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we just played the audio you obtained for mother jones magazine.s tonight. brad, what does this tell us about the koch brothers? what does this audio tell us. does this tell us they're just in it to win it at all costs? >> well, they certainly are in it to win it at all costs. they've gone to extraordinarily lengths to raise an extraordinary amount of money and to keep it all secret as they did at their seminar in vail, colorado, playing pink noise around the outside of this event to keep anybody from outside listening in. they're playing for keeps, these folks, that's for sure. >> mike, your impressions about what's going down with the koch brothers. >> they say this election is nothing short of a battle for this country, it's a special kind of country they're talking about. it's the who's who of the grey poupon crowd. the people in that room he was talking to are are people who think just like he do, the same polo crowd, the country club crowd that has made this a gated community, want to continue to make it a gated community. they want america t

guest: "mother jones" and the university at berkeley. caller: we get the legal aspects and get this people on the page to try to stay legal and everything like that. we got enough democrats and republicans. the surprise to courts -- they're all corrupt. we got to give back to the basics and make people start abiding by the law. host: let me ask you about the court system and what you found when these sting operations took place. how much time are some of these folks servant who were lured into action by an fbi informant? guest: the average tends to be about 35 years in a sting operation. in some cases the fbi spends a year or more with the target and moves them along through the plot. we also found that oftentimes missing.ople go some things are not recorded and so no one knows what was said. that is a critical period for defense attorneys to try to prove entrapment. no one knows what was said during the early investigations. these informants are not the most credible of people. host: what did you find out? guest: in some cases the fbi s

"mother jones" lists some programs in practical industries that are hiring.ay. >> good day to you. >> you have nano technologist at suny albany, renewable energy at oregon institute of technology, cyber security of university of maryland, video game design from the digipen institute of technology. the last one, parents are going to say video game really, are you kidding me? yet it is a big business. >> it is a big business and you know, there is a creative aspect to it, too, i think could be an appeal to young kids graduating from high school and going into college and you just mentioned the unemployment rate for the unemployment rate for americans ages 16 to 24 is almost double that of the 9% plus that it is nationwide, so you know, it's a critical time for high school grads to be thinking about what kinds of college programs make sense for them, and i think there's a sort of shift of thinking that's emerging and kind of necessary to think about what kinds of degree programs will actually lead to a job afterward and not just, you know, what you feel like stu

one passenger, also the publisher of mother jones magazine sent us these photos. a rescue boat was sent and mucked the woman off the marker. she says she got stranded. twin city police say the woman spent the night on the marker, probably would have died of hyperthermia had she been there all night. officers add she does not have a police record but it's a mystery, style and this is how do you not want to wake up. police say dozens of people woke up in this neighborhood this morning only to find someone slashed tires on their cars. 50 cars parked in a couple of spots off ashby avenue were affected by this. and police say this may be the largest tire slashing in the city's history. one man had all four of his tires slashed. >> this is baffling me why someone would do this. i mean, i'm -- i couldn't go to work today. very a part time job at university. couldn't do that. and on a fixed income. i don't know how i'm going to afford four brand new tires. >> a local tire shop is fixing over 100 slashed tires in a discounted rate to help folks out. lease are searching for

center for women, politics and public policy and david corn is the washington bureau chief for "mother jones pro bachmann super pac entitled -- keep conservatives united. has started running an attack ad against rick perry in the earl will i voting state of south carolina. >> double spending in a decade. and this year, rick perry is spending more money than the state takes in. covering his deficits with record borrowing. and he's supposed to be the tea party guy? there is an honest conservative, and she's not rick perry. >> not surprisingly, a perry spokesman pushed back saying governor perry is a proven fiscal conservative, having cut taxes, signed six balanced budgets many congresswoman's bachmann's front-group ad is patently false. does not run deficits, and limits spending, even as texas added jobs and population in big numbers. david corn, if i'm mitt romney, i'm loving this. this is what i was hoping for. >> we'll talk about sarah palin's attack, too, on rick perry in a moment. i think he wants mitt romney would want sarah palin just fully in the race. right now, rick per were has leap

