mr. caputo said is little interest on the part of mueller 's team about these allegations would suggest either they knew about it or they didn't think it was a big deal or both. what do you think? >> well, neil i think they did know about it. i think when you put all the pieces together of all the things that are coming at us right now pretty fast and furious what you see is or what

mr. caputo is saying? >> i've interviewed mr. caputo, also, neil.s a serious investigation and he and other witnesses should expect serious questions. this team has shown that they are going to be as aggressive in finding out what happened as many trump family members, trump campaign members, trump business organizations members have been aggressive in trying to ep keep us from finding out what happened. they're willing to do what the house committee was not willing to do. subpoena records. that's why mr. caputo was confronted with records that they already knew. you can cooperate whether they're telling the truth or see whether there are contradictions and that may mean there's other information you may need to find. >> neil: you know a lot more than i know about this, congressman. you're much closer than i certainly am or ever will be, but i get a lot of hints from mr. caputo and others seemingly saying, whatever this investigation started out to be, it's veered from that and to his point about being asked very little about russian collusion, the

mr. caputo was referring to. the thein -- the inference was there was another individual but i'm not awir -- aware of that. >> do you know of -- >> i'm not aware of -- i wasn't aware of the first one. and nor should i have been. i didn't monitor informants in the fbi and -- or their identity or -- i just -- that is not something i would do. >> you have a book out just came out yesterday, doing quite well. in the book you write, quote, of course the russian effort affected the out come of the election, surprising even themselves, they, the russians, swung the election to a trump win to conclude otherwise stretches logic and common sense and cred you'llity to the breaking point. and this is more you stated than when you were director of intelligence and you put out that report -- you avoided maked a conclusion one way or the other about whether or not it had an impact. you have learned more information or is this just you speaking as a private individual. >> to be clear, we did not -- and that was deliberate, did n

mr. caputo was. he wasn't rattled because they were disrespectful, he was rattled because of how prepared they were. >> michael caputo, he, as you were saying earlier, just described how thorough the special counsel robert mueller was. i think he compared it to ra pr cto logy exam -- i apologize for that image. >> he explained about the amount of information they ever, the text messages, the spreadsheet of e-mails and the depth of knowledge the special counsel has. here's what he said about that, jim. >> they knew more about what i did in 2016 than i knew myself. and think they know more about the campaign. they had spread sheets full of information like they probably have on anyone they're going to interview. it felt more like an interrogation than an interview. >> that's the thing, he was really just shocked by the depth of knowledge. by now they've spoken to so many people part of this campaign, that people had knowledge of this. but there is also information built off intelligence that they have w

mr. caputo was describing was not testimony before a grand jury. it was a voluntary q&a.nd his lawyers agreed to with bob mueller, some prosecutors and some fbi agents, somebody else taking it all down. that's what rudy giuliani has been wrestling with mentally on television, whether or not the president should do it. one point he said yes. another point he said no. the standard advice to a client, when you're a target, or when you're a subject, whichever it is, don't go. the purpose of that interrogation is not to help you, it is to help the interrogators. if he doesn't voluntarily go, if the president doesn't voluntary go, they can subpoena him to to before a grand jury. entirely different environment. no lawyer. one questioner, 23 people in the grand jury. everything being recorded. if he doesn't answer he can be held in contempt, or he could invoke his fifth amendment right not to incriminate himself. the president of the united states does that, it would be politically catastrophic but legally prophylactic. he won't give them anything out of his own mouth that would

mr. caputo, he said, oh, after i met with the special counsel, he said, we'll be watching you on tv. really, mr. mueller? is that how you want to run your investigation? we could have multiply spies, multiply informants. chairman nunes says the exact same. if you're shocked by that, look at what caputo revealed today. >> i was approached by an intermediary who had been talking to a government official -- a former government official who told him that they had hillary clinton-related emails at that government organization and that they wanted to get them to trump campaign. this was may 6th that he heard that in 2016. i was told by the intermediary on may 9th they wanted to get them to me. i gave this information to the house intelligence committee. i gave this information to the senate intelligence committee two weeks ago. and i gave this information to the mueller team and they never reached out to the intermediary to check on it. >> so they don't care. it doesn't fit their dedetermined narrative. now, caputo later explained during that interview that he turned down that offer for cl

