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joining me now is michelle goldberg, the new york times opinion columnist.k you. >> this is the new playbook. i mean, just trying to decouple abortion care from healthcare, and you see what the results are, here. when you sort of untethered abortion care from just the basic survival of a patient. >> right. and i think the one thing that has happened is these laws have such narrow exceptions and the exceptions don't end up meaning anything in practice, because when you are in a chaotic environment of an emergency room, you know, when can the doctor say, you know, someone's life, as opposed to their health, is at stake. right? that is a very fine line. and texas changed the law to allow for emergency abortions, in cases of premature rupture of membranes, that is when your water breaks early. but, it is not that you can't be investigated and prosecuted, so it is called what is an affirmative defense. so, that means if you are taken to court and charged with this felony, you can use this fact in your defense. so, this is like, who wants -- you know, very few peo

joining me now, michelle goldberg. this is the new play book.health care. and you see what the results are here when you sort of untether abortion care from just the basic survival of a patient. >> and the one thing that has happened is these laws have such narrow exceptions and the exceptions don't mean anything in practice. because when you are in a chaotic environment of an emergency room, when can the doctor say you know, someone's life as opposed to their health is at stake? that is a fine line. and texas changed the law to allow for emergency abortions in case your water breaks early. but it is not that you can't be investigated an prosecuted. it is called and affirmative defense. if you are taken to court and charged with this felony, you can use this fact in your defense. so this is like who wants, very few people are willing to risk that kind of persecution and risk seeing their life and career go up in smoke and even if doctors want to do the right thing, there is no question in this case. >> but when you have the threat hanging over y

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. >>> turn now to michelle goldberg the opinion columnist at the "new york times." michelle, thank you for being here. you had firsthand field experience covering the rfk jr. campaign for president. i want to remind everybody of this very -- useful assessment you made of those who supported rfk and indeed what his candidacy was about. what brought all the supporters together was a peculiar combination of cynicism and incredulity. that lies to them about almost everything that matters. and they believe that with the kennedy campaign, we might be on the cusp of redemption. how complicating is it for our democracy to have someone like robert f. kennedy installed at a health agency with so much influence to have someone who has spread misinformation and disinformation, actually now in the government itself? >> i mean from foundly both in terms of sort of actual health outcomes but also in terms of this broader destabilization of any common, you know, common sense of what reality is. and i think that the credulity part is in some ways as important as the cynicism right? d

michelle goldberg, through the dark news. appreciate you. >> thank so much. >> that is our show. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening. i wanted to get one of the first words talking about tariffs with chris hayes. loved that. it's impossible, it will destroy the economy and mass deportations will destroy the economy, so he won't do it. he'll say just me threatening the tariffs is enough and now canada and mexico are behaving. >> that's his out. >> only thing i can imagine that's the best outcome. >> he's going to be given the greatest economy and then ruin and and ruin wall street? we'll see. >> next time you like the conversation, come through the glass doors, you're welcome. this is your place, too. >> like the old days, used to begin this show with you and chris, thinking i should run down. >> we'll visit you anytime. >> on the set, there was no extra chair. would have been awkward. >> from now on just in case. if you get the feeling, it's here for you. >> okay. thanks. >> have a great show. >> thank you. this morning's "new york times," t

. >>> now we turn to michelle goldberg, the opinion columnist at the new york times. you covered the rfk campaign for president, and i want to remind everyone of a useful assessment you made of those that support rfk. what brought all the supporters together was a particular combination of cynicism and credit credulity. they believe they're living under a sinister regime that lies to them about everything that matters, and believe with the kennedy campaign we might be on the cusp of redemption. how complicating is it for our democracy to have someone like robert f. kennedy installed at a health agency, someone that's spread so much misinformation and disinformation actually in the government itself. >> profoundly in terms of actual health outcomes, but also in terms of the broader destabilization of any common, you know, common sense of what reality is. and i think that the, the credulity part is in some ways as important as the cynicism because they say don't believe what the government is telling you about the efficacy of vaccines, or kennedy has raised questions ab

