mags and i go back to -- >> moselle. >> moselle. >> the jury heard about miss rask talking about you bringing krispy kreme doughnuts to your dad. >> maggie loved them. she would spoil my dad and always, always taking him something. my dad loved sweets. and she and i picked up doughnuts and took them krispy kreme doughnuts to him. >> and then you spend the night together at moselle on sunday night? did you both spend the night at moselle on sunday night? >> yes. >> and then the 7th was a workday? >> that's right. it was a monday. monday june 7th. >> i'll rephrase it. >> i'm sorry. >> was monday the 7th a workday for you? >> yes. >> okay. >> and i just wanted to -- in the background, moving forward to when you testified previously about maggie asking you to go to the kennels, were you tired? >> oh, yes, i was tired. >> and you had just had a shower. >> just had a shower. >> and you said that, well, did you go with maggie to the kennels? >> no. >> immediately? >> no, i did not. >> what did you do, when did she leave? >> yes, she did. she left and paul paul was gone. >> do you know how s

>> that is correct. >> did you drive straight back to moselle? >> i did. >> now, alex, there is some information from the telemetry data off of the suburban and perhaps some of the onstar gps data that indicates that at some point in your mother's driveway that you stopped for a minute. do you recall seeing that data? >> i do. >> what were you doing when you stopped? do you recall? >> i was getting my phone that i had gotten my phone, and there is a console in the middle of my car and my phone had gotten down in the console and the seat where you could not get to it. >> okay. were you -- during that minute or however long it was, were you disposing of murder weapons, alex? >> no. >> were you disposing of bloody clothes? >> no. >> and your ride back to moselle, was it -- were you driving faster than normal, normal? >> i was driving however i drive. normal way that i drive. >> when you got back to the moselle property, how did you enter in the property? what entrance did you use? >> i came right back through the main gate. >> what did you do then?

>> i know we took a shower at moselle. we basically got up and went to moselle. maggie's mom and dad -- because >> they were there? >> they were coming. to see them. we got up. we got up from alameda, and we left and went to moselle. >> and do you even recall coming in and searching the house for anything? on the eighth. >> i knew that -- i knew that they were doing it, yeah. i knew they were doing it. but i don't remember -- i was not out in that gun room and seeing all the video and all that. but i knew that they were coming in there. we made the house available for them to come in there. so -- i mean, i cannot tell you details, but yeah, i remember it. >> you at one point -- anywhere, anytime -- >> i said they could do anything anywhere, anytime that that they wanted to. anything to do with me, my property, my cars. i would get my law firm on them. they had full -- whatever they wanted, they were welcome to. >> and the did you have any discussion with david owen or anybody about consenting to general motors to get that off the car? >> every time that i talked

>> 4147 moselle road. >> what's going on out there? >> my housekeeper has fallen and her head is bleeding. i cannot get her up. >> okay, where did she fall from? >> she fell going up the steps, up the brick steps . >> gloria satterfield had been the murdaugh family's housekeeper and essentially a nanny to alex murdaugh's kids for about 20 years and was treated very much like a family member herself. several years ago, there was an accident at the murdaugh home. according to them, you know, the murdaugh family dog accidentally knocked her down the stairs, and she ended up passing away from her injuries. at or after her funeral, apparently alex murdaugh approached her sons. and he's like, hey, look, i'm sorry about what happened, and i'm going to make sure you get taken care of. don't worry, i have insurance. he had apparently a $500,000 liability policy and a multimillion-dollar umbrella policy on his home. and he told them that if they would go visit his friend cory fleming, cory would get the satterfield boys some money. fleming broug

and i mean, moselle was fully in maggie's name. >> okay. >> but yes, there was equity in moselle. looking at the documents that had been used, there was a million $800,000 owed, there was an appraisal for 3.3 million without timber value, and so on 1700 acres, you know, i don't know what the timber value was, but if you just said $1,000 an acre, that would be another million something dollars in value over and above the appraisal. i doubt the timber value was that high, i'm using that as example. 500, another $800,000. so, several million dollars in equity in that moselle property. >> all right. and did you have equity in the edisto beach house? >> yes. >> how much equity in the beach house? >> if i remember the records correctly, there was about $250,000 owed on that house, and whatever the value was at the time. i think -- i think there's a contract for just under a million dollars, so -- 700 something thousand dollars. >> did maggie's death make it more difficult to obtain financing immediately after the murder, around june 7, 8th? >> maggie's -- yes. >> how so? >> because the

