mr. fowler.cific documents they wanted to see to try to the go get to the obama of the gun thing that's led to deaths. he wouldn't give them to them. and he was cited do you know how how many democrats voted to hold him in contempt, mr. fowler? >> i mean, i'm pretty sure not any. >> are you kidding me? a lot of democrats voted to hold him in contempt. because he is stonewalling fast and furious. >> i don't think that's true, bill. >> for him to say he is getting roughed up re tore rickly because of his skin color there is no evidence to support that none. >> i think -- >> -- wait, wait. let mr. fowler answer, ebony. there is no evidence to support his contention. >> the contention that he made at nan this week is that he and the president are treated differently because they happen to be treated african-american. >> and you can't back it up. back it up. president obama in his state of the union address a couple years ago was heckled by a member of congress. first time had ever happened in recent

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mr. fowler is a democratic strategist joining me to bring a perspective or answer.ngela, start with you. political insiders are thinking this is the white house timing, the timing is perfect, because they felt this was the perfect time for kathleen sebelius to go, because they accomplished a task or the goal of 7.5 million people to sign up for obamacare. however, let's get back to that turbulent rollout. what will this new phase of obamacare mean for sylvia berwell? >> it will mean nothing. having a new secretary of hhs does not change law of legislation. kathleen sebelius did not write the affordable care act. she didn't lobby solely for the affordable care act. and the bottom line is, she was only the facilitator. so the only way, kelly, we're going to see a change in this debacle is if republicans work with democrats and the president to make positive changes. but what we have seen is partisan politics on both sides. so just because you have a different head of hhs, a cabinet member, it's the actual culture of this administration that has been a failure. and loo