mr. caputo, the mueller people have this encyclopaedic knowledge. s just too much that the president would be in the dark about. >> jim, you sort of were wondering, you know, when i told you that michael caputo had said that the mueller team seemed to know more about the campaign than anybody who worked on the campaign, you had raised questions about, well, how much does michael caputo know about the campaign. i'm wondering, after you hear his description, what do you make of what you hear? >> he said he was locked in a room and didn't know a whole lot about what was going on in the campaign and he wasn't there for a hot minute, he was there for five minutes. look, you did a great job trying to get some news out of this. i just don't know that there was any news to be had on this, anderson. so we know that mueller has a tough team of prosecutors and a skilled group of prosecutors and investigators. we've known that all along. we know that they probably -- that they have e-mails. we know that they've interviewed witnesses. we know that they have text

mr. caputo, and that chilling description, series of description he gave anderson tonight, having come out of three hours of questioning. down to the furnishings, how spare and sparse it is, that's going to get a lot of people's attention, especially the part where he says if your name is caught up in this, you're in peril. >> yeah, i was really struck by that, too, brian. he made it clear that mueller is after collusion, that he's not answered those questions yet, that he doesn't believe as the president tweets almost every day that there was no collusion, but in fact is still investigating it, still has questions, still has episodes to look into. and so that should strike fear, you know, in the hearts of some of those who worked on the trump campaign who were caught up in this. some of whom, by the way, have become -- been indicted or pled guilty. it's worth pointing out when we're talking about emmet flood and how elegant and prepared and professional and disciplined he is and a steady hand as is the headline in that washington post story. his client now is donald j. trump, the presiden

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mr. caputo could rest easy. but the man has been tortured. he has to be looked at for some kind of compensation. the man has been tortured. what he's saying is they asked a lot of questions. that doesn't mean they know anything. >> mayor, if the president's done nothing wrong, as you say again and again, and he tells the truth. >> he hasn't done anything wrong, george. >> and if he tells the truth, as you would advise him to do, what is the danger in answering robert mueller's questions? >> because they're trying to trap -- you couldn't put a lawyer on the show who wants to keep his law license that would say he should answer the questions. >> but what if he tells the truth. >> it's only prosecute fbl they have built-up evidence to prove he didn't tell the truth. >> if you have evidence that proves the president didn't tell the truth, then he didn't tell the truth. >> no. people do things like lie. people lie. could comey be lying? you're damn right he could be lying, george. and we're going to walk ourselves into a trap like that? >> if mr.

mr. caputo and i think it's rotten for our system but we really need to see if there was collusion and ifn't, that's what should be established. so far steve is right, i haven't seen evidence of collusion. the investigation is still running its course. >> bill: 125,000 in legal bills is what caputo said. >> more money than he makes in a year or anybody else in his hometown back here in new york. >> the whole thing is completely outrageous. they're going after any possible evidence that they can find to back up this invented theory of collusion. remember, it was invented by the democrats as an excuse for losing the election that everyone thought, including themselves, they were going to win. they invented the theory of collusion. they haven't got proof. in the process they aren't just destroying people's lives like michael caputo, they're destroying our democracy. that's what they're doing is completely outrageous. >> bill: doug, you were there during the clinton years. so he was subpoenaed and he fought it and relented to have the one-on-one interview with ken starr's prosecutors and last