and i had clothes at moselle. >> so your clothes -- yes, sir. >> last question? >> no, this -- >> so were your clothes spread out a lot of different places? >> yes. >> all right. >> thank you. >> we'll break for lunch, and return at -- in an hour and 15 minutes. please do not discuss the case. >> we have been watching this walterboro south carolina courtroom live. that is alex murdaugh taking a rare high stakes risk testifying on his own behalf for more than two hours now in his double murder trial including admitting he lied repeatedly to investigators about where he was that night. but he denied killing his wife maggie and their younger son paul. he broke down when he was asked to talk about the moment he found them dead. >> i saw what y'all have seen pictures of. so bad. >> nbc's catie beck has been closely covering this trial and joins me from outside the courthouse in walterboro. also with me kristin gibbens feden a former prosecutor and paul butler former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. catie, we mentioned how rare it is for a defendant in a mur

turned into moselle about 10:01? >> turned into moselle at 10:01? >> yeah. sorry. >> it looks like i turned into moselle at 10:00. >> on the dot? >> yes, sir. >> at the house at 10:05? >> yes, sir. >> that's when you went back to the kennels after you came back from almeda, correct? >> i went to the kennels after i went to the house. i went from almeda to the house to the kennels. >> when you got to the scene, you got out of the car, according to what you told law enforcement repeatedly, and went and checked the bodies, correct? before you called 911, is that correct? >> no, sir, that's not correct. >> you are saying you didn't say that to law enforcement? >> i don't know what i said to law enforcement. i can tell you this. i pulled up and i saw maggie and paul. i jumped out of that car. i went back to my car and i called 911 as quickly as i could. that point in time when i got on the phone, then is when i went to them and did the things that i did. what you are saying is not accurate. >> you are not saying you said to law enforcement that you went to them p

did you ever spend another night in moselle after june 7th? >> never spent another night at moselle. >> why not? >> i couldn't. didn't want to. >> ok. where were you staying -- we talked about the days and weeks, the week afterwards, but where were you staying? when you got back from the lake and greenville? >> i stayed -- when i got back from greenville, so that would be the -- that would be, so the first week up until my dad's funeral, then -- all right, so that would be the second week -- after -- i know bus and i, stayed with grandma and papa t as much as i could, you know. i stayed with -- i stayed with my brother randy a lot. i stayed with my brother john a lot. bus and i stayed at edisto a little bit, but either with my brother randy and his wife christie or i stayed with my brother john and his wife lizzie, and at that time buster was -- buster worked for wild wing at that time and they had been so kind to him and gave him -- they let him be off just for -- ridiculous amount of time, they were so good to him, so he stayed with me. when

>> i turned in at moselle 10:01? >> yeah, sorry. >> it looks like i turned in moselle at 10:00. >> 10:00 on the dot. >> yes, sir. >> at the house 10:05? >> yes, sir. >> then, that is when you went back to the kennels after coming back from alameda, correct? >> i went to the kennels after i went to the house. i went from alameda to the house to the kennels. >> and we got to the scene, you got out of the car according to what you told law enforcement repeatedly and went and checked the bodies, correct? before you called 911, is that correct? >> no, sir, that is not correct. >> are you saying you didn't say that to law enforcement? >> i don't know what i said to law enforcement but i can tell you this, i pulled off, and i saw mags and paul-paul, and i jumped out of that car. then i went back to my car and i called 911 as quickly as i co could. at that point in time when i got on the phone, then is when i went to them and did the things that i did. so what you are saying is not accurate. >> you're saying that you didn't

moselle was in maggie's name. substantial equity in that that could have been borrowed against. so under the terms as you defined liquid assets just now, money i would have access to, i disagree with on that -- for those reasons that i just said. >> can we at least agree that generally the way the compensation structure for legitimate money you earned in your law firm, the vast majority of your compensation comes in one lump sum in december. can we agree? >> we get a salary. we would receive a salary. i believe our salary was $125,000. and then the income that was earned would be paid in the form of a bonus at the year end. >> all right. and then would you agree with me that that is why you stole the ferris fees in march of 2021 because you were in desperate need of funds and you could not wait until december to access those funds? >> i think there is probably a lot of reasons why i stole those funds but i certainly would believe or don't dispute that that's one of the reasons. >> would you agree with me that the $792,000 that you stole of those ferris funds that you exhausted t

>> well, that's what it says he arrives at moselle road, the address of the shop, the house is 4157.ere a little bit before that, but i think that's approximately accurate. i think paul got there a little bit closer to 7:00. >> all right. >> you would agree that's the earliest data point that reflects his presence in moselle. >> if that's what the records show? you don't dispute that? >> i don't dispute that -- if that's the earliest data point. but, again, i believe he got there a little bit earlier. and i tried to look at his records to see if i could -- if that could be refuted, and i believe he got there a little closer to 7:00 or a little bit before 7:00. >> you looked at these records a lot before you had your testimony yesterday and today, didn't you, mr. murdaugh? >> i looked at these records other than the onstar records that just came when they were provided to me. sure i looked at them. >> right here, we have some steps on your phone, 29 steps. and then down at the bottom, we have 89 steps. is that consistent with you and paul together on the property? >> i mean, sure, we

