mrs. miller: mr. speaker, thank you. i would ask unanimous consent that all members may have five legislative days to revise and extend their remarks on the house -- resolution. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mrs. miller: i yield myself such time as i may consume. mr. speaker, mrs. miller: i rise today to establish an academic competition that promotes innovation among students from across the country in the science, technology, engineering and math or the stem fields as they are called. this program will be modeled, mr. speaker, after the congressional art competition. the academic congressional competent ligs will be a nationwide stem competition, for participating students in every congressional district. each year students will submit stem projects or programs to their representatives for consideration. representatives, members of congress, will then select a winning submission that will be recognized in washington, d.c., each year. the initial focus of this competition will be softwa

mr. miller ? let's just say i work for people in business who work with people in politics. i do not understand. what was wrong with jess' speech ? nothing. the bottom line is, you can make speeches until doomsday. what you need more than anything else is money. without that you haven't got a prayer. i have a few hundred dollars available. i would give it to jess in a second. no, i'm talking big money, as in lots of zeroes. well, that's not going to happen. of course not. jess is not going to win by buying votes. i'm sure you're right. well, good luck to you. and thank you for the coffee. what does he know ? probably a lot. [ narrator ] "government of the people, by the people and for the people--" a basic principle that is the foundation for governmt in the united states. most citizens see the close relationship between govement and the people... at the local level close to home. the mayor of a city or town represents the executive branch of local government. motion to second to approve recommendations of staff. please vote. the role of the mayor of riverside is both compli

mr. miller. >> mr. pompei, do you have school resource officers in your school or schools you've worked inur district does. >> how do you interact with them? >> well, you know, they collaborate with the local b law enforcement, so it's a contract that they -- >> how do you interact if you're counseling students and have resource officers, do you talk to one another, do you discuss students, do you tip one another as to maybe problems a student is having or not so as you go through the day you're aware of these -- >> sure. you will see an sro in the office of a school counselor quite frequently. counselors are very uniquely qualified. we advocate on behalf of the wellbeing of that student, and so we don't typically get involved in discipline. we're there sometimes to mediate, but we do remain neutral to make sure we keep that trusting relationship -- >> mr. canady, is that usual? >> i think that's very consistent. and it, it is something that -- >> have separate jobs, but you have -- >> very separate job

mr. miller who apparently spoke to the "financial times" yesterday and that interview published overnight. the people that basically played on this rumor wrote it very quickly and then got off. they rode it quickly and then got off. >> it had a high of $705. miller, one of the most respected voices within the mutual fund universe. he's had spectacular hits and perhaps more recent lin his investing career, spectacular misses as well and those shouldn't be missed. he does favor apple. >> most of is sitting at the desk here have favored apple. fundamentally there's nothing wrong with apple and nothing wrong at 700. we were talking about the technicals, once it broke through specific labels, it was time to stay away until it can prove itself. they sold 48 million iphones. we know the numbers they went through and know there's a bit of margin compression issues and different storylines. the reasons we're seeing this move, talking about the 465 level, we start to close above that for multiple sessions maybe apple trades back on that fundamental story, monstrous cash, love the stock and love wha

mr. miller who looked at the number of bookstores and libraries as well as newspaper circulation and the education level of each of the city's population you can see them by going to u.s. a today. >> a library dhaka was checked out in 1958 made its way back to the new york public library on monday. the 55 years overdue book was returned with an envelope with a check for $100 to cover the cost. the manager jennifer says the records don't date back to the 1950's, so it is impossible to know who the book more work was. the overdue book was the biography of a priest title defier of france and xavier. state to date on the breaking news on publishing by liking as on facebook or you can follow us on a trader at booktv or visit the web site, booktv.org and click on news about books. >> what role does religion play? it seems to be important in who is going to have children and who is not, but it's in the sense of belief that in attendance the church services or other participation. can you talk about that a little bit? >> it is a fascinating subject because it has changed. if you go back and look

