michelle obama is popular, generally, if she were to get into a political race that would end for her is good. i think that gavin newsom is clear, about what his goals are, he doesn't have much patience to wait. kennedy: whenever someone uses the royal we to describe their political ambitions, you know they are running for president, we have note been to iowa yet, we wean we have no interest in running for president. that mines, he is running. if you had to pick, richard between gavin newsom and michelle own obama. >> i think that is a false choice, michelle obama would never put her name on the ballot. >> never say never. >> gavin newsom, i think if luke at new democratic party, primary map, he will have travel as well. with south carolina and georgia first, i think that gavin newsom will have trouble there. if he runs. which is unlikely. >> he is totaly winning, joe biden can't do it shane, you are a young v viral man, joe biden wishes he had one 10th of yo your vigor will they elbow him out of the way. >> i hope so, i would love to see anyone in there you go joe biden, i thought jo

now this, a new op-ed from the hill reads this, michelle obama would be the democrats best chance to 2024. interesting. martha mccallum is with us this morning, it seems to me, martha, this proves the democrats don't have much bench strikes. >> it feels a bit like grasping at straws especially since michelle obama has said time and time again she's not interested in running for office. in many ways she complained about living, being in the white house when she was there looking forward to it being over and they could go back to their private life so it tells you what, how do you feel if you read this editorial if you are the current vice president, kamala harris or people seem to clamber -- this editorial not only for her to run but if that doesn't work out and she doesn't want to do that to president biden, maybe the vp call a difficult combination to imagine joe biden as michelle obama given the history between these two but obviously she's a very charismatic figure, she's highly popular in the democrat party if she were interested in it, it's easy to imagine a scenario where she w

michelle obama doesn't want it. the problem is joe biden. to real clear politics average he has 38% in a democrat primary right now. that is pathetic. when 2/3 of the american people think we are going on the wrong track as a country you have a problem. the problem for the democrats is they are stuck with joe biden because i've seen a deeper bench on the bad news bears. >> julie: the president has yet to announce he is going to run again. but all signs are pointing to that he does plan on doing so. does he have it in him another four years, leslie, in all seriousness. some have said getting up airplane stairs will be a hurdle. leading the country for another four years is a much bigger hurdle. >> i sometimes have trouble with those airplane stairs and i'm younger than joe biden. look, we all age differently. you guys all know i'm married to addition years ago when he started his practice i helped out in the office and i have met 91-year-olds that play tennis and ski and jump out of airplanes and travel around the world and others who are in

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michelle obama was crying for half an hour. for us that she had that experience and then that she felt able to share that. it felt like a really profound and strong moment. >> that's very interesting. because it took her awhile to share. that it's been a few years. she's written two books. now she has this podcast. she sharing it. there was a time in 2015 -- she went on some late night show, i don't know if it was jimmy kimmel or jimmy fallon. but she joked about it. what was i thinking that day? i said, by felicia. and she just gave a quid. this seems like the more, possibly, authentic line. >> it's been a few years, right? i think some of that might be the wisdom that comes from age. but some of it is that she does not have to show that certain face anymore? she's not just the recently ex first lady. time has passed. and i feel like there's a space for her to be even more herself. >> okay, everybody, stick around, if you would. there are plenty of words that have been put on the don't say list lately. is that list getting too

camelot, democrats are nostalgic for the charisma they received emanating from obama and his family, so chris, like michelleld never be anyone's number two, i don't even think she was obama's number two, or three. but is this just a fantasy? this whole michelle obama, that's like oprah, are they going to give up their life of fun and leisure in multiple homes for going back to the white house? i just don't see it. >> we know michelle obama does not think too highly of kamala. remember at the dnc, she would not be bothered to re-record her video now that she had been chosen. to reflect that, sitting on her vacation in martha's vineyard, did not care. there's not a lot of affection it seems for joe biden or his team amongst the obama's, and i cannot imagine her bailing her out. in the same thing for oprah winfrey, who pulls a lot of the strengths of the democratic party. i can imagine her being second to joe biden either. it so i think you are exactly right. they have limited their options right now to someone just based on identity politics as opposed to what the american people actually want with the electo

