mr. ryan: yes. reporter: you have had success in insisting for the president that the demands he laid out aren't going to pass through congress? mr. ryan: i agree with his pillars. i think he made a good faith earth. moving into -- effort. a lottery makes no sensement converting a lottery into a merit-based system makes a lot of sense. securing our border really makes a lot of sense. and then having certainty for the daca students so that they have certainty. all of those things make sense. he was extremely reasonable in putting those pillars out there. reporter: they didn't pass the senate or the house. mr. ryan: i think that's a question for the other side. but the president i think has been extremely reasonable. who are you with? reporter: just on 1/2 tarks the question -- just on nafta, the question of -- [inaudible] -- would be a week or two -- mr. ryan: i think that's about right. reporter: do you have any indication from the administration that a nafta deal or the notice that they need to sen

mr. ryan: i'll leave what i said as what i said. reporter: to that end, you are the speaker of the house. you often talk about the importance of the house working its will. you say you don't want to turn over the floor to the minority. if there are 218 people who want to bring something to the floor, number one, -- mr. ryan: 218 republicans is what i shoot for. but i don't have 218 republicans. i want to make sure that we've got a bill that the president would actually support. reporter: to that end, the house has passed a lot of legislation during your time as speaker that has gone nowhere in the senate, which i know you don't speak for senate, it doesn't have a chance of becoming law. how is this different based on that predicate that you set up, that this has to be something -- [inaudible] mr. ryan: that's a fair question. when the senate opened up -- i forget how many votes, four or five bills. reporter: four. mr. ryan: four bills. they didn't get 60 on any of those, that surprised me. i thought they were going to get 60 on some

if i'm wrong, let mr. ryan or cohen come on your show or any other show and state unequivocally there never was and is not currently a tape of mr. trump and mr. cohen. >> mia, what do you make of that? again if this assertion is true, mr. avenotti says he can back it up, mr. trump was knowing this and was going through those calls, which might make him more careful or he found that after the fact or tonight as this makes news, because it's news worthy, what is your view of donald trump's likely mental state about this? >> i am assuming she going through the roof. i'm sure he's not taking this well. i, frankly, either scenario. if he didn't know, of course, he's delaware, if he's not taking it well, that jeff sessions didn't recuse himself, that he spent months trying to get jeff sessions to unrecuse himself, if he's beside himself about roseanne barr, i mean, let's face it, this is a lot more central to his personal scombs than roseanne bar, these got to be losing his mind. >> as you watch the cohen saga play o

cohen and mr. ryan immediately release the tapes. and if mr. wants to come out and refute what i said, he can do so. >> doesn't law enforcement have the tapes? wouldn't it be up to them to decide what material and what isn't? i don't understand why you want them released to the public. there are just conversations in there one assumes that has no bearing on this case. >> we'll let the american people decide. >> that's not how it works. law enforcement should make the decision. >> i disagree with you. there's two copies of these recordings. one is held by law enforcement. that relates to their criminal investigation, and they can do whatever they want if their copy. the other copy is being held by mr. cohen and/or his attorney, mr. ryan. if there's nothing here to hide, they ought to disclose the tapes. >> but i don't understand. why won't -- why don't you think law enforcement should be in charge of this decision? that's how it normally happens. they have the tapes. the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york and the fbi an

mr. ryan admitted that there are audio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years and that those recordings are, to quote him, not only do they exist but they are under lock and key, and some of them relate to my client and her attorney/client privilege communications. mr. cohen and his attorney, mr. ryan, should release all of those audio recordings to the american people and to congress so that they can be heard by all. >> judge wood told michael avenatti that if she did formally grant him the right to participate in her courtroom proceedsin proceedings it would change his conduct. judge wood told mr. avenatti quote that means you have to stop doing some things you have been doing. if you participate here, you would not be able to declare your opinion as to mr. cohen's guilt. it would change your conduct, that is my role in doing what mr. cohen's lawyers' wants which is to stop in its tracks your publicity tour on tv and elsewhere. i say publicity tour not in a derogatory sense. i ca

