mr. anderson as being the source. >> i don't know anything about this. i'm not here to disparage mr. herman. >> sean, this is absolutely fabrication, man. excuse me. excuse me. >>> big surprise, the drip, drip, drip continues, and tonight of course we have new details about the alleged, i did say alleged, didn't i? the alleged incident that led a female employee of republican front-runner herman cain to accuse him of sexual harassment and the national restaurant association to negotiate her exit with a cash settlement. politico reports the woman in question, roughly 30 years old at the time, told one of the sources cain made a suggestion that she felt was overtly sexual in nature and that she perceived that her job was at risk if she didn't do it. the sources say the woman tol them cain invited her to his hotel room at the event and that both the context and the way cain phrased the invitation made her feel extremely uncomfortable, even incensed. here's herman cain's version of that incident on fox news on tuesday. >> one of the few details in that original politico piece was whether

he hired a general consultant, curt anderson. mr. cain divulged the nra claims to -- >> national restaurant association. >> exactly. mr. anderson. so the campaign at that point would be prepared if the issue surfaced. it did not. approximately two weeks ago, as you know, mr. anderson went to work for the rick perry campaign. what else happened about two weeks ago? politico began this smear campaign citing anonymous sources claiming mr. cain acted inappropriately. >> mr. anderson told "forbes" he was not the source of the leak. a perry spokesman told nbc news tonight, no one in our campaign was involved in the story at any way. perry's camp pointed the finger at mitt romney, saying, i wouldn't have put it past them. a perry spokesman said this -- there are blog postings around as well discussing that cain's successor at the restaurant association is a big romney donor and some of the board members. there are much closer connections between the restaurant association, cain and the romney camp than there are with us. but there is anothe

mr. anderson, i appreciate your time tonight. nks for confirming that story. >> you're very welcome. >>> now let's bring in matthew mangino, former district attorney of lawrence county, pennsylvania. mr. mangino, the change of the judge -- in changing judges, the statement from the court system pointed out that the new judge has absolutely no connections with the school, the charity, or any of its representatives. what's your reaction to this move today? >> well, i think it's a wise move, ed. it appears that the center county courts had asked that an outside magistrate be appointed. center county has 150,000 people.vÑçóo[]% there are six magistrate judges and four trial judges there. it would be difficult to find somebody who's not an alum, not a donor, not a season ticket holder, not a volunteer or lecturer at penn state. going outside of the county was the prudent thing to do. >> i want to ask you about an e-mail that surfaced in which penn state assistant coach mike mcquery said he did have discussions@m%q!uájtp!out the inciden

mr. anderson as being the source. we were absolutely thrilled that he came on your show and said that it wasn't because mr. cain has always had the utmost respect for him. i'm going to do the same thing that mr. anderson has done and move on, talk about issues and get off of this silliness as he called it, and let's get on with the campaign. megyn: do you stand down then from your axis that the perry -- accusation that the perry campaign is behind what you have refer today as a smear? >> i will stand behind what we said yesterday and was, again, thrilled that mr. anderson said it didn't come from him. megyn: with apologies, but i think i might be confused. yesterday you accused the perry campaign of being behind it, and today you say what? >> the things that we had been told yesterday as an example, i think that you had also reported it that a lawyer for one of the superpacs supporting perry had had some erroneous intimation on a radio station oklahoma. until we get all the facts, you know, i'm just going to say that w

mr. anderson. so the campaign at that point would be prepared if the issue surfaced. >> jon: by 2011, his memory hadñr become... all faded. >> i am unaware of any sort of settlement. i hope it wasn't for much because i didn't do anything. >> jon: oh, you didn't? that's too bad because they paid her $482 million. and the second problem with herman cain's blame the media story line is that the first place cable news network is doing the best to help him. >> do you think others in the media have been giving too much credence to these right now anonymous allegations? politico chose not to name the women involved in these two cases which i found interesting. >> jon: very interesting. anyone who used anonymous sources should be drummed out of jumblism unless.... >> an unnamed senior white house official tells politico the union flushed ten million of their members' money down the toilet on a pointless exercise. that's a quote. many believe it's from rahm emanuel. all politico says is senior white house o

