president miguel: commissioner moore? commissioner moore: as we are saddled with the responsibility of looking at equitable densification throughout the city, i do believe the rh-2 zoning in noe valley needs to closely be look at and specifically at this resident and a megamansion in a small rh2 and you go from one car to two car. i think we are completely defeating any larger policy decision with which we are trying to sell everybody else. i cannot participate in supporting that project unless that particular issue has been looked at where we have other neighborhoods we are very strict in what we are enforcing and what we expect when a home gets as large as this one. i cannot support this project not because i don't want this family to have a home, but in this situation the issue is framed the wrong way. president miguel: commissioner sugaya? >> we're never going to rezone the entire noe valley back to rh-1, so that's out of the question and the situation will exist anyway the next time around and the next time around. i

commissioner moore? commissioner moore: i fully understand buying a small house and wanting to enlarge it. i think the design is not the issue here. what is the issue is the prevailing zoning if zoning is rh2 and i am conflicted by demolishing a house of sound quality which has always been a big issue in this commission but what i am more concerned about is building a significantly larger home that does not provide an additional small unit to fully realize the zoning. the fact that this resident on the entire mrok is quite similar and only says to me that we are encouraging enlarging homes in an r2 and without meeting the prevailing density standard. if we want to improve the home and say that megamansioning in an r2 district is cave, but then we done zone and we can't support this viable project, otherwise i personally see a conflict. the five homes going with this particular project all obey a common setback. this house would move into the setback and also really starts to be much, much deeper than the

for example, commissioner moore? commissioner moore: i believe that the team who designed this project is skilled enough to take two or three topics which are related into one hearing, be given sufficient time to present and respond to questions and answers. i could do it with two meetings. i would probably say there should be an introduction into the basic structure of the development agreement. i have a couple of questions relative to the length of time frame. i'm very concerned that a development agreement spanning 30 years goes far beyond any out of the box thinking any of us can do. i'm not at a point where i can think 30 years ahead, perhaps you can. there are questions like that i would like a soft touch introduction into how you're structuring it, what your objectives are that we can support you. this commission is not here to ding this project. i need to say that loud and clear. this project just needs to be brought into the basic procedural kind of similarities to what we have done on other large projects,

commissioner moore: aye. >> that motion fails, with commissioners more, so gaya, and -- moore, sugaya, and olague voting agains. this requires a four votes to survive. that has not happened. do you have directions to staff on clarifying the eir? commissioner moore: move to continue. it is done. president miguel: could i have the project's sponsor please come up and give me an idea of what would be inappropriate time for the continuation? commissioner moore: it is not up to staff to make a motion. president miguel: we first have to be able to make the corrections that are necessary here. >> i think if you want to continue the item in the face of a deadlock of non-certification, you need to give a specific direction as to what is adequate. president miguel: i would assume the u.s. to answer those commissioners who commented on what they found to be inadequacies and try to answer those inadequacies and bring back a document that would be satisfactory to the two commissioners who spoke to inadequacies. >> i think that is true. i think it would be helpful if there are any other concerns, i

commissioner moore? commissioner moore: i was extremely pleased to listen to land use and a discussion on america's cup. it was the first time that many city agencies and departments are coming together. i look for our own, talking to the group of commissioners here -- participation in a fruitful dialogue. it sounds very exciting and if proper live balanced, it could be a very exciting measure. >> vice president olague? vice president olague: , i also for disclosure purposes, met with the staff of supervisor campos to discuss this city wide health legislation. it seems pretty interesting, so i look forward to hearing more about it. president miguel: commissioner borden? commissioner borden: and i also met with supervisor campos and made some suggestions. clerk: ok. thank you, commission others, we can move forward to director's report and announcements and industry sow of the past week for the board of supervisors, board of appeals and historic preservation commission. >> thank you. that health care legi

commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: aye. president miguel: aye. >> thank you, commissioners. vietminh's continued -- the item is continued. president miguel: and with that, the hearing is adjourned. special hearing. >> i would like to introduce furturo picante. the director is jose leon. they're one of the great draws for tonight. when people heard they were going to be here, the phones kept on ringing. in just a moment we'll hear from them. and if the rest of our awardees could join the north side mayor in the forecourt. ladies and gentlemen, furturo picante. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [applause] [applause] ♪ [applause] ♪ >> once again, everybody, this is a band from the mission cultural center and i hope you enjoyed it. we're going to play a couple more tunes, but if you really want to dance, make sure you visit us in the north court over there, because we're going to do some really great dancing, ok? so ready, guys? ♪ ♪ ♪ [singing in spanish] ♪ [singing in spanish] ♪ [singing in spanish] ♪ ♪ [singing in spanish] ♪ [speaking in spanish] ♪ ♪

