morell than the one i just heard. i was not a witness to that so i can't impeach someone's credibility when i don't have any evidence to do it and i wouldn't do so. i just know this. susan rice repeated the internet video narrative and mike morell, despite an e-mail from the station chief in libya that said not, not related to a protest. he chose the intelligence from langley. now, did he do it for legitimate reasons. did he honestly really believe that the boots on the ground in libya were wrong. i cannot speak to that. i can just tell you that he was wrong. >> rose: there's also this. i want you to listen to this because mike morell is a principal character. he said this to me. it's a political football and it's not going to go away until secretary clinton decides what she's going to do. are we simply listening to politics. >> charlie i've been in this town for three years but politics seems to in if he can and invade everything here. even something like the murder of four of our fellow citizens. it doesn't have to

what i would ask mike morel is, -- you have the station chief? why did you ignore the evidence to rely on someone at langley, and what evidence was that person relying upon? held a count of our judgment and live. his judgment was wrong. >> do think the democrats will participate? >> i think they will because their constituents still have questions. i don't want to be naÏve. i don't think you have to be a republican or democrat or have any logical affiliation to realize what happened in benghazi should not have happened. you can draw different inferences from those facts. what everyone is going to conclude, somebody ought to have thess to the witnesses and documents. so far we have had neither. >> what would satisfy you? cant that you would believe put this question to rest? as to who said what, when, and why? >> a process that inspires confidence in viewers. that is important to me as a prosecutor. i want the process to be fair. i also want access to every witness that has knowledge about what happened in benghazi and the aftermath. i want access

morel than the one that i just heard. i was not witness to that. i can't impeach someone's credibility. i wouldn't do so. i just know this. susan rice repeated the internet video narrative and mike morel, despite an e-mail from the station chief in libya that said not related to a protest, he chose the intelligence from langley. did he do it for legitimate reasons, did he believe that the boots on the ground in libya were wrong? i can't speak to that. he was wrong. >> there is this. i want you to listen to this. mike morel is a principal character in this. he said this to me in an interview. it is not going to go away until secretary clinton makes a decision about what she is going to do. are we looking at politics? >> i've only been in this town three years. politics seems to infect and invade everything here. even something like the murder of four fellow citizens. it doesn't have to be that way. i would tell my colleagues on the other side at least let us have our first hearing. before you dismiss it as typical d.c. politics, to me facts are not

had tommy vieter the one who made the infamous dude remark to bret baier the other night and mike morellwho testified before congress last month did. they contradict each other? >> it would seem so. we don't know what's behind it whenever the journalists you see these contradictions that seem unexplained makes you look for more there tommy vieter in his interview with bret last week did change substantive parts of the talking points he acknowledged that in the interview. if you look back to what jay carney had said for over a year as well as to what the former deputy director of the cia mike morell testified to in sworn testimony before congress last month, they both were very explicit and a insisted repeatedly that the only change the white house made was not substantive, it was changing the word "consulate" to "diplomatic post" they didn't mention anything fly in the face of the insistences that they have made since september 11th, 2012. >> what did tommy change and why is it significant? >> according to his interview that he did with fox last week, he introduced an additional thought

but now, bp vice president geoff morell says the oil giant is getting soaked by businesses with losseshat are not linked to the spill. >> geoff morell: we're talking about a wireless phone company store that burned to the ground and shut down before the spill, an rv park owner that was foreclosed upon before the spill. and i love this one-- a pontiac dealer who could no longer sell pontiacs because gm had discontinued the line before the spill. >> pelley: those are all real examples and they are people who actually got a check? >> morell: those are all real examples and are, frankly, not exceptions but rather emblematic of a far larger problem. there are more than 1,000 claims just like them that had glaring red flags associated with them that should have been picked out by the claims administrator, and instead were ultimately awarded more than $500 million. >> pelley: that's how bp adds it up, but the new claims administrator, pat juneau, says bp is getting what it asked for. juneau's "deepwater horizon" claims center replaced ken feinberg-- same job, new rules. bp makes it sound like

