because mr. crumpn something like 38 seconds has just produced a sterling presentation of why the claim of those four minutes can be quite easily depudee dee bunked. and yet meany critics have felt that the prosecution has not really stitched the argument, the narrative as effectively as they might have done. >> well, i think at this point we've clearly seen that bernie did an incredible job of taking all of the evidence in this case, whether it's the inconsistencies, whether it was the whole, the whole theory of the case -- >> but mr. parks, why didn't mr. delee ronda make more inconsistencies with regard to the weapon that mr. zimmerman had on him? we know for a fact that mr. zimmerman has given multiple different descriptions as to where that weapon was. why wasn't that a major flank in the prosecution? >> well, i think, maybe you missed it, but he did talk about the -- >> i didn't miss it. he did talk about it. >> he did talk about it. >> he did. yes, sir. go ahead. >> i think in the closing argume

. >> amanda evans, mr. crump the defense gave you a hard time throughout this, they just said moments ago that your first interview with rachel jeantel was made for tv and not for an investigation. your thoughts on that? >> it's easy to go back in a vacuum, miss jeantel, god bless her, she did not want to get involved in this matter in no way possible. so i think it's pretty well documented about the challenges we had to try to get her to do an interview and finally we got her to agree to do a telephone interview and we did that interview the best we could to make sure that we had her statement. and trayvon's parents are thankful that she did come forward to act as a witness in this case. something she did not want to do. >> stephanie with west 2 news. does it bother you when people say this case is not about race? >> no. it doesn't. but, you know, the whole world was looking at this case for a reason. and what people wanted to see as we all said how far we have come in america in matter of equal justice, and cer

. >> amanda evans, mr. crump the defense gave you a hard time throughout this, they just said moments ago that your first interview with rachel jeantel was made for tv and not for an investigation. your thoughts on that? >> it's easy to go back in a vacuum, miss jeantel, god bless her, she did not want to get involved in this matter in no way possible. so i think it's pretty well documented about the challenges we had to try to get her to do an interview and finally we got her to agree to do a telephone interview and we did that interview the best we could to make sure that we had her statement. and trayvon's parents are thankful that she did come forward to act as a witness in this case. something she did not want to do. >> stephanie with west 2 news. does it bother you when people say this case is not about race? >> no. it doesn't. but, you know, the whole world was looking at this case for a reason. and what people wanted to see as we all said how far we have come in america in matter of equal justice, and cer

. >> amanda evans, mr. crump the defense gave you a hard time throughout this, they just said moments ago that your first interview with rachel jeantel was made for tv and not for an investigation. your thoughts on that? >> it's easy to go back in a vacuum, miss jeantel, god bless her, she did not want to get involved in this matter in no way possible. so i think it's pretty well documented about the challenges we had to try to get her to do an interview and finally we got her to agree to do a telephone interview and we did that interview the best we could to make sure that we had her statement. and trayvon's parents are thankful that she did come forward to act as a witness in this case. something she did not want to do. >> stephanie with west 2 news. does it bother you when people say this case is not about race? >> no. it doesn't. but, you know, the whole world was looking at this case for a reason. and what people wanted to see as we all said how far we have come in america in matter of equal justice, and cer

mr. crump's deposition during the trial day. the court doesn't expect either mr.r myself to leave the courtroom, i wouldn't think -- >> you've looked for other reasons. but i don't want to go there. i don't want to go there. and i don't want to get into a discussion back and forth about what times may have been available. but it's never been requested for this court to recess even a half hour earlier. i know during the frye hearings we recessed on a saturday because your witness wasn't available and the court had to continually ask when your witness would be available to finish it. i had to be the one who moved that forward. neither side moved that forward. because i wanted to get -- >> you've been listening to the judge there essentially denying the request for them to allow them to have friday, take friday off after the july fourth holiday saying she wants things to resume and resume quickly as scheduled. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be right back. male announ] this is bob, a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male