outrage is rendered even more ridiculous thanks to a real new report by brad friedman over at mother jones magazine who obtained an audiotape of a secret meeting of billionaires back in june in the mountains of colorado but you're about to hear is billionaire oil baron charles koch the same guy who funds right wing think tanks and astroturf tea party groups rally his soldiers our nation's honor guards behind a mother of all wars to be waged against president obama who koch refers to as saddam hussein take a listen. again that was billionaire charles koch calling president obama saddam hussein and urging his rich buddies to prepare for the mother of all wars later code goes on to tell his troops to shell out a million millions of bucks towards that war effort pocket change to most of the army barracks in the room but charles koch is referring to is the billionaires war against working people and it's this very same war that james hoffa spoke of yesterday and on my radio show today. there is a war on workers and you know anybody that doesn't know about the war i mean they started the war and

universities across the country contributed to the country's leading magazines and newspapers little mother jones the nation that you republican new statesman the washington post salon and the columbia journalism review and is a familiar presence on an assembly c c n p r c and d d c even the daily show with jon stewart charlotte is currently the ellen assistant professor of english and dartmouth making him that college is first professor of creative nonfiction and he can. being editor for her prison magazine and rolling stone his newest book sweet habit when i die explores the spiritual landscape of the united states and profiles religious radicals realists and scape as he straddle that undefined border between belief and skepticism very pleased to welcome jeff sharlet to our conversations great minds jeff welcome. hi tom good to be with you thanks for joining us. we've talked before about some of your other books when they came out in particular the family but we've never talked about jeff sharlet what animates you to write about. religion spirituality culture and be coalitions and intersections

they getting scammed i was right because because of the weinstein national security reporter at mother jones and i want to thank you for joining us tonight in first if you can give us a few more details aside from i guess having these web sites with really catchy and convenient names how else are they getting better and to sign up are do we have recruiters on bases. yes indeed we do alone or we have all the ways in which for profit industry has decided its next cash cow is really military in addition to which you saw these web sites that are kind of taking up. general cheeriest. service members looking for information online recruiters that are having access to a campus in bases we have one report that was preprogrammed by bloomberg businessweek a couple of months ago about a recruiter from one of these for profits that walked right into a wounded warriors unit in a marine base in north carolina i mean also show advertisements on the american forces network which is generally not supposed to show advertisements but are overseas troops when they look at. the super bowl and major league baseba

it's actually the brainchild of fringe activists lez riley has passed affiliations reported on by mother jones so he spearheaded the campaign called the conceived in rape tour which sounds insane but is about as extreme as other causes from the past riley has been a member of league of south an organization in favor of the south seceding and becoming its own country built on biblical law he was also a blogger for a christian exodus a group that wanted to form a christian nation after america's lack of morality killed the empire so now they have a glimpse into this man's history the fact that he's gone as far as he has with this ballot measure is quite frankly very scary and other states we were appalled when there was a talk of forcing women to view altar cells listen to heartbeats of forgetting abortion but here mississippi is actually proposing that any type of fertilized egg in a female no matter what the circumstance is protected under law die for one hope the personhood amendment doesn't see the light of day but only time is going to tell if the people of mississippi feel the same way. we

up by the feds themselves that's something we've got committed on this show it's something that mother jones did a lengthy investigation on in which we also covered here and it just brings up the question as to whether our authorities are really stopping terrorists or helping to create more of them and that's a question that's worth being asked it doesn't leave you support terrorism they don't want everybody in this country to be safe but when you consider the fact the homeland security spending has galloon so four hundred seventy billion dollars over the last ten years then we have to start asking if those insane costs are worth it if the resources are being used properly or if some of this is you know. more p.r. because you know that every single one of these world incidents then transfers and it calls for more funding a lone wolf extremists are and should be a concern is it really take four hundred seventy billion dollars to get them just remember that doesn't include the cost of fuel wars or shadow wars or two hundred twenty billion in enhanced expenditures from state and the private sec

headline is occupy wall street isn't working and it comes from a writer named lauren ellis with mother jones which is a progressive magazine at least it likes to be taken as a progressive magazine and in the article there are four points that are unpacked and one of them you know has to do is what you said in the opening people wearing anonymous mask sort of guy fawkes masks are not to be taken seriously and also she brought in this idea if there was police brutality that has muddied the message so now the protestors have a problem and you know aside from her article we have a new york times editorial which i don't really consider the new york times to be liberal necessarily a good it does private self being considered part of the liberal establishment so we'll say they picked out a protester who has been there and some of these people have been doing topless protesting as sharp as a show a political expression and she's seized on some people there and she picked out one person who she says the system more were like joni mitchell making them seem even more like hippies and then another examp

