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mr. brennan and former c.i.a. officials have characterized it in order to minimize its significance. i have reviewed this document, and it is significant and relevant as it gets. the refusal to provide the full patent review and the refusal to acknowledge facts detailed in both the committee study and the patent review lead to one disturbing finding. director brennan and the c.i.a. today are continuing to willfully provide inaccurate information and misrepresent the efficacy of torture. in other words, the c.i.a. is lying. this is not a problem of the past, madam president, but a problem that needs to be dealt with today.
mr. brennan and former c.i.a. officials have characterized it in order to minimize its significance. i have reviewed this document, and it is significant and relevant as it gets. the refusal to provide the full patent review and the refusal to acknowledge facts detailed in both the committee study and the patent review lead to one disturbing finding. director brennan and the c.i.a. today are continuing to willfully provide inaccurate information and misrepresent the efficacy of torture. in...
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mr. brennan himself is career cia and was there in the cia these eventsen were going on.was very defensive of his own staff. he made the case that the report was one-sided, but he did not argue that they did not torture. that itso didn't argue could be proven that those enhanced interrogation techniques necessarily lead to valuable information. >> it was interesting. what is really fascinating is that the white house has made it clear that they are not going to get into this debate. in 2008 made obama it clear he believed these techniques were not useful. by banning their use in 2009 as soon as he became president, he was voting that they are not useful and would not be in the future. his own cia chief would not take a position on it. >> he said himself at odds with former cia directors who have said quite adamantly that these were valuable techniques that directly save lives. john brennan did not go that far. >> he didn't. that's why i said he's walking a delicate line. you could see from his statements that he wanted to make a defense that they may have been useful, but
mr. brennan himself is career cia and was there in the cia these eventsen were going on.was very defensive of his own staff. he made the case that the report was one-sided, but he did not argue that they did not torture. that itso didn't argue could be proven that those enhanced interrogation techniques necessarily lead to valuable information. >> it was interesting. what is really fascinating is that the white house has made it clear that they are not going to get into this debate. in...
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mr. brennan as to did he know about it, and when did he know about it?e stonewalled that, so i lost confidence in him sometime ago. i tried literally for years to get the cia to make available to the american public a certain cable which came before the war against iraq from our embassy in prague, which is a pretty devastating cable. it's still classified, so i can't talk much about it here. even dave petraeus when he was there said cia would not declassify that cable. there's no justification for keeping it classified. because the folks in the czech republic in prague where the event took place have no objection to it being declassified, but still, they are stonewalling it. the cia releasing a cable which shines a very significant spotlight on the bush misleading statements prior to the iraq war when they alleged that there was a connection between the people who attacked us on 9/11 and saddam hussein when there was no such connection. >> you mentioned a moment ago that you lost long ago confidence in john brennan, formerly of the obama white house. but
mr. brennan as to did he know about it, and when did he know about it?e stonewalled that, so i lost confidence in him sometime ago. i tried literally for years to get the cia to make available to the american public a certain cable which came before the war against iraq from our embassy in prague, which is a pretty devastating cable. it's still classified, so i can't talk much about it here. even dave petraeus when he was there said cia would not declassify that cable. there's no justification...
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mr. brennan has continued his service as director of the c.i.a. the president believes he's done an exemplary job in both of those roles. and the president is pleased that he is able to rely on the advice of a dedicated professional like mr. brennan to protect the united states and our interest. >> is he right on this? >> again, john. a those not a small question. >> it's not a small question, but it's a smaller question, then, whether or not these kinds of interrogation techniques are worth it. and again because of the way they undermine the moral authority of the united states and because the moral authority of the united states is such a powerful weapon as we try to protect our interests around the globe, the president does not believe those kinds of techniques should be used. >> the c.i.a. -- >> that's why he's acted unilaterally to unequivocally outlaw them. did he so in his second day of office. >> the c.i.a. said yesterday that these tactics providing information that helped prevent another mass casualty attack. if that is true, if these ta
mr. brennan has continued his service as director of the c.i.a. the president believes he's done an exemplary job in both of those roles. and the president is pleased that he is able to rely on the advice of a dedicated professional like mr. brennan to protect the united states and our interest. >> is he right on this? >> again, john. a those not a small question. >> it's not a small question, but it's a smaller question, then, whether or not these kinds of interrogation...
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mr. brennan, mr. hayden, and other heads of the cia and the officers themselves. unfortunately, we will really never know that because senator feinstein and her staff decided they would not interview any of the officials were the operators or analysts, the professionals who actually carried out these interrogations, to find out why they did it and whether they gleaned useful information from it. so senator udall going to the floor, calling our professionals liars, i think is untoward. guest: that goes to why the american public needs to see the report. we have the right to make judgments for ourselves. on steve's point on how the senate committee did not interview all the relevant actors, they relied on primary evidence. look at the footnotes in the executive summary. there are some 3000 footnotes in the 500 pages. they are replete with references to e-mails, to live communications, to what was happening on the ground in 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006. i think this is why we need this information out there, so the american people can make their own assessment ab
mr. brennan, mr. hayden, and other heads of the cia and the officers themselves. unfortunately, we will really never know that because senator feinstein and her staff decided they would not interview any of the officials were the operators or analysts, the professionals who actually carried out these interrogations, to find out why they did it and whether they gleaned useful information from it. so senator udall going to the floor, calling our professionals liars, i think is untoward. guest:...
