i am pleased to have mike flynn at this table for the first time. welcome. >> charlie, thanks so much for having me. >> charlie: i met you when you were a top colleague of stan mcchrystal in afghanistan. he>> he remains a great friend of mine. >> charlie: he knows something about leadership. >> big time across the board. he's doing amazing things today for a lot of organizations and i think that will carry on for a while. >> charlie: we want to talk about i.s.i.s. we had one more example today -- >> yeah. >> charlie: -- when there is on the internet a video of the burning in a cage of a jordanian pilot who lost his plane and had to parachute out and was captured by i.s.i.s. and was the subject of an attempted exchange, which the jordanians with were prepared to do of a woman on death row in jordan. we don't know why that failed that exchange but we do know today with this video -- >> yeah, they put him inside a cage probably doused him in gasoline and they had a fuse going up to the cage and lit the thing off and then just sat there and videotaped t

lieutenant general mike flynn is here. he retired as director of the defense intelligence agency this fall. his career spans three decades includes every level of command in military intelligence. he previously served as top intelligence advisor to general stanley mcchrystal in iraq and afghanistan. he is credited with revolutionizing how intelligence is done inside the military. in 2010, you wrote a similar report called "fixing intel, a blueprint for making intelligence relevant in the military." it examines the military's inability to understand fundamental questions driving extremists. that paper proves relevant today. i'm pleased to have mike flynn at this table for the first time. welcome. >> charlie, thanks so much for having me. i know we've been trying to do this for a while. >> we have indeed. i met you as i mentioned in this top colleague of stanley mcchrystal in afghanistan. >> remains a great friend of mine today. >> the man knows something about leadership. >> big time. and he's an exceptional leader across t

i'm pleased to have mike flynn at this table for the first time. welcome. >> charlie, thanks so much for having me. i know we've been trying to do this for a while. >> we have indeed. i met you as i mentioned in this top colleague of stanley mcchrystal in afghanistan. >> remains a great friend of mine today. >> the man knows something about leadership. >> big time. and he's an exceptional leader across the board and doing some amazing things today for a lot of organizations. and i think that that is going to carry on to a while. >> we want to talk about isis. and we had one more example today. when there is on the internet video of the burning, in a cage -- >> uh-huh. >> of the jordanian pilot who lost his plane and had to parachute out. and was captured by isis. and then was the subject of an attempted exchange. >> uh-huh. >> which the jordanians were prepared to do. with a woman who's on death row. in jordan. we don't know why that failed. that exchange. >> right. >> but we do know today with this video -- >> it was -- they put him inside a cage

mike flynn, as we know now is not going away. upset about this line from the administration. >> sure. he is right. that the narrative from the administration needs to be challenged. and as you mentioned, there is a briefing coming up. that will happen there and perhaps other places in the days ahead. what would say in secretary kerry's defense elsewhere in his testimony yesterday, in fact in the same paragraph we referred to he talked about the beheadings. i don't think it is necessarily fair for general flynn to say he is completely out of touch with reality. he noted beheadings are going on, there is real terror threats but secretary kerry's bottom line was we're pretty safe right now and that doesn't seem to be true. >> overall the message seems to be it is out of perspective. that it is out of whack the amount of fear that is out there. they have talked about the media hyping things. >> he said that. if it bleeds it leads. exactly. martha: we look forward to seeing you in the press room at noon. >> reporter: good to see you t

but that's not what people like mike flynn are trying to tell us every day. the threat is generational. it's a 30 years war, west against the middle east and south asia and stretches from stretches from the atlantic all the way to iran. it's shia and sunny alike. it's an enormous conflagration like enormous brushfire that continues to grow in the world. it's not about how many people die today or tomorrow it's about the generational fight that iran and isis and al qaeda are all partners and their target is western europe the united states, and in the short-term objection, sadly objective is israel. lori: want to ask you about the ukraine, the cease-fire are you optimistic it will hold or is this an opportunity to rearm? >> it's the putin battle plan at work again it's really terrific. you infiltrate you seize terrain, you use a cease-fire to readjust forces and move to the perimeter and you repeat the process again, it worked in georgia worked twice in the ukraine, and he's simply doing it again. objective is support of mariupol. he has a land bridge to the b