. >> mr. crumpg cnn that in the event george zimmerman is acquitted, he said the martin family will accept that verdict. when we come back, the jury now done with 11 hours in deliberations. entering hour 12. stay with us. bounce is great because the freshness lasts for weeks in the drawer. why can't everything stay fresh that long? [ male announcer ] how do you get your bounce? [ man ] lasting freshness. >>> this is the verdict sheet here. a jury in sanford, florida, has three choices they can find george zimmerman guilty of murder in the second degree, guilty of manslaughter or the jury can find george zimmerman not guilty. the deliberations now beginning their 12th hour in sanford, florida, i'm john king in washington. thanks for watching. after a quick break, our continuing coverage live with don lemon in sanford, florida. you know throughout history, folks have suffered from frequent heartburn. but getting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past. block the acid with pril

this morning i'm doing my radio program on clear channel here in chicago, and attorney mr. crumps my special guest. i'm appealing to the department of justice. motioned justice lavigne. justice has not been served and the department of justice has a role in this. that's what happens in the case of tillman and evers, and department of justice has a role to play in this. cannot be just an observer. >> reverend, give us your perspective, what's the takeaway? >> it makes them cynical toward the justice system. there's a case, fruitvale in oakland, killer walk as way. in brooklyn, new york, lemer, nearly died in brooklyn, and in chicago last year, 57 police shootings -- injured are killed by the police. protection of the law continues to elude us. i do not think there's any reason why the -- why the prosecutor should avoid the fact of racial injustice and the defense should deny. people should be very aware of it because this is a clear pattern of behavior that's illegal and it must stop. >> in your opinion, reverend, what comes next? >> what comes next is the department of justice in

mr. crump, thanks for being here. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> you had suggested trayvon martin's family that they not be in the courtroom for the reading of the verdict. can you tell us where they were, how they learned of the verdict, and what their reaction was? >> yes, we notified them. they were headed home. they agreed it was important for them to be in church this morning. quite simply they are heartbroken, trying to make sense of it all, as many around the country are this morning. they're talking to young people and their families trying to explain to them about the justice system. they had a lot of questions of us about the justice system and the jury and now they are putting their faith on a higher authority. >> let's talk about the justice system. you and i spoke in the days after trayvon martin's death and at the time you were saying we want an arrest. we want this to go before a jury. we want justice. well, all that happened. it went before a jury and they made their choice after 16 hours based on the evi

mr. johns for his great comments and attorney crump and mr. martin for their courage and their valor and mr. mfume for his sharp insight. i want to talk about young men, teens and youth. i myself was a teen father, lived on welfare for three years. i didn't go to college until i was 21 so i understand some of the existential drama that attaches to black voice, males and men who have been particularly subject to the arbitrary stigma and mythology that attaches to young men and american society. but leave aside the valor and the vitality of their struggles to claim decent spaces in american society. what the teens and black male space in our culture? let's be honest there's a cultural backdrop. all black people live under suspicion. trayvon martin is as -- to the suspicion for which we are subject. black humanity has been suspected from the beginning of our sojourn in american society. i don't need to tell you the history lesson about that. the great thomas jefferson the architect of monticello and the declaration of independence wrote notes on

a slan is not state action and the answer mr. crump is that a slan can profile if you are in a stand your ground state. so another tangible legend that occurs to me is why are we going to let these stand your ground laws stand? they are a clear and press nt danger to every black man in america. i'm going to ask the panel beginning with mr. martin himself if he's given any thought to a tangible legacy of any kind? leave aside these suggestions of any kind so that that energy won't dispate within the next month and we go on to something else? >> i think that the energy that we're going to channel into his discussion is very simple. as american citizens, we can't tand by and let a not guilty rdict dictate what our youth legacy becomes. i think 50 years from now when i'm dead and gone i would like to see that tremendous vonn artin name is -- trayvon martin name is attached to an amendment that says you can't profile our children, shoot them in the heart, kill them and say that you were defending yourself. it won't s from now be just trayvo

mr. crump's testimony during the trial day. the court doesn't expect mr.o -- >> you've left for other reasons. now i have a jury sequestered that will be off on thursday and you don't want court on friday. that's saturday, sunday. i'm not doing that. >> we ask the court -- >> end of discussion. >> she really ended that quickly. a nice slap down by judge debra nelson. they will be in court on friday as well despite this appeal from don west, the defense attorney. jeffrey, what did you think of that little exchange? >> three cheers for judge fisher. judges need to respect the time of jurors. she's moving this trial along. she sits a full long day. this jury is sequestered. they have sacrificed two weeks of their lives. this is how judges should behave. they should move these cases along. these defense attorneys have had months to prepare. it's time to go. i think she's doing a great job even though i don't agree with all the ruling. >> sunny you probably agree at this point. she's doing a good job? >> absolutely. she's moving very quickly and she has been mo