kurt anderson. mr. cain divulgeed the nra claims that time to the consultant. >> bret: national restaurant association. >> exactly. mr. anderson, so the campaign at that point would be prepared if the issue surfaced. it did not. approximately two weeks ago as you know, mr. anderson went to work for the rick perry campaign. what else happened about two weeks ago? politico began this smear campaign citing anonymous sources claiming mr. mccain acted inappropriately. >> bret: now let me say that kurt anderson has given politico a quote saying he didn't know about this before the story ran. he has great respect for herman cain and his character. i would never speak ill of him on the record or off the record. that is true today and it's not going to change. you say that is a lie? >> it's an outrage. as i said before, rick perry needs to apologize to herman cain and frankly to america. >> bret: another veteran pollster with the, used to be with the national restaurant association chris wilson. he is now workin

mr. anderson went to work for the rick perry campaign. what else happened about two weeks ago? politico began this smear campaign citing anonymous sources claiming mr. cain acted inappropriately. >> in the interest of fairness, i want to read ray sullivan, the communications director had this to say, this charge is both reckless and false. for a candidate and campaign claiming to be victims of unfounded accusations they are often quick to hurl unfounded accusations themselves. there is no one shroud of evidence that they had anything to do with recent story regarding herman cain because it simply isn't true. suggesting there is no room here, no wiggle room, that rick perry had nothing to do with it. is there a strategy in what herman cain is doing? it feels a little catch as catch can. >> in a way it is working, they are trying to turn the focus away from them to the rick perry campaign. but that's only a short term solution. at the end of the day the story is the story nbc news confirmed with accusations from two different women, one of whom we've been able to confirm ended up

he hired a general consultant, kurt anderson. mr. cain divulged the nra claims at that time to his general consultant -- >> national restaurant association. >> exactly. mr. anderson. so, the campaign at that point would be prepared if the issue surfaced. it did not. approximately two weeks ago as you know mr. anderson went to work for the rick perry campaign. what else happened about two weeks ago? politico began this smear campaign citing anonymous sources claiming mr. cain acted inappropriately. >> so, chuck, i mean, really in the weeds, talking about consultants and how this works. now, for the record, kurt anderson who advising the perry campaign has denied being involved. rick perry said no one in my campaign has any involvement in how this information got out. is this a strategy on herman cain's part to try and turn this story into sniping? it looks like a circular firing squad for republicans which, you know, probably doesn't help any of them. >> reporter: well, no, it does look like that this is the strategy that they sort of

mr. anderson being the source. we were absolutely thrilled that he came on your show and said that it wasn't because mr. cain always had the utmost respect for him. i'm going to do the same thing that mr. anderson has done and move on and talk about issues and get off of this silliness. >>reporter: that is a shift, now, as the perry camp blamed the romney camp. perry communications director was saying he would not put it past the romney cain knowing the successor at national successor at the restaurant association has contributed to romney and romney called that "not true." >>shepard: this is like kids running for student council. what a clown show! >>reporter: sorted of like a firing squad in many respects and today we had the attorney bennett who represented one of the restaurant association employees, and has accused cain, wants to wake the clients confidentiality. here is bennett. >> i will send by e-mail this morning to the restaurant association's tone, a draft statement of my client's position for the restau

mr. anderson has issued a statement denying that directly and contradicting cain's assertion that he, mr. anderson, had been briefed, quote: i had never heard any of these allegations until i read them in politico. nor does anything i read in my press -- in the press change my opinion that herman cain is an outstanding man and gentleman. i have great respect for herman and his character and i would never speak ill of him. for the record the communications director ray sullivan has also so issued a statement saying, quote: no one in our campaign was involved in this story in any way. any claim to the contrary is patently false. the first we learned of it is when we read the story in politico. also worth noting, shep, that perry aids have been quick to point out that many romney supporters have close ties to the national restaurant association suggesting, perhaps, that the romney camp started this. they, too adamantly deny any fingerprints and any responsibility for. >> shepard: this anderson guy is not the only reported connection here, right? >> well, or potential connection as alleged by

