mr. manafort got to speak for himself. i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. >> now, here is what we do know. we do know that manafort has not been charged with conspiracy, we don't have any idea of what mueller have found. today is the first two senten sentencing of manafort. today was in virginia so two separate jurisdictions. he pleaded guilty and witness tampering in d.c. and prison time there could be substantial of ten years, anywhere up to ten years. so, this is obviously going to be the big question. >> joining me now is congressman who sits on the intelligence and oversight committee, i appreciate your time congressman. >> thank you. the look on the face of some of the prosecutors today described by ivan perez who was in the room was astonished, this was not what they expected the sentence to be just under four years, what do you think? >

mr. manafort. so this kind of call and response was a rather curious signal to various people. >> i mean there is a couple of ways to look at it. one way is okay, this is a chairman of a presidential campaign for a now sitting president who's going to prison for defrauding taxpayers of millions of dollars, for bank fraud. i mean, it's stunning. then on the other hand there's this sentence that is in so many ways a mere slap on the wrist. from a political standpoint is this a win for trump? >> unclear. there is going to be a second sentencing hearing which is next week. that could involve a sentence up to ten years. just one fact that i would point out about that particular hearing. there was a filing that was made in january that inadvertently revealed mr. manafort had actually met with a business associate who was connected to the russian intelligence services and apparently in that meeting, in a cigar bar in new york city, he actually passed in past private polling data from the trump campaign to

mr. manafort. he's not -- mr. manafort is not charged with russian collusion. nteracted with russian government or intelligence officials at the time that in any way facilitated their attack on our election to benefit mr. trump. nevertheless, despite the fact he's not charged with that, they're making this public-facing defense, that is no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. you would think it was beside the point for mr. manafort's case, but they are making this case publicly. and to me one way that may make sense is if they are trying to make the case that the president should pardon mr. manafort and it shouldn't reflect on the russia case at all if the president does that because mr. manafort's case is totally separate from the russia scandal. i wonder on the judiciary committee if it is a matter of concern or potential investigation on your committee the prospect of the president discussing pardons with people, including michael cohen, including mr. manafort, including mr. flynn and others as a way to try to protect himself in these various investigations

mr. manafort can still serve present -- served prison time for the state crimes. it does seem mr. nafort is looking for a presidential pardon. his lawyer has said on various occasions there has been no collusion, and judge jackson admonished that, saying we are not talking about collusion. seems that statement was for an audience of one, the u.s. president, trying to make a plea for that pardon. of course president trump continues to call the investigation a witchhunt. brent: the witchhunt, but still the witchhunt has brought us what we got today, the sentence against manafort. this legal action against manafort is considered part of milestone events for the special counsel robert mueller's investigation. how important was this today, would you say? helena: this is an important moment. the legal battle is part of the mueller investigation and this case has been going on for 1.5 years. paul manafort was the first person invited by special counsel robert mueller. that list is now at 34. although this case was not about collusion, what it does show is that significant people in the or

mr. manafort was convicted. the defense submits that a sentence substantially below the range calculated by probation is warranted. and that's how it starts. thereafter we get 40 or so more pages of how -- what paul manafort did is really no big deal. and we get lots and lots of letters of support from his relatives about what a good guy he is. on page 11 of this new filing tonight, we literally get a reference to paul manafort being an altar boy. there's the inevitable mention of his humble beginnings. there is that odd clanging assertion that paul manafort, quote, has spent his life advancing american ideals and principles. that was in the other sentencing memo, his defense filed in the other court where he's facing charges, too. >>> but here's the thing that i think is really going on here. here's why i think this sentencing document is actually really important here. i think it explains a whole bunch of what we have been seeing recently in this case. and i think it explains something important about how this

mr. manafort's bank fraud, you can give information that would reflect on mr. trump and lead to his prosecution or impeachment. you don't care about manafort. you're using him to get his testimony to get evidence and information he can give you to get bigger fish, to go get the president. and he sort of reamed the prosecutors out for that and scolded them, mocked them in the court because he could tell that was their real intent. the prosecutors fundamentally rebutted that. right? they rebutted that outburst from the judge tonight when they came to him at paul manafort's sentencing and said this guy, we can't use him for anything. we can't use him against anyone. we can't use him for any other case. all he does is lie. he's pointless as a witness. he's of no help. this case is just about his crimes and that's it. this judge, though, judge ellis in virginia was super aggressive with the prosecutors throughout the manafort proceedings and when it came time to sentence manafort, the ball was completely in that judge's court. judges have freedom with sentencing in f