but that's not what people like mike flynn are trying to tell us every day.l. it's a 30 years war, west against the middle east and south asia and stretches from stretches from the atlantic all the way to iran. it's shia and sunny alike. it's an enormous conflagration like enormous brushfire that continues to grow in the world. it's not about how many people die today or tomorrow it's about the generational fight that iran and isis and al qaeda are all partners and their target is western europe the united states, and in the short-term objection, sadly objective is israel. lori: want to ask you about the ukraine, the cease-fire are you optimistic it will hold or is this an opportunity to rearm? >> it's the putin battle plan at work again it's really terrific. you infiltrate you seize terrain, you use a cease-fire to readjust forces and move to the perimeter and you repeat the process again, it worked in georgia worked twice in the ukraine, and he's simply doing it again. objective is support of mariupol. he has a land bridge to the black sea and a true russia

it's not just mike flynn. know our position know the most about this threat have said things that directly contradict the president. lapse year dianne feinstein when she was chairing the senate intelligence committee. this is, remember, when president obama was calling isis jay vee said that she had to take on the popular misconception that the threat has diminished. it has not. the presence of terrorist groups, including those formerly affiliated with al qaeda and others has spread over the past year. in fact, terrorism an all-time high worldwide. james clapper said he had never seen greater threats in 50 years of intelligence work it is cliewcial for the president to pretent that this is a problem caused by the news media and it's not only cliewcial, it's dangerous. it makes him look like a fool. >> the current chairman, senator burr on "special report" last week said in all his times on that committee, he has not seen a terror threat matrix like this right now. so, why does the president say this? why does

. >> take a listen to the former head of the defense intelligence agency lieutenant general mike flynncause iran is part of the problem. iran is a deep part of the problem. iran is a state sponsor of terror. iran has killed more americans than al qaeda has through their terrorist network called hezbollah. we have to recognize that that this is a very dangerous country. >> all of these intelligence officials know this stuff about iran and yet there is this decoupling, if you will in this negotiation process. >> president obama has assumed according to reporting in the "wall street journal" that iran can be our partner or we can enter into a defacto alliance throughout the region. that is not the case. you can see in the administration's own documents in july 2011 on four separate occasions and a host of times from the state department that iran continues to provide safe haven to al qaeda and they know all over the globe including to the west. >> the other big deal and it's hard to overstate the importance of these documents. the other thing in here is the presence of bin laden reaching

here's mike flynn, one of the nation's top military intelligence people for a quarter of a century and i got to tell you not a partisan guy. he did not want to come on to go after obama and when i asked him direct questions because he's a straight shooter he says we don't have a strategy to defeat not just isis but this whole -- and he believes that we don't even identify what the problem is this growing vir rue lent form of islamic extremism. >> anybody with a pulse or brain wave knows there no strategy. it's clear. we know the president is capable of putting together a strategy for things he cares about. free community college, immigration am necessarity, he knows how to engineer a great moment in the oval office with the dreamers and it's very emotional, he is able to make a case for issues he cares about. this issue, it's one problem of many problems and karl is right the comment he made at the big prayer breakfast speed when he said we have to get off our high horse. i found that offensive. a high horse? we have a man burned to death? children being buried alive. we're on our high

>> you know, i go back to the words of mike flynn who was out recently speaking and made a lot of wavesing that it is possible, you know, it is possible to overcome this. we can take this force but there are very clear steps you have to take. number one, you know we have to name the enemy very cloerly. we have to develop a strategy with our partners around the world, the international strategy and then we have to go out and execute on it and we have to tell the american public what we're doing. we have the ability to deal with this and it feels like we're not. and i think that's very distressing and frighten to go a -- frightening to a lot of people. >> we've talked about where america stands on these issues and it's understanding because some say no more new wars mr. obama. are we being pushed into yet another new war? and this one is going to be quite different than any one we've seen. >> i agree there. i think the enemy is different, the battlefield is different and i guess i feel like i'm looking at this seeing how it could escalate over a decade. and i see how so many american live