mr. ryan: mr. speaker, i have a motion at the desk. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the motion. the clerk: mr. ryan of wisconsin moves to reconsider the vote on passage of h.r. 2. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on the motion to reconsider. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. mr. hoyer: mr. speaker, on that i ask for a recorded vote. >> mr. speaker, i ask for the

mr. ryan: i too want to inis right and thank mike for being here and thank him for his service but you all need to go to gaye and go to gallagher's -- green bay and go to gallagher's pizza if you want to see good, irish pizza. so this is, as kevin just mentioned, a very, very busy week here in the house. we're sending president a number of important bills. it starts with the financial service reforms that we're going to pass today. this is a bill for the small banks that are the financial anchors of our communities. if you chris-cross the country, you will find -- crisscross the country, you will find that community banks have been drying up, we'veland losing them. that means capital has been starved to businesses that need it to expand. this will help reverse that. it addresses some of dodd-frank's biggest burdens to ease the regulatory costs on these smaller banks. costs which are ultimately transferred onto consumers. it ensures businesses have access to reliable financing. and it improves

ryan. thanks, mr. cahairman. >> so one of the things we think about here on the appropriations committee in general and in this committee on this committee in particular is when we begin doing something what's it look like today and two years from now and three years from now in the budget cycle. if we were to ask you to begin the training in a comprehensive way like we all feel it needs to happen, can you give us some perspective on what scaling that up looks like? i know you talked about some of the full-time employees and what your needs are. but can you give us a little bit more in sight what that looks like? >> well, currently we have two people doing the training who do other functions. we average about two to three sessions a week in between sessions we are, you know, spooling up for the next session. we are ready to go now full blast. our people enjoy training. like i said we have everybody on staff who is trained to do it right now. >> so moving forward there wouldn't be a significant increase

mr. steven ryan, the lead criminal defense lawyer for mr. cohen in new york, also serves as a lobbyist at his law firm, and in 2017, he was individually retained to provide services to the government of qatar. and, of course, your viewers will probably recall that we blew the lid on the relationship of michael cohen and a number of qatari nationals last week. we showed the photos and video and there were press reports in numerous press outlets that michael cohen sought money from the qatari nationals, was selling access to the president of the united states. now we have michael cohen's attorney also working for the qataris. i think it's probably a complete conflict of interest, especially if those payments are at the center of the mueller probe or may find their way into the criminal action in the southern district of new york. and if that's the case, i don't know how mr. ryan stays in the case. the last thing he should be worried about is me and my ethics. he needs to worry about him and his ethics. >> i'm going to make a note, having worke

cohen's attorney, mr. ryan, representing mr. cohen at the same time that he is working for qatar? especially in light of the qatar bribery allegations revealed earlier this week? are they paying michael cohen's legal bills? no wonder he's trying to keep me out of the case. could you expand on that? >> well, lawrence, i don't know how many times i've said it over the last eight weeks. you can't make this stuff up. we now discovered that mr. steven ryan, the lead criminal defense lawyer for michael cohen in the southern district of new york, he also serves as a lobbyist at his law firm, mcdermott, will, and emory. and in 2017, he was individually retained to provide services to the government of qatar. and, of course, your viewers will probably recall that we blew the lid on the relationship of michael cohen and a number of qatari nationals last week. we showed the photos and video and there were press reports in numerous press outlets that michael cohen sought money from the qatari nationals, was selling access to the president of the united states. now we have michael cohen's atto

mr. ryan is the former president and ceo of politico and served

mr. ryan is the former president and ceo of politico and served as chief of staff to ronald reagan after his presidency. [applause] dean, thankhank you you class of 2018 for that warm welcome to usc. it is great to be with you on this special day. just to assure you that life continues after law school, in fact long after law school, i would like to point out that several members of my class, the class of 1980, are here tonight. thank you for joining us. [applause]