it is very close to moselle road and close to the driveway of the shop and the kennels. >> did you spende at the shop? >> oh, yes. the shop was, and i mean, that was sort of the hub. that was the main place. if you weren't at the house, you might be out going to this field or this food plot or this duck pond or this part of the river, but the shop is where the kennels were located, and you know, that is where you were always there. something was always going on there, and you were always doing something there. that is where all of the tools were, and this is where all of the equipment was kept. that is the main hub. >> right. >> so we were there that day. i mean, it was a point in time that we unloaded a bulldozer that had been on a different part of the property, and it was on the trailer and we unloaded it and sprayed it down, and that is one of the many things that we did that day. >> one of the many things that the jury has seen that day is a snap chat of you doing something with a tree. do you remember that? >> oh, yeah. >> what was happening there? >> that is just part of when we w

. >> now you mentioned that trip to moselle, scene of the murders, murdaugh family property.the state is finished with its reply. >> much more to come, diane, thank you. joining me is cnn joey jackson. criminal defense attorney. let's start, diane just leafing off, next thing that could come could be the jury making this trip to moselle property. the scene of the crime, if you will, where both alex murdaugh's wife and son were murdered. how impactful is it when the jury heads to the crime scene. defense argued for it, state against it, why? >> yeah, so kate, good morning. very impactful why? what are trials about? bringing the jury to where the incident occurred. where the crime occurred. so you do that by showing pictures. you do that by video. there is nothing more important, more relevant than bringing the jury there. you can argue some jurors will have formed conclusions and will based upon the visit to the property confirm the notions they believe happened or you could argue some minds will be changed based upon how it is laid out. defense wants to bring them there to go

. >> and before closing arguments take place, the jury is actually going to be given a tour of moselleing estate that the murdaugh family owned and also where maggie and paul murdaugh were fatally shot. john. >> john: jonathan, thank you, from south carolina. >> sandra: criminal defense attorney jonna spilbor, i feel like the country is captivated this, and if you were not into it a while ago, you are now because of the twists and turns. where are you, did he do it? >> i surprised you a little bit. i don't think the prosecution has proven that he's guilty. the evidence doesn't support that he's guilty of murder. my opinion, the evidence supports he's guilty of a liar, a cheat, took down his entire law firm, cheated his clients, a bad guy but far cry to being a double murderer in the way the two people were murdered. >> sandra: why are there no other suspects then? >> good question. that's because the prosecution never bothered to look. and that's been a theme in the defense case all along. they put their sights on alec murdaugh, they never ever investigated any other potential suspects

the state was oppose oddd to th visit to moselle, because they say that the trees are thicker, and iticture of june of 2021. but we know that people had gone to the property over the weekend and dozens of people, according to the defense to take selfies at the feedroom where paul murdaugh was killed. so the defense is wanting the property to be secure for the jury to visit. and we know that alex murdaugh after more than 20 months of lying to investigators admitted on the previously story to police that he was having a nap, but then he said that according to other stories that he was looking at his phone which showed a lot of steps. listen to this. >> you agree that from 9:02 to 9:06, your phone comes to life and shows a lot of steps? >> i agree with that. >> what were you doing? >> i was getting ready to go to my mom's house. >> that is more steps than you have seen prior to this state, so what were you so busy doing? going to the bathroom? >> no, i don't think that -- >> did you get on the treadmill? >> no. i was not on the treadmill. what i don't think that i was doing is anything t

. >> the 12-year-old 5-2 people that happened to know paul and maggie were at moselle on june 7th, knew they would be at the kennels, and that you would not be there, but only between 8:49 and 9:02, show up without a weapon, assuming they would find weapons and ammunition there, commit the crime during the short time window and then travel the same exact route you do around the same time to alameda, that's what you are trying to tell this jury? >> you got a lot of factors in there, mr. waters. all of which i do not agree with but some of which i do. >> all right. >> you testified earlier that after this happened -- let me back up just real quick. when you were driving to and from alameda, being why were you in such a hurry, where are you rolling 70, 80 miles an hour down that dark beat-up road. >> i wasn't in such a hurry. >> you weren't. >> no, sir. >> all right. >> i'll show you what's been marked as state 573, see if you recognize this. >> i do. >> and tell the jury what that is. >> that's maggie's car. >> what's it in front of. >> the house at moselle. >> and what's between the hous

i couldn't get a loan against moselle and had to get a loan against palmetto state, i mean against edisto. >> going to the third interview. >> okay. okay. >> i'm going to go to 17:45. apparently having some technical difficulties. >> i mean, again, you reemted the same lies over and over again. >> i did. >> effortlessly and convincingly? >> i don't know about that. >> they can see it there. >> i agree with that. >> nobody yelled at you. >> nobody yelled at me. nobody -- none of these guys were ever discourteous to me. >> nobody what? >> i said none of those guys were ever discourteous to me. you made a comment earlier that david owens was mean or something about being mean and he was never mean to me. >> all right. but you decided to lie in part because you distrusted david owen. >> i distrusted sled in general, and i particularly distrusted who i thought was david owen at the time. >> okay. >> who turned out not to be david owen. >> i want to be clear, you're saying now you thought this was some david owen that had something to do with greg alexander ten years ago. >> no, sir, i'm not sa