mr. manafort for the conduct that was before him, and mr. fort was not charged in that case with being an agent for the government in russia. so i think judge ellis' efforts to be careful and tailor his words are far from an exoneration of mr. manafort on any other potential charges. >> brennan: i want to ask you, as well, about michael cohen, the president's long-time attorney. we played in the open some of the tapes showing the changing stories here in regard to whether there was discussion or not of a presidential pardon. now it appears, according to the president, that it was discussed. as an investigator, what do you make of that? >> very hard to sort through a basically he said/he said argument between two people who have very challenged credibility. at the end of the day, the strength of michael cohen's testimony, potential testimony, is derived not from what he's telling us now, but rather from what whatever facts and corroborative evidence the prosecutors are able to glean from that treasure trove of documents and recordings and othe

mr. manafort received.was sending a signal that if there were any federal pardons, that state law was still going to move forward and mr. manafort was not going to be above the law and there wasn't go boog be any obstruction. >> just as we were coming on to the set. while you were a u.s. attorney, did you ever have a president personally call you about a case? >> no. not at all. >> right. across both parties has been the norm and the rule. here was mr. nadler saying that acting attorney general whitaker in his view wouldn't give straight answers about whether donald trump was trying to do that and we know he called frrks example the u.s. attorney repeatedly. this is brand new. take a look. >> mr. whitaker did not deny that the president called him tine discuss the michael cohen case. he was directly einvolved unconversations of whether to hire one or more u.s. attorneys. he was involved in the scope of the southern district of new york's recusal. and whether the southern district went too far in purb suing

mr. manafort is beyond the pale.special counsel's conduct comes as no surprise and falls within the government's pattern of spreading misinformation about mr. manafort to impugn his character in a manner this country has not experienced in decades. you have to -- you notice over and over, they talk about there's no collusion. according to jerry connolly we had on, feels like he has an audience of president trump here. >> right. he said, is he fishing for a pardon here with what he has been saying? you do make the point that he said repeatedly in this latest filing, or his lawyers said, there's no collusion. it's true, he is not charged with anything about collusion, which would be conspiracy in legal terms. they are making the case that mueller wept ont outside of his scope because it was about russia collusion. but it does raise the question of whether they are trying to spend a message to that audience of one, president trump, for a pardon by helping to make his case that the president himself says no collusion. >>

mr. manafort. the judge says quote, you're still acting like these two things that one disproves the other, i don't find that. defense lawyer i know you don't, your honor. that's clear. it is important that there is no reason for this to be redacted. we think it's very important the allegation for the prosecution on more than one occasion about his being known to have connections to russian intelligence, it needs to be countered on the public record. it's very important. it's very important to mr. manafort and that's why we raise the issue again. we do think it's very important for that allegation of his known ties to russian intelligence to be countered in a balance manner. again, the way they are trying to balance that out is by letting it be shown in the public record in unredacted court filings that kilimnik, yes, is assessed to be linked to russian intelligence. the fbi assesses him to be linked to russian intelligence but known kilimnik had conversations with people at the u.s. embassy and uk

mr. manafort and have the benefits and wealth of mr. manafort.nk what we're seeing in his last ditch argument today, craig, to paraphrase the great atlanta philosopher's outkast, i'm sorry, miss jackson, we're not buying it. >> you've been working on that for a while. this is from miss jackson, a direct quote. the no collusion claim that runs through the entire defense memo is entirely unrelated to the matter at hand. the no collusion mantra is simplynon-s.e. sequitur. >> this is a two-by-four, described as out of court pardon strategy. we watch hid lawyer walk out of one of the best days they had last week, where they got a light sentence, which is a amount of lawyering progress. instead of look what we got, what does it say about the case, mr. downing committed what miss jackson has recorded from the courtroom, a non sequitur, an insult, saying there was no collusion. you were on trial for collusion but undermining the system, tax evoegs, all these that many more people would serve many more years than he got last week. the fact we're in a conc

mr. manafort's criminality. it just shows there's a lot of power vested in the hands of judges. i think this sentence says a lot more about judge ellis than it does about paul manafort. >> what's it say? >> it says that he has an attitude toward a person of paul manafort's ilk, who has really -- really has defrauded the government, as was demonstrated. >> and mieke, this is a former director of the cia who was aware before leaving office of at least the beginnings of the investigation of trump campaign connections to russia. >> yes. and john brennan's got a very long history of service to the nation. and this is a deep concern for a lot of people. i do think it's very clear that judge ellis sees some of himself in paul manafort. this concern that, well, if you can get away with cheating on your taxes you can get away with it. i think there's another challenge here, though, when we talk about the pardon for paul manafort, and that's if in fact the president tries to pardon paul manafort then manafort can be compelled to testify before congress, which could in turn lead congress to