and look, if we're wrong, don, lets mr. ryan, cohen's counsel who's been very vocal in his criticism of me come on your show and say there's no recordings of mr. trump. he knows to make that represent would be false these tapes exist. they're incredibly damaging. michael cohen should have never been recording conversations with the president, mr. davidson and others. and ultimately it's going to come back and bite michael cohen and the president. >> do you think these tapes, what's on them, contains attorney-client privilege. >> i think certain information on some of these tapes may be covered by the attorney-client privilege. but there may be an exception to that privilege in that if mr. trump and mr. cohen were conversing about activities that may constitute the commission of a crime, that would not be protected under the attorney-client privilege. >> so today it was revealed that michael cohen shredded some things and the fbi is trying to patch them back together. they said they needed a couple of weeks to figure it out. what

mr. ryan is the former president and ceo of politico and served as chief of staff to ronald reagan after his presidency. [applause] dean, thankhank you you class of 2018 for that warm welcome to usc. it is great to be with you on this special day. just to assure you that life continues after law school, in fact long after law school, i would like to point out that several members of my class, the class of 1980, are here tonight. thank you for joining us. [applause] frederick: and it is great to see that the home for all lawyers let you out for the day. [laughter] with two: i will begin confessions, purely voluntary, so there is no need to whip out your book of rules of evidence. have no ideastly who the commencement speaker was 38 years ago when i graduated from usc. whoever he was was not especially as firing and i take away no lasting wisdom. [laughter] frederick: so one goal for me tonight, if you are invited back 38 years from now to give a speech, i hope you won't say the same thing. [lau

mr. ryandmitted that there are audio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years and that those recordings are to quote him, not only do they exist but they are under lock and key. mr. cohen and his attorney, mr. ryan, should release all of those audio recordings to the american people and to congress so that they can be heard by all and people can make their own determination as to their importance relating to the president and whab he knew and when he knew it and what he did as it relates to conspiring with michael cohen to commit one or more potential crimes. >> let's start there. daniel goldman is with me, a former assistant federal attorney. dan, these are avenatti's claims that these tapes exist between stormy daniels's first attorney and he's apparently almost taken to quitter, almost implying perhaps trump is on the tapes, we don't know, using the #trump tapes. a, what can be on these tapes? b, how might they play here? >> well, there are two separate issues. the tapes, if there

there are many actions filed against mr ryan now u.s. federal department labor charges against him. for back wages and penalties and then there are liens on his properties by the i.r.s. the internal revenue service of the federal government because of pay taxes there's also immigration violations. in two thousand and seven individual time workers began arriving at the time and community development center in los angeles. each told a story of having to escape from what they called slavery. they came as far up north as pacific northwest state of washington oregon and then the. desert states you to arizona new mexico and going south texas louisiana florida these are the states where they skate from the farms they were on south carolina. all the way up to east coast and then of course hawaii the different islands of hawaii but it covers the entire country where the farms where the former slaves were able to sort of run away that's right. son it's was one of those who escaped. in one of. my might do you think hail but i'm not a. whole now and i now think. why do you get. what i want and

mr. ryan: you know, there is a lot of good news out there today. and let me just start with this. americans are more satisfied t

he writes, mr. ryan, that's michael cohen's lawyer. mr. ryan's submission is baseless, improper and sanctionable. they fail to address, let alone contradict, 99% of the statements in what we released. among other things, they effectively concede the receipt of the $500,000 from those with russian ties. >> av gnat day is saying, the largest issue is the ties to russia, and he is saying they concede this, and they would argue, his lawyers would argue, absolutely not, we're not conceding it. what we're doing is, we're quoting from the company here, and they are, you know, they are saying that, you know, their client, michael cohen, did strategic consulting for this company and that it had nothing to do with russians, but, you know, again, this is now -- takes this to another level. they're going to be brawling in court over this, and you know michael avenatti, he does not back down. but stephen ryan, who is michael cohen's attorney, i think here is really ready for a fight oefover this, because they believe, as they say in this, that the actua