commissioner moore? commissioner moore: i need to acknowledge the hat miss irving was wearing. that hat actually last night won second prize in environmental innovative and creative and it is not designed by her, but we borrowed it so she could indeed show it off today. >> if i could for a minute, commissioners, you made some really good comments and i took note of all them and would like to respond to a few points. number one, the most important one that was mentioned is marketing this to the public and i will admit this is a very tough sell when i was first asked to take on the project, i said, what, are you kidding me? it is not intuitive to something that's part of the everyday life and windows and has been for a while that could be such a big problem. i was approached the topic with a great deal of skepticism, but i think the research is following me there that this is an issue that warrants our response. and i think it's something that we can do smartly and effectively so that we don't lose all the other good design we're looking for. we might have o find a comprise where

commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: aye. president miguel: aye. >> those items have been approved. you are now at commissioners' questions and matters. will you adopt the commission minutes for your meeting of september 16, september 23, and september 30, 2010. falling and the public comment, we ask that you adopt the draft minutes. president miguel: public comment is closed. commissioner antonini: move to approve the draft minutes of the dates in question. president miguel: the second commissioner -- do you second commissioner moore? commissioner antonini: aye. commissioner borden: aye. commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: aye. president miguel: aye. commissioner moore: i had my name but my technology got in the way. i was pleased to read in the paper that the american planning association yesterday nominated the ferry building and its open spaces as one of the 10 great public spaces of america for 2010. this goes hand in hand with north beach having been two years ago nominated one of the great neighborhoods in th

commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: aye. commissioner olague: no. >> that motion passes with motio4-2 vote. you are now on item number 12. >> good evening, president miguel. before starting my presentation, i like to distribute -- >> can i ask the room to clear please? thank you. >> i would like to distribute the following to the commission. i will speak to this later on in my presentation, but it is an addendum to the draft motion in consultation with the city attorney with regards to ceqa language. the project is located at the southwest corner and comprise -- and is comprised of two lots. it proposes new construction in the development with 27 units overground for commercial space. one basement level garages proposed. conditional use authorization is required to allow chains of the -- change of use for the project to allow the exception for the diagonal. request of access from the rear yard will also be heard concurrently with the conditional use application. the mitigated declaration -- no appeals were filed. i like to s

commissioner moore: aye. vice president olague: aye. president miguel: aye. >> that motion passed, 4-21, with commissioner borden -- 4-1works commissioner borden voting against -- 4-1, with commissioner borden voting against. thank you, commissioners. president miguel: we are going to take a half-hour break. >> thank you. commission is taking a half-hour recess. thank you.

president miguel: commissioner moore? commissioner moore: i am glad to see a term sheet was submitted for the america's cup and hope we will find and ongoing dialogue about how to get the best out of that city wide planning. president miguel: since we last had public comment, i would like to mention i met with people regarding the booker t. washington project, cpmc. i was at the planning department out of the south mission surveys, the stark area, which was quite nicely attended, as far as the neighborhood was concerned, with some very intelligent information and questions and interests. had the pleasure of being a guest, again, at the neighborhood network. did a very interesting presentation this week on hope s.f. they had previously done one on the physical characteristics of the buildout. this was interesting because it did not concern the physical aspects that usually concern commissioners, but the support services that would have to be in place and that would work with the residents, work with them before, during and

commissioner moore: aye. vice president olague: aye. president miguel: aye. >> that motion passed, 4-21, with commissioner borden -- 4-1works commissioner borden voting against -- 4-1, with commissioner borden voting against. thank you, commissioners. president miguel: we are going to take a half-hour break. >> th >> ok. sorry for all of that everyone. planning commission is in session. we're on item number 16. before i call the item, let me just remind everyone to turn off pagers, cell phones, any electronic devices that may sound off during these proceedings. item 16 is case number 2008.0968e, north beast library and joe dimaggio playground master plan. this is a public hearing on the environmental impact report. >> good evening, commissioners. the planning department staff. the purpose of this evening's hearing is to take public comment on the accuracy and completeness of the draft environmental impact report for the north beach library, joe dimaggio master plan project. there's no approval action requested of this commission this ev