"you have too many candy bars, alerting michelle obama."ture here is that ai is going to do so many things so well that at some point, it's going to put a huge amount of people out of work. so what do we do? i have two ideas. one: implement universal basic income. [cheers and applause] there you go. or two -- and hear me out here, we let the machines eat all the surplus people. no? okay, yeah, less popular, i can tell. enough about machines killing people. let's move on to people killing people. got really dark, i know. it's been a year since russia illegally invaded ukraine. and now there's an international effort to hold russia accountable in court for war crimes. but you'll never guess who's standing in the way. >> the pentagon is blocking the biden administration from sharing evidence of russian war crimes committed in ukraine with the international criminal court. military leaders say helping the court with the investigation would set a precedent that could lead to prosecuting americans. >> kal: that's right. exhausting. the pentagon i

newt: ,michelle obama is one of the two most famous democrats, her thus other one an instant formidable candidate on the other hand imagination their financial report what it would look like i think fun for the country, to learn a lot more about the obamas finances i don't think she will run. maria: we will take a short break when we come back jay powell on the hill kicking off two-day testimony today in front of senate banking committee talking with thomas hoenig what he is expecting to hear from powell how it may move markets. stay with us. he is coming. ♪ ♪ take us out -- we can dance on it, slow summit, as far as i can tell ♪ ain't got to -- coming on ♪ ♪ research shows people remember ads with a catchy song. so to help you remember that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a little number you'll never forget. did you know that liberty mutual custo— ♪ liberty mutual. ♪ ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ ♪ custom home insurance created for you all. ♪ ♪ now the song is done ♪ ♪ back to living in your wall. ♪ they're just gonna live in ther

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obama and his family. so chris , like michelle, would never be anyone's number two . i don't even think she was obama's number two . number two , or three . but is this is this just a fantasy, this whole michelle obama thing? that's like oprah. i mean, are they ever going to give up their life of fun and leisure and multiple homes for going back to the white house? i just don't see it. >> we know michelle obama doesn't think too highly of common-law. remember, at the dnc, she wouldn't even be bothered to rerecord her video. now, the kamala had been chosen to reflect that. she did. sitting on our vacation in martha's didn't care. there's no there's not a real lot of affection. it seems, for joe biden or his team among the obamas. and i can't imagine her bailing out. and the same thing for party poobah and elder oprah winfrey, who pulls a lot of the strings in the democratic party. i can't imagine her being second to joe biden either. so i think you're exactly right. they limited their options right now to someone just based on identity politics as opposed to what the am

join us on our journey to a more sustainable future. >>> michelle obama is opening up more about her the light" podcast. mrs. obama says her family felt a sense of responsibility to represent the black community. take a listen. >> the mission during those eight years was bigger than just my voice. >> yeah. >> you know, we were the first. hopefully not the only, but we were the first. and when you're the first at stuff, especially the first in the biggest spotlight, the world watching you, you don't want to mess it up. you know? and you want to make sure that you are representing. i talk about this in the book. the challenges when you are the first or an only, you are carrying a tray of other people's expectations along with you on the journey. you know, one small misstep isn't just a misstep for you but it's a misstep for your family, for your community, for your race, for all of humanity because we don't often get a second chance. >> mrs. obama opening up in a way she hasn't before about her time in the white house, promoting her third book "the light we carry" which dives into how s

o'mara vignarajah, the president an ceo of lutheran refuge services, the former prosecuto for michelle obamaood to see both lindsey, when we talk abou family detention, paint picture for us about what that looks like >> well, family detention is just this horrific as the name would indicate we're talking about places where parents are stripped o all dignity, where we have children who are in diapers. these are persons that have to actually order high chairs and curbs to detain their smallest detainees. what we're really talking abou is an inhumane way that th biden administration believe that by instituting this, policy of cruelty against th most vulnerable among us, it will be a way to deter futur asylum seekers we know that there are academi studies that show just how lifelong the trauma is it's akin to the famil separations. people were outraged when th trump administration had children ripped from their parents arms at the border we should be just as outrage that this policy would b revived under the bide administration and har families and children in thi way. >> lindsey, let me stay wi