lou: morell for his part has not always been consistent in telling his story. you remember in november, 2012, he blamed the fbi for key changes in the talking points, that blamed the nonic isetan protests for -- ex it is tan protests for the attack and morell for record works for seeks. as a national -- cbs as a national security analyst where the news president is brother of white house staffer be ben rhod. >> a surge in al qaeda affiliates in middle east and north africa, now pose a threat to the united states, report finds there has been a 40% increase and terrorist attack, worldwide, between 2012, and 2013. the state department singled out iran, reiterating it is a major state sponsor of terrorism that continues to defy debands to prove its nuclear ambitions are peaceful. all this as an increasing number of americans say they don't' america to be the world's police. or nation builders. this according to a new "wall street journal" nbc news poll, 47% said we should reduce our level of international engagement. 19% said we should be more active. 30% said our

michael morell testified about what he change and what was changed in those e-mails. in the whole process of that. >> but the talking points went through the public affairs people, which is kind of unique. >> but these are the most well-understood and discussed talking points in the history of talking points. and michael morell testified that he took them back, didn't like them and changed them. >> here's also what he says in that testimony. >> it was probably days later that i read what she said on the shows. >> and what was your reaction when you finally did? >> my reaction was twofold. one was that what she said about the attacks evolving spontaneously from a protest was exactly what the talking points said and it was exactly what the intelligence community analysts believed. when she talked about the video, my reaction was that's not something that the analysts have attributed this attack to. >> so they didn't say video. and cia didn't say it. it came from where? >> guys quoted in newspapers saying that's why they were there. >> the white house. >> no. it came fro

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morels are so rare -- they sell for more than 45 dollars pound. but park rangers at yosemite are turning away the mushroom hunters because it's still too dangerous to re-open the forest due to falling trees and rock slides. that's not stopping some of the fungi fans - who have been ticketed and fined 350 bucks for entering the forest. >> the could still turn a profit. if they pay for the air crimes with those mushroom payments. gramm of your mind is doing that math early. we continue to see the rain coming in from the south. it will be heavy in to some portions of indiana. the good news is, yesterday we saw the heaviest of the rain to the north. early this morning we are seeing the heaviest of the rain to the south. not the same area. as a look at our radar you can see we have a front moving through lifting into the latter portion. the front should pass close to 10:00 a.m.. chance of showers early maybe even some thunderstorms then we begin to dry out. temperatures are at 67 degrees right now. wind out of the south at 13 mi.. that wind will shift

and when it comes to mike morell and the statements that he made, they're interesting in a couple offferent ways. he's a crafty guy. he speaks with great deliberateness. and when he talked about the poll numbers, a lot of americans would like to find out exactly what happened here and i would disagree with leslie on the merits of this investigation. we found out a lot in the interim since the last investigation. but one of the things that mike morell said that i thought was pretty interesting is that the intelligence community didn't politicize the benghazi episode. now, in doing that, i speak fluent washington. and in doing that, what he was doing was in effect pointing the finger at the white house and the state department when it comes to who politicized it. we now know that the cia didn't put that videotape in there. so someone else did. >> maybe in the select committee, we'll finally find out the answers to all those questions. in the meantime, former president bill clinton now weighing in on speculation about his wife, hillary's health after she suffered a concussion in 2012. h