mr. anderson went to work for the rick perry campaign. what else happened about two weeks ago? politico began this smear campaign citing anonymous cain inappropriately. >> question, was it smart of cain's staff to accuse the perry campaign as being behind this? >> you know, i don't think it was smart. i suppose it's an attempt to divert attention from him and face all politico. but i don't think it's going to help. i don't think -- >> that's why it's authentic, right? >> he backed off but since then, so i don't think that that -- >> backed off his own statements we just saw? >> yes. >> yes, because the aide or works for rick perry came forward and said that he never heard any of this and he denied it. and mark said well, until -- >> the person we just saw? >> yes, ma'am then you have the perry campaign claiming it was the -- so what you have is this wonderful, delicious -- >> john, what cain is doing -- >> they're shooting at each other! that's right. >> what cain is doing is all this animus and hatred of the liberal press, redirect that over to perry. lateral the ball to him.

mr. anderson here, frank? apparently, uh, zach's darren's new groupie. that's not how it is.h felt guilty. he came to pick me up. i don't have a car. and why would he feel guilty? i told you before. we're very close friends. i wanted to do anything i could to help out. is there something you're not telling us? look, that could've been me in prison for 19 years. darren and i used to walk home from track practice every day after school, but i didn't get dragged into this mess because the one day that i didn't walk back home-- that was the day that everything happened. all right, we're gonna separate you two. we have a few questions for darren. caine: seem like you're in a rush, mr. riggs. well, i... i would just rather be anywhere but here. okay, explain to me then why the same weapon was used on two different men 20 years apart. how should i know? because you have intimate details of the case. (laughs): is this some cosmic joke? first you arrest me, and now, you're gonna accuse me for two murders that i didn't do. you killed rocco today, liked you killed troy faber 19 years ag

mr. anderson here, frank? apparently, uh, zach's darren's new groupie. that's not how it is.ach felt guilty. he came to pick me up. i don't have a car. and why would he feel guilty? i told you before. we're very close friends. i wanted to do anything i could to help out. is there something you're not telling us? look, that could've been me in prison for 19 years. darren and i used to walk home from track practice every day after school, but i didn't get dragged into this mess because the one day that i didn't walk back home-- that was the day that everything happened. all right, we're gonna separate you two. we have a few questions for darren. caine: seem like you're in a rush, mr. riggs. well, i... i would just rather be anywhere but here. okay, explain to me then why the same weapon was used on two different men 20 years apart. how should i know? because you have intimate details of the case. (laughs): is this some cosmic joke? first you arrest me, and now, you're gonna accuse me for two murders that i didn't do. you killed rocco today, liked you killed troy faber 19 years

mr. anderson has done, move on, talk about issues and get off of this silliness and let's get on with the campaign. >> the "new york times" reports that one of the women who settled received $45,000. she is now ask the restaurant association to release her from the confidential agreement and it is considering that request. the associated press is reporting allegations that two more women may have been sexually harassed. cain as a the allegations will not deter me. >> thank you for that. >>> some good performances today for world stock markets. they were up across the board in asia on the news that greece's prime minister has scrapped plans to put the plan up for a popular vote. he addressed the parliament thursday to seal bipartisan support for the plan. he says he has it so a public referendum is no longer needed. >>> president obama continuing to meet with leaders at the g- 20 summit in france. the group is working on finding ways for the international monetary fund to do more to calm the prices. leaders are discussing a declaration that would commit countries to stabilize the world eco