mr. miller, what steps has the u.s. taken both at home and abroad to complete reforms in a way that makes the financial system safer, banks too big to fail, bailouts, and for most stable economic growth. and what are the challenges to accomplish this? >> i think the most important thing that we can do is to restore confidence in our financial markets and our financial system. and i think the work that has gone on post-the dodd-frank reforms has been incredibly important making sure they are better capitalized, that they are more likd, and that they have a good plan for failure should they not succeed. i don't think our reforms are intended to prevent failure but they are making us much better prepared and to make sure our financial institutions and the activities they engage in are much safer and sounder. so we have been working very hard, i think, in the u.s. and abroad with our international counterparts to make sure that we put in place the necessary rules of the road to make sure these things can happen. so it's hap

mr. miller, can you hear me? >> yes, i can. >> obviously we're seeing these flames engulfing this cabin. what can you tell us about most of the homes and structures in this area and why fire is such a risk? >> well, you know, southern california is a fire-prone area year round. down here, this is known as the santa ana river drainage in the seven oaks area. it is about a mile and a half air miles from where mr. dorner's pickup truck initially was discovered on forest road and the specific location is a seasonal resort that's under permit from the u.s. forest service and in the general area, forest service special youth cabins and organizational camps. >> the structures in the area, we were speculating earlier, obviously a lot of them wooden, a lot of independent fuel sources, propane, kerosene in the homes, things that are obviously readily flammable? >> right. these are old, mostly historic cabins. >> do you know, to your knowledge, is there any effort to try to put out this fire? >> no. i'm not aware of any eff

mr. miller, for five minutes. mr. miller: mr. speaker, i read with interest the majority leader cantor's speech last week on the majority's latest relaunch of the house g.o.p.'s attempt to identify what -- with the middle class. he he said that the house will pursue an agenda of health, happiness, and prosperity for more americans and their families. he went on to identify very important problems for millions of americans. how to balance work and family. unfortunately, that was the end of the relaunch because to address this problem the majority leader proposed an old scheme that actually takes away workers' rights to overtime pay in exchange for employer controlled comp time. this scheme has been bouncing around big business wish list for decades. it's a two for big business. workers get less predictable schedules and they earn less pay. the prescription for what ails working families is to minister more poison. give working families less control over their life and less money in their pocket. this plan does not give workers fle

mr. miller, for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. good to have you here chairman bernanke.employment inflation, you have expressed that in your statements over and over. i know you care about the economy. but i'm having some concerns with some of the regulations being proposed by the fed right now. you did state that the housing market is recovering and i agree with that but it is very fragile in my opinion. the new housing regulations are very concerning. it was meant to protect consumers. when it's finalized, really presents credit worthy consumers from getting a mortgage in my opinion. a recent study says 40% of the mortgage originations would be eligible under qm but perhaps some of those shouldn't have been made but that's a scary number. i'm concerned as defined by qualified mortgage, any loans does not meet this requirement basically will not be made in the marketplace. a recent study by core logics says that's a huge problem. on qrm it's meant to make sure that lenders have skin in the game. but as drafted the field would be so small i'm not sure there's going to be

mr. miller and his comments about a qrm definition that is not too far from the qm definition. i heard mr. campbell criticize the fed because he hears people saying that you shouldn't fight the fed, and it's hard to price risk. i'm pretty old. i've seen your predecessors carry out just about every kind of fed policy i can imagine, and everybody's always muttering, "don't fight the fed," and the only time it's easy to price risk is when they are wrong. the mutterings that the gentleman from california hears are not just consistent with your monetary policy, but every other monetary policy that you could imagine. it was pointed out how important fannie and freddie are and fha. we heard testimony from moody's analytics that if fha had not been there, we would have seen another 25% decline in home prices. this, in my view, if that had happened, america would look somewhere between greece and thunder dome, so it's fortunate that we have those institutions. we've got a lot of capital on the sidelines as the gentleman from california pointed out. investment needs funds, but it also nee