mr. ryanudio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years and that those recordings are, to quote him, not only do they exist, but they are under lock and key and some of them relate to my client and her attorney/client privilege communications. mr. cohen and his attorney mr. ryan should release all of those audio recordings to the american people and to congress so that they can be heard by all. >> michael avenatti outside a federal court house in new york city just a few hours ago following a hearing for donald trump's former fixer michael cohen where federal prosecutors sorting through materials seized from the raid of cohen's offices and residences said they still need more time to piece together shredded documents from that raid. joining us at the table, emily jane fox, senior reporter for vanity fair and an msnbc contributor who was in the courtroom today and described it as intense. tell us what went down. >> so, it was supposed to be a procedural hearing about where michael cohen

so mr. ryan, speaker ryan, about a year ago started being strict on closing votes. and a lot of members missed votes because, you know, normally they'd leave it open for a while, and everyone comes in late and keeps voting. so members came to mr. hoyer, they said you have this great app, why can't it tell us what time to vote? and ted henderson, who made the capital bells app, had the great insight that you could actually scrape that information from a tv feed of c-span. it turns out you could only use houselive.gov which is a stream of the video of the house floor, but it's really low resolution. so i worked with ted. i thought can i use this, can i give you, you know, powered by capitol bells? he's like, sure. but it turned out his data was really bad. go back one, please. the data was really bad. just two low res. so 50 president of the time -- 50% of the time, the information was just wrong. so the innovation i had was i discovered i actually have an hd version of this. and it's on internal cable only, channel 31. and so, next slide, i now -- this is in my offic

mr. ryan: mr. speaker, i have a motion at the desk. the speaker pro tempore: the clerk will report the motion. the clerk: mr. ryan of wisconsin moves to reconsider the vote on passage of h.r. 2. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on the motion to reconsider. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. mr. hoyer: mr. speaker, on that i ask for a recorded vote. >> mr. speaker, i ask for the yeas and nays. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from maryland is recognized. the gentleman is recognized and heard. the gentleman is recognized. the recorded vote is requested. those in support of the request for a recorded vote will rise and be counted. a sufficient number having arisen, a record vote is ordered. pursuant to clause 8 of rule 20, further proceedings on this uestion will be postponed. the speaker pro tempore: the question is on agreeing to the speaker's approval of the journal. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. now if everyone would please silence their conversations. p

cohenand his attorney mr. ryan should release all of those audio recordings to the american people and congress so that they can be heard by all. a venatti withdrew his request. >> the case is far from over. >> it is the other kim meeting>> shannon: kim kardashian going to the white might. and the judge signs the right to try bill giving patients choice to use experimental drugs. they will join us live and answer the democrat's claim to help her patients more than it helps. the #1 pediatrician recommended non-drowsy brand. because to a kid a grassy hill is irresistible. children's claritin. feel the clarity and live claritin clear. wait what? directv gives you more for your thing. your... quitting cable and never looking back thing. directv is rated #1 in customer satisfaction over cable. switch to directv and now get a $100 reward card. more for your thing. that's our thing. call 1.800 directv. ways to lthe northern belly fat. percussion massage. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that's coo

cohen and his attorney, mr. ryan, should release all those audio recordings to the american people and congress so they can be heard by all. >> after court he withdrew his motion to be admitted into the case, something he can refile at a later time. >> take you. that case far from over. the other kim meeting. kim kardashian visiting the white house to discuss prison reform. donald trump signs the right to try bill aimed at giving terminally ill patients the choice to use external drugs not yet fully vetted by the fda. dr. gottlieb is the commissioner, joins us live and he will answer democrats claims that this could hurt patients more than it helps. shannon: reality tv show kim kardashian west meeting the president to ask about a pardon for alice marie johnson convicted of drug offenses. so what did jared kushner and ivanka trump have to do with putting this together? >> i will give you the connection, kind of hard to pinpoint exactly where donald trump stands when it comes to drugs and prison sentences and his admin