the conversation is, and you ask the questions to mr. crump and mr. parks. it's being challenged. the race baiters? the race -- >> what does that mean? >> so it's -- because what's happening is we're saying race no longer matters, that black kid was violent. >> right. and let's -- >> i mean, that actually -- >> or that, well, george zimmerman had race, right, because -- so george zimmerman was raced, so ergo that cancels -- i find race is like the weather. people think about it when the weather events are extreme but the weather is con stand and race is constantly part of almost everything. >> you mentioned daryl parks and we interviewed him earlier. i do want to go back to something he said earlier, in-show flashback. let's just play daryl parks talking about how the defense portrayed trayvon martin. >> i don't want to call mark o'mara a racist, but i will say this, i really believe he made it his point to portray this young black man as a young, black thug, right? there's a picture in there that shows trayvon martin from an upward position. the camera's pointed upward, right, as

primarily because of the narrative of mr. crump and mrs. natalie jackson.s a false narrative. this had nothing to do with the case. unfortunately, in this country, when people allege racism, they do not need to have proof. it's simply enough to allege and declare whoever it is can be a racist. this person has to defend himself from these charges. what must happen is that if there is a base, a foundation to accuse someone of something, that should be the first step to make such a serious acquisition. it must not be that lawyers simply declare racism and we all accept it. >> something that he said is that he feels that the last name had a lot to do with it. >> do we have the last name sound bite? i would like people to hear that where he talks about the last name. we don't have it. >> yes. basically what he said if the last name hadn't been zimmerman, would have been gutierrez, that state of mind in the people would have been different. the whole dynamic of the case perhaps would have been different. >> what would have been different about it, do you think? p

these things that surround sabrina and tracy, mr. crump, those who i think really exploited the naacp i'll sharpen it. sabrina and tracy lost their son. now that we have this verdict of not guilty, what i always will remember is the rawness of emotion. you hear that your brother took someone's name in self-defense. the tension of having him on trial is gone. >> we know that the jury may not have made the right call. they have to carry that burden around for the rest of their life. >> when the shooting occurred back in february 2012, how did you first hear about it? my dad and grandmother said that someone died. it involves george, which was kind of mysterious. i said, what happens, gracie. he was involved in an altercation and he used a gun to defend himself but george is going to call you and fill you in himself. he wants to tell you the truth and every member of his family the truth that he did from his own home. he called and basically said what we know to be the murder. >> there are so many killings, shootings, zwenlts. people say, why

o'mara talking about whether he would be prosecuted if he was a black man or mr. crump envoking emmett till and evers, their role as advocates has ended. and now they are spokesmen. do we want race tension to go forth in this country or come together, white people, brown people, yellow people and brown people and say who can do better going forward? can our criminal justice do better? can nbc do better? cnn? can they stop fueling the flames of racial tension? how can all of us do better including the president who injected himself in this particular issue. >> on capitol hill there are moves apparently to despite the verdict have some type of action. here is senator harry reid of nevada discussing it this morning. >> is there a new racial wound that you think needs to be addressed and healed as a result of this in this country? >> i heard the mayor. i think he should continue on the path that he outlined. >> and the president, does he have a role in speaking about it as he did after the shooting? >> of course. and the justice will look at this. this isn't over with. that

it was an issue with law enforcement and mr. crump>> you were very clear about the social pressure forced this case into the courtroom. >> it was horrendous, and let's not forget the elephant in the living room this is a case about race. all the pressure about race. what's going on in the courtroom, about race, and i want to make a point, two points really. mr. bae sfwlnch brought up something, the reason the police couldn't get this number. the first thing, you get a search warrant on the cell phone of the victim, search warrant of the residence of the victim so you can search that for potential evidence of who the perpetrator might have had a connection with. so that's an excuse. and anna said something -- you gave her a compliment, she never lost a homicide case. i will tell you, that's because she has filed good cases with enough evidence to go to trial. i would ask her this. would she want to try this case, file this case and try it if she had the case. >> i wouldn't mind being in the courtroom on the case, what i've seen, i thin