. >> it was just what morell said last month, when he heard that, he said that's not what our analyst said, right? >> john, you are wrong. if you look at that document, that document that we're talking about today was about the overall environment in the muslim world. >> so kg, a couple of things he does today, carney, it's about a broader situation which they don't believe. then he brings up promos from other shows. >> it's embarrassing day for him. i don't know, it's terrifying to watch and we do know for a fact that he was in on the white house communication in the emails because it was sent to the whole communication staff, so i mean please stop, it's so embarrassing. my god, tender your resignation and put something on yours resume to get a job because this is no -- not good for him or the whole administration. >> as a prosecutor, tell me exactly what's in these documents that is so awful? >> my point is would you have seen dana perino go out there and make these kind of false statements despite knowing facts to the contrary to hold someone accountable? >> i don't know if that --

staffer is david rhf seeks news, and the man pro drafted cia talking points, mike morell, is now workings a analyst for seek cbs news it mue a coincidence that morell is afilliated with beacon global strategys, a washington consulting firm with close ties to former secretary of state hillary clinton. whose name you may have noticeed is hardly mentioned by washington official dom in connection with benghazi terrorist attack. that too must be another in what must have become a very long line of coincidences. time for a few of your comments. a surprise for authors of e-mails, tweets and facebook post, you receive one of very first copys of my newer book "border war" my first thriller, written with hig my cowriter jim born, your thought, last night we asked if you would vote for a member of a former president's family, how did a country with over 300 million citizens end up with a gene pool of president potentials the size of a dixie cup, i love that. we'll send you two books for that one, maggie e-mailed, i do not think our country needs a family of kings and queens. >> bill said, maybe we

and morell now for the record now works for cbs as a national security analyst where that news division president is the brother of white house staffer ben rhodes. the crony conflicts begin to add up. the obama administration's troubles don't end there. a new state department report reporting a surge of al qaeda affiliates now pose a serious threat to the united states. the report finds there has been a 40% increase and terrorist attacks worldwide between 2012 and 2013. the state department singled out iran reiterating it's a major state sponsored terrorism that continues to defy demands to prove its nuclear ambitions are entirely peaceful. all this as an increasing number of americans say they don't want america to be the world's police or nation builders. this according to a new poll, 47% say we should reduce our level of international engagement, 19% say we should be more active, while 30% say our involvement should remain the same. for more now on the obama administration's foreign policy failures, the latest developments in the benghazi scandal, we are joined by former u.s. ambassa

you mad mike morell -- you had mike morell say the intelligence community didn't give the video theory. that was the white house. martha: judicial watch got their hands on unredacted versions. that's what has blown this whole thing open. what can we expect from john boehner in terms of wanting to hear from john kerry. >> i think john boehner was very strong when he said the white house concealed these documents. that's a strong allegation, a well founded allegation. you can see john boehner ratcheting up the pressure and becoming increasingly frustrated by what has clearly been an effort by the white house, the administration, to with hold document from congress. the house oversight reform committee which originally subpoenaed these documents received in the past month 3,200 pages of new documents. so for people who want to say benghazi is an old story and we know everything there, it's simply not true. when i hear people say that i think they just don't know what they are talking about. martha: the house oversight committee wanted seen a power for a long time. but they didn't get supp

. >> youtube video, michael morell testified before the senate cia analysts, their analysis was it was spontaneous attack. obviously we know now that it was a terrorist attack. but you said there was not a scintilla of evidence that the video was at hand or that it was not preplanned, and here we have the cia director saying the cia thought the video might be part of it that was a theory and it was spontaneous. >> what i took his -- that clip you played to mean was that they were musing because i can tell you september 12th, the state department sent ant e-mail, beth jones, according to the libyan ambassador, think was ansar al sharia. mike morrell testified before a house committee, he was shocked susan rice mentioned the video because none of their intelligence connected the video. you are have three options, preplanned premeditated, it was a spontaneous uprising or you have that it was linked to the video. morrell will tell you there's no evidence linging it to the video and he was shocked rice said that not the day after benghazi but five days after benghazi, where morell would def