but tonight avenatti standing by his report tweeting, mr. ryan emphasis submission on behalf of mr. is base-class, improper and sanctionable. according to documents released by avenatti, a u.s. based company called columbus nova headed by vesselberg's cousin routed eight payments totaling approximately $800,000 to the company. issuing this statement, the firm hired michael cohen as a business consultant regarding potential sources of capital and potential investments in real estate and other ventures. well, last friday "the new york times" citing people familiar with the matter says agents for special counsel mueller confronted vexilberg as he stepped off a plane. he was sanctioned by the u.s. treasury in april this year, but has not been accused of wrongdoing in connection with the investigation to cohen. late today giuliani denied the president was involved in business dealings in question. he said the president is not involved in anyway either before or after he was president, and we don't believe mueller would have given the case away if he was involved. joining me now the autho

cohen and his attorney, mr. ryan, should release all of those audio recordings to the american people and to congress so that they can be heard by all and people can make their own determinations as to their importance relating to the president and what he knew and when he knew it and what he did as a relates to conspiring with michael cohen to commit one or more potential crimes. >> let start there. nelson cunninghkuncunningham is us. >> it's a pleasure to be here. >> michael avenatti said this tape recording exists. avenatti maintained it was privileged information. assuming avenatti is telling the truth, what could be on these tapes and do you think they'll ever be made public? >> for one thing it's one clear what avenatti's source of information is. it's unclear what he knows. remember, he asked to be part of the team that could go through the cohen documents and the judge declined to make him part of that team and today he withdrew because he wasn't going to get his way. so it's unclear what he actually knows an

avenatti writes mr. ryan submission is baseless and improper and sanctionable.they fail to address let alone contradict 99% of the statements in what we released. what do you make of that? >> well, what avenatti is saying, is that the largest issue is obviously the ties to russia. and he is saying they concede this and they would argue his lawyers would argue, absolutely not. we are not conceding it. what we are doing is quoting from the company here. and they are, you know, they are saying that their client, michael cohen did strategic consulting for this company and that it had nothing to do with russians. you know, again, this is now. takes this to another level. they are going to be brawling in court over this. and you know michael avenatti, he does not back down. but steven ryan, who is michael cohen's attorney i think here is ready for a fight over this. because they believe as they say in this that the actual bank records, they have no reason to believe that mr. avenatti is in lawful possession of michael cohen's bank records and that is going to come up

mr. ryan's submission on behalf of cohen is baseless and improper. on to say they fail to address and contradicted 99% of the statements in what we released. among other things, they concede the receipts of $500,000 with russian ties. if you can follow everything i just said there, it's such a web at this point. >> shepard: a lot to read in on. >> it is. >> shepard: takes awhile every day. >> thanks, shep. >> shepard: bye. more than six months since isis militants ambushed u.s. service members in west africa, the pentagon is telling the public some of what it knows. an eight-page summary came out and blames multiple failures, lays out recommendations that can change how forces operate in africa. since that ambush, lawmakers have been asking the pentagon for more details and what sort of missions that the u.s. troops were carrying out there. they're not supposed to be in combat at all there. four u.s. service members died in october's attack. we now know they were on a much riskier mission than commanders approved. this happened in a region of africa

mr. ryan's submission, michael cohen's attorney, on behalf is baseless and sanctionable. they fail to contradict 99% of the statements. so certainly he's continuing the fight here, not backing down and we'll see if the judge in new york entertains this. >> thank you very much. now to our national political reporter, mj lee, patrick healy and former nixon white house couns counsel, john dean. you've been breaking so much of this story. these payment frs novartis and how it was cohen who approached novartis from your reporting and you're learning more about this leadershrelationship and how it together. >> yeah, this is such a fascinating look at how access paid for and bought in washington. as to what we are told, is that cohen after the election aggressively pitched himself to multiple companies trying to say look, i know the president really well and i can give you access. i can give you a better understanding of how this administration can work. so novartis, the pharmaceutical company, struck a deal with michael cohen. a one-year deal. $100,000 a month so that cohen cou