event was hosted by right wing activists billionaire brothers charles and david koch and today mother jones magazine obtained audio from this top secret strategy session. does this audiotape alice i mean does this prove that they're just in it to win it at all costs. now now you really want to gloat but tonight i'm going to go for it i'm going to go ahead and say told you so i can't tell whether it's amusing or their it's sad that the mainstream media is just so predictable but you know whatever let's move on today where predictability it once again shines through and tonight there's going to be another republican presidential candidate debate even though the debate hasn't happened yet even though there are plenty of other things to fill the news cycle with we're already just hearing nonstop debate coverage and everybody's talking about it we're going to specifically pick on m.s.n. b.c. for just another minute here since the debates airing on their network and so they are just pimping this thing out like a little teenage girl with a lollipop. publican presidential candidate prepping for the

however the same right wingers were completely silent when an audio tape was released by mother jones of charles koch comparing president obama to saddam hussein and calling for the mother of all wars . so the question very question who's one of those class war the millionaires or the workers. with a quote it was unclear to me he was comparing obama to the same charges quoting him but it's regardless i'm not a political rhetoric type person i don't think there's a picture all rhetoric binges something worth considering but it was the rep it put into place when they got all upset over sarah palin who wanted to billionaires of the workers. right now i don't think anyone's winning in obama's economy. going to that nine percent we'll see obama is going to talk tomorrow he's going to give he's going to continue on the same old policy that in trying to introduce a plane that won't pass i think i think this is where i think we're all in bad shape because i'm ok why would say the middle class is in bad shape the billionaires are getting richer under bush they're going to get again richer unde

in a tape obtained by online journalist who shared it with mother jones, one of the koch brothers discussessaddam hussein. >> we have saddam hussein. this is the mother of all wars. we've got in the next 18 months, for the life or death of this country. >> now, a koch spokesman denied the abc news that mr. koch was not referring to president obama. they're denying he was refer to president obama. quote, they say, charles koch was not referring to president obama in his remarks. the mother of all wars is a common phrase frequently attributed to saddam hussein on the eve of the persian gulf war, amid record unemployment, and loss of liberty, the u.s. has been plunged into its own mother of all wars. even though, the mother of all wars is about the coming election. do the koch brothers think they're at war? charles and his brother david have thrown more than $100 million behind a slew of right-wing causes, funding everything from voter i.d. laws to anticlimate change, research in that area, supporting tea party initiatives, fighting to repeal president obama's affordable care, and they're show

. >> he is an eagle scout, held a brief stint as editor of "mother jones," produced several best- selling documentary's of all time, and discussing his memoir. michael more, live on book tv on c-span to. >> now remarks from chris christie at the reagan presidential library in simi valley, california. he said he is not going to run for president. following his remarks, he was asked about that decision. this is about 45 minutes. welcoming governor chris christie. >> thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. it is great to be here. we are here. it is an honor for me to be here at the library to speak with all of you today. i want to thank mrs. reagan for her gracious of irritation -- gracious invitation. people become passe after a while about things that have happened. i have a partner year that majors in passe. he says this will even impress you. a written this letter over the phone. i said it is signed by nancy reagan. it is great to be here. thank you for your invitation. he believed in this country. he embodies the strength, the pres

now mother jones reports the effort to indoctrinate schools is in full swing.n western california, they asked for approval of lesson plans. they suggested materials and threatened to go to the media if cools didn't do lessons on the constitutional. the meddling didn't end there. a chapter of glen beck's 912 group dedicated copies of the constitutional to two florida school districts, but the booklet excluded some extras including the website address, references to religious groups, and quotes like this -- unless americans remember and preserve or rich heritage of liberty, a new dark age of tirny could lock the majority of man kid into the harsh chains of totalitarian slavery. dark age of tirreny for kids? c'mon, tea party. those districts decided not to distribute the books. schools would be better off getting money for teachers and supplies than getting an extra helping hand from right-wing ideologues. did the tea party groups think no one would notice the indocket runation effort? nice try, folks, but we got you. h bayer advanced aspirin. it has microparticle