. >> commissioner moore? >> i believe that the majority of downtown buildings and developers are represented and somewhere along the line we have to extend the trust that the permit we make certain requirements that these people really tried to work with each other to deliver them and unless we hear otherwise, that there's a kind of a question on their perform earnings i'm sure somebody would be here to speak to that matter so i can really only trust and be sure the department would reveal if there are any questions. i do believe this particular case, if there's any possible gap, it is bridged. commissioner sugaya: what background piece of information then, is this a requirement of the downtown plan or some -- so there is a public responsibility here? >> they're codified sections 163, 164, 165, all adopted as part of the downtown plan for office buildings. commissioner sugaya: actually, the list, commissioner, in the back has asterisk where's the work program is required by the permit of certain of the buildi

president miguel: commissioner moore. commissioner moore: i believe the standards are definitely moving in the right direction. i wish there would be ultimately one lead standard that people have to consider and it depends on what points they get for it, but it would be really adapted nationally for the performance. and for san francisco it is highly appropriate since we are striving and wanting to maintain the status of being a green city and i would ask we spend some attention to the strong presence of mid block open spaces that obviously our many parks, having one in the middle of the block i live in and every possible bird including the frequent visit of the parrots who fly over from telegraph hill and swoop through the mid block open space with their unmistakable noise so i know when they are there. that make me think we need to spend attention on the roof decks, roof deck railing design and take it to the level where we are not too overly restrictive and do indeed as best as we can to create the balance on residenti

>commissioner moore: i am in lie with commissioner sugaya. i went by the applicant's homa, and felt that the best of both worlds, it would really be a better place, it would be expanding in its current building, holding the sidelines. as far as at least considering a backyard and variantce to be minimal, it would probably create a better solution. the rear yards are pretty consistently filled with very old and large trees. it is not like looking at a metal landscape, but you have a lot of trees there. i don't think that moving by a small amount into the rear yard would change that very much, particularly with the house to the north of the project applicant. it is set to the far side of a lot and would actually not be affected by it. there are some smaller structures in the garden. it would actually be on the requestor to live with the addition. that would be challenged. president miguel: i also agree with commissioner sugaya. i think he possible solution of moving the stairway to the rear, even though it impacts and would require a variance,

thank you, commissioner moore, a perfect segue for my comments. we were surprised yesterday at 4:15 when we got through article 11, at least a cursory look we have not resolved all the language issues, a lot of things to look at and i hope the planning commission does not feel we expect you to have picked this up and be ready to go and i think that we certainly want to move this along but we have been spending a lot of time on it, it will take you a lot of time to look at it and understand all of the issues that it means, and to have the public digest it as well. so thank you for being patient and letting us go through our process and we look forward to conversations like this one in which we can share what we're working on and what concerns you have and how it can move forward. second of all, i've been very impressed with the caliber of the historic preservation commission as i am with the planning commission. i think we have people who are very experienced in their field and they're not just experienced in the field, they're experienced in worki

michael mooring i remember john l.e he had with harry truman, because they could stop america, the mine workers, a time of conflict. >> back in that era, over a third of all workers were part of a union, and unions had real power and real strength. beginning in 1981, under ronald reagan, when he fires the air traffic controllers, destroyed that union that set a real tone and unions have been on the downside ever since. >> larry: have you ever investigated the mines as a subject? >> no. what gary said is true. i grew up in a factory town, flint, michigan, and people, your grandfather worked in the factory, your dad worked in the factory you, were supposed to work notice factory, and i'm sure it's similar in west virginia like that. no one in sherman oaks is thinking, i can't wait to grow up to be a miner. >> larry: no one travels to get a job in the mines but it's well-paying. >> it's a good-paying union job. >> larry: yeah. >> but it is dangerous. and since -- during the bush years, when mining safety was regulated and

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commissioner moore: all of the above. commissioner sugaya: i guess the question is was there -- i mean, if the project sponsor's goal is demolition, as one of the audience members said, there are no alternatives, right? so that is a catch-22. how can you have an objective that is demolition of the building? that is questioning very -- >> those are objectives, but you can certify a document. you can either support the project or not support the project and not embrace all of their objectives. commissioner sugaya: true. i think commissioner more is trying to get to one of the arguments for demolition is that the building cannot be used. the ceilings are too low. the column spacings interfere. we had one architect testified that he thought quite the opposite. it would seem as though the eir should take a look at whether or not the project sponsors supposed substantiation of demolition holds water or not. >> would you like that to be done not only from a feasibility, but as a variant or alternative? is that what you're saying