careful in the representations they make -- and i'm spoking to you michael cohen and your counsel mr. ryan and others -- you better be careful in the representations you make in court filings and the american people because we'll prove you wrong if the need be, period. >> the u.s. treasury department inspector general is investigating this leak of information to you, are you worried at all, michael, that the information you exposed could have a very bad effect on the source of this information who put this information out there? >> i want to be clear about something. we're not agrees that anything was quote leaked to us and that's a predicate to your question. but to answer your question i'm not concerned the disclosure of this information will hamper the efforts of the fine attorneys of the southern district of new york. these are exceptional prosecutors, i'm confident they will do what they have always done and that is to bring prosecutions that hold up and they get results. >> are you willing to fully cooperate with the treasury department's inspector general? >> we are willing to coope

cohen and his attorney, mr. ryanease all of those audio recordings to the american people and to congress, so that they can be heard by all. and people can make their own determinations as to their importance relating to the president and what he knew and when he knew it, and what he did as it relates to conspiring with michael cohen to commit one or more potential crimes. >> reporter: and we know that there are still more evidence that needs to be reviewed in the criminal investigation that is going on against michael cohen and his business practices. we know that a special master assigned to this case has turned over more than a million items on three cell phones from michael cohen and much more to do. >> we had known that michael cohen was routinely recording phone conversations he had over these many months, and maybe many years. what seems to be rather new and potentially very explosive, if someone of those conversations that he recorded included phone conversations he had with donald trump. either as a candidat

my view is ryan bounds hasn't even cleared that low bar. mr. bounds misled the independent committee that considers potential nominees in oregon by withholding inflammatory writings that reveal disturbing views on sexual assault and on communities of people who are vulnerable and disadvantaged. he's had ample opportunity to clean up this mess, express remorse, and explain how his views have changed, but i haven't seen it. the comments that i've seen suggest mr. bounds views this as a matter of poor word choice and youthful indiscretion, an issue that he can almost dismiss with a small wave of the hand. in my view, that's wrong. he's wrong. and an individual up for a lifetime seat on a federal bench has an obligation to do better than that. yet his nomination has moved forward anyway. this action by the majority, what will happen tomorrow unless common sense and goodwill and tradition prevail tonight, the majority is going to throw in the dust bin a century of bipartisan tradition. tomorrow will cheapen the advice and consent role of the united

cohen and his attorney mr. ryan should release all of those audio recordings to the american people and to congress so they can be heard by all and people can make their own determinations as to their importance relating to the president and what he knew and when he knew it, and what he did as it relates to conspireing with michael cohen to commit one or more potential crimes. thank you. >> and let's -- there you have it. michael avenatti, stormy daniels' lawyer, not a surprise that he would be there today. a big day in court. amazing tom winter just saying they're going to be putting back together shredded papers. that didn't work out for humpty dumpty. >>> next, disturbing new data on prison data. certain americans get more time than others even for the same crimes. we're going to break down the numbers and talk about how the system could be fixed. a lot of people are focussed on prison reform. apparently kim kardashian is heading to talk about it in the oval office with the president. ...the only eye drop... ...a

bill as our vehicle in telling us how it is the president's tweeting support for the farm bill, mr. ryaneaker of the house from the president's own party, they have the majority, how it is that it failed. >> it's rare for a bill to be brought to 9 floor of the house and to go down. they usually pull it first. i suppose they decided they'd go ahead with the vote and let the chips fall where they may. it does show that paul ryan, the speaker, his hold on the party is beginning to crumble. i suppose that was to be expected. he's a lame duck. there's a reason most have not announced their retirement ahead of time. they haven't announced they were going to step down at the end of the year because they have a lot of power over members. they can threaten and promise and pledge various things. suddenly you're the lame duck speaker. people are a little less intimidated. it's kind of a hodgepodge of special interests and payoffs to various groups, and it's been a traditional limited government conservative complaint, the farm bills and liberals have disliked it for various reasons as well. the con