mr. anderson about sexual harassment charges. s that can't be reconciled. >> what does this do for herman cain? i mean, this can't be good for herman cain. >> i mean, the entire story isn't good for herman cain. don't forget, two stories here. one is a political story about who leaked what. >> he said/he said about he said/she said. >> the other story which is a question of sexual harassment. we have not put faces on the women who have apparently made these charges. we've talked to one of the woman's attorneys and she doesn't want, as he told me last night, she doesn't want to become anita hill. so, she doesn't want to go out there. so, this thing is going to have to play itself out. it's been my experience, though, once you start pulling at the strings of one of these stories, the spool tend to come unraveled. but, we'll just have to see how this story plays out. >> even the nature of the allegations is still unclear because you have women who chose, in some cases, not to make an allegation or settled instead of making an allegat

mr. anderson had said. and we want to move on with the >> yesterday, i said they better be right that it was somebody on the perry campaign before they make an accusation like that. but on the leak question, i don't think it matters how a reporter found out about it because that's the way that politics does anything. if the score turned out not to be true, i not matter, but it'sa leak. >> you know what's going on here. herman cain's numbers among skifftives have gone up result of this. initially they thought it was an attack on black conservatives, but if it turns t to be cmg fr one ofhis gop riva, th're kely to be sen io e wilderness. allit doe is peretuate the story for another a. whwould you-- if thwa tu the page, why wou they coinue tdrge u ths story? e way thhandled t media is absolutely -- >>let tell ou at and then he wald with megan, t whatapned steay a thd gi ce orwd an said i might wants to cues herman cainf it andlooerhere right now. >> that was p, adap quoing th woman anonymously, who never filed

mr. anderson had said.yesterday, i said they better be right that it was somebody on the perry campaign before they make an accusation like that. but on the leak question, i don't think it matters how a reporter found out about it because that's the way that politics does anything. if the score turned out not to be true, i not matter, but it'sa leak. >> you know what's going on here. herman cain's numbers among skifftives have gone up result of this. initially they thought it was an attack on black conservatives, but if it turns out to be coming from one of his gop rivals, they're likely to be sent into the wilderness. >> all it does is perpetuate the story for another day. why would you -- if they want to turn the page, why would they continue to dredge up this story? the way they handled the media is absolutely -- >> let me tell you what and then he walked with megan, but what happened yesterday, a third girl came forward and said i might wants to cues herman cain of it, and look over here right now. >> t

he hired a general consultant, curt anderson. mr.ims at that time to his general consultant. >> national restaurant association. >> exactly. mr. anderson, so the campaign, at that point, would be prepared if the issue surfaced. >> but by 2011, his memory had become, oh, faded. >> i am unaware of any sort of settlement. i hope it wasn't for much, because i didn't do anything. >> oh, you didn't! that's too bad, because they paid her $482 million! >> so jon stewart poking fun at presidtial candidate herman cain there, but the fact of the matter is the cain campaign is facing some pretty serious sexual harassment allegations. about 15 minutes from now, there is the shot, he's going to face reporters about this growing scandal. i want to bring back our mega panel, karen, susan, and jimmy. karen, when we talk about the fact that sharon bialek has come out to put a face and a name to all of this, how do you think that women have reacted to her? do you think that women have embraced the fact that this woman has stepped forward or do you thin

mr. anderson has done and move on and talk about issues and get off of the silliness as he call today and get on with the campaign. curt anderson expressed befuddledment over being targeted. >> all a person has. and i didn't know about this and certainly didn't peddle it. >> the herman cain campaign believes that perry's people are behind the leak. herman cain stuck to the original accusation. >> the fingerprints are all over the rick perry campaign based on our sources and we went public. we didn't dig it up. another reporter dug it up. and basically blew it out of porportion. >> the herman cain campaign struggled to move on and there is a photo of cain eating with henry kissenger and the crisis showed no sign of ebbing and there is a attorney asking the national restaurant association to have his client's confidentiality waived so she could issue eye statement. >> she is anxious for it to go away. >> the restaurant association responded and currently reviewing the document and plan to respond tomorrow. herman cain did not respopped - respond to a report of a third woman who was made to