mr. crump's deposition during the trial day, the court doesn't expect either mr.a or myself to leave the courtroom, i wouldn't think -- >> he has left for other reasons, but now i have a jury sequestered that are going to be off on thursday. and you don't want court on friday, that saturday or sunday, i'm not doing that. >> it is simply unfair for mr. zimmerman not to be able to put on his defense because of the state's tactics, playing games with us. lying to this court, and now it is our fault? it is our fault? denying mr. zimmerman the right to present this information violates both the florida and the united states constitution. thank you. >> i've said this before, we have to allow the court reporter to take one person speaking down at a time. wait for the next question, thank you, you may proceed -- again. >> why. >> stop. >> because mr. west said, i would offer him the opportunity right now to apologize to me for suggesting that i stood by silently with information that i did not have. >> i'm not getting into this. court is in recess, i will give my ruling i

>> i take issues with one of the points mr. crump made. around the time trayvon's incident happened, shortly before that there was an exact opposi case a black male who shot three white males and his friend and killed him. police did not arrest him because he claimed stand your ground. he was attacked and defended himself. the next few months they investigated and realized his defense didn't hold water and turned around and arrested him. the reason the police have to follow that tact is because they can only arrest you if they have probable cause and if they show up and there are no witnesses and you claim self-defense and have nothing to defeat it, if they arrest you, they are facing potential civil liability. >> judge hatchet, the idea that people in america, the great super power of the world can wonder around, gunning people down and not face arrest because they were acting in self-defense or standing their ground is louis chris. >> one of the things that come from this very tragic situation and regardless of what happens, i think we a

. >> let me ask you about marco marra saying he appealed to mr. crumpnot talk about this as a civil rights case. reverend jackson? >> of course it is a civil rights case. ofhink the department justice will intervene. i think the avoidance of the essence of this case will not do us any service. we are asking people around the country to protest with dignity and discipline. any act of violence will discredit trayvon's legacy. shift from violence [indiscernible] here are two young men, one is dead in the grave, one is a walking dead read he is limiting his life's options --there is something a certain concern about life options of zimmerman. >> pending a decision about his concealed weapons permit, george zimmerman is expected to have his gun returned to him, the gun with which he shot trayvon martin. speaking to abc news, defense attorney mark o'mara said george zimmerman has even more reason to carry a gun now >> does he get the gun back? >> yes, he does. >> what you think he feels about guns now? >> i think he feels truly in his heart that if he did not

mr. johns for the great comment and attorney crump and mr.r courage and valor, and for the sharp insight. i want to talk about young men, teams and youth. myself was a teen father. i lived on welfare for three years. didn't go to college until i was 21. so i understand some of the external drama that attack tay muchs to black boys, males, and men who have been particularly subject to the arbitrary stigma and pathology that attaches to young men in american society. but leave aside the incredible value or it and the vitality of their struggles to claim decent spaces in american society. what the teams who were black and male face in our culture. let's be honest? there's a cultural backdrop. all black people live under suspicious. trayvon martin is but the most ready and apt metaphor for the suspicious we're subject. black humanity has been suspected from the beginning of our soldier to american society. i don't need to give a history lesson about that. the great thomas jefferson, the architect of month cello, and decoration of independence wro

if that's at all credible, if that was at all credible, the way that was presented by mr. crump, the way it was presented by her and the way it was presented, if that's the only word that i'll use rather than created after the inquiry with miss sybrina fulton at the house and mr. bernie de la rionda at the house, so be it. and then they say that mora said something about pursuit. sudyka never said anything about pursuit and i was here for the temperature. she said something down below. he said what she thought she heard the child she heard screaming. ba bahadoor said she saw someone running. >> we're going to take a very quick break and we'll come back with more of this trial live. stay with us. what makes the sleep what makes the sleep number store different? you walk into a conventional mattress store, it's really not about you. they say, "well, if you wanted a firm bed you can lie on one of those. we provide the exact individualization that your body needs. oh, yeah! once you experience it, there's no going back. while we make room for our latest innovations, save $500 to $80

