mrs. mccullen mrs. clark to engage in peaceful, cons sensual conversation on a public sidewalk, for fear of obstruction and congestion, is narrowly tailored. problem thei, the state faced is it doesn't know, considerable history of disturbances of and itg the entrance, doesn't -- well behaviored people and the people who don't behave well. occursr a disturbance it's too late. so the state is trying to say we want to make sure that the entrance is not blocked, and the only way we can the rule that applies to everyone. we cab screen people to know who will be well behaved and who will be disruptive. >> so i think the state is simply wrong about that fact for several reasons. there are many tools that the state either has in its current tool box or could enact that would deal with that concern. if i may back up for a second, i there are two different interests that the state asserts when it makes that argument, ginsburg. first they say that are actual deliberate, there are some people who the state claims

mrs. mccullen does her counseling on tuesdays and wednesdays.alone when she does the counseling. nancy clark testified that 90% of the time, she is alone. the statue that makes it illegal for them to engage in peaceful and consensual conversation on a public sidewalk for fear of obstruction and congestion is not narrowly tailored. >> there is a considerable history of disturbances and blocking the entrance. it doesn't know in advance to our the well behaved people and who are the people who want behaved well. after the disturbance occurs, it is too late. the state is trying to say, we want to make sure that the entrance is not blocked, and the only word can do that is to have a rule that applies to everyone. we can't screen people to know who will be well behaved and who will be disruptive. >> this state is wrong about that fact for many reasons. there are many tools that the state has or could enact that would deal with that concern. if i may backup, there are two interests that the state asserts when it makes that argument. they say that they

mrs. mccullen says may i offer you an alternative? that is content-based. the government doesn't get to decide that you can make decisions based on content. >> am i correct that the attorney general's regulation made this even more content- based? >> i agree. that is one reason that interpretation is unconstitutional. the government can say to people who work for planned parenthood. , -- who work for planned parenthood we won't arrest you , unless we -- you talk about abortion. that mirrors the state's exemption of people walking through the zone. you can walk through, provided that the individual doesn't do anything else such as express their views on abortion. >> it's that you can't talk about anything. the content isn't based on abortion. it says you can't talk about anything. >> the intervention about employees is speech about abortion. >> if you're going to the zone just to get somewhere, not to get to the clinic, and you are walking with a companion, can't you speak with your companion? >> the attorney general has taken multiple positions on that. in

mrs. mccullen does her counseling on tuesdays and wednesdays. she testified she is sometimes alone when she does the counseling. nancy clark testified that 90% of the time, she is alone. the statue that makes it illegal for them to engage in peaceful and consensual conversation on a public sidewalk for fear of obstruction and congestion is not narrowly tailored. >> there is a considerable history of disturbances and blocking the entrance. it doesn't know in advance to our the well behaved people and who are the people who want behaved well. after the disturbance occurs, it is too late. the state is trying to say, we want to make sure that the entrance is not blocked, and the only word can do that is to have a rule that applies to everyone. we can't screen people to know who will be well behaved and who will be disruptive. >> this state is wrong about that fact for many reasons. there are many tools that the state has or could enact that would deal with that concern. if i may backup, there are two interests that the state asserts when it makes th

mrs. mccullen who seems to be perfectly lovely-- . >> woodruff: the woman bringing the case. >> made her own point when she said the women do stop and talk with her. what she wants is more time. and so there is nothing that prevents any woman who wants to spend more time with the prowess it-- protestors educating themselves from straying there. what there is is a public safety need to enforce civil access to the reproductive health centres. >> woodruff: steve aden from your perspective, why does this case matter what is important about it. >> it is a very important case, and the pro movement of which my application is a part completely renounces that violence, but that was a long time ago. what we have here is a grandmother who wants to gently and peaceably talk to women who want their options which they won't here in the planned parenthood clin anything boston, ordinarily. but what the commonwealth of massachusetts has done is drawn a literal line in the sidewalk, a line of exclusion around that speech and said this far and no further. the sidewalk, the public parks, from the beginning of t

mrs. mccullen to prison. that is an extraordinary power to the government to enforce. thank you. >> think you counsel. counsel.you, cases submitted. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> coming up next, president obama to prevent sexual assaults on college campuses. and then regulating domestic drone used. -- use. >> thursday, a discussion on recent spike environment in iraq a potential iraq a government plan to great advances in parts of the country. the speaker of the iraq council of representatives speaks at the brookings institution lives at 9 a.m. eastern on c-span 2. at 11 a.m., tell-all book discusses recommendations on foreign-policy issues. live coverage of that event also on c-span 2. >> many of egyptians came town -- down to the streets in a nationwide protests. after landing in going toward tarver your square square, i'm stuck at one of the checkpoints and they search the car. they said, come with us. we want to talk with you for a wild. i went to a place in which i do not know th