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mr. brennan admit you can't make that connection. while there may have been some good -- he made the point a couple of times they did find some useful information. but for every penny's worth of useful information, we did a dollar's worth of damage. i think it's right it's good it stopped. i never heard him say torture and i never heard him say crime. that's what these are. >> that would be the step they simply can't go to for a bunch of reasons, including legal reasons at this point. if the director accepts that word and uses that word, that could create some legal complications. >> i think that's right. the cia has worked very hard to avoid legal liability for its personnel. the cia does have a challenge when it comes to prosecuting things like this. i think they want to avoid that if they can. >> colonel, when the director says that this -- some of these cases were investigated and they did not find prosecutable cases, i find that language interestingly careful. and it may be that they simply didn't have enough evidence to prosecu
mr. brennan admit you can't make that connection. while there may have been some good -- he made the point a couple of times they did find some useful information. but for every penny's worth of useful information, we did a dollar's worth of damage. i think it's right it's good it stopped. i never heard him say torture and i never heard him say crime. that's what these are. >> that would be the step they simply can't go to for a bunch of reasons, including legal reasons at this point. if...
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mr. brennan yesterday provided a much more balanced account, acknowledging mistakes.t that we need to talk about these drone programs. i think that's fair conversation and within the country and internationally but what we got yesterday was a much more balanced, less one-sided view of what happened than i think it worth understanding. we had a report that came out from a democratic committee with democratic members only on the senate and now we have somebody coming from a democratic administration and trusted by the president to run the cia, his word deserved a lot of weight. >> david rothkopf, you tweeted yesterday, "why does john brennan say my fervent hope is we can put aside this debate. why would administration want it set aside." what is your point? >> this is barack obama. he came into office. he said he wanted more transparency. now that he's been sitting in the office for six years, he's saying perhaps that's enough. i think we need to ask the question why. i think drones are part of the reason why. i think the nsa scandal is part of the reason why. i think w
mr. brennan yesterday provided a much more balanced account, acknowledging mistakes.t that we need to talk about these drone programs. i think that's fair conversation and within the country and internationally but what we got yesterday was a much more balanced, less one-sided view of what happened than i think it worth understanding. we had a report that came out from a democratic committee with democratic members only on the senate and now we have somebody coming from a democratic...
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mr. brennan in terms of somebody who -- whose advice the president is pleased he can rely on to keep the untry safe. mr. comey is somebody who does have a strong track record and there have been other instances, even in his service in the previous administration, where he stood up for and advocated for important civil liberties protections and this is somebody -- >> you're attacking bush administration policies but you have two of the architects of those policies serving in two of the most -- >> i don't think that's fair description. i don't think that is a fair description. >> john brennan, served in the bush administration as well. >> i don't think it is fair to describe him as an architect. >> you don't see any contradiction between him endorsing the policies the president attacking -- >> what i can tell you is the president of the united states has complete confidence in the professionalism of these individuals and complete confidence these two individuals who serve in important leadership positions on his national security team are following the law and doing everything necessary to
mr. brennan in terms of somebody who -- whose advice the president is pleased he can rely on to keep the untry safe. mr. comey is somebody who does have a strong track record and there have been other instances, even in his service in the previous administration, where he stood up for and advocated for important civil liberties protections and this is somebody -- >> you're attacking bush administration policies but you have two of the architects of those policies serving in two of the...
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mr. brennan talking about the agency review team.et me just very quickly address one more point here. >> quickly. >> the notion that the interrogations disrupted plots is completely refuted by the summary, i'll finally say this. i would love to see the entire report revealed because if jose rodriguez wants to try to make the case that there are false hoodz in here, let's get the whole record out there so folks have the opportunity to truly somewhere for themselves. >> okay. i'm being fair to both sides here. the last thing that i want to ask you because please answer this for me. is it more humane for president obama to kill people andors around those people, with drone strikes or to use some of the techniques that were involved in this report. >> way above my pay grade, gretchen. what i will say is i run a company that we had investigations -- complex investigations all aron the world. if any of my teams had brought me a report that they took this much time on and they said here's a draft of this report, they hadn't bothered to go o
mr. brennan talking about the agency review team.et me just very quickly address one more point here. >> quickly. >> the notion that the interrogations disrupted plots is completely refuted by the summary, i'll finally say this. i would love to see the entire report revealed because if jose rodriguez wants to try to make the case that there are false hoodz in here, let's get the whole record out there so folks have the opportunity to truly somewhere for themselves. >> okay....