look, at 11:15 that morning, morell, mike morell, the deputy director of the cia sent ben rhodes an email saying this was a spontaneous event. at 11:15 that morning. at 8:00 that night, 8:09 precisely that night, ben sent his email out, remember, this was a spontaneous event caused by video, not a, you know, not a failure of the administration. so, what i'm saying is, i still don't know where that, where did the talking, where did those talking points come from? were they from the intelligence community and then the political op communicators in the white house spread, believing in them? and i don't know the answer to that but, we don't have the answer, i mean, these are legitimate questions but i wouldn't go as far as charles had to say it is a cover-up of a cover-up. i just, i don't believe that the political, that this was such a political threat to the president that they would do that but, hey, i'm giving them benefit of the doubt where plenty of people will not. jon: ed, if it wasn't a political threat to the president why worry so much about characterizing it as -- >> first it was

morel. there's a desire to get to the bottom of this or areas to be cleared.we have been over and over again in these talking points. i was hopi i'm afraid that's probably not where this is headed. i think it's very interesting that the republicans have decided to have mike morel, the target here rather than general petraeus who he was the head of the cia at the time and gave us the same briefing as mike morel. i think they are picking and choosing their targets. maybe they don't want to go after someone of general petraeus stature but it isn't consistent given we got the same information from both. >> all right. i want to switch gears and talk about the nsa bill that the house passed on thursday which has been considered a gutted bill because it makes no changes. is it purely symbolic? >> no, it isn't. it ends the program. that's a very significant step. it goes to a model that i've been advocating for quite some time. it requires the government to go to the courts to get approval. those are very substantial reforms. there are other things i've been pushing i

morell has stated the deputy head of the c.i.a. at that time, that he was astonished to hear that there was reference made on all five sunday morning shows that there was a hateful video involved. so mr. carney is -- he is saying things that are absolutely false. the american people deserve better than that from the president's spokesperson whom he should they rely on for accurate information. when the bodies came home and it was a moving event, i was there, the -- then-secretary of state told members of the family and have told me that she said we will get these people who were responsible for the hateful video. that was a number of days later when it was absolutely proven to anyone's satisfaction there was no hateful video. and, of course, we still don't know what the final version of the talking points that susan rice used on all morning talk shows, who was the final arbiter of it. we know now that mr. rhodes played a very key role in that. and we need to know who gave her those talking points because they are patently false. an

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what vietor says contradicts what morel testified about. vietor said more talking points were changed. >> clearly that memo -- the e-mail also reveals just how high up and how soon after all of this was -- took place that the administration -- they laid out exactly what their public strategy was going to be for spinning this thing. and they very much stuck with it. i think that these hearings can have an opportunity to bring out lots more e-mails that we don't know about, if they've been successfully holding this thing back for this long, no telling what else there is that they've been holding back. but also i do think that to some degree this is a political event. and that's part of the whole process. it's not necessarily a bad thing. obviously republicans can go too far with it. but the important thing is that if they're able to shine a light on just how -- what we already know is pretty shocking. and if this is a vehicle by which republicans can shine a light on that, i think that's a useful thing in pa republican democracy. >> one thing

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they show that the white house and not just the cia know acting director mike morel took part in the alteration but the white house, highest levels in the white house altered those talking points to remove references to al-qaeda, to it being a terrorist attack and for the crass political purpose of shielding a presidential campaign. >> many of your former colleagues in the cia where you work, i am curious of how they reacted to the fact they were scrape goated through the whole process and it was their fault and they changed the talking points and they said don't send anyone in and change the security, i have to think that there are people deep in the agency who are utterly frustrated and angry they are blamed for things over which they had no control. could you speak to that and tell me is that an accurate assess am? >> i have been out of the cia for many years, i would expect many good and patriotic people serving there that are frustrated by what happened in libya and in benghazi. i would have to say in in addition to the talking points which the cia participated, think about the