>> the house at moselle. >> and what's between the house and the mercedes? cart. >> is that where it was on june the 8th, to your recollection? >> no, sir. >> where was it? >> it was near there, but that's not exactly where it was, no, sir. >> okay. where was it? >> where we would normally park it would be a little bit closer to the shed. i mean, a little bit closer to the house, to the bushes. >> okay. >> your honor, this -- >> when was that photograph taken? >> do you recognize when it was taken? >> no, i don't recognize, no, sir. >> you wouldn't dispute that it was around the time in the after math of the murders, would you? >> after math being when? >> i'm asking you, a day, a week, an hour. >> i wasn't there, mr. murdaugh, do you recognize this. >> i recognize the car, the house and the golf cart, but that is not -- that's not exactly how it would have been that night. >> all right. >> can you describe to me, then, where it would be different? >> well, it would be more in line with -- first things first is when we drove the golf cart or when i drove it

>> well, that's what it says he arrives at 4147 moselle road, the address of the shop.the house is 4157. i believe that paul actually got there a little bit before that but i think that's approximately accurate. i think paul got there a little bit closer to 7:00. >> all right. you would agree that's the ye earliest data point that shows. >> i don't dispute if that's the earliest data point but again i believe he got there a little bit earlier. i tried to look at these records to see if i could -- if that could be refuted and i believe he got there a little closer to 7:00 or a little bit before 7:00. >> you looked at these records a lot before you had your testimony yesterday and today, didn't you, mr. murdaugh? >> i have looked at these records other than the on star records that just came when they were provided to me. sure i've looked at them. >> right here we have some steps on your phone, 29 steps. and then down at the bottom we have 89 steps. is that consistent when you and paul were together on the property? >> sure. we would go to different locations on the prope

$1 million and in monies for barrett and that is part of the deal and the trade of me purchasing moselleat you felt like you were entitled to steal from him. >> no, i will tell you this that -- you know, when you are doing the things wrong that i was doing, you have all kinds of ways to justifying it. i am not saying that makes it right by any means, because it is wrong, and it is wrong and i have said it 100 times, but when i was doing it and as i wassed a dingted as i w ed -- and i was s i was, and to be able to look yourself in the mirror, you lie to yourself. and i guess self-justification is what it was. but i guess when i took his money, it is when i was taking his money, it was a lie by omission. >> okay. so all of these people, on these two exhibits, these were real people who needed this money, is that correct? >> i am sure they did. >> but it is more important to you that you stole their money on top of the 40% of legal fees that wu were taking. >> objection asked and answered and repetitive. >> i stole their money. >> it is more important to you than their needs, is that corre

that's your -- >> the 12-year-old people that just happen to know that paul and maggie were both at moselleth, that knew that they would be at the kennels alone on june the 7th and knew that you would not be there, but only between the times of 8:49 and 9:02 did they show up without a weapon, assuming that they're going to find weapons and ammunition there, that they commit this crime during that short time window, and then they travel the same exact route that you do around the same time to alameda. that's what you're trying to tell this jury? >> you got a lot of factors in there, mr. waters, all of which i do not agree with, the sum of which i do. >> i was sitting there thinking, is there a question in there, mr. prosecutor? what is he doing right there? >> well, he's summing up in front of the jury. he's asking this question, but really he's letting the jury know this is how ridiculous his story is and this is what you're going to hear during my summation. >> what they did, the prosecution, they laid the foundation through the financial crimes of showing he's a liar. and the other thing

>> well, that is what it says he arrives at 741 moselle road which is the address of the shop, and theouse is 4157, and i believe that paul got there a little bit before that. but i think that is approximately accurate and i think that paul got there closer to 7:00. >> all right. >> you would agree though that it is the earliest data point that reflects when paul got there? >> i don't dispute that is the earliest data point, but again, i believe he got there earlier, and i have tried to look at the records to see if it could be refuted, and i believe he got there a little closer to 7:00 or a little bit before 7:00. >> that is a good point, because you looked at the records a lot before you had your testimony before yesterday and today, didn't you, mr. murdaugh? >> i have looked at the records other than the onstar records that just came when they were provided to me. sure, i have looked at them. >> right here. we have some steps on your phone. 29 steps, and then down here at the bottom, we have 89 steps. is that consistent when you and paul were together on the property? >> i mean, sur