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mr. brennan we do things wrong. this is really wrong.doubt about the exquit sit form of torture that waterboarding is the second thing about, bill, and this is a fact. and anybody who has been subjected to this kind of thing will tell that you if you inflict enough physical pain on someone, they will tell you anything they think you want to hear in order to make it stop and that's just a fact. that's just a fact. i'm not disputing those facts. >> yeah. put yourself in the position of the viewer watching you and me right now. they are hearing from the highest levels of the intel community that, yes, we heard from mr. u yesterday on this program. okay? >> um. >>um yes, we did. we got worthy intelligence using these harsh methods. yes, we did. and then we hear from sitting senators, no, we didn't. it's impossible for the american people to know. >> well, all i can say is that that can be resolved. but i can also tell you that mr. brennan said he was for it and then he said he was against it. and now he said he is for it so there is a little
mr. brennan we do things wrong. this is really wrong.doubt about the exquit sit form of torture that waterboarding is the second thing about, bill, and this is a fact. and anybody who has been subjected to this kind of thing will tell that you if you inflict enough physical pain on someone, they will tell you anything they think you want to hear in order to make it stop and that's just a fact. that's just a fact. i'm not disputing those facts. >> yeah. put yourself in the position of the...
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mr. brennan yesterday say that the results were "unknowable"?charlie, you either know or you don't know. >> charlie: i hear you. there is also the point, as you pointed out, this major point in terms of the reaction around the world. how does this country, assuming it's had the impact that has been suggested, go about repairing that damage? and it is important, as some have said to the country to acknowledge its mistakes as a first step. >> i think acknowledging our mistakes is the right step. we did that after the revelations concerning the abuses that took place at abu ghraib and we were able to put it behind us. there was an investigation. people were found responsible. now the information is out there, and we can tell the world, look, we're not perfect, america's far from perfect, but i'll tell you we're the only nation in the world who can acknowledge our mistakes. the russians and the chinese supposedly are critical. when do you expect us to have the russians talk to us about the treatment of their detainees and the chinese of their treatm
mr. brennan yesterday say that the results were "unknowable"?charlie, you either know or you don't know. >> charlie: i hear you. there is also the point, as you pointed out, this major point in terms of the reaction around the world. how does this country, assuming it's had the impact that has been suggested, go about repairing that damage? and it is important, as some have said to the country to acknowledge its mistakes as a first step. >> i think acknowledging our...
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mr. brennan spoke, he said, quote, it was unknowable whether they could have gotten the information without using this torture or not. that's a pretty ambiguous kind of statement. then the question is, did we get the actionable material, i think that it shows that in a number of cases that the cia is claim ing that these eits -- that they got the information and there is counter factual argument made by this report that they got the information before they did the enhanced interrogation techniques. it's not about them. it's about us. it's about us. what we were and what we are and what we should be. that's a nation that does not engage in these kinds of violations of the fundamental basic human rights that we guaranteed when we declared our independence. >> schieffer: before you go i want to ask you about this session of congress it look leek it's going to end the way it started, people threatening shut down the government. you saw ted cruz again take on republican leadership. what is going to happen next year? are we going to see more of the same or do you see any idea that it might get be
mr. brennan spoke, he said, quote, it was unknowable whether they could have gotten the information without using this torture or not. that's a pretty ambiguous kind of statement. then the question is, did we get the actionable material, i think that it shows that in a number of cases that the cia is claim ing that these eits -- that they got the information and there is counter factual argument made by this report that they got the information before they did the enhanced interrogation...
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mr. brennan current cia director under president obama he thinks this report is fictitious at best and supportive of the tactics. those are been public statements. i talked with allen durshwitz he thinks we're not having honest conversation about this we shew debate these things whether they're needed at times or not. >> i would say two things, tam, first, why would anyone be surprised. we saw photos from abagra years ago we saw torture and it was a scandal. number two the person best suited in government to talk about it i thought was john mccain who said not only unethical and immoral to do these things it's ineffective from his own personal experience if you are tortured you'll say anything and you give up things that are not true and have no ib intelligence value. that's exactly what the report found. >> very two different opinions paid roy where are you on this? >> one of the problems with this discussion we combine the discussion of whether it's morally right with effectiveness discussion. i think you know debate about its effectiveness begs question of whether we as a society and we as a n
mr. brennan current cia director under president obama he thinks this report is fictitious at best and supportive of the tactics. those are been public statements. i talked with allen durshwitz he thinks we're not having honest conversation about this we shew debate these things whether they're needed at times or not. >> i would say two things, tam, first, why would anyone be surprised. we saw photos from abagra years ago we saw torture and it was a scandal. number two the person best...
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mr. brennan, and you agree with president obama statement. gave a passionate senate for he yesterday about something he calls the smoking gun that the -- lie on ues to live this program. not release that so we can all be the judge of that? >> i can say, there were certainly times when cia exceeded the policy guidance given, and authorized techniques approved -- they outside their bounds as of their actions, as part of the interrogation process. they were harsh. in some cases, i would consider them to be abhorrent. i will leave to others as to how they want to label those activities. to me, it is something that was certainly regrettable. but, we are not a perfect institution. we are made up of individuals, and as humans, we are not perfect. mistakes, those those shortcomings, to the appropriate authorities -- to the department of justice, and others. as you know, the department of justice will do this for many years and decided there was no prosecutable crimes. the so-called -- review, i believe this is in reference to an internal document cre
mr. brennan, and you agree with president obama statement. gave a passionate senate for he yesterday about something he calls the smoking gun that the -- lie on ues to live this program. not release that so we can all be the judge of that? >> i can say, there were certainly times when cia exceeded the policy guidance given, and authorized techniques approved -- they outside their bounds as of their actions, as part of the interrogation process. they were harsh. in some cases, i would...
