mohammad bin salman. sort of setting a message to both of them, too, that america will have a clearer role, even in the middle east. >> no, that's right, ali. if you think about it, you know, who were trump's favorite leaders? mohammad bin salman was perhaps at the top of that list. the first trip donald trump took as president overseas, he broke precedent. instead of going to one of our -- he went to saudi arabia. i think, what you see is joe biden, very deliberately, picking venues. this -- the munich-security conference where he gave that speech today virtually. that's the venue in the heart of europe signaling, you know, you are our friends, you are our allies. not these other guys. the agenda is very different. he is talking about democracy. standing up to russia. climate change. diplomacy, to get back into the iran nuclear agreement. so, both the tone, the settings, and the substance, is entirely different than what we've seen the last four years. >> so, ben, this is the moment to determine whether some of those alliances have been damaged. obviously, g7 is a -- is a key alliance. nato is one, that was undermined by -- by donald trum