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road. >> it is right up on moselle road and it is close to the driveway that goes to the shop and the did you spend any time at the shop? >> oh, yes. i mean, the shop was -- that was sort of the hub. that was the main place. if you weren't at the house, you might be out going to this field or this food plot or this duck pond or this part of the river, but the shop is -- where the kennels were located, you know, that was -- you always were there, something was always going on there, you're always doing something there. that's where all the tools were. that's where all the equipment was kept. i mean, that was -- that was the main hub. >> right. >> and so we were there that day. i mean, it was a point in time where we unloaded the bulldozer that had been on different part of the property, was on a trailer. we unloaded it, sprayed it down real quick. that was one of the many things we did that day. >> one of the things that the jury has seen, alex, is a snapchat video of you and -- doing something with a tree. do you remember that? >> oh, yeah. >> so what was happening there? >> that's ju

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. >> you encouraged her to go to moselle. >> i did. >> was that the last time you talked to her? >> yes. >> reporter: prosecutors say that night alex murdaugh shot maggie and his son paul to death at close range on th family's estate. maggie's sister remembers asking alex if he thought they suffered. >> i did at one point ask him if maggie had suffered, and he assured me that she did not. now, i don't know that i think that's true. >> reporter: maggie's sister saying after the murders, she found it odd alex was still preoccupied with clearing his son's name. paul had been facing charges for a fatal boat crash. >> and i thought that was so strange, because my number one goal was to find out who killed my sister and paul. >> did he ever act scared or afraid that the real killers were out there somewhere? >> i think everybody was afraid, and alex didn't seem to be afraid. >> reporter: but the defense team pressing maggie's sister on the state of the murdaughs' marriage. >> can you tell the jury what you believe alex's relationship with maggie was? >> it was good. it wasn't perfect,

i couldn't get a loan against moselle and had to get a loan against edisto. >> going to the third interview. all right. i'm going to 17:45. having some technical difficulties. jury has seen this. again, you repeated the same lies over and over again. >> i did. >> effortlessly and convincingly? >> i don't know about that. >> well, they can see it there. >> i agree with that. >> nobody yelled at you. >> nobody yelled at me. nobody -- none of these guys were ever discourteous to me. >> nobody what? >> i said none of those guys were ever discourteous to me. you made a comment earlier that david owens was mean or something about being mean. he was never mean to me. >> all right. but you decided to lie in part because you distrusted david owen? >> i distrusted sled in general. i particularly distrusted who i thought was david owen at the time. >> okay. >> who turned out not to be david owen. >> i want to be clear. you're saying you thought this was some david owen that had to do with greg alexander ten years ago. >> no, sir. i'm not saying that now. i said that all along. the person i saw and wat

it's a random vigilante, the people that just happened to know that paul and maggie were both at mosellejune 7th and knew you would not be there but only between the times of 8:49 and 9:02. they show up without a weapon and commit this crime during that short window and travel the same exact route you do ap that's what you're trying to tell this jury? >> i have a lot of factors in there, mr. waters, all of which i do not agree with, but some of which i do. >> reporter: after more than a dozen hours on the stand, alex murdaugh is done with his testimony. but the trial continues. in fact, the defense has yet to rest its case. we're told they plan to call additional witnesses on monday when court resumes. diane gallagher, cnn, walterboro, south carolina. >>> the university of idaho has announced plans to demolish the house where four of its students were stabbed to death in november. officials say they'll also create a memorial garden on campus for the scholarships in name. bryan kohberger faces four counts of murder. >>> the alleged gunman behind a series of shootings in orlando this week

. >> and now, once the state's reply is finished, the jury is going to go to visit moselle, the crimeperty. the prosecution said that it was going to be finished today, and we will see, jim and erica. >> yeah, we will be watching to see when that happens. diana, thank you. we continue the conversation with ashley this morning. and we will look to see when this crime scene visit is going to happen. it has been nearly two years since the murders, and how impactful do you think that this is going to be? >> i think it can be very impactful. there are some trees that have gr grown, and the defense is who wants the jury to go see it. normally defense does not want the jury to go out there, because it is powerful to be at a place where a death like this happened. so, it is very rare for the defense to want this, but it is going to be powerful as the last image that the jury sees. but it also ties into their defense that there were two shooters here, because of the space, and they want the jury to see how small the space is, and how the theory of what they testified to is plausible. it is imp