it is more than likely that they'll pull a rabbit out of the hat with michelle obama., you know the word is in new york that when she was here for her book launch last year, that she was meeting with donors to see just to sort of feel out the interests. she would be a lethal weapon. i am not sure if the republicans could combat that. >> i am not sure if i agree with it. i know that that's what a lot of folks are saying of, kellyanne conway, do you agree with that with michelle obama, i think she's living with her best life right now, does she want to get down to and dirty with politics, i do not buy that? >> i don't think so. we do have the vice president run and lost twice. i am happy that the clintons are welcoming pete buttigieg. i am not surprised and everything got to be studied and no empathy and accountability. hillary clinton knows how to lose elections so it is good for the rest of us if pete buttigieg is taking advice from her. democrats have a ton of names and no talent. the fact they are talking about governors of illinois in california if the rest of us wa

." >> all right, next, here we go, after trump's inauguration, michelle obama said she went straight," went out for drinks to george bush or cried for 30 minutes. one, two, three. >> along with the rest of us. >> it was "c," cried unco uncont uncontrollably for 30 minutes. >> i want it to be "a." >> okay, i like that a lot. next question, which country has ruled flipping the bird a god-given right. "a," canada, "b," the united states, or "c," france. one, two, three. no, no, you cannot -- choose one. choose one. >> what is my take? >> okay, "a." but joe says "c." believe it or not, it's "a," canada. >> eh! >> i would have thought it was the united states. new jersey is named the middle finger the state bird. next question. this week, it was revealed tucker carlson said this about donald trump. "a," i hate him passionately. "b," i love him passionately. or "c," he's terrible at golf. one, two, three. >> he said he hates donald trump. >> yeah, you all are right. if he said he's terrible at golf, trump would have been more insulted. gavin newsm said he could boycott in and out, walgreen

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i asked about barack and michelle obama, and a lot of other people. and that'll be straight-ahead, will have more of the interview coming up. but first, let us turn to the less repulsive response to monday shooting at the covenant school in nashville, tennessee. because this was a christian school targeted by a transgender killer. thoughtful, heartfelt remarks from democrats in the media mob, they have been futile, and far between. some are actually mocking the victims, take a look your sc screen, now's the former press secretary for arizona governor katie hobbs posted that sweet after the shooting with the caption saying "us when we see trans folks." she has now since resigned in disgrace, but is often no apology. sadly, the visual did not stop there. one opera progressive talk show host will was joking about the victims and not praying enough. and that is supposed to be funny? i thought of talking to one's personal was not allowed in the left's work world that we live in. meanwhile a trance activist from harvard, a law was implying that the victims

the fact is you can make progress. >> michelle obama urged countries to educate young girls. >> these. and their countries. >> on the ground in kenya, biden promoting economic empowerment for women one of the country's first lady. and met with young people on the importance of safe sex. >> focus on condom, says that promote birth control pill? >> on biden's final day in kenya. we drove about three outer south of nairobi over bumpy dirt robes to the rural village of -- part of the horn of africa suffering from drought. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> nearly 500 people gathered there to receive medical checkups and nutritional assistance. the first lady talking with members of the community whose livelihoods are threatened. and mothers struggling to feed their children. >> all their livestock are dying. as we came down that long road, the livestock and how they're just skin and bones. so, they're left with nothing. some of the women told me that they're walking three hours a day. to go into a populated area. so they really need a lot of help. >> what more needs to be done? >> everybody needs to come together

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former first lady michelle obama took notice talking about the lessons kids can teach as. > kids can. they are open. they are ready to learn. >> reporter: these kids have a lot to a lot to teach us on topics like our planet. >> you are bigger so you are worse for the environment. i am small. >> reporter: love it. >> is there anything you love that is not a human? >> begin. >> do you love baking than your mom? >> i can't and choose. >> reporter: even our time left on earth. >> you have a long an amazing life ahead of you. >> i know, longer than yours. >> really? how much longer do you think i have? >> 20 weeks. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: tell me about the game. what will you ask about? >> will be finishing an episode that i started last week about a key feelings. how do you feel when there is a yucky thing near you? >> i just walk away. that is it. >> so you're going to walk away? >> yeah. >> let me say. here are some worms. >> thank you. >> i thought you were going to walk away. is it embarrassing that you are doing this interview right now? >> kind of. >> what the want to say about getting em