>> well, general mike flynn, the former defense intelligence chief called for an arab nato to deal withwhat he said can only be described as islamic extremism. >> we have to get the arab nations, the contributing arab nations that keep saying they don't like what's happening. and frankly, if they don't do something about it, it's going to come back to bite them, you know where. we have to help them organize almost a nato-like structure in the arab world to defeat this threat. to defeat this ideology. >> expect for jordan to be flying more over syria in the near future, shep. >> jennifer griffin at the pentagon, thanks very much. the question is, will jordan do more than that? could jordan do more than that? the problem from the very beginning has been, well, we were relying on the moderate syrians, remember, and the iraqi army, which we need to stand up, remember? those two things have proved to be very difficult. so is there a jordanian option now? is there so much anger throughout this kingdom that jordanians might actually go along with the thought, at least, with the idea at least,

as mike flynn said this is not an enemy power that is on -- they continue to grow and threaten americanat is so important to remember, the air base is the most exposed facility for american troops in iraq. >> apparently they have been launching more tar strike -- mortar strikes at the forces on the base. doesn't take a whole lot of expertise with a mortar, sooner or later you're going to have a hit, aren't you? >> that's the whole point. it's only a matter of time before sadly an american gets wounded in these mortar and rocket attacks. they're using both. but the great fear is the fact that perhaps one of these soldiers god forbid might be captured by isis. that's their holy grail. gçk çisis is running out of western captives captives and believe our vulnerable center of gravity as a society is in watching our citizens be brutally attacked and killed by isis and they seek to move ever and ever closer to an american facility and god forbid capture or kill one of our guys. this is tough on themc÷óvç because there their assignment is to assist and train. and it's hard to assist and train

the best description of the chaos is from mike flynn on fox news sunday. >> when we say ready break paulyers that are on the team are going off into different stadiums playing different sports. we don't have an effective strategy that is colength that addresses the wider problem. martha: a a u.s. drone strike targeted a taliban leader who pledged his allegiance to isis. this is a former gitmo detainee. the drone strike killed at least 8 people. it's not clear if whether the former gitmo detainee was one of them. martha: the white house release a list of muslim leaders who attended a private meeting there with president obama. martha: they released this list of people at the meeting. what was the meeting all about? >> what was strike being the list is how few of these leaders were clerics, religious leaders and how many were political activists. one account we have from the meeting so far the conversation was how to fight islamophobia in the united states. this is a bewildering fact and missed opportunity. you have one of the world's great religions gone off the rails and many moderate an

house armed services committee from the former head of the defense intelligence agency, general mike flynnle kirby was saying that we should not overemphasize what happened at that air base, general flynn was saying that with every metric that people in the intelligence community measure the threat -- so the number of individuals recruitment, money the territory that they're holding, he said with every metric what you see is that the threat from isis is greater today than it was a year ago. so, there is the contrast between the intelligence professional who was knee deep in this information and the pentagon spokes man. >> yes. just to expand on that, so isis obviously evil, but also tactically very shrewd. what do we think their end game is? what's their long-term strategy? what do they want? >> well, they've been -- one of the things about these groups i've found over the years is especially with al qaeda and we see this also with isil is they actually tell you what they intend to do. there's no mystery here. so, when bin laden said i'm coming after america that is exactly what he did. is

general mike flynn. and chuck hagel for not wanting to do the release of prisonersers from guantanamo. notable that that's the reason that the president fires people for trying to do their job. secondly the missions. for goodness sake. yesterday, announcing we are going to do this offensive operation in iraq. that's demoralizing. everybody knows bill, that that's giving the huge heads up. >> basically you are going to get the trump apprentice treatment if you disagree with the president. >> military officials on the record in this piece say it could take up to 8 brigades to win back mosul which is really the capital of isis caliphate right now. capital in iraq. >> not going to let it go the way of kobani because it is arguably their capital >> how many are sunni. >> zero. >> you may be concerned about isis and you should be, but the white house says in a report just reeked this weeked that the real concern that you really ought to be afraid of. buckle your seat belt. right wing extremists concerned about

