>> help me understand, this mimi rocah.there are -- for example, if mark meadows is still trying to appeal -- let's say, they say, if you can't throw it out from state court, and he appeals that decision, it's working its way through the court system, potentially at the same time that the trial is still happening. and if a verdict is returned in the trial, you cannot actually convict until the removal process is complete, that whole appeals process is complete. is that right? >> that seems to be what the judge is saying. i am not sure that is exactly right. it wouldn't be right if meadows's case was severed. because you could still sever his case. >> right. >> but he would have to do that ahead of time. and he seems not necessarily inclined to do that. i think he is kind of -- i think at some point he said something about double jeopardy. and he is worried about a conviction at the state level and then there is going to be a federal possible trial. there is also still the question of if -- if, a big if -- if meadows's motio

mimi rocah and mark zaid, thank you for being here. i, mimi, would love to know, what would account for a judge, you know, receiving this request from the government, in june, and waiting until september to make a decision on. it >> look, judges often do not move at the pace that we as litigators would want them to. i mean, i have been frustrated by a pace of a judges decision making more times than i can count. i am hesitant to ascribe ill motive to this judge for that, regularly since, look, she made substantively the common sense, you know, ruling here, that one would have expected given the circumstances. that said, should she have taken into account the fact in, you know, how long it took her to rule on this, that this is a matter of the greatest public interest that could possibly exist as many of the other judges do, as the 11th circuit seems to be doing. and approach it with that urgency. >> yes. >> i am not going to ascribe to her a deliberate play. delay. but it would be nice to see every judge who is involved in any case inv

we're back with mimi rocah, david jolly, and glenn kirschner. about the interview, cassidy hutchinson has not disavowed the republican party, not left the republican party. she definitely believes the republican party she thinks she believe belongs to is not the one we see on tv represented in congress. >> yeah, cassidy hutchinson has been heroic and brave and is due a lot of credit for standing up to people that few people have been willing to stand up to, so she's do a lot of grace, and what i'm about to say has not taken away from her. she's on her own journey that started recently. the existential race started in 2016 and the opportunity to speak up for donald trump was in 2017 and 2018 and 2019 and 2020 an '22. and cassidy is exactly right the republican race is a defining part of the republican party. and having taken the journey cassidy has taken as others have, there is an evolution to it. you think you can stay within the party and fix it and you can win that battle within the party. you resign yourself to the loss but you think i'll si

district attorney for west chester county, mimi rocah, thank you for being here.ter isaacson, you keep selling books. money is coming through. >> no, no, no. >> it to. s -- follows you wherever you go. >> half the people hate elon musk. half the people think he's amazing, and nowadays, it helps to do a story and say, let me just tell you the story where you can figure out some of his accomplishments and some of his dark side, and say, this is an interesting human being. >> isn't it interesting that it is so shocking that people are so shocked at the fact that some of these geniuses aren't like you and me? in fact, they can be quirky, and it a times they can do things that most people would think would be offensive. i mean, you look at henry ford, you know, not a guy that you would put in the hall of fame of characters, and yet he created the modern age. >> well, you know, the amazing accomplishments of getting rockets into orbit and astronauts into orbit, moving to electric vehicles, that doesn't excuse the bad behavior. >> no. >> but the bad behavior also doesn't