mr. manafort and gates by my side back in the day. i will expect we'll hear a big number initially. which the manafort team is bracing itself for. i think that's then going to be mitigated by her running it concurrently. i think he's going to get a little bit more time, but some of it is going to be concurrent. he's not going to get that full ten years and she is capped at that number. i think there's a lot of expectation that this judge may come down as some avenging angel to make up for what happened in virginia. i don't expect to see that. she's a very no nonsense judge. she hasn't tolerated any nonsense from mr. manafort, and she's going to sentence him fairly but it's not going to be to make up for anything. it's going to be based on what's in front of her. let's remember, he did plead guilty in this case, he didn't go all the way through trial and be convict bid jury. >> tell us why this is so significant, this is the trump chairman. this has nothing to do with me. that's not exactly rilght. >> well, that's the big question, whether it does have something to do with him. manafo

mr. manafort's criminality. shows there's a lot vested. >> what's it say? itit says that he has an attitude towards a person of paul manafort's ilic who has defrauded the government, as was demonstrated. >> does he know what a mercenary is, this judge? you're basisically working for someone who wants to crush the independence of ukrain on behalf of a tyrant, putin. >> calling for many more years. guidelines are used for a reason. but obviously judge ellis felts he could decide unilaterally. >> he said he's had an otherwise blameless life besides jury tampering. >> paul manafort has a demonstrated track record of criminal, unethical, unprincipaled cabehavior. >> let's talk about the way these things work together. the wayor in which the russian probe,si which continues. it's really about a conspiracied a vanadvanced by americans. selling out your country >> a number of u.s. persons work would the russians in one form or another, i think it's been 2ke demmenstrated, was this active engagement. i believe bob mueller and his team are going to uncover a lot more

mr. manafort, wanted to do for ukraine.his is going his work for the ukrainian government obviously on behalf of the russians. so they're going through it all. they're laying out -- i think this is going to be really their last chance. this is for the special counsel's office to tell the public what they've been doing these last few years and last year and a half, two years of this investigation. they're laying it out here. they're explaining exactly what they believe paul manafort was involved in. >> reporter: last week was a blow in many ways to the special counsel with the judge sentencing manafort to around four years, much less than the 25 years that the special counsel had suggested. so this really is a last ditch effort for the special counsel to make its case against paul manafort, this high profile investigation that's been nearly two years under mueller. >> folk wils will often say thi case nhad nothing to do with anything russian related. paul manafort was getting millions of dollars for the pro russian governmen

i do feel badly for paul manafort-- that i can tell you. >> reporter: but even if mr. trump grants a pardon for the federal crimes, his powers don't extend to state crimes. former federal prosecutor scott fredericksen: >> it certainly appears to be an attempt by the manhattan d.a., cy vance, to make sure that mr. manafort is prosecuted and perhaps serves prison time, even if he is pardoned. >> reporter: the 69-year-old former trump campaign chairman was one of robert mueller's first targets, and is heading to jail for a range of federal crimes, including bank fraud, witness tampering, and conspiracy against the united states. in court today, manafort appeared in a wheelchair wearing a dark suit and holding a cane. "i am sorry for what i have done," he told judge amy berman jackson. he asked her not to separate him from his wife and family. but judge jackson was not moved, saying manafort was "not a victim," and that "it is hard to overstate the number of lies and the amount of fraud involved in his crimes." new york prosecutors have to be careful, jeff, that the crimes

mr. manafort but then there's the flip side of that. are these other sentences just entirely t n harsh. ed to not lose sight of what we're really talking aout and they are separate issues here. i think that the sentence fo mr. manafort was unjust in the sense that there should hah been for te crime that hed commitmore harsh sentence. and i'm equally sure that had the individual not been wealthy or white we probably would have seen that sentence. not because i'm saying anything about judge el else but i'm saying that's what the data would show. sentences are just more harsh >> woodruff: we should jut point out seven sharp you in just stepping down from the federal bench a little over two years ago made a statement about your, the way you read some of the sentencing guidelines and you felt they were too harsh. >> exactly. particularly witregard to non-violent drug crimes. there were three individuals that had mandatory, in my courtroom, concted of drug crimes. i was required to give themor mandlife sentences. that to me was outrageous and not at all in line with what sentencing should be