♪ former first lady michelle obama is opening up about her family's white house day, in her new podcastsponsibility to represent black communities. take a listen. >> the mission during those eight years was bigger than just my voice. we were the first, hopefully not the only, but we were the first. [applause] and when you are the first at stuff, especially the first in its biggest spotlight, the world watching you, you do not want to mess it up. you want to make sure that you were representing. i talk about this in the book. the challenge is when you are the first, or an only, you are carrying a tray of other people's expectations. along with you on the journey. you know, one small misstep it's not just a misstep for you, but it is a misstep for your family, for your community, for your race, for all of humanity because we do not often get a second chance. >> mrs. obama opening up in a way she has not before

ket do you agree with that about michelle obama? i mean, i think she's living her best life right now. it's not going to get anys livi better than it is right now. does sheng really want to get to the down and dirty of politics and go back to that routine?t to get down t i'm not buying that. >> i would think that. i would think not. they've served their time , you know,ady had the wife of a former president run. she's lost twice. r and i'm happun andy that the cls are welcoming people to judge to vanderbilt this weekend. i'm not surprised because he's a corporate guy. he's a kinzie guy, and everything's got everything to bentability. studied. no empathy, no accountability. but sh hillary e hillary clintos how to lose elections. so it's probably good fote butti the rest of us , the people, to judge taking advice from her. look, the democrats have tonsno of names and talent. t governor the fact that we're even talking about governors of want illinois and california as if the rest of us want to livethat like that, is tells youth how th

bush's swapping coug drops with michelle obama.r putin on friday over his illega invasion of ukraine. nor has bush taken any rea responsibility at all. my next guest was an arden support of the war in iraq, an influential liberal journalist writing op-eds making the case at the time, and he has shown lot of regret since, he ha apologized and said he was totally wrong. he joins me now, peter beinart msnbc political analyst an author of the beinart notebook on substack who is editor of the liberal pro war magazine i the new republic back in 2003. thanks for coming back on th show, peter. you and your that magazine backed the war you were a noted and outspoken liberal hawk, even a year later, in 2004, you are putting out a editorial in your magazine tha said, on iraw, we feel regre but no shame in 2010 you are still bein called an unrepentant libera hawk you are talking about ho saddam has not - has bothered you when did you decide, peter, got it wrong, completely wrong and actually feel bad about it feel, quote unquote, shame >> i th

it's a little bit different from first lady michelle obama who married someone who was not in publicife when they first got together. jill biden's been in this for a while. it also underscores the problem for them. here they are, she's on a trip visiting countries in africa. the posture that this administration has had towards africa is radically different than the prior administration. but it's a conversation that can't be had because not only are people focused on whether he's going to run but even asking the question should he at all because of his age. i mean, that really gives you a sense of the kind of obstacles for them. >> it also struck me that she was answering the question over and over again at every chance she got, even when arlette wasn't asking her about it. >> she was ready with an answer. >> she's talking about the ukraine trip, she's talking about his stamina, his ability to do all of that. i mean, i think she is keenly aware that this is an unavoidable question about her husband, and she is injecting at every moment an opportunity to say, this is a guy who can keep

has said to you that he believes that both jacinda ardern, the new zealand prime minister, and michelle obama actually men. val: yes, that has been said to me, yes. karen: if people wear red shoes, then that's they're wearing red so that when babies are slaughtered and the blood falls on the ground that no one will see the blood spatter. and there's been tweets from them that say if you don't believe in the qanon perspectives, then you're a pedophile enabler. ♪♪♪ ♪♪♪ louise: at the same time that tim stewart was descending into qanon, one of his old friends ascended to the highest office in the land. scott morrison became prime minister in august 2018. tim stewart's wife, lynelle, has been best friends with scott morrison's wife, jenny, for decades. the two couples cemented their friendships at their local baptist church in the early 1990s. brian stewart: well, it's a close one. there's no doubt about that. the two girls in particular have known each other from high school onwards, and then the two men who married the two girls became friends as well along the way. val: they've had a lifelong