>> i take issues with one of the points mr. crump made. around the time trayvon's incident happened, shortly before that there was an exact opposite case a black male who shot three white males and his friend and killed him. police did not arrest him because he claimed stand your ground. he was attacked and defended himself. the next few months they investigated and realized his defense didn't hold water and turned around and arrested him. the reason the police have to follow that tact is because they can only arrest you if they have probable cause and if they show up and there are no witnesses and you claim self-defense and have nothing to defeat it, if they arrest you, they are facing potential civil ligability. >> judge hatchet, the idea that people in america, the great super power of the world can wonder around, gunning people down and not face arrest because they were acting in self-defense or standing their ground is louis chris. >> one of the things that come from this very tragic situation and regardless of what happens, i think w

mr. crump's deposition during the trial day. the court doesn't expect mr.a or myself to leave the courtroom, i think. >> you've left for other reasons. i don't want to go there. and i don't want to get into a discussion back and forth about what times may have been available, but it's never been requested for this court to recess even a half hour earlier. i know during the frye hearings we recessed on a saturday because your witness wasn't available and the court had to continually ask when your witness would be available to finish it. i had to be the one who moved that forward. neither side moved that forward. i wanted to get that matter finished because you wanted to know an answer about it before opening statements. i accomplished that. if there had been a request to recess even an hour earlier, i would have done that. now i have a jury sequestered that are going to be off on thursday. you want off that friday, saturday, sunday. i'm not doing that -- >> we asked the court -- >> end of discussion. >> judge nelson and the attorney there is in the courtroom

so when you're then talking with mr. crump, in this reported interview, for the first time ever being asked to tell the story about what you knew, you're in a hurry and among the things that you chose not to say was that before the phone cut off but after the bump you heard trayvon martin say get off, get off? >> yes, sir. >> the person who you now know to be trayvon martin was on top, correct? >> correct. >> he was raining down blows on george zimmerman, right? >> that's what it looked like. >> do you think there's anything wrong with him following him to see where he was going? >> legally speaking, no. >> you hope your son trayvon martin would not done anything to lead to his own death. correct? >> what i hope for is that this would never have happened and he would still be here. >> i can't see him. i don't want to go out there. i don't know what's going on. >> they're sending them. >> do you know whose voice that was screaming in the background? >> yes, sir. >> whose voice was that? >> my son george. >> and who do you recog

>> the mayor, the martin family, and the attorneys, mr. crump and miss jackson.nd then another individual i don't know his name. >> was there any law enforcement present? >> no. >> no law enforcement present but officials, politicians. "out front's daryl parks, an attorney for trayvon martin's family and our legal analyst mark nejame is still with us. i want to ask you a question and get reaction. boneparte question about the 911 call, you say it points to what went wrong in the handling of this case. when you say that, what specifically do you mean? >> well, look, any proper police practice would be not to go ahead and have a mass of people around somebody when they are going to be a critical witness in a case, a criminal case. and so what ended up happening here there was all of one side all gathered around when this tape was being played. i recognize the sensitivity and the compassion that wanted to be expre expressed, but this is a criminal homicide investigation. and so proper police practices should have been followed through. chief lee was told by politici

if that's at all credible, if that was at all credible the way it was presented by mr. crumpthe way it was presented by her and the way it was presented, if that's the only word that i'll use rather than created after the inquiry with miss sybrina fulton at the house and then with bernie de la rionda after the house, so be it. then they say that mora suggests pursuit. she thought they saw george zimmerman on top, no pursuit. sadiker did not testify pursuit. she said she heard something down below, no suggestion of pursuit, nothing like that. of course, what she thought she heard was the child who she saw later as the one screaming or yelling and then we have bahadoor. she said she saw something, maybe somebody went from left to right. i realize at this state the state gets the benefit of those inaccuracies but they can't just make-believe -- if they are going to support that as direct evidence, that's all they've got, that's all they said. now you're talking about circumstantial evidence. if he calls and says i'm a neighborhood watch, they don't have a chance to. he got hit f

and move forward from this tragedy and learn from it. >> mr. crumpnny morales of the valencia voice. give us a little bit of insight why the martins weren't in the courtroom for the verdict reading >> upon our advice, we knew this would be a very emotional time for them. as you know, they have sat here for four weeks. i don't know how hard it was. we were with them every step of the way. what they had to endure, the pain of hearing gunshot after gunshot after gunshot say, staying calm, faces of their son in the morgue time and time again as late as yesterday. upon our advice, we recommended to them they should go home and attend their home church since we were going into sunday. so upon our advice, they went home to go to church tomorrow. and that's what they'll do. >> mr. crutch and mr. parks. hello. i think mr. parks, you may have answered this question in part but i'll ask it again if i can. where was the family when the announcement was made in court tonight, and did they skip this because they expected a particular outcome? >> well, i'll just sa

