house press secretary to president obama, robert gibbs. i don't know if you guys were there, too, but phil and i were commenting immediately afterwards it was startling to hear a dinner where usually the speakers are just joking about themselves and they'll say a few words about how important the freedom of the press is, but this was a deliberate turn phil >> yeah, that's right, andrea. it felt quite news worthy. we've not heard pence reputeuate his former boss as he did saturday night saying history will told trump accountable for his actions on the 6th and taken together, i think pence's comments indicated he is very much preparing to run for president and preparing to challenge his former boss. you heard in that speech that pence is trying to position himself as sort of an adult figure as a more honorable conservative republican than trump is by talking so directly about january 6th and really speaking the truth about what happened that day but you know, we should poi

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i'm michael steele in for chris hayes and there's a lot to get to tonight. including some really big developments in the many criminal investigations into donald trump, but i need to start with a question for today's republican party. what the hell is wrong with you? today's house maga republicans took an official party leadership sanctions field trip to visit the january six insurrectionists who they call political prisoners. >> this is just one step and exposing what's going on, making sure that we have the right information and really listening to our constituents. we hear about the jails regularly when we go back home and the american people are very concerned about some of the folks who are here. so we're listening to them and hear on their behalf. >> congresswoman, i hate to break it to you, but you don't have the right information. if you think the american people want you to waste your energy on the violent insurrectionists mob. in fact, congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene, you know her? the ringleader of today's circus? she heard that message loud

we are joined by michael steele. i want to ask you about this.r another of attendees say how much they love donald trump. why do they maintain faith in a person who lost the house and the senate and then his own re-election, to say nothing of january 6 and the like? what is the basis for that? hasn't it been proven the guy cannot win for their party? >> it's just not about winning. absolutely, for the party regulars and the establishment, that's the end game. but for these guys, donald trump represents something more. he represents the permission to say and do and behave the way they have, to push back against the culture, to push back against the democrats and the liberals in the country, to push back against this idea of what america is evolving into versus what they fantasize it being or thinking it is. it's not just about the politics of the winning. that's the electoral process. that's the tool that's used to achieve that -- those types of goals. it's more than that. this is -- we are in the midst -- the beginning at least, of a culture war.

i'm right up there with michael steele. former chairman of the republican national committee not allowed to any, any events that they hold. they don't consider him a republican. a feel the trump republican party should change its name. there was a movement they had a couple years ago to change the name with the symbol of the lion as the trump party. and that would give the non-trump republican as home. it would at least give them a place they could self-identify. i am a gun owner, i'm a responsible gun owner. many people who are out there now in this branch of the party, the dominant branch of the party, the trump party, they really like to brandish a concept of using their weapons. and i represent several times in my book there was one gentleman who said, when can we start using our guns? they don't keep them as avatars any more. it's almost as if they want to create trouble. and i also say this to my african american brothers and sisters, the one saving grace we have in this country that keeps that from happening is that

alix steel has pointed this out, michael tron saying wti retracing to the mid-$60 per barrel level isr models peg as fair for a meaningful 2008 like recession. headlines of the past week draw eerie parallels to the early days of the great financial crisis, but the latest market retracement feels overdone. cheery words to wrap up on a friday. let's look at what this says for the rest of the quality markets. john rub -- john webb and smith joins us, the ceo of genco. -- web and smith -- john joins us, the ceo of genco. we are getting huge swings in financing and asset markets. how does this translate into what you are seeing right now. the market is a little spooked. what about the shipping industry? john: the shipping industry is healthy. what we have seen over the last two weeks, even though equities have gone down, vessel values and freight rates have gone up. it is on the back of china reopening after the covid meltdowns as well as the beginning of the stimulus programs put in place. alix: do you see any recessionary signals? john: we are not seeing -- if you look at our major commo