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deputy director morel would be writing a talking point that said it was a spontaneous protest. you had military and cia officials saying it was an attack and not a protest. >> clearly the obama administration and hillary clinton campaign if there is such a thing, would like the store tore to go away. jay carney's exasperation every time a question of benghazi comes, it shoes. he tries to suggest that it is dealt with can old news. why is the story not going away? >> well, there are new facts and the old questions don't get answered. a scandal only continues if there are new fact ands there is significance to the ben rhed ones talking points that he wrote for a prep session perfect susan rice came on fox news sunday and other shoes. thesis are talking poips. and no question about it. referring five times directly to the video. the video that sparked the protest in a number of the places. he asked a specific question about bepg bengin the talking points, giving both the question and how susan rice should answer it. jay carney can talk until he is blue in the face that these are t

the former deputy cia director michael morel testified in april that it was rice to link the attacks.not the c. ia. >> what she said about the attacks evolving spontaneously from a protest was exactly what the talking points said and it was exactly what the intelligence community analysts believed. when she talked about the video, my reaction was that's not something that the analysts have attributed this attack to. >> an independent review of more than 4,000 social media postings has shown the video was a nonevent in libya with the first reference after the attack. >> what did is said about the shifting explanations? >> she goes on to write, every step of the way, whenever something new was learn, it was quickly shared with congress and the american people. there is a difference between getting something wrong and committing wrong. but on september 18th, 2012, a review of the camera showed there was no protest and this was known to the cia. yet a week later, at the u.n., the president was still relying on the flawed explanation. >> there are no words that excuse the killing of nnts.

why would morell making changes to the talking point that differ with his then boss, why isn't the head of the cia doing this? why is the deputy director able to overrule him? why is the white house working with him on this effort to massively overhaul those talking points? i think there are a lot of unexplained things that we still need to know answers to. >> we both live in washington. if there are four unsolved murders in georgetown right now from september 11th, 2012 it would still be front page news at the washington post and other places. >> yeah, i think. >> this is not front page news. >> i would say regardless of the spin from the opinion blogs that get picked up and they're trying to counter this story because their surrogates are representing those they feel are being accused, despite that spin, a neutral look at this story will look at it as a very important story in history. when it's looked back upon and the journalist -- those of us that didn't cover it as aggressively as i think we should have won't be viewed kindly in a neutral view of history down the road. >> does the

. >> frankly, we need more schools and morel chews. there are so many students we just can't cope with the demand. >> it is clear many here are determined to learn, and although the threats of violence is very real, the facts so many young people come to classes is a sign of just how much has changed in the valley, since the end of taliban rule. elana was born in pakistan, she focused on advocate. elana, welcome. >> thank you. >> hi. >> you work with a lot of the children and communities in pack span, are families scared to send their children to school especially girls? >> i say they are in some areas probably in the northwest frontier and some of the villages in the swat valley where the taliban are still quite prominent. they are scared. the taliban is insisting that their education is against -- islamic religion. and a lot of these parents are even ill lit rate and they carry on believing that concept. so they do whatever they can to try to stop the kids from going to school. is the afghanistan military doing enough to protect the

red eye returns tomorrow with sam morel. >> she add sex in the sky with her parents nearby.tish woman is, there any other kind? was caught joining the mile high club on the virgin atlantic flight a trip with her mom and dad during the flight the woman hit it off with a stranger next door who might have been clive owenss. they went to the bathroom together and not discreet prompting the flight crew to break up the romp. her parents watched their care free daughter get handcuffed to a chair. she was released with a warning and perhaps chlamidya. >> if it happened on the way to las vegas? that is when you're an ambassador. i didn't think of that. >> she wanted her trip to start off with a bang. >> it's so true. >> and her parents? >> they took a xanax. they were out. >> i think she took an ambien and had a drink. that is why this happens all the weird stuff happens because you mixed a sleeping aid with alcohol. right? >> absolutely. i don't understand how the spell of sun chips and rage... >> you left out it was inside of the bathroom with that blue inky brown thing. >> you're