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mr. brennan in terms of somebody whose advice the president is pleased he can rely on to keep the country safe. >> the architect of the program says it was less harsh than what the obama administration has done. >> to me it seems completely insensible that slapping ksm but send in a hell fire missile into a picnic and killing granny and killing everyone is okay. >> the u.n. is demanding intel officials should be charged with war crimes. >> all right, thanks, doug. that brings us to look who is talking. vice president dick cheney slamming the cia report saying dick cheney needed to be done to deal with ter ris. >> i guess part of what really bugs me as i watch all of this process unfold is the men and women of the cia did exactly what we wanted to have them do in terms of taking on this program. we have to use enhanced techniques and find out who has -- khalid shaikh mohammed who killed 3,000 americans taken down the world trade center would have taken the white house and capitol building if it hadn't been the passengers of united 93. he is in our possession we know he's the architect. wha
mr. brennan in terms of somebody whose advice the president is pleased he can rely on to keep the country safe. >> the architect of the program says it was less harsh than what the obama administration has done. >> to me it seems completely insensible that slapping ksm but send in a hell fire missile into a picnic and killing granny and killing everyone is okay. >> the u.n. is demanding intel officials should be charged with war crimes. >> all right, thanks, doug. that...
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mr. brennan is making an argument that this kind of torture works, we can submit all kinds of experts to say it doesn't work. and we submit the record to say the record shows it did not work. wait one second, wolf. i would welcome the time when we can sit down and go over this. the cia spent $40 million to prevent us from issuing this report. that is fact. we did not spend the money. we used our staff to do this report. they went into our computers illegally to take out information, not once, not twice, but three times. which i believe is a separation of powers violation. this, to me, shows that the cia has pulled out the stops to prevent this from coming out. additionally, there have been statements made by individuals, articles written that simply don't meet the test of truth. >> here's what else the cia said today in response to your report. once again, john brennan, the director of the cia is in charge -- information, they say, the cia's statement, information that cia obtained from detainees played a role in combination with other streams of intelligence in finding osama bin laden.
mr. brennan is making an argument that this kind of torture works, we can submit all kinds of experts to say it doesn't work. and we submit the record to say the record shows it did not work. wait one second, wolf. i would welcome the time when we can sit down and go over this. the cia spent $40 million to prevent us from issuing this report. that is fact. we did not spend the money. we used our staff to do this report. they went into our computers illegally to take out information, not once,...
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mr. brennan yesterday say that the results were unknowable? you either know or you don't know. >> i hear you. there is also, as you pointed out, this major point in terms of the reaction around the world. how does this country, assuming it does have the impact, go about repairing the damage? is it important to acknowledge mistakes? >> i think acknowledging our mistakes is the right step. we did that after the abuses at abu ghraib and were able to put that behind us. there was an investigation and people were responsible and the information is out there and we can tell the world, we are not perfect, america's far from perfect, but we are the only nation in the world that can acknowledge our mistakes. the russians and chinese are supposedly critical. let's have the russians talk to us about the treatment of their detainees and the chinese, their treatment of tibet. never. that is what makes america proud. we make mistakes, admit mistakes, and move on. that is what i believe we are. it is really, this particular situation, as i keep repeating, is
mr. brennan yesterday say that the results were unknowable? you either know or you don't know. >> i hear you. there is also, as you pointed out, this major point in terms of the reaction around the world. how does this country, assuming it does have the impact, go about repairing the damage? is it important to acknowledge mistakes? >> i think acknowledging our mistakes is the right step. we did that after the abuses at abu ghraib and were able to put that behind us. there was an...
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mr. brennan was concerned about the morale at the cia and i was glad to hear him say and answer your question that they are out of the business. we pass legislation, the detainee treatment act and another piece of legislation that i hope will prohibit this. andrea, there is one thing in the bottom of the story in the "wall street journal" that i think is interesting. david petraeus who served for more than a year as cia director said if you want information from a detainee, you become his best friend. that is what worked for us with our special operators as well as conventional forces in both iraq and afghanistan. that's what some of us had been maintaining all along. >> there is a term of art that was used. fire side chats. that's the way to get in the petraeus point of view, that's the way to try to get through to these people. the contradictory point of view which we heard from dick cheney who would be on "meet the press" is that these are the "bastards " who killed 3,000 of our citizens and you are not going to sit down and kiss him on both cheeks. >> one response to that is we did not to
mr. brennan was concerned about the morale at the cia and i was glad to hear him say and answer your question that they are out of the business. we pass legislation, the detainee treatment act and another piece of legislation that i hope will prohibit this. andrea, there is one thing in the bottom of the story in the "wall street journal" that i think is interesting. david petraeus who served for more than a year as cia director said if you want information from a detainee, you become...