the 12-year-old thought two people, that just happen to know that paul and maggie were both at mosellehey would be at the kennels alone, that you would not be there, but only between the times of 8:49 and 9:02 him of that showed without a weapon, and then they traveled the same exact route that you do around the same time to alameda. that's what you're trying to tell this jury? >> you've got a lot of factors in there, mr. waters, all of which i do not agree with, but some of which i do. >> sean: training now, brian claypool and philip holloway. and adjunct law professor at western commander salzman. thank you for joining me. i want to get all of your responses to this question. what is the most damning evidence you have heard against murdaugh in this trial? >> i've got three words for it: "consciousness of guilt." murdaugh lied about the most material fact in the case. he told law enforcement into code interviews, "i was at home on june 7th on the evening of the murders. i dozed off, fell asleep." and then come through this videotape, this snapshot video that paul took, he is at the ke

the judge granting the defense's request that the jury visit moselle.e property where both maggie and paul murdaugh were murdered, that murdaugh family property. jake, something really interesting that we learned here from them was that the defense said they needed security to make sure the scene was secured because there have been people over the weekend who had gone to this murder scene and were taking selfies, just another example of this kind of true crime fascination that's evolved around this case, asking for security for the jury. >> dianne gallagher in south carolina, thank you very much. >>> in our national lead a los angeles county prosecutor said he's been suspended for yoursing the wrong pronouns to describe a defendant accused of sexually assaulting a minor. in 2014, hannah tubs, a transjepder woman sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl. the charges were not brought until 2020 when tubs was 26 years old. the prosecutor assigned to the case argued tubbs should be tried as an adult. instead, tubbs was sentenced to two years in a juvenile faci

one was, paul getting to mosel around 5:00 p.m. do you remember that?>> were you lying to agent owens or anybody when you said paul got there at 5:00 p.m.? >> no. i wasn't lying to them. i mean, i thought that at the time. >> and when you -- >> most of the times or a lot of times when i gave times i qualified them and say, you know, you can look at this, pointed them to my office, to the call log, to the key card, like we talked about, or my phone or my onstar. >> and when you told the agents that you thought you got to the office at 8:30, 9:00 on that morning of june 7th, you were wrong, right? i was wrong. >> were you lying? >> i wasn't lying. >> and when deputy green drove up and first -- you had your first encounter with him, i believe you told him you had been gone to your mom's house for an hour, hour and a half, is that right? he with j-- we just heard it. >> the last one? >> yes, sir. >> yeah. hour and a half i think that is what i told him. >> hour and a half. and that the last time you saw maggie and paul was 45 minutes before that? >> yeah. t

we know that he was trying to get her to come to moselle that night, a lot of this case will turn on cross examination. right now he's sympathetic. he was a victim in this case, accomplished what he needed to. give a good da a chance to go after him and a lot of grist her. >> martha: that's what i'd tell everyone at home. we're waiting for the other side. wore waiting for the d.a. to poke holes? what you've listened to all morning today. they had to clear out some of these cobb webs today. they tried to do that. they tried to do that by having him on the stand, admitting because there was a very big moment in this case when we heard from their close friend when they played that video of what was going on at the kennel and looking at a dog and you hear a voice in the back. this friend of theirs, young friend, said that's the voice of murdaugh. that's his voice. then they had a big problem. then he was put at the scene of the murder right around the time of the murder. so today he had to admit in front of the jury, i lied when i said i wasn't there. yes, that's my voice. number 2. >> a

the judge granted the request to bring the jury to moselle, the murdaugh family 1700 acre hunting estate. jurors would be accompanied by ample security after lawyers raised concerns about recent incidents of trespassers venturing on to the property to take selfies in front of the crime scenes. closing arguments could take place as early as wednesday. back to you. >> john: all right, a lot of people fascinated by this trial as it got going, even more so now with alec murdaugh on the stand. and more on this, sandra, later on from one of our esteemed colleagues. >> sandra: nancy grace will take us through the twists and turns. so many are captivated. >> john: yesterday i was out in the yard doing yard work and a neighbor came by walking his dog, and he said hey, are you watching the trial, told me a good friend of his went to law school with alec murdaugh. small world out there. >> sandra: interesting, very interesting. you always learn everything from the dog walkers, right? >> john: don't you, though? >> sandra: eyes on everything. >> john: i'm a dog walker now too, that's good. >> sandra

they will see first hand the murder scene, the now infamous moselle property.said he lied about being at the kennel that night. he was there before the murders took place. also he lied about the fact that he stole millions from his law partners and friends. a defense crime scene analyst testified that he thinks there were probably two killers. >> to me, there's structurally difficult for the same shooter to have two long arms and no practical reason. add that to what happened to the shooter with the shotgun and it tips in favor of the probability of two shooters. >> martha: two shooters. okay. in the final days of all of this for the jury to take in. jonna spillbore is here. glad to have you here. first to that, do you think there with two shooters based on the evidence? >> that's been a theory from the get-go. it makes sense when you just look at the fact that there's two totally different weapons in the crime, two victims, two weapons. you don't have to be an expert to assume there with two shooters, this expert made a really interesting point that nobody has