. >>> i want to turn to michelle goldberg, the opinion columnist at the new york times. you have a first-time field experience covering the rfk jr. campaign experience. i want to remind someone of this -- everyone of this very useful -- what brought all supported together was a peculiar combination of cynicism and credulity. the people i encounter to believe they are living under a deeply sinister regime that lies to them about almost everything that matters. and they believe that with the kennedy campaign, we might be on the cusp of redemption. how complicating is it for our democracy to have someone like robert f kennedy installed at a health agency with so much influence, to have someone who is spreading misinformation and disinformation actually now in the government itself? >> profoundly. both in terms of actual health outcomes, but also in terms of this broader, destabilization of any, in the sense of what reality is. i think the credulity part is in some ways as important as the cynicism. -- to say don't believe anything the government is saying about the efficacy

sentencing of the president elect, and after a massive response from american women in 2016, michelle goldberg and heather mcgee on what to expect after a second trump victory. all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes and we are already heading into uncharted territories, yes, we know donald trump, we have had him around for nine years, four years of him in office, a lot of things aren't new but, and i say this from a place of experience, there's some different stuff this time and one of the ways it is genuinely different is that he has a coterie of oligarchs, including the richest men in the world, and are apparently going to be running america. this is a model that is familiar across the world, protected by strong men in hungary and turkey and of course vladimir putin in russia. all of these rulers have their corporate industrial titans who do the work of the regime in ways large and small, in return for their access in special privilege. including squeezing the state converse to line their own pockets, as the atlantic puts it, the regime does the bidding of th

michelle goldberg is an opinion columnist with the new york times and they join me now. brendan, you know your way around a republican caucus. you know that it's got some internal factions. there's some personalities. there can be some beef. i get the bull cases that with trump as the leader, everyone falls into line. you don't have anything like what you had last time around. >> that's an optimistic case and i think there are some things that they really want to do that donald trump will probably sort of forced them to get there. i'm thinking about tax reform. does the tax law expire, and you kind of have to do something, and i think just out of political necessity, they'll figure out how to do that. but there are things that kind of have to do, as well, that they may not want to do, like funding government, mike johnson is about to do a short term spending bill into march and at that point they're going to have to do something and they are probably going to ask for a bunch of money for immigration stuff, that if past is prologue, they will have no chance of being able

, i think that is absolutely correct, that, you know, there's -- one of my other colleagues, michelle goldberghas this great statement that she said, movements need to be seeking converts more than hunting for heretics. and if you are hunting for heretics, you are shrinking your tent. if you are seeking converts, you're expanding your tent, and by the way, seeking converts means having a more open heart. it means having a more tolerant approach to people. when you're hunting heretics, you're closed, furious, you're angry, off putting to people, in particular, when you're asking people to swallow their concerns about the direction of the country and vote for you anyway because the other guy is the greater threat. so i do think absolutely you cannot be a movement that's hunting heretics, you have to be a movement seeking converts. >> i'm not as eloquent as all of you. thank you very much, david french, i appreciate it. >> thank you, katy. >>> coming up, who will donald trump be able to get confirmed in the senate? it very much depends on how big the gop majority will be. we're going to have a lo

goldberg restored a dream that began in 1987. >> i couldn't believe that there was this incredible project that i'd never heard of. >> reporter: the product showcasing a ferris wheel with jean michel'sges and a mirrored dome by salvador dali and it was stored in a texas warehouse for 36 years with investors like superstar rapper drake, goldberg acquired the contents sight unseen. >> what was going through you in terms of what you might find? >> i was beyond anxious. eventually it was a pile of dust. >> reporter: it turns out most of it was still press teen including herring's carousel. >> everything held up and it looked like he painted it days ago. >> reporter: today moef of the art work is so valuable it's hands off, but this new edition by efrain and pablo is all hands on. ♪♪ ♪ >> reporter: it's a gift that just keeps on going. >> reporter: luna luna, now coming full circle for a new generation to enjoy. rehema ellis, nbc news, new york. >>> looks like fine. that's "nightly news" for this tuesday. thank you for watching. i'm lester holt, please take care of yourself and each other. good night. ♪♪ ♪♪