mr. ryanted that there are audio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years and that those recordings are, to quote him, not only do they exist burks them are under lock and key and some of them relate to my client and her attorney/client privilege communications. >> he's now saying he knows that some of it has to do with stormy daniels' former lawyer and that the president is on one of these tapes. >> to cut through the jargon, what happened today is avenatti has to make the argument that this criminal investigation to. >> this is not the lawsuit. this is the federal government criminally looking into cohen. >> is so important to his adult film actress client that he should be allowed to parachute into new york to pretend he's barred in new york and have standing to also review the documents in the case. and the judge was like come on. >> no harm in trying but that doesn't seem like it's going to happen. >> she was like slow your roll there, sir. avenatti has already withdrawn his mot

not return e-mails, numerous e-mails for comment, ha shette did not decline comment his lawyer, mr. ryanot comment, but you know, amid all this stuff and i'll tell you i do have a full write up on fox business.com that's coming. what it's like to be michael cohen right now from a business standpoint. he was described to me as vacillating between periods where he wants to fight back publicly, his lawyers telling him not to, and periods of severe depression because this is one example of how his business has been hurt by all these disclosures that came out, so michael cohen, read it on fox business.com. i lay it out there. he had a book deal like corey lewandowski had one with another publisher, its been pulled probably for good, definitely indefinitely, and my story does give an inside look into what it's like being michael cohen and trying to remain in business. i mean, from a personal standpoint if you know him and i talk to people that know him this is very sad. his kids are upset. his wife is upset. he's worried about how to make the next buck. liz: maybe he's ready to say, i'll tell

mr. ryan admitted that there are audio recordings that michael cohen was taking for years. not only do they exist, but they are under lock and key and some of them relate to my client and her attorney/client privilege communications. >> you're calling these the trump tapes. that is very interesting. that's very exciting. but you don't in fact know whether donald trump is or is not on any of the tapes yet. >> well, i know for a fact that donald trump is on at least one of these recordings already. i'm not going to -- >> how do you know that? >> i won't get into details of how i know that. >> but would you say that in court? >> absolutely. >> so you're saying as a matter of fact you know that at least in one occasion he is on the tape. >> yes. >> you know that because you have heard that tape? >> i won't get into -- >> if you haven't heard that tape do you know that or think that because someone told you that? >> let me answer your question, okay. on at least one of the recordings donald trump is on one of the recordings, at least one of them. i know that for fact. i stand be

i mean, this is going out the door, mr. ryanace. it's not his strength. >> we were never told why he was asked for his resignation and we still don't have an answer. >> and now he stays. >> they are not very good at politics right now, which is shocking. like republicans have always been better -- they're horrible at governing, i would argue, but better at politics. this is not good politics. >> no, it seems an unforced error. speaking of unforced errors, the leader on the other side, we were talking about this earlier, a day after nancy pelosi says, i intend to run for speaker, you bet i'm running for speaker, now she gets to "washington post" finds all these congressional candidates, i'm not voting for her for speaker. why bring attention to this? >> i don't know. i think there are a lot of issues that congressional candidates would like to be talking about, particularly economically -- [ all speak at once ] -- but now you have them having to answer these questions, it throws democrats off message. i think it's an unforced err

and michael cohen and mr. ryantack on us earlier tonight, they can clear all of this up. all they have to do is submit the bank statements, provide the bank statements on this account for 16 or 18 months. >> let's say that michael cohen is marketing himself as a business consultant. he told the court in the sdny case that he has business consulting clients. and let's just say he is good at talking people into giving him money. yeah, sure i can help you out with your tax problems. i can help you out with your regulatory issues, and he is a good salesman, and he is convincing these companies to hire him because he is a business consultant who can solve their problems. doesn't that just show that he is a good talker? there is nothing necessarily nefarious in him getting business consulting gigs for which he is unqualified. it doesn't necessarily mean that the money is being passed through him for some other nefarious purpose. it just means that those companies didn't do their due diligence, right? >> it could mean tha