mike flynn and james maddis, hagel, all got fired because they were trying to say, mr. president, this is what the issue is. this is what you need to address. each time they did that, they ended up getting their pink slip and shown the door. that's not the right way to run the military. being belittled by the national security council by politicians when they should be listening to the wise counsel of these generals. don't fire people for telling the truth. what will will happen next if you don't pay attention and try to prevent bad outcomes from coming . i see a very bad outcome coming the way they're planning it right now. >> it's re very scary and sobering indeed. tony shaffer, keep us posted. i know it will not all be pleasant news. >> no it's not. >> thank you. >>> and is it dangerous to be a jew in europe? this video of a jewish man's walk will give you something to think about. it received nearly a million hits on youtube. we will talk to that reporter coming up. >>> and a march deadline approaches. negotiators try to hammer out a deal. are they even close? we'll

. >> reporter: the former head of the defense intelligence agency, retired lieutenant mike withal flynn, ripped kerry's flowery assessment but declaring to fox "secretary kerry is out of touch with reality. he clearly is not listening to the entire u.s. intelligence community. he is not reading any of the intelligence or other things that have been written over the last few weeks, months, years." white house spokesman josh earnest tried to square the statements by saying clapper ac knowledged the threat from isis but kerry noted their capacity to carry out attacks is being diminished. >> how could secretary kerry make the claim to the american people, to the world that we are safer than we were before? >> well, i think he could do so with the evidence on his side. what he was able to testimony bhon straight and i think what he was discussing, is the success that our bill tary campaign has had in applying significant pressure. >> reporter: except syrian activists say the number of christians abducted by isis in the northeast part of the country has risen to 220, while isis released a vid

rare interview with the just retired head of the defense intelligence agency lieutenant general mike flynntroubled by our unwillingness and failure to say what the problem is and coming up with a strategy to address it. we'll talk to him about that. you can also see we'll talk to dr. ben carson. obviously part of what we'll discuss is the vaccination controversy, and also his remarkably strong campaign -- i have to say, i was a doubter. i'm a huge fan of ben carson. i think i'm a friend of his. and i'm a friend of his, i don't know if he's a friend of mine. i hope he is. but in any case, i said to him do you really think you have a chance? he said, if it's god's will. and right now he's about third or fourth in the polls, lead ago lot of senators and governors. we'll talk to him about it. i think he's probably going to run for president. >> strong contender there. thanks. we'll be watching sunday for sure. >> you bet. thanks. >> maybe it is time for a brain surgeon in the white house. >> that would be great. if he made his mark at the national prayer breakfast. >> we know he's good under p

yonkers fire chief john flynn and firefighter mike juro assess the dire situation. >> one guy is actuallyg on the scaffolding, standing on top of it. and the second victim is below him, beneath the scaffolding, probably another ten feet or so. >> we didn't know the extent of their injuries at that point. so the plan was made to have some of our members proceed to the floor nearby where they were hanging from the scaffolding to remove windows to establish communication with them, to assess their condition. >> the two men indicate they aren't hurt and their safety harnesses keep them from plummeting to the ground. but rescuers are concerned that may quickly change. no one knows how long the scaffold, or the workers, can hold on. >> when they sit in their harnesses for a long time it decreases the blood flow to their lower extremities which creates a lot of physiological problems. >> it's a serious thing. they were starting to get some of that because their legs were starting to get numb. it was a little cold out. >> firefighters first attempt to use their truck ladder to bring the men down,

flynn. back to you. >> thank you, mike. >>> we have breaking news out of haiti this morning. at least 18 people were killed during a cairnal in the capital of port-au-prince when the parade float was electrocuted by a power line. this is the chaotic scene on the street. someone on the float used a pole or stick to move a power line so the float could pass under it that ended with a shower of sparks. 46 others were hurt. >>> city leaders in new orleans are hoping for a safer mardi gras celebration. it is fat tuesday and people are already out not surprisingly in the french quarter. despite a slight chance of rain and colder than normal temperatures, 95% of the city's hotel rooms are booked. look at elvis even in the crowd. another round of partying is set to start in rio de janeiro this morning. the third day of carnivale festivities in the brazilian city. thousands of performers danced in the city some riding halloween-like floats. >>> thinking of taking your four-legged loved one on an amtrak? that day could come very soon. lawmakers are pushing for amtrak to allow certain p