and went out to dennis mcdonagh and the head of the cia, and michael morel who was a deputy directorf the cia, all about how to handle a fox news report and that report said within 24 hours of the benghazi attack that the white house knew it was not related to the utube movie. it sounds like the white house. i am sorry in campaign mode trying to spin. it would be interesting for vowers to know that when the white house looks at news coverage. it is common for stories to be circulated and debate about what they mean for the white house image. not only on benghazi but the health care law and anything on the white house's plate that day. i would have to look at the e-mails to see if the seven pamgingly were a strategy discussion that was out of ordinary for the white house. the real question is why the white house didn't put it out in the document disclosures. and that is the bulk of the conservative criticism. it feeds in the white house not being transparent. >> and you might like to so the seven page e-mail on the fox news coverage. apparently you are not going to at least not yet. t

top guy mike morell said under oath in front of congress.ly changed one word, from consulate to diplomatic facility. tommy in that interview, unless he was tremendously mistaken, suggested that he changed a couple of things and it was no big deal. listen, there is a focus on these talking points because this is this new e-mail from ben rhodes and we've talked about the significance of prepping the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. for those five sunday talk shows and the white house says it wasn't about benghazi. that doesn't really pass the smell test with reporters in the white house and all over. the important thing is what comes out next, because it's going to be new information that drives this story. not the rehash. i think there may be other documents. there is a d.i.a. document that will come out, we're told, very soon that also paints a picture of what they knew in the first moments of that attack. it's important to point out, brian, that these other committees had subpoena power, but this one will have subpoena power, but be more focused

report to white house terrorism advise sorry john brennan and former deputy director cia michael morell and ben rhodes who pushed the email about the video. >> the administration has been very worried about telling the truth about benghazi because of the timing of benghazi of the significance is that people were informed in the white house this was a coordinated terrorist attack by a al qaeda affiliate. they understood the political damage that could happen to the president seven weeks before the election. what republicans and others may say about a failed foreign policy so they took that, took the truth and changed it. they misled the american people. they told the story best for the president, not best for the truth. and there has to be some accountability there. they have been worried about fox and others not giving up on this. let me tell you when it comes to hillary clinton i don't believe for a second she could not have known about the deteriorating security in benghazi. that she didn't know about the additional security requests that go all the way back to august. but we have to

it went to the acting director of the cia, mike morell. it also went to john brennan. and significantly it also went to ben rhodes who said on september 14th that there was a link between benghazi and that video. >> thank you. kathryn is reporting and please join us this weekend for a special look at the latest benghazi developments. "fox news" reporting benghazi, white house coverup reveal can be seen tonight 9 p.m. eastern time. zat 10 p.m. and sunday. >> violence is escalating in korean. police say odessa clash had a fire that killed 31 people. talk from world leaders on all sides continues to be pessimistic. >>. >> reporter: the situation in eastern korean continued to deteriorate with pro russian forces shooting down two government helicopters and displaying observers for the organization for security for cooperation in europe had been kidnapped. at his news conference, president obama demanded their release. >> they have been pay raided in front of the media and forced to make statements at the force of a barrel of a gun. it's disgraceful. >> vladimir putin said

very clearly show that the white house itself not just the cia as we now know acting director mike morell took part in the alteration of the talking points too, but the white house, at the highest levels in the white house, altered those talking points to remove references to al qaeda, to it being a terrorist attack, and for the crass political purpose of shielding a presidential campaign. >> many of your former colleagues at the cia where you were for a number of years -- i'm curious as to how they have reacted to the fact that they have essentially been scapegoated through this whole process, that it was their fault that they change the talking points, that they were the ones who said don't send anyone in, don't change the security. i have to think that there are people deep in the agency who are utterly just frustrated and angry that they have been blamed for something's over which they had no control. could you speak fottle and tell me, is that an accurate assessment? >> well, you know, i've been out of the cia for many years now but i would expect that there are many good and patriot