miller and mr. fried for the great work that they have done but i do believe in the positions, in these rules that it's important for other members of the commission to play a leadership role and one of the great things about this body is that we have a lot of talent and i've had the honor of working with vice chair avalos in the last two years and it's been an honor and pleasure to serve with him, and i think that he has all of the qualities, expertise, temperament, ability to do a great job as chair of this body, so with that in mind it is my pleasure and honor to nominate commissioner john avalos to be the next chairperson. >> and i second that. >> all right. are there any other nominations? commissioner avalos. >> thank you. and thank you for your confidence and i will accept the nomination and i would like to acknowledge your great work on the committee, on lafco and the commission, especially the approve of cleanpower sf which i see is one of the most landmark pieces of work, legislation that

mr. miller has tried to get control of it. i remember him doing -- they have a committee meeting about the $2 million they spent in miami when they just kick people out of the hospital with ptsd. i am a disabled veteran. i lost my house, my car. i have to pay for my medical on outside. in tampa there is over 200 days the hospital goes and bypasses. that means there is no room for you. you have to go on the outside. i have to pay for our own medication because there's no room at a hospital. they have not added one hospital bed since 1974. they have had all these wars and are not taking care of us. they're wasting millions of dollars. they wonder why the vets are killing themselves. we love our country but do not want to say anything bad. guest: think you for your service to our country, and i am sorry for your injuries. we do have a responsibility. -- thank you for your service. we do have responsibility to the wounded warrior, families, and children. you could certainly call my office, if i could try to help you find your memb

mr. miller, what steps has the u.s.taken both at home and abroad to complete reforms in a way that makes the financial system safer, banks too big to fail, bailouts, and for most stable economic growth. and what are the challenges to accomplish this? >> i think the most important thing that we can do is to restore confidence in our financial markets and our financial system. and i think the work that has gone on post-the dodd-frank reforms has been incredibly important making sure they are better capitalized, that they are more likd, and that they have a good plan for failure should they not succeed. i don't think our reforms are intended to prevent failure but they are making us much better prepared and to make sure our financial institutions and the activities they engage in are much safer and sounder. so we have been working very hard, i think, in the u.s. and abroad with our international counterparts to make sure that we put in place the necessary rules of the road to make sure these things can happen. so it's happ

miller and commissioner campos would you like to open up this item? >> sure. >> thank you mr. chair and also defer to ms. miller on this. by understanding is there is more information we will get from the department of human resources and the clerk's office and so i know the report is here for the information and benefit of members of the commission and public but i would simply say it makes sense for us to continue this councilmember. >> okay. and ms. miller. >> yes. that's actually what is what i was going to say. we're not in the process of ready to act today so at the next meeting potentially. >> okay. very good. let's open this item up for public comment. any member of the public would like to comment on this item? seeing none we will close public comment. so colleagues we will continue this item to the next lafco meeting. >> so moved. >> very good. we will take that without objection. next item please. >> item seven office of workforce development report. >> i have no report. >> jason fried lafco staff. we know that one of the two positions at the board of supervisors the

the unfinished business is the vote on the motion of the gentlewoman from michigan, mrs. miller, to suspend the rules and agree to house resolution 77 on which the yeas and nays were ordered. the clerk will report the title of the resolution. the clerk: house resolution 77, resolution establishing an academic competition in the fields of science, technology, engineering and mathematics among students in congressional districts. the speaker: the question is will the house suspend the rules and agree to the resolution. members will record their votes by electronic device. this will be a five-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the speaker pro tempore: on this vote the yeas are 411, the nays are three. 2/3 of those voting having responded in the affirmative, the rules are suspended, the resolution is aagreed t

mr. miller tried to get control of it. i remember him doing -- they had a committee meeting about the $2 million that they spent down in miami when they just kicked people out of the hospital with ptsd. i'm a disabled vet. i've been waiting eight years for my v.a. claim. i've lost my house, i lost my car. i have to pay for my medical on the outside. in tampa there is over 200 days that the hospital goes and bypass means there's no room for you. have to go out on the outside to get -- i have to pay for my own medication because there's no room at the v.a. hospital. they haven't added one hospital bed in there since 1974. and they've had all these wars and they're not taking care of us. and they're wasting millions of dollars and they wonder why the vets are killing themselves. because we love our country but we don't want to see anything bad and we're being abused. guest: first of all, thank you for your service to our country. and i'm sorry for your injuries. and, yes, we do have a responsibility from the time of lincoln w