>> mr. crump, thank you very much for your time this morning. >> thank you. >>> and here now for more on the verdict is dan abrams, pierre thomas, the editorial page editor, paul, and tavis smiley of pbs. no surprise to you, you said this all the way, the prosecution didn't make the case. >> that's right. you look at the legal question, the question was, was there reasonable doubt about the moment that george zimmerman shot trayvon martin? and the question was, did george zimmerman reasonably believe that great bodily injury was going to be inflicted? there was a lot of evidence that trayvon martin had beaten george zimmerman. what led up to that is a separate question. but the legal question was only what was going on in george zimmerman's mind at the moment he did that. and was there reasonable doubt as to what he believed. when you picture it that way, and talking about just that moment he shoots, and the amount of evidence there was that george zimmerman had been beaten by trayvon martin, it w

i've talk to mr. crump with these two press conferences and he will be reiterating that. this whole notion that race had nothing to do with this. let us be clear. one, we came in, civil rights groups and i organized the first big rally in sanford because we were asked to by the family and the local community that said that there was a pattern of racial problems with the sanford police department. had the sanford police department went ahead like anybody would have thought, given the inconsistencies of the statement by a man who killed a child that had not committed a crime, there wouldn't have been a case. so to attack the media for covering something, what made this case was a sanford police department in their history. when we came in, and raised that, the republican governor appointed a special prosecutor who then found that there was grounds for a trial. for them to stand before the public today and act as though people fabricated this. a republican tea party prosecutor said there is grounds for murder two. grounds for manslaughter. you noticed that even o'mara said t

the moment she was called by trayvon mar n martin's parents, from the time she interviewed with mr. crump to the time. >> he was finally interviewed by the defense lawyer don west. that she really did not want to be in the spotlight. and i can understand why. if you look at social networks and what's happening to her persona, i think it's the most unfortunate thing i've ever seen that they are talking about her appearance, they're talking about her linguistic style. they're talking about her level of education and whether or not she can read cursive writing. nous flash, they stopped teaching is your sieve writing public schools sometime ago. they teach it maybe as they teach latin. i do not expect her to understand cursive writing. looking at rachel jeantel through the eyes of you know an america who hasn't necessarily understood her day to day life and wa she does to survive, cope and make it in this world. i think these jurors probably hail more likely from that america than everyone rachel jeantel's and that might be a problem. >> yeah, and jonathan capehart in the addition to what gol

>> the mayor, the martin family, and the attorneys, mr. crump and ms. jackson and trayvon's brother. then there was another individual and i don't know his name. >> was there any law enforcement present? >> no. >> was that a decision that you and/or the mayor made to keep law enforcement out of the room? >> we had asked the family -- i asked the family if they wanted law enforcement. they said they'd rather have law enforcement not in the room at the time. so we obliged their request. >> and did you discuss that with chief lee in regard to his desire to be in the room? >> at that point we just informed the chief as well as the other officers to not be in the same room. >> do you recall how many times the tape was played? >> which tape? >> let's focus on the 911 tape that had the screams for help on it. >>, no i do not. >> were you there for all the times it was played? >> i was in the vicinity. i wasn't always in the room. >> okay. was either you or the mayor in the room at all times the tape was being played? >> i don't recall. >> how many times was th

i suggested to mr. crump that we do not suggest that it's the civil rights case of the century, it is not. it's a self defense case. did it bring up that young black males were treated differen eed? absolutely. do we need to have that conversation? absolutely. if portending that on the verdict of this case, and it affected the verdict, shame on them. that conversation needs to be had, and now we have artificially separated the two camps if you will, over this verdict. this verdict still has nothing to do with civil rights. civil rights need to be talked about, but not in the context of the george zimmerman verdict. >> george, cnn, this question, specifically to you, mr. west. as far as the relationship with the judge, the back and forth, can you talk a bit to us about that, do you feel you were getting fair treatment, and a second question that is similar to both of you. what do you say regarding the tensions, what do you tell people that have dug in on one side or the other? >> i would like to keep my bar li