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but the jury is going to go to moselle, the 1,700 acre property 30 minutes or so from the courthouse defense made that request, and the state was objecting to it, because it has changed including trees between the kennels and the main house which they felt was a big deal, but the defense pointing out that dozens of tourists and people came by the feedroom where paul murdaugh was there to take selfies of themselves there over the weekend to have people have a look of themselves, and alex murdaugh's brother had to call the sheriff to have those people removed, but murdaugh did admit after 20 months of lying to the police that he was at the kennels at around the time of the murders, but he did not kill his wife and son, and the prosecutor is not buying that it is somebody random. listen to this exchange from friday. >> so what you are telling the jury is that it is a random ep vigilante. >> that is your -- >> that the person just happened to know that both paul and maggie were there on june 7th that they would be be at the kennel alone between 8:02 and 8:15 and -- >> you have a lot of f

one was paul getting to moselle around 5:00. do you remember that? >> i do. >> were you lying to agent owens or anybody when you said paul got there at 5:00 p.m.? >> no. i wasn't lying to them. i thought that at the time. >> and when you -- >> most of the times -- a lot of the times when i gave times, i qualified them and said, but you know, you can look at this. i pointed them to my office, to the call log, to the key card like we talked about or my onstar. >> when you told the agents that you thought you got to the office at 8:30, 9:00 on that morning of june 7, you were wrong, right? >> i was wrong. >> were you lying? >> no, i wasn't lying. >> okay. >> when deputy green drove up and first -- you had the first encounter with him, i believe you told him that you had been gone to your mom's house for an hour, 1 1/2 hours. is that right? we just heard it? >> the last one? >> yes, sir. >> yeah, 1 1/2 hours. i think that is what i told him. >> 1 1/2 hours. and that the last time that you saw maggie and paul was 45 minutes before that. >> yeah, that's wh

it's known as moselle. it's about 30 minutes from here. they will look at the feed room.distance from the house, how long it took to get around where this all happened. the defense put this request in, the state was opposed to it, but the judge granted it, wolf. >> randi kaye on the scene for us, thank you very much. >>> just ahead, severe weather threatening the midwest right now after causing major damage in kansas and oklahoma last night. we'll be right back. windshield crackcked, we needed it fixed right. we went to safelite.com. there's no one else we'd trusts. their experts replaced our windshield, and recalibrated our car's advanced safety system. they focus on our safety... so we can focus on this little guy. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ avoiding triggers, but still get migraine attacks? qulipta™ can help prevent migraine attacks. qulipta gets right to work. keeps attacks away over time. qulipta is a preventive treatment for episodic migraine. most common side effects are nausea, constipation, and tiredness. ask your doctor about qulipta. ♪ b

and they also pointed out that on his way home back to moselle, the properties where the murders happenedng really, really fast, reaching 81 miles per hour at one point, faster than he'd driven all day, and these are dark windy roads, there are a lot of deer. the prosecution again seeming to want to suggest that perhaps he was in some rush to get home, anderson. >> it's fascinating. randi kaye, appreciate it. thank you. quick programming note. the hbo max documentary series "low country: the murdaugh dynasty," which if you haven't seen it it's really quite incredible, starts this sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here on cnn. it's got a lot of detail and video that you've never seen before probably. coming up, did he or didn't he? tiger woods attempted to make the cut almost two years after the accident that nearly cost him his leg. an update next. noooo... noooo... nooooo... quick, the quicker picker upper! when you gotta get it done, just one sheet is all you need. because one sheet of bounty absorbs more than theirs, so you can use less. i'll hold onto that. get the job done with

guess what, there is going to be a jury trip to moselle. and the dog kennel where maggie and paul were gunned down. that is fraught with the possibility of a mistrial. you see, one person go by with a sign that says murdaugh did it and they can move for a mistrial. i disagree with this, plus the scene has changed since the time of the murders, so no longer accurate. about you that is brewing right now. now, after the defense finishes its response to the state, the state, i believe, is going to put on a rebuttal case with a limited number of witnesses to fight back against the defense. then closing arguments, jury charge and hopefully a verdict. >> sandra: nancy, a lot is in question over the timing, and murdaugh has gotten caught in a lot of different -- saying a lot of different things about where he was when all this took place. this was him on the stand on thursday and his interrogation at the police station. play this out, i want to get your reaction to this, nancy. >> was it you? >> at 9:00? >> yes, sir. >> no, sir. not if my times are