mr. miller of florida, mr. conaway of texas, mr. king of new york, mr. lobiondo of new jersey. mr. westmoreland of georgia. mr. rooney of florida, mr. heck of nevada, mr. pompeo of kansas. the speaker pro tempore: the chair announces the speaker's pursuant to section 643-c, public law 112-240 and the order of the house of january 3, 2013 to the commission on long-term care. the clerk: mr. steven guilliard, ms. grace marie turner of alexandria, virginia. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the house stands adjourned until noon on i can report to you the state of this old but youthful union is good. >> in keeping with time-honored tradition i have come to report to you on the state of the union and at pleased to report that america is much improved. there is good reason to believe that improvement will continue through the days to come. >> my duty tonight is to report on the state of the union. not this data or garment of our american community. and to set forth our responsibilities in the words of our founders to form a more perfect union. the state of the union is strong. >

this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. >> oh look. >> stephanie miller. >> hello mrwhere. jessica in maine, you're on "the stephanie miller show." welcome. hello, jess. >> caller: hi. >> stephanie: hi, go ahead. >> caller: two things. one not so serious and one serious. not as serious as how to get through nemo, go to a high school reunion with friends and drink all weekend. but the serious thing is with the sequester when that goes into effect march 1st, it is not like the fiscal cliff that we went over for a day or two and backed off. once it goes into effect, that means that -- i know a lot of people who work for the department of defense that all civilian employees will have to -- will only be allowed to work four days a week, take a 20% pay cut and that lasts through september 30th, the end of the fiscal year. once it goes in, it's done and there's no changing it. >> stephanie: mm-hmm, yep. >> caller: all of these people you know, like people who got kids that they signed up for college and now they have to refile them because they got a whole lot less income an

mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. appreciate your support. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> ms. miller? >> aye tim 14, discussion and vote pursuant to administrative code section 67.10(d) as to whether to conduct a closed session. >> is there a motion? second? all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposed? we are going into closed session. thank you all. >>please stand by - meeting in closed session >> $30,000. there was no discussion of anticipated litigation in closed session. directors, it would be appropriate for either motion to disclose or not disclose the information discussed. >> is there such a motion? no motion, i guess. >> second. >> any further discussion? all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposed? that's it. >> that concludes the buzzness before you today. >> thank you. * business [adjourned]

aaron david miller, you know, there was no foreign policy this week, and he called mr. obama the extricater in chief, a praise i rather liked, but other than that, i really found the commentary westbound quite dreary about a quite uninspiring and effective speech. >> the point is most liberal like these things. there's nothing in this particularly liberal. and it's gotten to the point that if you're a liberal you have to like every idea that barack obama has. and since 1980, i don't understand, like, why are-- the economy is turning around now and he wants to talk about raising the minimum wage? i mean, it just isn't-- this is not an inspiring reaction to what's going on. >> jon: cal. >> i wrote in a column this week, a higher authority to. and the president, the recycling old ideas. the guys are so deep in the tank with this guy if he came up they'd suffer from the bends. he didn't call the president a liar, but came close to it said all of his claims were fantastic. he mentioned head start. he wants pre-k, 3 to 4, and head start has been shown to be a failure. >> like

