that is not what mr zuma says. well...ns "confronting the enemy, and always understanding who we are and who they are." and he says — and i am going to quote him directly — "0ur enemies, trying to destroy the anc and take control of the country are," to use his phrase, "the representatives of white monopoly capital." well, let me tell you what's the nub of the problem. is that he uses himself and his name as a metonymy for the anc. and so for each one of his personal indiscretions, he expects the anc to defend him, and, by so doing, he is then in a position to say "well done, you have defended the anc very well." but it is the anc. you see? so you think that is a complete abuse, a manipulation of the movement? he is a member of the anc. he is the leader of the anc. he found it already in existence with a culture and values and laws. so he cannot impose a substitute of his own indiscretions for the anc. but it's notjust mr zuma, though, is it? i mean, the chief whip, jackson mthembu, he's talking about disciplining renegade

in terms of the ex—wife of the president, mrs zuma, if i can call it that, she is good to be sworn inn't to be very quickly promoted to a senior position in cabinet in preparation, because jacob zuma clearly believes she is the best candidate to be party chief. how would you respond to that? i would not be surprised if that? i would not be surprised if that happens. she has remained on the reserve list of the anc for parliament, and so, i suppose, the reserve list of the anc for parliament, and so, isuppose, it the reserve list of the anc for parliament, and so, i suppose, it is time for her to take her place. she remained on a reserve list even during her tour of duty as the commission share. if she were to become the next head of the anc would that be a good thing or not? well, that will be up to...iam thing or not? well, that will be up to... i am asking you personally. as a senior member of the anc. would it be healthy, or not? it depends whether she gets elected. as a consequence of the free expression of the will of the members of the anc. because if she is sponsored by a networ