mr. manafort's bank fraud, you really care about what information mr. manafort could give you that would reflect on mr. trump or lead to his prosecution or impeachment. >> certainly there was skepticism by the judge yesterday. this is prison time, there is going to be another sentence. if you think about this in context of just how many people this case has pulled up. it is still a wide-ranging investigation that has touched a lot of people associated with the president. >> and i think we're so engrossed in the details that it is important to step back and say, look, the president's campaign manager was kwikd, was senten -- convicted, was sentenced to jail for bank fraud with foreign governments. that is a big deal. in any other administration, this would be a huge deal, but i think with this new cycle and this administration, the scope of this investigation, a lot of these moments sort of get lost in the -- >> it is stunning sometimes that the standard is, well, the president hired a swamp creature who broke the law repeatedly, then cut a deal to cooper

as you heard in court today, mr ma nafort as you heard in court today, mr manafort finally got to speak made clear except responsibility for his conduct. and, i think most importantly, what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one, there is absolutely no evidence that paul ma nafort absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from a rush collusion with any government officialfrom a rush hour. thank you, everybody. —— russia. the bbc‘s gary o'donoghue has the latest from the courthouse. 47 months in prison is far less than paul manafort could have expected. prosecutors were pushing for up to 24 prosecutors were pushing for up to 2a years behind bars. but thejudge said that kind of sentence would be unwarranted. just before sentence was passed, paul manafort spoke to the court. he was seated in a wheelchair wearing a green jumpsuit. he said the past two years had been the most of the old ones of his life and he asked the court for compassion. he will have to pay restitution of $24 million and fines of $50,000.

mr. manafort -- >> brennan: sorry, can i clarify. you in the past i thought supported the mueller probe. mccabe helped to set up some of the special counsel there, specifically to look at the question of whether the president -- >> i do support the mueller probe. i do support the mueller probe, but that doesn't preclude mr. mccabe from being what he is, a bent to before. he hurt the f.b.i. badly and all the people over there who tried to help clint or tried to help trump. every one should hide his head in a bag. they hurt the premier law enforcement agency in all of human history, and we're going to have to spend a lot of time rehabilitating it. the american people don't trust it as much as they used. to that's wrong. >> brennan: but you say you still supp number one -- number one, i was surprised at his sentence. i thought it would be longer. number two, as i said in the past, mr. manafort is a grifter. he used to be partner with roger stone. i'm sorry, margaret, he's just a sleaze oid. he's always played at the margins. number thre

mrs. manafort sitting in the front row shaking her head no. one of the prosecutors mentioned the fact that paul manafort still has ownership of two homes, one in florida, one here in alexandria, and he says he -- the prosecution argued that mr. manafort had the ability to pay an additional fine on top of the $25 million that the judge just ordered him to pay. in the end, the judge decided that he was not going to impose that additional fine, but you could see that mrs. manafort was not in agreement with the fact, with the idea of paying anything more than the restitution he already has to pay. >> all right. i want to go inside that room to that moment, saying you could hear a pin drop. there was a look of astonishment on some of the prosecutors' faces. what was the attitude of paul manafort in the four minutes that he was speaking? did h he coe come off to you, e watching him as defiant, as pathetic? i know he's sitting there in a wheelchair with a cane. his hair is now gray. used to color it. he looks like a broken man. what was it -- it was l

mr. manafort in any forum since he went in. he says tonight, david, your response to the points you are making. i'm reading from our court reporter's notes here, the last two years have been the most difficult years for my family and i. to say i have been humiliated and shamed would be a gross understatement, mr. manafort said while seated in his wheelchair in his prison uniform. being separated from my family for the last nine months has been very hard. quote, i've felt punishment during these proceedings. he refers to solitary confinement, saying i've had much time to repent and ask for your compassion. david? >> well, think about this, if he's still trying to get a pardon from trump, he's saying i've taken a lot of hits here, i've taken a lot of lumps and as mueller says, i haven't cooperated. i haven't helped them find out what really went on, so, you know, i see this as perhaps a play for trump even late in the game here because he figures he has nothing else left. you're a lawyer. what do you think? >> yeah. i think that'

as you heard in court today, mr manafort finally got to speak for himself. clear he accepts responsibility for his conduct. and, i think most importantly, what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one, there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. thank you, everybody. 47 months in prison is far less than paul manafort could have expected. prosecutors were pushing for up to 24 years behind bars. but the judge said that kind of sentence would be unwarranted. just before sentence was passed, paul manafort spoke to the court. he was seated in a wheelchair, wearing a green jumpsuit. he said the past two years had been the most of the old ones of his life and he asked the court for compassion. he will have to pay restitution of $24 million and fines of $50,000. next week he will face sentencing in a separate case in the district of columbia, where he could get another ten years in jail. the question now is the extent to which is co—operation, before it broke down w