mr. curtis. host: patrick, you are on. emily miller is our guest. caller: i had a question about talkingof the about limiting magazines, would that be applicable to the government? if 10 rounds is good for the average american citizen, shouldn't it be good enough for the government? guest: it is a very good point. yes, if the government thinks 10 rounds is plenty a person needs to defend themselves, it should be plenty for a law enforcement. one company said it would no longer sell firearms for that exact reason. if you think that is all you need, we are not giving them to law enforcement anyway. this ten round thing is so arbitrary. the average person has four rounds go off. it is not based on anything scientifically. that is why new york came up with seven recently. it also makes no sense, we have criminals on the street. all you have to do is change the magazine. they will not be switching out 13-round magazines for 10-round ones. obviously. but even if they change the magazine, i can change a magazine in two seconds. it only takes the press of a

mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. appreciate your support. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> ms. miller? >> aye tim 14, discussion and vote pursuant to administrative code section 67.10(d) as to whether to conduct a closed session. >> is there a motion? second? all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposed? we are going into closed session. thank you all. >>please stand b >> $30,000. there was no discussion of anticipated litigation in closed session. directors, it would be appropriate for either motion to disclose or not disclose the information discussed. >> is there such a motion? no motion, i guess. >> second. >> any further discussion? all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposed? that's it. >> that concludes the buzzness before you today. >> thank you. * business [adjourned] >> we're ready to begin the meeting, everyone. good morning. today is wednesday, february 20th, 2013. this is the meeting of the abatement appeals board. i would like to remind everyone to turn off all electronic devices. the first item on the japed is roll call. president clinch? >> here. >> vice president mel berg? >>

mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. appreciate your support. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> ms. miller? >> aye tim 14, discussion and vote pursuant to administrative code section 67.10(d) as to whether to conduct a closed session. >> is there a motion? second? all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposed? we are going into closed session. thank you all. >>please stand b >> $30,000. there was no discussion of anticipated litigation in closed session. directors, it would be appropriate for either motion to disclose or not disclose the information discussed. >> is there such a motion? no motion, i guess. >> second. >> any further discussion? all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> opposed? that's it. >> that concludes the buzzness before you today. >> thank you. * business [adjourned] test, test, test test, test >> good afternoon. welcome to the san francisco board of supervisors february 12, '13. >> (calling roll). >> mr. president, all members are present. >> thank you ladies and gentlemen could you please join. >> in the pledge of allegiance. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states

mr. mcaleenan for his testimony. enacted morning, chairman miller, ranking member jackson lee, ranking member thompson and established members of the subcommittee. thank you for the opportunity to appear today. i appreciate the commitment to securing the american people and having a productive discussion on this important topic. cbp's opposite field operations carries out orders securities in all 50 states at 330 ports of entry and globally at 70 locations over 40 countries. our mission is preventing terrorists and terrorist weapons from entering the united states also interdicting persons, illicit drugs of agricultural pests and diseases and unsafe is safe and poor that violate trade dollars. ports of entry to find a secure border not only by the ability to prevent goods from the country but also the expeditious movement of travelers and cargo. in other words come he secure border is a well-managed border where mission risks are effectively identified and addressed in legitimate trade travel are expedited. with committee support, the department of

emily miller, you had two out of three of those words ready so we appreciate that. anything you heard from mr. curtis that you'd like to respond to? guest: i'm sorry. i couldn't hear mr. curtis. host: oh, i apologize for that. we will continue to take calls. patrick in montana, you are on. emily miller of "the washington times" is our guest. caller: hi. good morning. i had a question about -- with all the talk going on about how they wanted to limit magazine capacities of handguns and rifles, would that be applicable, too, shouldn't that also be applicable to the government, if 10 rounds is good for the average american citizen, shouldn't 10 rounds also be good enough for the government? host: emily miller? guest: it's a good point. it's a very, very good point. yes, obviously if the government thinks a state, for example, thinks that 10 rounds is plenty that a person needs to defend themselves then it should be plenty for the law enforcement. a company called olympic arms in washington state announced recently it would no longer sale its firearms to law enforcement in new york state for that