mr. anderson has done, and move on, talk about issues, and get off of this silliness and get on with the campaign. >> a lawyer for one of the women who made the claims says he sent a request to the national restaurant association to get off the gag order. the nra says it's reviewing the request and will have an answer later today. >>> a follow-up now on a recent killing near old town alexandria. >> the 18-year-old is awaiting extradition from georgia to face murder charges. >>> new developments in the murder of howard university sophomore alonzo guyton. 18-year-old michael jordan and 21-year-old lorenzo carlton was arrested. police believe the motive was robbery. a third suspect, william knight was arrested last week. all three charged with first degree murder. >>> new details about the murder of a maryland mother and her young son. police say she was killed inside her home last month because her estranged husband, curtis lopez wanted her car and television. her 11-year-old son william was found dead in the woods miles from home. the state's attorney says he'll also soon be charged in wi

mr. anderson has done and move on, talk about issues and get off of this silliness, as he called it and let's get on with the campaign. >> a lawyer for one of cain's accusers says he has sent a request to the national restaurant association to get out of confidentiality agreement. it is now reviewing that request and will have an answer later today. cain's campaign is actually getting a bump since the allegations raising $1.2 million since the news surfaced. >> thank you. >>> the greek debt crisis and how it could affect the u.s. are president obama's priorities at the g-20 summit some france today. president is meeting with world lead are appear said the most important task is to resolve the financial crisis gripping europe. he and french president nicholas sarkozy hope to achieve that goal before the summitt wraps up later today. >>> now, you know it is being called a persistent threat to the u.s. economy and security. are computers under attack by foreign governments? next. >>> dozens of people trapped in a mine explosion. we'll get the latest coming up. aur fgo  >>> we

mr. anderson, i guess, denies it. of course he would. but the whole thing is a mess, right? >> the story was that anderson worked for cain when he ran for the senate six years ago. >> bill: unsuccessfully. >> yeah. >> bill: right. >> cain briefed him on the charge, the sexual harassment charge, said it was baseless. and then anderson was hired by perry a week before politico got the story and anderson regularly contributes to politico. so it's a circumstantial case but it's an interesting one. >> bill: all right. but it's a mess. >> yeah. it's a mess and nobody wins in this kind of stuff. as far as anybody directly involved. anderson or cain. now, you just heard michele bachmann. >> look, bill, i have been around a long time. and this is speed bump, pothole that happens in every campaign. george bush sr. was accused of having an affair. george bush 43 had a drunk driving thing that came out right before the election. bill clinton had flowers and he had the draft. kerry had exaggerating about his war record. mccain was linked to having an affair with a lobbyist. it happens. ob

mr. anderson has done. and move on, talk about issues.et off of this silliness as he called it and let's get on with the campaign. >> earlier today anderson told fox news that he was per perplexed as to why he was wrongly fingered leaking settlement and from candidate and campaign that he admired. >> all a person really has, you know, in this life is their integrity and their character. you know, i didn't know anything about. this and certainly didn't peddle it. >> the perry's campaign is r. all over the leaks. he is sticking to that is right path the story. >> we are getting a clue i guess. read on a couple of sites about the money involved in these settlements. not small. >> not small. one case settled for $35,000. another case for $45,000. not small by most people's opinion. employment attorneys who we spoke to today said both amounts are very small and might be indicative of relatively week cases by comparison. we may learn more about the cases tomorrow when the national restaurant association says it will respond to the request to wa

mr. anderson has said, and we want to move on with the campaign. >> nia, you were thrilled, you call the man out, you want the man has put the whole thing out, you call for an apology, and you come back and say i'm thrilled. we always liked the guy. then what were you talking about last night? >> right. this is just another reversal from this campaign. he still believes -- they singled out politico, saying they're considering legal options in terms of what politico has done in their reporting. they are very much playing the blame game, but it seems they can't get their stories straight, whether it's perry, whether it's racist liberals. it's just a mess. one of the things that will damaging is as the more details come out, the more flesh that gets on this story, that will be damaging. herman cain has been in a position where we don't really know the details, so he's had some details trickle out, but the more and more these women begin to want to speak and put the story out there, i think that could be damaging to him, and as well, also very damaging. of course he's had this preemptive def