know, agreed to administrative settlement based on what was going on with the steel dossier, one of star witnesses michaelions and letters from his former attorney saying, it was not a payment, you have you know stormy daniels say i s -- say it was not really a payment, you have uncredible witnesses, you would think before you do something like that, it will tear the country apart, you have a solid case, everything that we've seen the case is justin credibly weak, doubling sad and concerning, only logical explanation from my perspective is that d.a. bragg thinks that my case is not weak, i will count on a net new york political judge to give every ruling in my favor and new york jury to walk into the room you know, and think why do i need a trial, i'm ready to convict trump, now, regardless of what you think of trump this is a sad day spark -- it alarming. >> jolts, putting 2024 race into unchartered waters, former president trump indicating he will run again, what happens if they arrest former president trump? >> i don't know. we don't know how that would work. he is entitlemented to 24/7 secret service

but michael cohen is far from solid evidence. lie, cheat, steelshoot somebody, it takes i'm not going to jail, but he went to jail and he's on the revenge trail. maria: joining us now, guy lewis. what's your reaction to the latest development with robert costello? >> good morning, maria. boy, it tells me that what i've always said, prosecution and politics simply do not mix. clearly, costello's come forward as a result of the trump lawyers offering this testimony. they apparently gave the ex president a chance to come forward and testify before the grand jury and of course, like anyone would do, declined it because the process in my view just is so, so unfair. maria: well, i think this is a great point that you make. politics and policy and prosecution do not mix, unfortunately. politics is running through every agency. this hatred for trump is driving decisions. where does this go now? >> so if we take a step back, this is a case that originated -- if you believe stormy dan daniels, it occurred in '06. the allegations started to aarise in '16. th

in all these witnesses that once close to the campaign witnesses that were like michael cohen, who were involved in the steel and witnesses, including donald trump's longtime friend, david pecker, who was involved in these catch and kill deals. he went before the grand jury twice . we saw him here on monday, he seemed to be the grand final witness at the grand jury heard from he was at the beginning of these deals. he was the one that was contacted. by stormy daniels agent he got in touch with michael cohen setting into this chain of events that led to the hush money payments being made well, and we're getting reaction directly from trump himself. christian homes. you've got a statement. i know you want to read it to our viewers, and you have to bear with me. this is a very long statement, and we are going to read it. so here here we go, and we just got this in it says is from donald trump, former president, it says this is political persecution and election interference at the highest level in history. from the time i came down the golden escalator at trump tower, and even before i was sworn in as president

and michael cohen, of course, then eventually did finalize the steel and issued the and make the facility the hush money payments so he really is a witness that can come in and in front of reset the table after costello was in and say, remember, this is how this started and explain to the jury why this came about and i'm i'm sure the urgency of this i mean , about two weeks before the election, the deal was still not done, and pecker reached out to cohen. over a secured and encrypted app and had said to him, they need to get this deal done or quote it could look awfully bad for everyone. so remember david pecker received immunity for his testimony in this case and also in the federal case that led to charges against michael cohen. so he certainly is a witness that can kind of bring them inside the room and set the table for what the urgency was right before the election. alright. paris canal paula reid. thank you both. we'll ever since donald trump posted on social media about what he insisted was a pending indictment. his lawyer has been all over television and those many appearances, jo

did not steel, shoot someone i will never spend a day in jail >> costelo says michael cohen admits he had nothing on trump and do when it takes to get himself and prevent himself from going to jail. not only did costelo destroy their star witness. cohen contradicted the state's case with this statement from 2018 from his lawyer in 2016 i used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of 130 thousand dollars to mrs. clifford, stormy daniels. neither trump organization nor campaign was a party to the transaction. payment to her was lawful. not a campaign contribution or a campaign ecpend tour by anyone. cohen turn echoed that to the fec in a private transaction in 2016 mr. cohen used his owen funds to facilitate 130 thousand dollars to stefani clifford neither the trump organization or the come pain was a party with the transaction with mrs. cliff ford. according to other outleting stormy denied the affair multiple times and writing on january 30 of 2018, quote, i am not denying this affair because i was paid hush money i'm debuzz it never happened and her signature >> i will get th