gun or any gun like it and shoot your son, paul, in the chest in the -- room in your property of moselle> mr. murdaugh, did you take this gun or any gun like it employers and brains out on june 7th on any day or anytime? >> no i did not. >> two takes a day now, -- and former federal prosecutor jessica roth, she now teaches at the university school of law. so mark, just before the break we heard that murdaugh add medic to lying as to his warehouse of the night of the murder. that was his voice on the tape, on the video that his son had sent out right before the killing. how much of that timeline was just a few minutes in between, when he now admits that he was with his wife and son at the kennels where they were killed and when prosecutors believe the killings happened. that is got to hurt us defense, doesn't? >> well over just offense because, actually, it is indefensible. defense 101, you've got to acknowledge that which you cannot deny and that you know can be proven. so he had to come in and say that he was there because, the one thing that he has, any witness, any juror looks for in

this is the property known as moselle, about 30 minutes from here, 1700 acres, a hunting property belongingrything they've seen in pictures throughout this trial. they'll see the feed room where paul murdaugh died, how close that was to where maggie murdaugh's body was found. they'll see the golf cart path alex murdaugh said he took from the main house down to the kennels and back that night and how close the two building are. they'll probably see the gun room where authorities seized all those guns, see the shooting range. these are all the places they've seen in pictures. it will really give them for the first time in person some perspective about what went on there and hopefully they would be able to figure out a little bit more about how they feel about what they've heard throughout all this testimony, anderson. >> interesting. >>> joining us tonight criminal defense attorney mark o'mara and here in the studio former federal prosecutor jessica roth. what does it tell you that the jury wants to visit the crime scene? >> i think the request came from the defense. and the judge said his pr

not sides with the prosecution, and today he granted that defense motion to take the entire jury to moselle, to this hunting property, to the crime scene to get a spatial understanding of exactly how these murders happened. at least that's what the defense said they were hoping. separately, i spoke to a defense attorney about their motives here, and basically what he said was we're trying to show spatially how large alec was and how small that feed room was and how it would have been extremely difficult to maneuver around with two rifles in that small space. that's what they're hoping the jury is going to get from that. the prosecution obviously objected saying we don't think this is necessary. it's not required, but the judge said if you would like to take the jury there, i'll go ahead and make it so. so they have said they're going to have tight security. they possibly are going to block the roads and make sure that the area is completely evacuated for the jury's visit. it looks like that is going to happen. when exactly has not yet been determined. >> catie beck, thank you for that. >>>

gun or any gun like it and shoot your son paul in the chest in the feed room at your property off moseldid not. >> mr. murdaugh, did you take this gun or any gun like it and blow your son's brains out on june 7th or any day, or any time? >> no, i did not. >> the two takes on the day now. criminal defense attorney mark o'meara joins us, and former federal prosecutor jessica roth. she now teaches at cardoza school of law. just before the break, we heard randi's report that murdaugh admitted to lying as to his whereabouts the night of the murders. that was his voice on the video his son had sent out right before the killing. how much of that timeline, with just a few minutes in between when he now admits he was with his wife and son at the kennels where they were killed, and when prosecutors believed the killings happened, that's got to hurt his defense. doesn't it? >> it hurts his defense because factually it's indefensible. but defense 101, you have to acknowledge that which you cannot deny and that which you know can be proven. so he had to commit and say he was there because the one th

watch i guess moving forward is whether or not the jury will actually take a field trip and go to moselle hunting lodge where these murders occurred. that was something that was discussed this morning. if that were to happen, it could add some time to the time line of when this could end. right now what the state, what the defense has said as of this morning is they expect to be in closing arguments on wednesday. jose. >> ellison barber, thank you so much. >>> this morning the cleanup effort continues in a small ohio community more than three weeks after a train derailed carrying toxic chemicals. officials from the cdc, fema, and the epa are in east palestine after spending the weekend carrying out health surveys, and while residents continue to express fears about the long-term impact of the chemical spill, there are now concerns being raised outside of ohio. joining us now from east palestine, ohio, is nbc's george solis. george, good morning. what exactly are those federal officials doing on the ground today? >> reporter: yeah, good morning, jose. the big news here is that federal auth

and shoot your son paul in the chest and the feed room at your property of moselle road.i did not says he lied to investigators about his location that night, murdoch confirmed that his voice is on a snapchat video taken by paul in the family's kennel shortly before the murders. he blamed the lies on paranoia he experienced as a result of an opioid addiction. murdoch testified that after leaving the kennels, he went back to the house and decided to visit his mother, who is battling also timers. when he returned, he went to check on maggie and paul witnesses who saw murdoch later that night, said they did not see any blood on him. but breaking down in tears. he described finding their bodies soup. so bad. on cross examination, prosecutors further pressed him on his alibi. would you also agree? that the first time that law enforcement officers that you've talked to and the prosecution and here in open court ever heard you say? that you lied about being in the kennels was today in this court. yes i'm aware of that. if murdoch is found guilty, he could spend the rest of his l

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