joining me are msnbc political analyst david corn of mother jones and michael 1250e8, a former chairman of the republican national committee. allow me to show you both what kantor had to say on this issue on month morning. >> this is a time and an appropriate instance where there's a federal government role. those monies are not unlimited. what we've always said is we've offset that, which has already been funded. it's like any family would operate when it's struck with disaster. it finds the money it needs to to take care of a sick loved one or what have you, and goes without trying to buy a new car or put an addition onto the house. >> michael steele, is he speaking for the gop or for himself? >> i -- i think he's speaking for the gop, and i think he's speaking for the country and the concerns that a lot of citizens have about the money. the bottom line is those states, particularly here on the east coast that have been ravaged by this storm will get the aid they need, the resources they need on the ground. i think what the leader was talking about was making sure we don't do as washi

michael steele, msnbc political analyst and david corn, national washington bureau chief for mother jonesagazine, also an msnbc political analyst. this is an away game for you, david, my friend. a home game for michael. at least it was for years a home game. let's go this question. perry's rise to greatness. 38% overnight. as i keep pointing out, he has a higher level of support in this new nbc poll today than people that have a favorable attitude. only 21% say they like him, but 38% say they are for him. this is an amazing leap to the top. is it the whole republican party or -- >> it's not a leap in that sense. i think what you're seeing there is a name identification. when you peel back and say now that you know the guy, do you support or not support him? that's how you get a disparate in the number. 38% shows more and more people are getting to know who he is around the country both inside and outside of the party. >> they all know he's a tea party guy? >> they may know that, but i'm saying, then you ask the next question, which gets you your 21%, 23%, 24%. >> i wonder whether they --

msnbc analyst and reporter for "the huffington post" and david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and msnbc political analyst. thanks to both of you for coming in tonight. there is all kind of analysis going on. alex, on the president coming out strongly yesterday, but i think one of the things that was very striking to me is another billionaire, he named when he came out with the buffet rule. >> right. >> but today he picked up mark cuban came out, a billionaire, and mark cuban said this. he says we shouldn't be trying to shift the benefits of wealth behind some curtain while some people might find it distasteful to pay taxes, i don't. i find it patriotic. i think that that's an interesting that now we're starting to see different people of that top 1% or 2% come out and say what are you all talking about? what's wrong with this? and in fact cuban says, alex, it's patriotic. >> billionaires coming out of the woodwork saying take my money, please. i think that that, you know, speaks to a sense that we are sort of off the rails in terms of our tax policy and as senator boxer said,

david corn is from mother jones magazine, msnbc political analyst robert gibbs, thanks for joining uso answer that question. the the president above partisan politics or a fire breathing harry truman willing to take the fight to the republicans in congress this next year? >> well, chris, i think what he is go 20g have to be is both. because we are going to have to take the fight to congress so that congress will stop playing the same old washington political games that we have seen over and over again and have prevented action on plans that will help this economy grow and create jobs. that's what the president's going to outline tomorrow. but it's got to be more than a speech. it has to be congress putting their party aside and putting their country first to get something done. >> do you believe as a political person that eric cantor, larry mccarthy, all those republican hot shots, joe walsh, the ones we see on television all the time, basically thumbing their nose at the president? they want him to get re-elected? they want to give him a solid economic program to run on? >> no, i don

david corn, msnbc analyst and correspondent for mother jones, and joe conason, who was fabulous this morning. joe, you were great this morning. you said a couple of things that were brilliant this morning. and i want to start with something you didn't talk about. it seems like the republican party is going through a weird with kind of change. i don't know what it is, but they've changed. they're attacking foreign adventurism. they've even got terms for it. they're getting flighty about it. when they were the ones that marched like lemmings towards war in iraq. what's changed? >> what's changed is the attitude of the public. you take any poll and see that the war in afghanistan is not popular. certainly, the war in iraq lost popularity a long time ago. and, you know, even the war in libya, which i think where the president sort of tried to take a backseat to the international coalition, also was not popular with most voters. so the republicans look at that and being the very principled people that they are decided, hey, we're not to get behind any of those things we decide we were goi