i kept suggesting to mr. crump on three separate occasions that we not suggest this as a civil rights case of the century. because it is not. it was a self-defense case. did it bring to the forefront the conversation that young black males are treated a certain way in the criminal justice system? absolutely. is that positive? absolutely. do we need to have that conversation? absolutely. however, if portenning that conversation on top of the zimmerman verdict will affect the ability to have that conversation, shame on them. that conversation needs to be had. now it may not be had because we have sort of artificially separated the two camps, if you will over this verdict. this verdict still has nothing to do with civil rights. it is not the context of the george zimmerman verdict. >> george howell with cnn. this question specifically to you, mr. west. as far as the relationship with the judge, the back and forth, can you talk to us a about it about that? do you feel that you were getting fair treatment? a second ques

i kept sgesting to mr. crump on three separate occasions that we not suggest that this is a civil rights case of the century because it's just not. it was a self-defense case. did it brick to the forefront the conversation that young black males are treated a certain way in the criminal justice system? absolutely. is that positive? absolutely. do we need to have that conversation? absolutely. however,ful portending that conversation on top of the zimmerman verdict is going to affect our ability to have that conversation, shame on them. because that conversation needs to be had. and now it may not be had because we have sort of artificially separated the two camps, if you will, over this verdict. this verdict still has nothing to do with civil rights. civil rights needs to be talked about but not in the context of a george zimmerman verdict. >> george howell with cnn. this quell specifically to you, mr. west. as far as the relationship with the judge, the back and forth, can you talk to us a bit about that. do you

mr. benjamin crump enough for coming to this thing. you have enhanced it in ways we could not have imagined. thank you very much. [applause] >> if i could come as a transition from if i could also respond to tha the question, wel deal with it as well. my pastor freakily says -- >> just a moment. please don't interrupt the hearing. if you wish to have words, would you leave and go into the hall so that we can continue with this event uninterrupted? mr. johns, just a second, please don't stop. [inaudible conversations] >> could you ask mr. martin, exit please. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> a couple of life instantly about today. the u.s. chamber of commerce and aarp will focus on how americans are preparing for retirement. that's here on c-span2 at 9 a.m. eastern. later, on c-span, they gave institute hosts a panel of economists discussing the effect of immigration on the economy. that's at noon eastern. >> the first lady will select the schism that in the united states about what women are supposed to do today.

he called me back a couple days later, don, and said, mr. crump, i told you they're not going to arrest him. and so that's when we started saying, well, let's write a letter to the police and say, you know, we need to get public knowledge of this. they had a press conference and they confirmed they were not going to arrest him. >> did anybody tell you they were not going to pursue this, anyone on the martin side tell you they were not going to pursue this? >> no. absolutely not. do you think any parent would say we're not going to have the killer of our unarmed teenage son be held accountable of shooting him in the heart? >> i've seen people accuse you of being a charleton, of benefiting in this case. >> we have far too many cases where black and brown kids are killed dead on the street and nobody says a word. trayvon martin got a lot of attention, leon anderson got a lot of attention, but we have a hundred little black boys who get killed, nobody says a word. when we took this case, my law partner said, you know, crump, we're probably going to sp

>> the mayor, the martin family and the attorneys, mr. crump and ms. jackson. and trayvon's brother and another individual. >> was there law enforcement present? >> no. >> was that a decision that you and/or the mayor made to keep law enforcement out of the room? >> we asked the family if they wanted law enforcement and they said they would rather to not have law enforcement at the time. we obliged the request. >> did you discuss that with chief lee? >> at that point we informed the chief as well as other officers to not be in the same room. >> do you recall how many times the tape was played? >> which tape? >> let's focus on the 911 tape with the screams for help on it. >> i do not. >> were you there for all the times it was played? >> i was in the vicinity. i wasn't always in the room. >> was either you or the mayor in the room at all times the tape was being played? >> i do not recall. >> how many times was the tape played while you were in the room? >> i do not recall? >> more than one? >> the tape that has the screams, yes, that was played more than once.