michelle obama's the light we carry and a new book to the list, isabel wilkerson's caste, which examines the social strata and hierarchies in america today. and as always, look for these authors and books in the near future. on c span booktv. also coming up on booktv on our afterwards program. journalist kathleen mclaughlin looks at how and why selling blood plasma has turned into a $20 billion industry. she was interviewed by stat news investigative reporter olivia goldhill. here's a portion. we export more blood plasma than certain popular farm crops. it's a huge industry. it's a huge export. i had a conversation a couple of months ago with someone who was asking me about the kind of global connectedness of this industry. and they said, is there a country, a developing country somewhere in the world? that kind of provides all of the world's plasma. is there a country somewhere where you can really see, you know, this is the place where we're getting all the plasma? and i said, yes, it's the united states. i mean, we are the country that has a big enough population and enough of that po

. >> i think it's going to be michelle obama. >> that is barack obama's wife, lawrence.nted to fill you in. >> thank you. i appreciate that. >> we didn't have that in the packet. she was first lady maybe 10, 12 years ago. you were probably three. >> close. >> close? what do you make of this feud? it's great for us. politics is boring. this is not boring. >> i think we're focused on the feud and not how we got kamala. i think that's the real question. i understand how we got joe. joe is an empty vessel. he's like d.c.'s favorite because all the people working behind the scenes, the staffers, just tell him what to do. that makes sense why they selected him. i heard people say it was because of identify politics that they selected kamala. that doesn't make sense. she was the first person out of the race and black people were not supporting her because they remember the criminal justice. the identity politics doesn't jibe for me too. i've come with one solution. they have to be together. >> oh, yeah. >> they have to be together. >> you mean like kamala and liz have to hook u

michelle obama and the rock. >> laura: he evolved to see how insane liberalism became.er got there. >> and hillary clinton teased a run by running around columbia's campus or trotting. >> laura: no. >> not something we need to sign up for. >> laura: it looked like barney for a second. i don't know what that was. >> only capture it from the knee down. there was a story this week out of virginia where these 2 inmates used a toothbrush to dig a tunnel out of their jail cell. i would sit their goals higher. they spent months digging out to make a bee line for ihop. the international house of prisoners. they called the cops and the pair were arrested. wouldn't you go to a steak house? >> laura: probably short on cash after that time behind bars. give them credit for the toothbrush maneuver. imagine if they had an electric toothbrush how quickly they would get out. did they use floss? >> i don't know. >> laura: you have one wish left. >> my final wishes that when congressmen who spent far too many hours with lobbyists try to defend tiktok, i wish they would come up with bette

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and that is when someone criticizes obama or michelle obama or kamila harris and then they will have dig at that time slavery when trump returns to twit and someone likes a trump tweet. and systemic digital racism and musk purchased twit and shadow banning conservative this is is systemic digital racism. they gotta come up with this buzz they hide from the fact they are trying to cover fact that while antiblack racism decreased ands antiwhite racism increased in america and anybody this is not have their head in the sand buried can see that. and so they are covering up the fact that antiwhite racism is out of control. the president's doing temperature everybody over social media is doing it and want to hide by creating, yea, this digital. you are doing digital blackface it is a joke, tucker, it is a scam. there are many costs one is the assumption that everybody in america secretly hates everybody else on the basis of race that is not the reality i experience living in this country. >> it is no remote low the reality. these organizations cnn, most of corporate media, than i are there

then the first lady michelle obama, based in china, and speak in the. picking your university. then. last year. i donated a lunch pad. in summer, cisco asian art museum. for provide a platform. to the young asian artist. but this play their talent. and right now i have another ongoing project. in chinatown. that is going to build a. i said mayor just mentioned. and, uh, i'm very old lady. um because you know what i grew up in the world war two. then you can figure out how old i am. so i witness america. to send a young palate. go to china help china to fighting with aggression against the japan. and those young american palate. we called them flying tigers. that's what 2016 i bought a flying tiger airplane. she 47 i found it. in australia. under repair it and flew to china as a gift. as a token. as a sample. for the two countries are good relationship. to remember. during the world war two there's two countries. we have been good allies and what happened, folding shoulder to shoulder together. and i also donated a building in chinatown. to establish a world war two. pacific war