president miguel: commissioner moore? >> i appreciate the staff's thoughtful analysis and comments made by the commissioners. i think we all feel that this particular church and this growth needs support except the support does not come by us doing what which we really can't do. the recommendation to us comes from the law in anticipation of the development rules which govern the city. what i would suggest, and that is within support of what all commissioners are saying, to work with the supervisor, we find ourselves with access to church properties, vacant properties we're struggling with to maintain and there's no taker for one either remission them or use them for their intended purpose. i can only remember the church in my own neighbor, clay and larkin. very beautiful building. that might be too far away but the city has many church properties which are underutilized or in the process of being abandonned. so i would look for everybody to help identify those properties and help this congregation to find an alternative l

award. >> reporter: bruce springsteen is a previous recipient of the award, and today michael moorereceived the award. >> we were living our own gripes of breath. people have suffered by greedy decisions by companies that think they own the nation. >> reporter: the award was given away by steinbeck's son. >> the award is given to people who are not afraid to say the truth regardless of who disstained that knowledge. >> reporter: while moore's most recent film brought attention to the capitalists, it appears moore didn't know apple's steve wesniack was in the audience. some say his films present his personal agenda instead of exploring the issues. >> i try to on if film do it with as much humor as possible to convince people there might be a better way. >> reporter: moore said in the past he would not make another documentary. he told us tonight he was working on a new project but he won't give us the details on what it is. >>> the city of oakland, kaiser and the city awarded a display to bring attention to domestic violence. city officials say oakland police respond to more than 7,0

commissioner moore? commissioner moore: i see the neighborhoods making a very clear case of what we have had here many times, many hours discussing over and over again. i do believe that the surrounding neighborhoods have a very clearly delineated position of what does or doesn't work for them. i do believe they have pulled themselves up on their shoe strings to create a diversity. i do not believe this is an authoritative body. i take strong opposition to that comment and i do have to say that the department's analysis of the situation is very clear and actually not very difficult to take apart. this area is oversaturated. we also have a letter from the chief strongly recommending against a liquor license here. i would like to make a motion in support of the recommendation and disapprove this conditional use application. president miguel: is there a second? commissioner antonini: second. generally, i am a believer that, you know, it's not necessarily the alcohol, but the behavior. you could put the numb

commissioner moore: aye. commissioner sugaya: aye. >> there is a unanimous vote for both. you are now in general public comment. president miguel: is there any general public items on items not on the agenda? none appearing, public comment is closed and this hearing is over. i feel like all of us are starng to see what the problems in this country are. i think plenty of people are opinionated. i don't think there's many forums where you can really express yourself or try to make a difference or anything. i mean...wha'...whatdo... what do i do, ya' know? the only people that i'm able to affect are the people who care about what i have to say. there is something you can do, but i'm sure it wouldn't be, uh...easy. different man: i get angry about it, but it's like... ya' know, in my own apartment. [laughs] >> hello, i'm meg, welcome to "culture wire." for this episode, the director of cultural affairs, luis, will take you on a journey through presidio has been tet. -- presidio habitat. >> welcome to "culture wire." today i'm at the presidio trust, a treasure within san franci

commissioner moore: aye. >> that motion fails, with commissioners more, so gaya, and -- moore, sugaya, and olague voting agains. this requires a four votes to survive. that has not happened.

commissioner moore. commissioner moore: i would like to ask mr. switzky, have we asked in the last five years ever initiated something prior to an e.i.r., and if so, could you please state the project for me. >> i believe that we have, but i don't believe that initiation requires environmental certification. >> you did it recently on the shipyard project. you initial before you take action on the certification. that's pretty routine. commissioner moore: is that correct, city attorney? >> hold on. hold on. >> kate stacy in the city attorney's office. final certification of the e.i.r. is not required prior to initiation. commissioner moore: thank you. i was interested in some of the disclosure aspect critical issues in the e.i.r. which in that sense would foreclose initiate planning zoning map when i know a plan changes because it is not feasible. that is another issue. i would put in support of what the previous speaker said to the awkward position we are in relative to state and case law. that is indeed the hawkins act which we have gone over a nu

president miguel: commissioner moore? commissioner moore: i think it is a landmark plan. i have read it probably three times from beginning to end and discover something new each time from a physical point of view which is quite remarkable and i think in a city as beautiful as this one is and there is always a real absence about understanding the coordinated street design. and i think this for the first time addressing in it a comprehensive and artistic way. i personally would appreciate and i am not sure if i'm stepping on your toes right now, that you would mention that they have been advising on this project, is that correct? >> they are part of the team. commissioner moore: i do see his handwriting in developing the citywide artistic and comprehensive ideas and i would appreciate if we acknowledge that. he is basically the person who has been holding city planning up at its highest and he's again and his handwriter is clearly readable. thank you, alan. president miguel: commission ee sugaya? commissioner sugaya: yes, this will make me extremely unpopular, i'm sure, bu