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mr. brennan's resignation. but something very interesting came in after director brennan's speech today. it was the statement from senator feinstein. and you had mentioned, i think, the tweets that were going on from her account during the speech, which seemed still pretty critical, and yet she put out a statement this afternoon that suggested that he had persuaded her on-- not persuaded but kind of-- that they had reached agreement on a number of point. she seemed particularly happy that director brennan said the c.i.a. had not concluded that these enhanced interrogation techniques, as they call them, did produce valuable intelligence. and, again, this is the distinction that director brennan is drawing between the individuals and the techniques producing the information. >> ifill: director brennan also said that the c.i.a. fell short in its responsibility to punish some of the people who had done these things some years ago. so what is happening now. what has changed? is the reform under way? can we just say o
mr. brennan's resignation. but something very interesting came in after director brennan's speech today. it was the statement from senator feinstein. and you had mentioned, i think, the tweets that were going on from her account during the speech, which seemed still pretty critical, and yet she put out a statement this afternoon that suggested that he had persuaded her on-- not persuaded but kind of-- that they had reached agreement on a number of point. she seemed particularly happy that...
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mr. brennan resign? >> that's certainly not my call. he works for the president. >> should there be some punishment meated out for people who participated in tear gagss that could be deemed torture? >> i think you have to realize there's probably 50 people within the cia would be someone who might be implicated in these crimes. i've worked for the cia for years. they're a very good organization. they do things very well. their core competence wasn't in interrogations. the challenge we're facing now, if you look at the united nations convention against torture, if you look at international law, if you look at the uniform code of military justice, we violated laws. so some way we're going to have to reconcile what our policymakers' decisions have caused. it is making us less safe, jeopardizing our security. >> all right. mark fallon, thank you for your insight. i sure appreciate it. >> you're very welcome. >>> this hour in washington, the u.s.-led fight against isis is in the crosshairs. we're get an an update on what many americans fear
mr. brennan resign? >> that's certainly not my call. he works for the president. >> should there be some punishment meated out for people who participated in tear gagss that could be deemed torture? >> i think you have to realize there's probably 50 people within the cia would be someone who might be implicated in these crimes. i've worked for the cia for years. they're a very good organization. they do things very well. their core competence wasn't in interrogations. the...
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mr. brennan. he came in a difficult position. he trusted those two individuals to keep our nation safe when they gave amens to these practices. if you look at these context, and the head of the department of justice post-9/11 paints a picture of what it was like and the pressure we were under to keep our nation safe and how effective it has been. take a listen. >> we were just a few months after attacks, 3,000 people had been killed many we knew very little about al qaeda, stunningly little about al qaeda and we knew they wanted to carry out pending attacks. the c.i.a. wanted to start a detention program from zero to a hundred miles an hour in a course of weeks. i think it is amazing the success. we have not suffered a major attack on the united states homeland for the last 13 years. that's an incredible record. thousands of american lives were at risk. i think it would be, to me, it would, the moral choice was to save those american lives even at the price of the al qaeda leaders. >> this program was authorized by the president
mr. brennan. he came in a difficult position. he trusted those two individuals to keep our nation safe when they gave amens to these practices. if you look at these context, and the head of the department of justice post-9/11 paints a picture of what it was like and the pressure we were under to keep our nation safe and how effective it has been. take a listen. >> we were just a few months after attacks, 3,000 people had been killed many we knew very little about al qaeda, stunningly...
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mr. brennan would say, oh, yeah, we did things wrong. this is really wrong. >> shut down a verdict. the house narrowly approved a $1.1 trillion spending bill. >> this is not over yet. the bill is off to be debated in the senate. >> he's stepping outside. >> chaos on a california freeway. the father of four missing children and husband of a missing wife gets locked in a standoff with california highway patrol. >> he's in custody. both of the children are safe. both of the children are safe. >> embattled sony pictures banned all interviews on the red carpet as the studio deals with more from the massive cyber attack. >> a nightmare flight out of san francisco. >> they've finally reached their destination after more than a day of travel. >> it makes the grand canyon a little grander. the grand can downfilled with clouds. >> a miracle. >> arizona, boy, they find a way. >> and all that matters. >> cam newton spoke publicly for the first time after his crash with two fractures on his back. >> god's got his hands on me. i'm on someone's fantasy league and i think it's the m man upstairs. >
mr. brennan would say, oh, yeah, we did things wrong. this is really wrong. >> shut down a verdict. the house narrowly approved a $1.1 trillion spending bill. >> this is not over yet. the bill is off to be debated in the senate. >> he's stepping outside. >> chaos on a california freeway. the father of four missing children and husband of a missing wife gets locked in a standoff with california highway patrol. >> he's in custody. both of the children are safe. both...
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mr. brennan for a second. >> in many respects the program was unchartered territory for the cia, and we werers were trained interrogators, but the president authorized the effort six days after 9/11 and it was our job to carry it out. >> they're saying, well, it was our job. you have front line folks taking orders. is it doctors going against their oath? the president who said it was okay six days after 9/11? >> everybody that had a role in ordering, designing, facilitating the torturous actions should be investigated and prosecuted. the sent r for constitutional rights has filed cases internationally. in spain, in canada, looking to hold high level bush officials accountable for their role in this torture. and we've done that internationally because there's been no political will here in the united states to be able to do that tochlt be clear, u.s. law prohibits this. international law prohibits this. there's no conversation other than how are we going to move forward with a meaningful investigation to hold people accountable so we can be assured that u.s. officials won't be saying in the f
mr. brennan for a second. >> in many respects the program was unchartered territory for the cia, and we werers were trained interrogators, but the president authorized the effort six days after 9/11 and it was our job to carry it out. >> they're saying, well, it was our job. you have front line folks taking orders. is it doctors going against their oath? the president who said it was okay six days after 9/11? >> everybody that had a role in ordering, designing, facilitating...
