croix, could you reiterate for the record what notice was provided to mr. hartz. >> it was e-mailed on march...t. >> is there a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> so moved. >> second. >> yeah. we need the public comment on that. >> public comment on the motion to adjourn. >> no. >> okay. all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? >> none, the meeting is adjourned. >> good morning. welcome i'm with the city's office of economic workforce development well, we're incredibly excited to celebrate this land. i've been working think this project since 1999 thank goodness what we didn't know it was going to take so long we're incredibly excited as my career as a planner this is one of the most exist projects to see happening 17 hundred units ever housing in this beautiful neighborhood without further ado, i'm going to introduce mayor ed lee to start us off (clapping.) thank you, ken. welcome as ken said to our visitacion valley neighborhood i must say we wanted you to come down her to take a before a real big mounds of dirt start moving i think everybody should appreciate this and

>> are there any questions for either mr. hartz or mr. pilpal? >> i have some for mr. pilpal. >> you have mentioned briefly that there is no, and that it would have been a violation to do a balancing test under 6255 a? >> yes. >> why do you say that? >> 67.24 g specifically says and you have this in your memo and in the law that neither the city or any office or employee may assert 6255 or similar provisions for withholding any documents or information requested under this ordinance, and it has a similar provision. in 6424 i, i and could expand on that a little bit. page eight of the memo, for example, in the other places. >> okay. >> and i do believe however, that where there is a privacy interest, either asserted or recognized, that there is a need for a privacy balancing, which i would not consider a 6255. balancing, but i think has in some ways, similar interests. or similar factors to be considered. and i'm fairly familiar with the case law, and in my opinion, the case law is not great, or particularly on point about this. and i think that the... >> let's back up

. >> and >> mr. hartz. >> members of the ethics commission, as mr. pilpal, has appeared in behalf of the defense i would like to make a couple of things clear, a department head like it or not is responsible for anything wrongful that happens in his department and yes he can sit there but mr. ginsburg got notice, and he knows that this is going on, he decided, or told somebody else who decided who to send here to answer on his behalf. and if they are unable to answer those questions, sufficiently that again is his responsibility. the bottom line if you are in command in an organization, you are responsible, period, whether you like it or not. and to say otherwise, is dishonest. now i would say one thing to the members of the ethics commission, mr. pilpal while a member of the sunshine ordinance task force, often comes to meetings like this, saying that is he a member and then, under cutting the decisions of the task force, about matters with which he disagreed during the initial discussion. and i would suggest that you look at the decision and issued

. >> does anyone have questions for mr. hartz. >> he was not asked a question and he just simply came up and started talking, if you are going to give him the additional time and then i am entitled to the additional time and i think that you know that. >> let me finish this line of questioning and then i will give you the additional time and i wanted also, and unless the others have the questions on this particular topic, and the standing issue, and can i hear from the staff and the city attorney on that point? >> i think that there are two questions and i think that one question is was it a due process violation for the sunshine ordinance task force to refer a willful violation by mr. ginsburg to the ethics commission even though he was not named as a respondent below? and i think that is one question. and i think that the second question, is assuming that there was no due process violation, and whether or whether there is or whether there is enough to find a willful violation based on the state of the evidence as to whether he

>> mr. hartz as far as i know we did not know that you were out of town. >> you do now >> i think that we provided you with e-mail notification of the schedule and would had continued if we had heard from you. i apologize if you could attend. i sure that you it was not intentional. >> the next matter on the agenda is the discussion and public action on a matter submitted under chapter three of the ethics commission, regulations for violations under the sunshine ordinance. the complainant is dominic maionchi and the respondent is phil ginsburg director of the recreation and park department. >> is there anyone here on behalf of the complainant? anybody here on behalf of the respondent? is there anything that you would like to say or present? >> good evening commissioners, mr. executive director sarah ballard for the recreation department and i have the detained presentation and given that he is not here and i can keep it brief and respond to questions if you have them, i did just want to say that ou

croix, could you reiterate for the record what notice was provided to mr. hartz. >> it was e-mailed on march...t. >> is there a motion to adjourn the meeting? >> so moved. >> second. >> yeah. we need the public comment on that. >> public comment on the motion to adjourn. >> no. >> okay. all in favor? >> aye. >> opposed? >> none, the meeting is adjourne >> good morning. welcome to the thursday, may 1, 2014, meeting of the board of supervisors neighborhood services & safety committee. happy mayday i'm supervisor campos i'm the chair of the committee we're joined by supervisor yee and vice chair eric mar is in route the clerk is derrick and we want to thank the following members of the sophisticating jim smith and charles. mr. clerk, do we have announcements. and use of cell phones, pagers and similar sound-producing electronic devices are prohibited at this meeting. please be advised that the chair may order the removal from the meeting room removal from the meeting room cell phone, pager, or other similar sound-producing electronic devices. >> wonderful call item