morel, with petraeus, with susan rice.t need to spend a lot more time on this. harry reid, pigs will fly when harry reid -- >> agrees to that. i know. we were just showing the video of when you were in benghazi in 2011. you were actually walking with ambassador chris stevens. and that's very eerie to see that video now that he has passed. this is personal for you on many levels. if harry reid does not take this up -- and i know you doubt that he will -- how does the senate get involved, then? >> well, i believe we have every chance of taking the majority in 2014, this november, and beginning next january, i would work with senator corker, who would be chairman of the foreign relations committee, senator bur, chairman of the intelligence committee, i would to chairman of the armed services committee. and i guarantee you will go after. we owe it to those family members. i've met with those family members. it breaks your heart, especially the mothers. >> we've interviewed them here on trss the as well. growing calls for eric

>> so we had talking points ahod mike morell said i had no idea where that word tape came from.e said that he was worried it would be embarrassing to the state department. that doesn't sound like somebody who is trying to get out the truth about what's going on in benghazi. you would the station chief himself say it had nothing to do with a video and that that led to some sort of mob that got out of control. >> one thing, you guys got to help gregory hicks 'cause his career is all screwed up because believe. but today, you're going to talk to general lovely -- lovell. what is he going to say about these giocoso have been saved or at least helped? >> we got to hear it from his own lips. but i think generally what happened is they were waiting for hillary clinton and the state department to offer some direction. they were there in a support mission to the state didn't. what did hillary clinton direct? what did she wants? what was her communication with the president? ends up hillary clinton didn't even speak with the president that night. so you have air force -- the pentagon and

. >> which i should add in direct contradiction to what mike more morell, acting director of the ciasaid a month ago in a hearing which we are now hearing about 19 months later after there have been many opportunities for the white house to release this information and to provide these emails. it took a lawsuit. >> i think that the american people would have understood if the white house had said yes, of course, we were trying to protect the president. even if they had just said, this you know, after the election said well, maybe we shouldn't have tried to do that we were trying to help the president. i actually think that people probably would have forgiven them. they insisted that they had nothing to do pushing the video from the white house. we now know that is not true. i do not think it will wash for jay carney to try to suggest that the email labeled benghazi was not about benghazi when he they were prepping her for questions about benghazi. if they believe that, then the white house press corps has lost all credibility. but they haven't. i mean, you saw that briefing today. th

. >> but he lied about morell's testimony, as recently as yesterday. >> and we have a fact check and no doubt about it. i'm not sluffing that off. i'm just saying it's one of many important issues obviously. i watch "the five" every day. you don't talk about benghazi every single day. and when you do it might be one segment. >> almost. >> almost, yeah. maybe. but if you do, i suspect there's going to be a segment after me that's not going to be about benghazi so there's a mix of issues. so it's an important issue but not the only issue. >> bob? >> we have benghazi jackets we wear. >> which is good. >> i did make shirts. >> it seems to me a couple of fundamental things came out here, and that is that when carney said the cia -- they used some of the cia talking points, cia said they did not. so clearly you have to take one or the other. i'm going to rely on what the cia said about it. so that talking point did not get in there from the cia more than likely. second, the information you have now is sthe commander of afrr i con saying they could have gotten there, they're not sure. they

they're going to participate in that house committee investigating the deadly terror attacks, mike morel says he actually endorses the new benghazi panel saying, quote, it might be surprising for you to hear me say this, but, i'm a supporter of the creation of this committee because i want all the facts to come together in one place and be presented as one, by one entity as one thing so the american people can see all this. joining me now is stephen with "the washington times". >> he's pasturing a sentiment out there from folks. a lot of these questions haven't been answered. his point is, let's match up the facts. all the investigations have been compartmentalized. if we bring them together, maybe we'll get a full picture to tamp down some of the speculation and conspiracy theories and get us answers to the questions that are absolutely still out there. >> what are you hearing on capitol hill with regard to whether or not democrats, five of them, or just one, are going to join this panel? >> we still don't know. nancy pelosi, this decision rests with her and with her caucus. you capture