mr. manafort, not well but met him years ago. we have to see how things play out.ens. >> charles: yeah, there's no doubt about that. this is another high profile associate of president trump. he ran the campaign for a moment. democrats said when this began, he would be a key figure with proving collusion with russia. that's off the table. you get the feeling that twit be politicized and politically weaponized before tomorrow morning. >> that's probably true by the media. what's seen thus far is a lot of stuff on the periphery, a lot of things about failing to file as a foreign agent, failing to do taxes right and things like that. i haven't seen myself yet any evidence of a real collusion between president trump and his campaign and the russians. if it's out there, they ought to bring it up. >> charles: senator, speaking of issues within political parties. within the republican party, there's a divide and perhaps it's growing with respect to president trump and the national emergency. i think we have four nos on this action. there's scuttlebutt that could be as man

mr. manafort saying it is hard to overstate the number of lies, the amount of fraud and the amount of money in this case a significant portion of his career was spent gaming the system manafort has not really accepted responsibility for the witness tampering or the failure to register as a foreign agent component. that was a key component in this particular case that was not in the previous case by -- under judge ellis last week so a total of 7 1/2 years in jail for paul manafort guys, back to you. >> okay, sue, we appreciate that very much. back to the matter at hand doc, you were saying about this rally, too far too fast. mike wilson puts forth don't believe the bounce on bad results that you got and that you're going to have this correction continue. >> everything we've continued to hear from the primary catalyst of this rally which is not the china trade deal, the primary catalyst is jay powell and the pivot the fed mad. as long as that's there and this put has been put under the market, i think this continues too far too fast, okay, stretch it out a few weeks, maybe we good sideways bu

mr. manafort, i think there will be some considerable attention to whether there were any signals from theuse to mr. man aare t manafort that if he held on and was uncooperative while pretending to cooperate, he would have the presidential blessing in the form of a pardon. >> and in fact the president flagged what the judge said incorrectly, quoting what the judge said, the judge never precisely saying that he wasn't charged with collusion. manafort's lawyer came directly out of the courtroom and said, there was no collusion here. that seemed to be a "pardon me" statement to the president, bob. >> yes. there's all sorts of ways to communicate. i don't know that, given the contact between trump's lawyers and manafort's lawyers during the period were all that subtle. some of them may have been behind closed doors. >> and judge jackson has a busy week, she also has the roger stone gag order. he is submitting last night that he did not remember or was not intentionally violating the gag order when he published a new introduction to his book. is she going to buy it? >> i don't think so. how cou

mr. manafort?yes and at this point it never hurts to ask. >> you said he should have, but did you hear that? that's what i meant by that, i'm sorry. >> i think the subtle message all along by manafort and his steam, going to trial, trying to hold out as long as he could, the mess an throughout has been hey, i'm a solid guy, pardon me. >> take a listen to what senator graham said today. >> it would be seen as a political disaster for the president. there may came a role down the road, but now would be a disaster. >> when would it not be a political disaster? i guess if it is president pence or someone that did it? >> cornering someone in the elevator is always a great move. interestingly everyone is giving speaker pelosi props for holding back saying essentially let's take it to the american people, we don't want to play into his hands by forcing the conversation to be about impeachment. if donald trump wants it saul to be about impeachment, which oddly enough, he might, pardon manafort. i was told

mr. manafort as a long life felon is beyond. gregg, what's manafort's team is up to here?ll, this is an unusual approach i can tell you. having filed and read many such filings. look, the mueller report, the mueller filing, i should not say the report, we have not seen that yet. the sentencing memo was pretty harsh. it was no holes bar. i think for good reasons based on what we know about the case and manafort's conduct and about his life with cooperation. and so, i guess his team thought they had nothing to lose and perhaps something to gain by taking a swing at the special counsel. the judge will see through this and i expect a very, very tough sentencing for mr. manafort. >> all right, gregg brower and and natasha bertran. thank you for being with us. up next, what can he do? we'll take a look at not just him but the big question, one of the big questions of 2020, will a dark horse candidate emerge? stay with us. ic playing ] mm, uh, what do you do for fun? -not this. ♪ -oh, what am i into? mostly progressive's name your price tool. helps people find coverage options ba