mr. mcaleenan for his testimony. >> good morning, chairman miller, ranking member jackson lee and ranking member thompson. thank you for the opportunity to appear before you. i appreciate the leadership to ensure the security of the american people and having a productive discussion this morning on this important topic. the field operations carries its border security in all 50 states at 330 ports of entry and globally at 70 ports. our priority mission is preventing terrorist weapons and terrorists into the united states. at ports of entry, we dine a secure border not only by our ability to prevent dangerous people and goods from entering the country but in terms to prevent dangerous cargo. it is a well managed border where mission risks are identified and addressed and legitimate trade and travel are expedited. with this committee's report, the department of homeland security are more capable than ever before in our efforts to secure or borders but we remain continuous in our efforts to improve efforts. the process of measuring our progress is a constant focus and can be almost as comple

mr. curtis, thank you. host: emily miller is also out at blue ridge. monica brady said cch stands for concealed carry handgun. emily had two out of three. anything the would like to respond to? -- you would like to respond to? guest: i could not hear mr. curtis. host: patrick, you are on. emily miller is our guest. caller: i had a question about -- all of the talking about limiting magazines, would that be applicable to the government? if 10 rounds is good for the average american citizen, shouldn't it be good enough for the government? guest: it is a very good point. yes, if the government thinks 10 rounds is plenty a person needs to defend themselves, it should be plenty for a law enforcement. one company said it would no longer sell firearms for that exact reason. if you think that is all you need, we are not giving them to law enforcement anyway. this ten round thing is so arbitrary. the average person has four rounds go off. it is not based on anything scientifically. that is why new york came up with seven recently. it also makes no sense, we hav

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mr. bratton, i appreciate you joining us, chief bratton. >>> i want to bring in a colleague. john miller worked in intelligence and criminal intelligence for the lapd. he's also a "cbs this morning" correspondent. what do you make of his training? how hard is he to track down? >> it's a pretty unique case. in some ways you have the classic manhunt. something quite an anomaly here. you have the hunted who is also hunting the hunters. he has, obviously, fired at police officers. he's turned on them as they've approached him. so this is not your average manhunt. you are talking about a guy who has military training in close quarter battle tactics, all kinds of weapons, long weapons, short womans, semiautomatic weapons. he's certified in intelligence and counterintelligence which means he's learned the trade craft of -- >> he knows how they would be looking for him? >> and then beyond the military training he has the training and tactics and procedures of the lapd. i went through the same academy that he did. they spent a great deal of time on firearms proficiency and tactical proficiency. a

mr. poland's son, who talked about what a hero his father was not just on that day, as you just heard from john miller, but really every day of his life in his relationships with the community and his love for those children on his school bus. we've also learned more tonight, we have more tonight from our martin savidge. >> reporter: we now have a clearer picture of how authorities ended the seven-day bunker standoff. once the order was given, members of an fbi hostage reece rescue team used explosives including flash bang stun grenades to gain access to the bunker and disorient kidnapper jimmy lee dykes. still dykes was reportedly able to get off at least one shot at the agents, who returned fire, killing him. then the agents quickly rescued his young hostage, who amazingly, despite the blast and gunfire, was physically unharmed. dale county sheriff wally olson says ultimately the decision to go was his. >> i'll be real honest with you, it's one of the hardest decisions i've ever made in my life. >> reporter: after the raid authorities discovered two explosive devices, including one in the bunker and

mr. bratton, i appreciate you joining us. i want to bring in a colleague with experience reporting on law enforcement and participating in it. john miller worked in counterterrorism for the lapd for three years and he's also a cbs correspondent. you have long history in law enforcement. what do you make of this suspect, given his training? how hard is it to track him down? >> it's a unique case. in some ways, you have the classic manhunt, and you also have something that is quite an anomaly which is you have the hunted, who is also hunting the hunters. he has obviously fired at police officers. he's turned on them as they have approached him. so this is not your average manhunt. you're talking about a guy who has military training in close quarter battle tactics, all kinds of weapons, long weapons, short weapons, automatic weapons, semiautomatic weapons. he's certified in intelligence and counter intelligence which means he's learned the trade task of intelligence. and beyond the military training, of course, he has the training in tactics and procedures of the lapd. i went through the same academy he did and they spent a great deal of