mr. caputo said is little interest on the part of mueller 's team about these allegations would suggest either about it or they didn't think it was a big deal or both. what do you think? >> well, neil i think they did know about it. i think when you put all the pieces together of all the things that are coming at us right now pretty fast and furious what you see is or what it feels like is an intelligence operation orchestrated and directed against the president-elect and the people he was bringing into be advising him. i mean, there's too many things here that just don't feel right. i'll give you another example. when you're developing a counter intelligence operation the whole purpose is to throw informants and assets we call them to throw these people at your designated target to try to get information or to try to set something up. remember this isn't necessarily criminal. it's all about information, misinformation, disinformation, and neutralizing whatever the perceived threat is, and in this instance, it just seems like this all went off the rails and what would normally be a fbi contact

mr. caputo in his interview said the opposite of what you say when you're going to criticize an investigationn and especially on the collusion side of it. you'd usually say they're on this wild fear fishing expedition. but then he said it was very targeted and this was a real tell, they have e-mails to back up their questions. he also said they know the answers to every question that they're asking. it sounds like at least for this one witness who said he was there while -- during the period they're investigating collusion -- and again i'm not reaching here, just take those interviews, there is -- there's something there on collusion that at least one former trump aide and one person who's been before the mueller team, he's impressed by what they have. >> i think that's an excellent point, joe, particularly that they already know the answers to many of these questions. there's an adage among prosecutors never ask a question if you don't know the answer and these guys are the a-team of prosecutors. but the other point which is directly relevant to donald trump possibly going to an interview hi

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caputo has talked about his time testifying with mr. mueller's agents.u will tell your friend and boss the president to testify. if he's so innocent, tell him to testify. he's going to take the fifth. donald trump said, only people who take the fifth are guilty. we'll know quickly if in his own mind he's innocent or guilty. there's a problem with the premise of your question. the president does face criminal liability. the better of the scholarship from the office of legal council, a sitting president cannot be indicted. i doubt mr. mueller is going to go against that. he's not president for life. one fine day he will walk out of the gates, and on that day he will be subject to indictment. if mr. mueller finds criminal conduct by donald j. trump, those indictments may come when he walks out the door of the white house many. >> we don't know if vice president pence would pardon the president. is the only gauge for whether or not this has been a useful investigation, whether or not there are charges on the president? >> the reason i disagree on this. it ap

caputo. this is normally a safe haven for the president of the united states, and even on fox news, they said, mr. president, we can't believe you. >> so let me be clear, mr. president. how can you drain the swamp if you're the one who keeps muddying the waters. you didn't know about that $130,000 payment to a porn star. i think you did. i'm not saying you're a liar, you're busy, i'm just having a devil of a time figuring out which news are fake. let's just say your own stories give me lots of pause. your base probably might not care, but you should. i guess you're too busy draining the swamp to stop and smell the stink you're creating. that's your doing. that's your stake. >> amen. amen. that is sad. sometimes i go after fox news when the president says down, and he's clearly up, he says left and it's clearly right. what the president is doing here, i don't know the goal. on air force i he says he didn't know about the payment. rudy giuliani goes on tv and says he knew everything about the payment and he paid cohen for it. he lied on air force i, the symbol of everyone's democracy, and he lied.

mr. mcconnell: i ask unanimous consent the senate proceed to the en bloc consideration of the following nominations, executive calendar 168, 169, 404. the presiding officer: without objection. the clerk: nuclear regulatory commissions, amy caputo, jeffrey martin baron of virginia to be a member. mr. mcconnell: i ask unanimous consent that the senate vote on the nominations, en bloc, if confirmed, the motions to reconsider be considered made and laid upon the table, en bloc, the president be immediately notified of the senate's action, that no further motions be in order and any statements related to the nominations be printed in the record. the presiding officer: without objection. the question is on the nominations en bloc. all may never say aye. all opposed, say nay. the ayes appear to have it. the ayes do have it. the nominations are confirmed en bloc. mr. mcconnell: i ask unanimous consent the senate proceed to the consideration of the following nomination, executive calendar 865. the presiding officer: without objection. the clerk will report. the clerk: department of defense, gregory j.slavonic of oklahoma to be assistant secretary. mr. mcconnell: i ask unanimous consent that the senate vote on the nomination, if confirm