mr. manafort may be able to avoid the full length of his prison term if president trump decides to grant him a problem pardon. >> i feel very badly for paul manafort and i think it has been a very, very tough time for him. >> reporter: none of his crimes are related to work he did on the presidential election campaign. cbs news, washington dc. >>> right now, back into a courtroom trying to block laws. >> democrats are targeting three laws that the trump administration claims efforts. rolling last year to keep two of the laws but partially block a third. the white house wants them blocked entirely. rallies are on their way outside the san francisco courtroom today. some are also rallying outside of i.c.e. headquarters. >>> whether or not to block the emergency declaration on the border, the white house has already approved a relay solution to overturn it. >> we are calling on every member of the united states senate, set politics aside. stand up for border security. stand with this president and for the safety of the american people first. >> the president has already threatened to veto th

mr. manafort's attorney, he's far from pleased with the sentence. >> i think the judge showed that she's hostile towards mr. manafort and exhibited a level of callous news that i haven't seen in 15 years. >> and the prosecutor deal was thrown out when paul manafort laid to special counselors. they suggested a lesser sentence initially. prosecutors today did not take a position on impose ago particular sentence, but they did say this, that the special counsel's team according to their sentencing memo, they felt manafort presents many aggravating sentencing factors and no mitigating factors. shepard? >> the new charges levelled against manafort. the manhattan district attorney slapping manafort with mortgage fraud and several other crimes. these are the state charges. that's why the president can't save him from whatever the outcome. a president can only pardon those convicted of federal crimes. laura ingle with this part of the reporting live from new york. >> it appears manhattan's d.a. waited for the federal sentencing to wrap up before unsealing the 16-count indictment that was filed t

mr. manafort finally got to speak for himself. he made clear he accepts responsibility for his conduct, and i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one. there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. thank you, everybody. >> what do you think of the sentence? >> thank you, everybody. no collusion. wait, wait, what? even the very lenient judge who said that manafort had led an otherwise exemplary life, besides the eight major felonies that robbed the united states of tens of millions of dollars, even that judge said early on in the trial that the charges against manafort had nothing to do with russian collusion, so to come out of that trial saying see that, no evidence of collusion, that makes about zero sense. and then today as if by coincidence, donald trump picked up that familiar talking point and ran with it. very pointedly directing reporters to those comments from manafort's lawyer. trump said he was,

mr. manafort. i imagine you believe that the next thing the president says will be fairly critical. >> yeah, i think that's right, brian. the president has been quite sympathetic about the case of paul manafort, and has been for many months now, including at the end of last week after the judge in virginia issued that four-year prison sentence. my colleagues and i am sure are going to be asking the president at first opportunity after tomorrow's court developments what he thinks about the manafort situation, and importantly, whether he is considering pardoning paul manafort. he has notably not closed the door on that, although his lawyers insist that he is not at this moment considering any active pardons. but look, we know it's a president who likes to use his clemency power, who has pardoned people who are political allies, and he believes are supporters and have his interests at heart, such as sheriff joe arpaio from arizona, and very well may at some point consider pardoning paul manafort, who w

mr. manafort did. he met with mr. kilimnik with ties with russian intelligence and handed over trump polling data, which is exactly what you would use to attack the democratic process. one of the almosts of what t al did is weaponize social media. you want to know what to target. they gave them the ammunition to attack our democratic process. comey said the russians attacked our process to help one can't and hurt another can't. >> those issues which you raised, manafort was not charged with any criminal activity related to that either in northern virginia, by the u.s. attorney there, or what was going on with the special counsel robert mueller's charges today. >> i think the mueller investigation has still got work to do. >> manafort wasn't charged with criminal activity when he supposedly handed over confidential polling information to a russian operative. >> the justice system sometimes disappoints. the facts remain that was information in court documents. court documents that can't be -- they can't put that informa

mr. manafort. >> all right. while she has her work cut out for her. she is expected to set roger stone's trial date. she has given him multiple warnings to stop talking about the case. can she send him to jail? >> she could. we will find out two things, one the trial date, two, how she plans to deal with roger stone giving the gag order. she already gave am warning, a second chance. i don't know if she will throw him in jail or give him another chance. i feel safe in predicting, it's been a month-and-a-half since he has been indicted. we will find out the trial date early this year or next year. he has a long time to go between now and the trial. whether he gets thrown in jail or not this week, i have a hard time seeing him make the it months and months into next year keeping his nose clean without doing something else that violates the gag older or violates illegal or improper conduct that she doesn't end up putting him in detention at some point before we get to trial. >> joyce, another person in the president's orbit, actually, betsy devos' brother