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mr. brennan and former c.i.a. officials have characterized it in order to minimize its significance. i have reviewed this document, and it is significant and relevant as it gets. the refusal to provide the full patent review and the refusal to acknowledge facts detailed in both the committee study and the patent review lead to one disturbing finding. director brennan and the c.i.a. today are continuing to willfully provide inaccurate information and misrepresent the efficacy of torture. in other words, the c.i.a. is lying. this is not a problem of the past, madam president, but a problem that needs to be dealt with today. let me turn to the search of the intelligence committee's computers. clearly, the present leadership of the c.i.a. agrees with me that the patent review is a smoking gun. that's the only explanation for the c.i.a.'s unauthorized search of the committee's dedicated computers in january. the c.i.a.'s illegal search was conducted out of concern that the committee staff was provided with the patent review, and it demonstrates how far the c.i.a. will go to keep its secre
mr. brennan and former c.i.a. officials have characterized it in order to minimize its significance. i have reviewed this document, and it is significant and relevant as it gets. the refusal to provide the full patent review and the refusal to acknowledge facts detailed in both the committee study and the patent review lead to one disturbing finding. director brennan and the c.i.a. today are continuing to willfully provide inaccurate information and misrepresent the efficacy of torture. in...
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mr. brennan when he worked here at the white house, had the opportunity to take a couple of trips with himhen we were traveling with the president together, and he is somebody who i think adheres to the highest ethical standard that you would expect of a government official, and i -- i don't think there's any reason for anybody to question. >> [ inaudible ] >> correct. >> explain to all of us how the moral authority of the united states is advanced when there is public accountability but absolutely no judicial accountability. >> well, i will say a couple of things about that and i mentioned this in the gaggle yesterday and i think this bears repeating, the president alluded to this -- actual lish the vice president alluded to this yesterday, too. it's difficult to imagine, and and of our detention process. and to demonstrate clearly that this is something that's never gonna happen again and i think that is uniquely american, in terms of our willingness to stand up for our values in that way. and i don't think anybody on other side of this debate and there is a very robust debit and i think
mr. brennan when he worked here at the white house, had the opportunity to take a couple of trips with himhen we were traveling with the president together, and he is somebody who i think adheres to the highest ethical standard that you would expect of a government official, and i -- i don't think there's any reason for anybody to question. >> [ inaudible ] >> correct. >> explain to all of us how the moral authority of the united states is advanced when there is public...
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mr. brennan says. but i'll point out one point in the findings.bu zubaydah in march 2002 who was the earliest highest-ranking society member of al qaeda. you had a period there where two very close friends and colleagues of mine for the fbi with a few cia officers who had experience with terrorism interrogation got the biggest amount of take in that period, weeks and months before a progressive e.i.t. process started. so you can compare the take of that period of traditional report-based methods against the e.i.t.s. and overwhelmingly the most important intelligence came from that period. >> robert mcfadden, always good to talk to you. thanks so much. >>> a march in washington to protest police violence has attracted a massive crowd. we'll bring you more from the demonstrations straight ahead. they're coming. what do i do? you need to catch the 4:10 huh? the equipment tracking system will get you to the loading dock. ♪ there should be a truck leaving now. i got it. now jump off the bridge. what? in 3...2...1... are you kidding me? go. right on tim
mr. brennan says. but i'll point out one point in the findings.bu zubaydah in march 2002 who was the earliest highest-ranking society member of al qaeda. you had a period there where two very close friends and colleagues of mine for the fbi with a few cia officers who had experience with terrorism interrogation got the biggest amount of take in that period, weeks and months before a progressive e.i.t. process started. so you can compare the take of that period of traditional report-based...
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mr. brennan, mr. hayden, and other heads of the cia, and the officers themselves.will never really know that because senator feinstein and her staff decided that they would not interview any of the officials, operators, analysts, or professionals who carried out the interrogations to find out why they did it and whether they gleaned useful information from it. senator udall going to the floor on his way out the door calling our professional intelligence agents liars, that is untoward. i think that that's why we needed to see this report. we need to make this decision for ourselves. on the primary evidence. if you look at the footnote in the executive summary, there are some 3000 notes replete with references to e-mails, to live communications, to what was actually happening on the ground 2006.1, 2002, 2003, and this is all the more reason to get that information out there, so that the american people can make their own assessments and whether in fact senior cia officials were misleading congress. host: we are learning a new , enhancedew term, eit interrogation tech
mr. brennan, mr. hayden, and other heads of the cia, and the officers themselves.will never really know that because senator feinstein and her staff decided that they would not interview any of the officials, operators, analysts, or professionals who carried out the interrogations to find out why they did it and whether they gleaned useful information from it. senator udall going to the floor on his way out the door calling our professional intelligence agents liars, that is untoward. i think...