i got to sit with michelle obama as her dinner guest. there you are performing. that's me.nice to see you again. now, you have won and emmy, nominated for two oscars. one for singing, one for acting. when you look back at your career, illustrious and ongoing, what are you proudest of that you have done? >> mary: i am proudest of all of it. it all mean something to me. i am most of all just -- >> stephen: nothing sticks out? >> mary: i have to say the two oscar nominations were a complete shock to me and i didn't think i was going to get nominated for an oscar for my acting. that blew me away. i didn't see that coming. >> mary: adding author to your list of accomplishments. you've written a book called "mary can." "mary can." >> mary: mary can. >> stephen: obviously you are mary. "mary can," based upon the number of things you can already. what inspired this idea for you? >> mary: just being told that you can't. >> stephen: who told you you can't, mary? >> mary: some jerk. >> stephen: oh, him. >> mary: it wasn't a good time but i took that darkness and i turned it into light

michelle obama also on the list. what does it take for a conservative women?these women but that's what that placement did. every day, all day, we see these underserved communities in these challenging times, how many women and men out there of all records, how many humans are doing such good work, trying so hard day after day without recognition. you have a platform like "usa today" and you are looking for the angels looking tirelessly to lift up others, i wish it was for those reasons. >> the representative guy, she said as an elected, i recognize i just got there. so why are you getting an award? >> president obama got a nobel peace prize for doing nothing. that's what this is. there's people that deserve the credit. biological women that deserve that credit. this is not about actual achievement or accomplishment it seems as this individual seems to admit in that comment, this is about there's a culture war, there's a big controversial around trans issues so let's make a statement. that's fine. it's clearly that's what they're doing here, right? >> yeah, re

there's president obama when he did it, holding hands with john lewis, and michelle obama back in 2015n barack obama was president of the united states. that was just an incredible moment. we see president biden doing it today, arlette. a vice president that many thought would not become president is walking that same walk that president obama did eight years ago. arlette, your thoughts as we're watching this. it's always an incredible moment to watch this unfold. >> reporter: it really is. this is a tradition we've seen play out over and over. it's particularly significant when you do have the president of the united states here coming to commemorate and walk through that same martha hundreds of civil rights, voting rights activists did 58 years ago today. in just a short while, you see the president, as he is slowly walking across this bridge. of course, he has been here before when he was vice president and also back in 2020 as a presidential candidate. in 2020 he didn't march across the bridge but did speak at one of the historic churches just a few blocks away. for president biden

but also including working in the white house with first lady michelle obama. thank you so much. all the work advocates here today and chris and tricia gallagher and thank you for sharing your story and i mentioned julie su a thank you for your partnership and friendship and justice leading our division in the team that enforces the fmla and other protections. lisa gomez. director of employment. thank you. fmla is the critical part of our efforts to build an economy that works for all people. the truth is everybody should be able to take leave when they need it. there are many valid reasons for taking leave but they all have one thing in common and it's called living life. it's about supporting families. we are all humans and we get health conditions fmla is for opportunities these people apply for and we have loved one and they drop everything to help us when we need them. we need to be able to do the same thing. a parent, a spouse, a child, we need leave. if ail, leave is granted under fmla since the law was enacted. 500 million times. this law and families get through a desper

bush is still swimming around, painting paintings, swapping cough drops with michelle obama, today we'reh anniversary, of his illegal invasion of iraq, what about that double standard? . oh >> well the first thing i'd say, it's not like the united states to join the icc, we're not a member, we should be a member, we should join the international community. the second thing i'd say, these are different, wars items where that were either. but that war was not a war of imperialism. that war was not a war of annexation, tell me the territories of the united states annexed, so there are different win different ways, but i think the war in europe today is categorically different. this is a war of imperialism, it's a war of annexation, and i think it puts it in a different category, tragically, and category that we tragically need to deal with. >> i agree with, you it is a war of imperialism, and annexation, although it say both wars were illegal, i wish we could have accountability for both wars. but an argument for another day. michael mcfaul, thank you for time, as ever. >> thanks for having