mr. manafort to impugn his character in a manner that this country has not experienced in decades." the defense also cited manafort's failing health, his bout with gout which took him to the hospital, his use of a wheelchair. there sentencing memorandum evening included this quote by jeffrey tribbett cnn. "i saw paul manafort and could give pretty looks like a man who is dying." the government cited his litany of misdeeds. unreported income, six milli- dollars in taxes owed, $55 million hidden in foreign bank accounts, $25 million secured from financial institutions through lies. quoting, "manafort did not commit these crimes out of necessity or hardship. he was well-educated, professional is successful, financially well-off, he nonetheless cheated the united states treasury and the public at a time when he had substantial resources." next week you will be sentenced for separate crimes in the district of columbia, which could add on another ten years to his sentence. the likelihood of 70-year-old paul manafort ever seen the light of day outside of a jail cell, it will likely be depe

mr. manafort and exhibited a level of callousness that i have not seen in a white collar case in over 15 years of prosecution. >> reporter: a final take away, dana. in this case the judge was very clear that on the question of russian collusion or russian coordination, this was not presented as a central element of the case. so in her view, she felt it was unresolved. a final idea to put to you on manafort's acceptance of responsibility. a number of people rose to the judge on his behalf seeking leniency. he did not do so. she questioned in court whether this may have been an effort to protect or shield others in the future. dana? >> dana: all right. catherine herridge, thank you. and moments after manafort learned his fate in federal court, he was indicted on new charges in new york state. let's go to laura ingall. >> reporter: well, state prosecutors here in new york filed a 16 count indictment last thursday and appeared to have waited until today's sentencing to make it public. the grand jury releasing the indictment that alleges a year long scheme in which manafort is accused of fals

mr. manafort finally got to speak for himself. he made clear he accepts responsibility for his conduct, and i think most importantly what you saw today is the same thing that we had said from day one -- there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved in any collusion with any government official from russia. >> huh. that sounds vaguely familiar. trump offered this predictable spin. >> the judge said there was no collusion with russia. this had nothing to do with collusion. it's a collusion hoax, a collusion witch hoax. i don't cole collude also made statement that -- keep the hoax going. it's just a hoax. >> mr. president, you can be honored all you want, but the judge never said that. the judge said that collusion had nothing to do with the trial. this particular case wasn't about collusion, but it was manafort's no-collusion sign-off, we wonder if that's a signal to donald trump that he's still on board and he would very much like a pardon. my panel joins me this morning. thank you all for being here. paul butler

mr. manafort is prosecuted and perhaps serves prison time even if he is pardoned. >> manafort was one ofpecial counsel robert mueller's first targets. combined yesterday's sentence with his virginia sentence from last week, manafort will now spend more than seven years behind bars. >>> and a man accused of being a top mob boss has been shot and killed in new york city. francesco cali was found with multiple gunshot wounds last night on staten island. police say the shooter drove by in a pickup truck and opened fire on cali before then running him over. authorities say cali was a high-ranking member of the gambino crime family and is believed to be the acting boss. so far no arrests have been made. >>> coming up on the "morning news" now, there's a race to save children after the collapse of a building in nigeria that housed a school. >>> actor jussie smollett is due in court today amid questions over actions by the state's attorney in the case. >>> this is the "cbs morning news." itso chantix can help you quit "slow turkey." along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with ch

mr. manafort got to speak for himself and seen what we said from day one, there is absolutely no evidence that paul manafort was involved with any collusion with any government official from russia. thank you, everybody. >> what do you think of the sentence? >> thank you, everybody. no collusion. wait, wait, what? even the very lenient judge who said that manafort had led an otherwise exemplarily life that robbed the united states of tens of millions of dollars, that judge said early on the charges against manafort had nothing to do with collusion. to come out of that trial to say see that, no evidence of collusion thanks makes zero sense and today, as if by coincidence donald trump picked up that familiar talking point and ran with it, very pointedly directing reporters to those comments from manafort's lawyers. trump said he was quote honored that the judge and case declared that there was no collusion in russia. first of all, that's not true. the judge did not say that and again, that's not what the manafort case was about. but trump was very honored by those imaginary words by the jud

mr. manafort, or roger stone or perhaps others, those materials may behe searches thad of mr. manafort, completely inaccessible or largely inaccessible, to the degree that under the original materials, the copies were provided back to those individuals. nonetheless, the likelihood of our being able to obtain that evidence in totality is very small, given the history of those individuals of tampering with witnesses, obstructing justice, or failing to fully comply with our subpoena in the case of roger stone in the past. so, the public interest i think compels this coverage. -- discovery. the necessity of the justice department appearing evenhanded, no matter who controls the congress, necessitates provision of these materials. the department should obviously maintain its investigative interests, that cannot be held as an absolute bar to providing materials to the congress. the congress's interest, the public's interest ifill be severely inhibited we have to retrace all the steps the mueller took with far greater resources. so that's what i wanted to start the morning off with, a