alex wagner is an msnbc political analyst and david corn is the washington bureau chief of mother jonesa while and i want your views on this. i've been in this business a long time and i don't know the answer. that's why i'm hitting you with it. is obama -- i'm going to get to this at the end of the show -- three trails he can take. does he go to the senate like clinton effectively in '96 with things like welfare reform and nafta and balancing the budget. is he smart to go harry truman's route, give 'em hell harry, not left wing, but partisan as hell. three, like franklin roosevelt did, unite the hard left with the center left and say, this is where i stand. we're going to win this left versus right. where does he go, if you had to call it? >> i think he's going roosevelt, chris. look, he's been sort of in the center for a little while now, and i think the whole country wants to see him fighting. vis-a-vis, his comments at the cbc this weekend, where he said, look, we've got to keep fighting, it was a call to arms in many respects. i think the quote that everybody's been showing is get

it's the graph from "mother jones." the wealthiest americans, they're up 240%. you could say these are the job-creators over here. the wages aren't doing anything, are they? i've been begging any republican to come on this show -- i'm not trying to be a jerk, just come on the show and provide some answers for the middle-class americans who are down here. how can they know the truth about this chart and still promise tax cuts for the top 1%? well, one republican has answered my challenge. presidential candidate rick santorum was on the show two weeks ago, the last night of the tea party debate, and he said he would get americans back to work by cutting corporate tax rate and bringing american jobs back from overseas. i'm all about it. what i want to know, what is his plan for any of the republicans, for that matter, for the 99% who have barely seen their incomes go up over the last three decades? i guess you could call it trickle-up economics. does any republican candidate really have a plan for the middle class? and why is it that the republican candidates, they

david corn's an msnbc analyst and "the washington post" bur bureau chief for "mother jones" magazine, and sally joins us. she's a republican strategist in florida. by the way, these stories are pretty dramatic, pretty unforgiving of rick perry's performance last night. take a look at a few of these headlines. they are damning. a politico story headline, "texas toast? perry worries gop" michael medvedev, an overall critic for everybody. he wrote in "the daily beast "rick perry, beginning of the end?" here's a talking points memo story called "running with rick, conservatives turn on perry after debate." and bill crystal wrote a special editorial on the debate headlined "yikes." he said, no presidential front-runner has ever had as weak a showing as rick perry. it was a disqualifying two hours for him. i want to start with sally bradshaw, a political consultant, runs campaigns down in tallahassee, florida. thank you for joining us. give us your point of view, among republicans, that's the target audience, from now until next spring, through next spring, how bad did rick perry do last ni

"mother jones" in "harper's magazine" recently published very extensive investigative report that talked about the pervasive use by the fbi, many of whom are in moscow and preying on vulnerable members in the community, ex-felons who have major financial problems, and just other individuals. they usually try to flip someone who is facing criminal charges, sometimes they'll go, and if they want someone to be there informant they will go get ice to look at the immigration record. if they can find one little thing they'll expedite prosecution. and then they will tell the guy or the woman hey, usually it's a guy, if we can clear you would make sure you don't get deported if you workforce but a lot of feel a lot of people feel it's a difficult choice to make. you have $3.3 billion over the last 10 years of the fbi resources going into these kinds of activities and the characters. that's compared to 2.6 billion for organized crime. you have 15,000 informants. 15,000. some of them are paid up to $100,000 by? the informants most of their demographics are ex-felons, really down on their luck, rea

"mother jones" and -- magazine published an investigative report that talked about the use of informantsthe fbi many of whom are in mosque and preying on vulnerable members of the committee such as young men with mental health albums ex-felons who have major financial problems and just other haplessness of individuals. they usually try to go and if they want someone to be there in form and they will go and get i.c.e. to look into their immigration record and if they can find one little thing they will expedite prosecution and then they will tell the guy or the woman hey -- it is usually the guy if we can clear you and make sure you don't get deported if you work for us and a lot of people feel coerced in a gray because it is a difficult choice to make. so you have got $3.3 billion over the last 10 years of fbi resources going into these kinds of activities. that is compared to 2.6 billion organized crime. you have 15,000 informants, 15,000. some of them are paid up to $100,000 in formants, most of their demographics are ex-felons down on their luck, really poor and really desperate. not