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mr. brennan that presidential medal of freedom. he died in his home in 1987. in 1964 he wrote the book that is the inspiration of our conference today. suicide of the west,, the definitive analysis of the pathology of liberalism. one reviewer said it was a warning that it would ultimately destroy all effluents and freedom. another set, a realist rather than an optimist. a thinker rather than a careers. he never told you what you wanted to here all what it would make him rich and powerful to say. he gave you the truth as he saw it and went on to write another book. but of such matters we shall here more throughout the day beginning with our first panel. thank you very much. >> the first panel on this conference discusses the life and political thought. >> could afternoon. the deputy operations director for the william f buckley junior program. we are honored to have with us roger kimball moderating on the topic. the editor and pub -- publisher of the knew criterion. a widely acclaimed author particularly well known for his book tenured radicals, how politics ha
mr. brennan that presidential medal of freedom. he died in his home in 1987. in 1964 he wrote the book that is the inspiration of our conference today. suicide of the west,, the definitive analysis of the pathology of liberalism. one reviewer said it was a warning that it would ultimately destroy all effluents and freedom. another set, a realist rather than an optimist. a thinker rather than a careers. he never told you what you wanted to here all what it would make him rich and powerful to...
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mr. brennan wouldn't use the word torture yesterday. although it seems to fit every definition of torture. when you have that going back and forth, it doesn't allow you to go forward. you spoke to alberto mora, the former general counsel of the navy. he said we knew what was going on and we were trying to stop it. >> unless the director is able to understand what the law and our values categorize this behavior as, then he's going to have to be told or we're going to have to find a new director in order to lead this agency, we need to be clear about what the law and our principles require and how we classify these activities going forward. >> it's a strong statement from mr. mora. but do you really believe that there's a gray area here? do you believe this was about people the c.i.a. not understanding what torture was and wasn't? >> no. look, the report clearly states that there were many in the c.i.a. who in the midst of administering this torture, they call it enhanced interrogation technique, were very, very concerned about it. and ra
mr. brennan wouldn't use the word torture yesterday. although it seems to fit every definition of torture. when you have that going back and forth, it doesn't allow you to go forward. you spoke to alberto mora, the former general counsel of the navy. he said we knew what was going on and we were trying to stop it. >> unless the director is able to understand what the law and our values categorize this behavior as, then he's going to have to be told or we're going to have to find a new...
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mr. obama's own cia chief, john brennan, says he does not believe the senate report. quote, our review indicates that interrogations of detainees on whom coerced interrogation was used did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives, unquote. the president and his cia chief differ on a very important situation. what it comes down to is you, the everyday american. the truth is mistakes were made, but they were made in the fog of war to protect americans. we're not a torture nation and the leftwing which drives stories like this is incredibly irresponsible. >> we tortured and still have al qaeda, we tortured and have isis. we tortured and didn't stop the resurgence of this violent islam. torture didn't work either. >> that's one of the dumbest statements i have ever heard. everyone knows aggressive tactics towards al qaeda have decimated that group, led to the demise of osama bin laden, and prevented another 9/11 attack. every sane person knows that. final question. who would you rather have protecting you? bush and cheney or
mr. obama's own cia chief, john brennan, says he does not believe the senate report. quote, our review indicates that interrogations of detainees on whom coerced interrogation was used did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives, unquote. the president and his cia chief differ on a very important situation. what it comes down to is you, the everyday american. the truth is mistakes were made, but they were made in the fog of war to protect...
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mr. wolf blitzer. he's right next door in "the situation room." wolf? >>> john brennanhe cia after a blistering report. did the cia mislead congress about its interrogation techniques. >>> body for sale. ooi isis is trying to sell the body of james foley for $1 million. how officials say they are trying to carry out a depraved plan. >>> capital protests. and a show of support for the families of michael brown and eric garner. what impact are the ongoing protests having? >>> defectors revealing the horrors that
mr. wolf blitzer. he's right next door in "the situation room." wolf? >>> john brennanhe cia after a blistering report. did the cia mislead congress about its interrogation techniques. >>> body for sale. ooi isis is trying to sell the body of james foley for $1 million. how officials say they are trying to carry out a depraved plan. >>> capital protests. and a show of support for the families of michael brown and eric garner. what impact are the ongoing...
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brennan is one of the president's close effort advisers, have been been with mr. ama since his first day in office and was in the situation room the night osama bin laden was killed by navy seals. >> the president wakes up every morning pleased to know that john brennan and the men and women of the c.i.a. are at work, using their skills and expertise to protect the american people. >> even senator feinstein doesn't dispute the good work done by the c.i.a. at times, but as she tweeted, the c.i.a. helps keep our nation safe and strong, torture does not. we must learn from our mistakes, so the controversy and debate rage on. >> does the white house take a risk throwing their full support behind before brennan? >> it's hard to know if the president's taking a big risk. we'll have to see how this plays out, but he is walking a very fine line. you'll remember, he is the one who officially put an end to these kind of interrogation techniques. he has supported transparency and the senate going forward to issue this report. at the same time, he is trying to support brennan
brennan is one of the president's close effort advisers, have been been with mr. ama since his first day in office and was in the situation room the night osama bin laden was killed by navy seals. >> the president wakes up every morning pleased to know that john brennan and the men and women of the c.i.a. are at work, using their skills and expertise to protect the american people. >> even senator feinstein doesn't dispute the good work done by the c.i.a. at times, but as she...