mr. manafort's been indicted. it's getting all kinds of scrutiny. >> do you believe it deserves scrutiny? >> that's what the special counsel is doing. that's his call not my call. so, yeah, if they're looking at all of that that's fine, but that's not what this wednesday was about. this was a guy coming in who has zero credibility and who has lied and is going to prison for lying and one of those lies was lying to congress previously and guess what he did? he came in front of congress and told at least, at least six different lies. >> you were very concerned about a lot of the lying. does it bother you that paul manafort, george papadopoulos, michael flynn, michael cohen, all these people around the president, all these people around the president has all been convicted or pled guilty to lying? to either investigators or congress. there are a lot of liars around the president, why? >> here's what bothers me most. jim comey, director of the fbi fired. amy -- andy mccabe fired. >> you're upset that he was fired? >>

mr. manafort. it's a unique case in that the sentencing guidelines are way above the maximum sentence that judge berman jackson can give, which is ten years. the defense has agreed that guideline range, upwards of 17 to 21 years, is a reasonable sentence and should be sentenced within that guideline range. >> you think it could be a tougher day for manafort next week? >> yeah, no question. >> seth waxman, who has been there, thank you. >>> i want to turn now, as promised. joined by melissa murray. we're going to walk through something that is so important, even if you already heard about it, which is that there is racial injustice in criminal sentencing. thank you for being here. >> shocking. >> let's walk through this. manafort had a pretty light sentence. it's a reminder of the blatant inequities in our justice system. found black male offenders receive sentences that are 19% longer than similarly situated white male offenders. that's just when you get to the sentencing stage and the facts. let's

mr. manafort. it's a unique case in the fact the sentencing guidelines are way above the maximum sentence that judge berman can give. which a ten years. that guideline range which is upwards of 17 to 21 years is a reasonable sentence and should be sentenced within that guideline range. >> you think it could be a tougher day next week? >> yeah, no question. >> seth waxman who's been there, thank you. >>> i want to turn now as promised. i'm joined by melissa murray. we're going to walk through something so important even if you'd already heard about it. that there is racial injustice in criminal sentencing. >> shocking. >> let's walk through this. manafort had a light sentence. take a look at this recent study. 2017 from the sentencing commission that showed black male offenders are 19% longer. that's just the sentencing stage. then let's look at judge ellis more narrowly. this is the person who sentenced paul manafort and hasn't shied away in some cases. let's look at what he's done in other cases i

i do feel badly for paul manafort-- that i can tell you. >> reporter: but even if mr.rump grants a pardon for the federal crimes, his powers don't extend to state crimes. rormer federal prosecutor scott fredericksen: c it certainly appears to be an attempt by the manhattan d.a., cy vance, to make sure that mr. manafort is prosecuted and perhaps serves prison time, even if he is pardoned. >> reporter: the 69-year-old prmer trump campaign chairman was one of robert mueller's first targets, and is heading to jail for a range of federal r imes, including bank fraud, witness tampering, and conspiracy against the united states. in court today, manafort appeared in a wheelchair wearing a dark suit and holding a cane. "i am sorry for what i have done," he told judge amy berman jackson. he asked her not to separate him from his wife and family. but judge jackson was not moved, saying manafort was "not a victim," and that "it is hard to overstate the number of lies and the amount of fraud involved in his crimes." new york prosecutors have to be rsreful, jeff, that the crimes the

mr. manafort, did you commit a crime? >> reporter: his department campaign manager. his first national security adviser. and his longtime personal attorney and fixer. mueller also zeroing in on the russians, indicting 26 people and unspooling an elaborate scheme to influence the 2016 eleby hurting hillary clinton and helping donald trump. >> information warfare against the united states. >> reporter: but president trump seeming to side with putin over the american intelligence agencies. >> i have president putin and he just said it's not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> reporter: trump attacking the investigation at every turn. >> the entire thing has been a witch hunt. they won't find any collusion. it doesn't exist. there was no collusion. there was no obstruction. there was no nothing. >> why don't i just fire mueller? it's a disgrace what's going on. many have said you should fire him. >> reporter: the special counsel's team interviewing dozens of witnesses, including around 30 current or former white house officials. but presid