. >> he's an eagle scout, editor of mother jones magazine, directed and produced three of the top tenrossing documentaries of all time, and also a best selling author. his latest, "a memoir: here comes trouble." on sunday, call, e-mail or tweet michael moore live eastern on booktv on c-span2. >> this is a dangerous time for britain and a danger time for britain's economy. the government's austerity plan is failing. you can sense the fear people have as we watch the economic crisis that stocked our country in 2008, threatened to return. >> with the british house of commons still in recess, annual party conferences are continuing in the u.k.. watch labour party leader ed miliband next sunday. and dave cameron. >> host: we're pleased to introduce you to steve landafeld, director of economic analysis, and today it's what we produce. first of all, what is the bureau of economic analysis? give us some background. >> guest: the bureau of economic analysis is one of the two agencies, statistical agency in the department of commerce. we put together data from public and private sources and ass

. >> he is an eagle scout, held a brief stint as editor of mother jones magazine, directed three of the0 grossing documentaries of all time, and also an author. his latest book is a memoir called "here comes trouble." your chance to call an tweet michael more live at noon eastern on c-span2's "booktv." >> missouri senator kirk claire mccaskill criticized waste and fraud during wartime. senator mccaskill and senator webb testified before the senate homeland security committee. the committee released a report from a finding as much as $60 billion of waste and fraud -- their report on friday, finding as much as $60 billion in waste and fraud. >> good afternoon. the hearing will come to order. se, our colleague, senator mccaskill and senator webb. i'm going to put my whole statement in the record and just draw briefly from it in deference to senator collins who has an appropriations meeting she has to go to and to our two colleagues. the commission on wartime contracting was created by legislation sponsored by senator claire mccaskill and senator jim webb to investigate our reconstruction e

. >> and eagle scout, held a brief stint as editor of mother jones magazine, directed and produced three of the top 10 grossing documentaries of all time and also the best selling author -- his latest, a memoir. sunday on "in-depth," your chance to call, email, or tweet michael moore live on c-span2. >> which part of the u.s. constitution is important to you? that is our question in this year's studentscam competition. make a video documentary five minutes to eight minutes long entellus the part of the constitution that is important to you and why. be sure to include more than one point of view and video of c- span programs. entries are due by january 20, 2012. there's a $50,000 in total prizes and a grand prize of $5,000. for all the details, go to st udentcam.org. >> former president jimmy carter and his wife sat down for a conversation about current world issues and their latest ventures. they discuss the palestinian request for statehood, china, healthcare, and what advice president carter would give to president obama for working with congress. this is from the carter center in atla

. >> he's an eagle scout, held a brief stint as editor of mother jones magazine, directed and producedthree of the top ten grossing documentaries of all time and also a best-selling author. his latest is "here comes trouble," and sunday on "in depth" your chance to call, e-mail and tweet michael moore live on c-span2. >> last weekend vladimir piewt been said he would run for the russian presidency after the current president announced he would not seek re-election in march. next, russia analysts discuss the effect that could have on u.s./russia relations. from the center for national interests, this is 90 minutes. [inaudible conversations] >> welcome to the center for the national interest. we have a distinguished panel, an important topic and, hopefully, we'll be able to produce some light in addition, as i'm sure we will produce some heat because the issue we're going to deal with, u.s./russian interaction s difficult and controversial. before i introduce the panel, however, let me conduct some institutional business and then introduce a new colleague at the center, the managing new

. >> he is an eagle scout, held a brief stint as the editor of "mother jones magazine," directed threethe top ten top grossing documentarys of all time, and is also a best- selling author. his latest is his memoir, "here comes trouble." sunday, your chance to call, email or tweet michael moore on book tv on c-span2. >> "washington journal" continues. with the co-ack authors of a new book, thomas friedman and michael mandelbaum, "that used to be us." you call this a wake-up call. you address the wake-up call. guest: we argue that the reason this book has a backward- looking title but a four-looking book, we had a formula for success in this country and it has gotten away from the senate fundamental way. it was to educate our people, up to whatever the level of technology is, the cotton gin or the steam shot or the computer. second was infrastructure, road, helicopters. we had the world's most open immigration policy to attract energetic individuals. we had the most government- funded research. entrepreneurs could fall -- plucked off the flowers. that was our formula for success. it was