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mr. barkley three times over in that interview, you can never hit a woman. christine brennan, thank you. >> thank you, brooke. >>> so in new york, hundreds and hundreds of people took to the streets in the wake of the eric garner case. the nonindictment there. the nonindictment several just about two weeks ago in ferguson. among them though last night, in new york a mother whose son was killed by police in 2012. i talked to her in the midst of the marching last night and we'll share her story ahead. i have a cold with terrible chest congestion. better take something. theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. oh, what a relief it is. here we go! into one you'll never forget. earn points for every flight and every hotel. expedia plus rewards. ♪ my baby drove up in a brand new cadillac.... ♪ ♪ look here, daddy, i'm never coming back..... ♪ discover the new spirit of cadillac and the best offers of the season. lease this 2015 standard collection srx for around $359
mr. barkley three times over in that interview, you can never hit a woman. christine brennan, thank you. >> thank you, brooke. >>> so in new york, hundreds and hundreds of people took to the streets in the wake of the eric garner case. the nonindictment there. the nonindictment several just about two weeks ago in ferguson. among them though last night, in new york a mother whose son was killed by police in 2012. i talked to her in the midst of the marching last night and we'll...
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brennan relative to that cable. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. levin: madam president, very briefly, what i am asking and doing in this statement, which is now in the record, i'm asking c.i.a. director brennan to fully declassify a march 13, 2003, cable from c.i.a. field officers to headquarters. this cable provides information about the bush administration's campaign to build public support for the iraq invasion. one part of that campaign was the repeated misleading suggestions that mohamed atta, leader of the 9/11 hijackers, had met with an iraqi intelligence official in prague. i received a letter from director brennan making public for the first time some of the cable's contents. he quotes the cable as saying, "there's not one u.s. government counterterrorism or f.b.i. expert that has said they have evidence or know that atta was indeed in prague. in fact," the cable say, "the analysis has been quite the opposite." close quote. now, my statement just entered in the record, i also discuss recent revelations by the former head of a czech counter
brennan relative to that cable. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. levin: madam president, very briefly, what i am asking and doing in this statement, which is now in the record, i'm asking c.i.a. director brennan to fully declassify a march 13, 2003, cable from c.i.a. field officers to headquarters. this cable provides information about the bush administration's campaign to build public support for the iraq invasion. one part of that campaign was the repeated misleading suggestions...
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brennan course is very critical of this report. obama inherently within the torture program, and then ended it. now he is torn in two directions. >> what you make of the criticisms of mr. yoo of the way that report was assembled -- the things we heard from him. >> i think some of those are reasonable things to raise as questions. obviously, this report to the time and cost a lot of money. it is a pretty important issue for them to not even have weight and. with that said, maybe more republican participation would have helped to shape it. >> the professor used comments -- he was careful to frame it in the context of the time, and the number of people who the methods were proof for. >> i think that the key question. why weren't these tactics ended sooner. i think we would not be having this conversation, is the tactics were ended six months, or 12 months after the attack. it's the fact that these were used in 2006, and not formally ended until 2009. we were years beyond 9/11 at that time. not only director hayden of the cia -- not only did he not but -- it or into it, >> last question for you. is this really on the reprisal, or national security being enhanced around th
brennan course is very critical of this report. obama inherently within the torture program, and then ended it. now he is torn in two directions. >> what you make of the criticisms of mr. yoo of the way that report was assembled -- the things we heard from him. >> i think some of those are reasonable things to raise as questions. obviously, this report to the time and cost a lot of money. it is a pretty important issue for them to not even have weight and. with that said, maybe more...
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mr. chairman. in response to the question about when director brennan talks about, that the -- that the value of the eits is unknowable, that could be a much more nuanced position than previously stated by other people like yourself that the value was essential and it was was critical. your comments now seem to be a little more nuanced as well. could you just clarify about what you think the eit's were in terms of the value and what was actually gained from them? >> well i believe information , that was gleaned through those enhanced interrogation techniques served to stabilize -- save lives and provided intelligence on al qaeda we had not previously had before. i believe that because everybody i talk to at the agency, when you follow pieces of information that came out of those interviews that were used in the near term and sometimes in the long term had inherent value in ways that they did not have before. i do not know how you say -- you may have said if we had taken 90 days and talked to them, maybe we would have gotten the same information, but that is not what happened. they went through this
mr. chairman. in response to the question about when director brennan talks about, that the -- that the value of the eits is unknowable, that could be a much more nuanced position than previously stated by other people like yourself that the value was essential and it was was critical. your comments now seem to be a little more nuanced as well. could you just clarify about what you think the eit's were in terms of the value and what was actually gained from them? >> well i believe...
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brennan, says the torture report is not accurate. how embarrassing is that? >> he walks into the office, meets mr. elvis presley. said how do you do, what
brennan, says the torture report is not accurate. how embarrassing is that? >> he walks into the office, meets mr. elvis presley. said how do you do, what