mrs. napolitano: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise in support of h.r. 885, missions onio national historic park boundary expansion act of 2013. being a native texan, this is very important for me. i thank representative doggett and others for pushing this legislation for. this is the third time the house has considered legislation to expand the san antonio missions. hopefully the third time will be the charm. currently, there are 137 achers of land managed by the national park service that are not part they have existing san antonio missions national historic park. expanding the boundaries of the park will ensure that these culture and archaeological resources are protected. mr. doggett has been involved in legislation since the proposal first came before us several years ago, i'm not sure when, though i know that he would have preferred a broader bill that included a study of the additional potential park air yays, i shore -- park areas, i thoroughly appreciate his air -- his work to obtain a bill that can be agreed on. i look

mrs. napolitano: mr. speaker, h.r. 126 directs the secretary of the interior to enter into an agreement with the corolla wild horse fund, as well as local and state authorities to provide for the management of a wild horses in and around national wildlife refuge. the agreement will increase the cap on the herd size and specify that the privately funded corolla wild horse fund will cover the cost of managing the herd. this refuge was established in 1984 to preserve and protect the native coastal barrier ecosystem. the refuge provides habitat for migrating water fowl and for the endangered species, such as piping plover and sea turtles. it is unusual to protect a nonnative species such as these horses in a wildlife refuge, extra effort and resources are needed to ensure that the herd does not impair the ecosystem for the native animals and plants. h.r. 126 is an imperfect solution, though a solution, to a very difficult problem. we must continue working with fish and wildlife service and with the local comm

mrs. napolitano, after i ask her specifically, are you releasing anyone from detention , and she looked me right in the eye and said, no, and two days later she released 2,300. so, don't tell me -- and of in the top two categories were both represented in that release. the most serious and the second most serious categories of crimes we hold people for. so this is a policy, this administration continues to have a policy of not enforcing the law and quite frankly we need this availability of beds so we can enforce the law. yield back. the chair: the question is on the amendment offered by the gentleman from florida. those in favor say aye. those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the noes have it. the amendment -- >> i ask for a recorded vote. the chair: pursuant to clause 6 of rule 18, further proceedings on the amendment offered by the gentleman from florida will be postponed. the clerk will read. the clerk: page 15, line 4, automation modernization, $34,900,000 to remain available until september 30, 2016. construction, $5 million, to remain available until september 30, 2017. tra

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they have sued secretary napolitano and mr. morte from executing plan congressional men is that they deal they have no other obligation than to enforce. they have to do it, but they've been told not to do it. rather than limiting the power of those political appointees within the department of homeland security, at 744 provides them with nearly unlimited discussion, which will serve only to further cripple the law enforcement missions of these agencies, close quote. they has to be a participate to the gang of eight rating this thing. they asked repeatedly, they warn this was going to note her. they enforce the law every day. they weren't here for the big business who wanted more cheap labor and that's who wrote the bill. he didn't listen to the people who deal with that, who put their lives on the line. so this letter continues while business groups, activists another special interest were involved in drafting past 744. law-enforcement personnel were excluded from those meetings. officers, state and local person working directl

they've actually sued secretary napolitano and mr. morton for blocking them from executing plain congressional mandates that they feel they have no other obligation than to enforce. they have to do it. but they've been told not to do it. rather than -- they say this, "rather than limiting the power of those political appointees within the department of homeland security, s. 744 ploys them with nearly unlimited discretion which will serve only to further cripple the law enforcement missions of these agencies." i've talked to these officers. they asked to be a participant with the gang of eight in writing this thing. they were refused. they asked repeatedly. they warned that this was not going to work. they never wanted to hear from the people who enforced law every day. they wanted to hear from the amnesty crowd. that's who they met with. they wanted to hear from the big business guys who want more labor, cheap labor. and that's who wrote the bill. but they didn't listen to the people who deal with this, who put their lives on the line

they've actually sued secretary napolitano and mr.orton for blocking them from executing plain congressional mandates that they feel they have no other obligation than to enforce. they have to do it. but they've been told not to do it. rather than -- they say this, "rather than limiting the power of those political appointees within the department of homeland security, s. 744 ploys them with nearly unlimited discretion which will serve only to further cripple the law enforcement missions of these agencies." i've talked to these officers. they asked to be a participant with the gang of eight in writing this thing. they were refused. they asked repeatedly. they warned that this was not going to work. they never wanted to hear from the people who enforced law every day. they wanted to hear from the amnesty crowd. that's who they met with. they wanted to hear from the big business guys who want more labor, cheap labor. and that's who wrote the bill. but they didn't listen to the people who deal with this, who put their lives on the line.

and indeed and amazingly, the law enforcement officers filed a lawsuit against secretary napolitano and mr. morton, and they're claiming that they are being forced to violate law. and the judges allowed this case to go forward, and it's being discussed. it's in court right now. i've never heard, as a federal prosecutor for nearly 15 years, i've never heard of such a thing where the officers are suing their supervisors who won't let them follow plain law. this is the problem we deal with. so, over a year ago, as senator durbin mentioned earlier, the president implemented a backdoor amnesty for about 1.7 million pew estimate illegal immigrants who are here through a program called the deferred action for childhood arrives, daca. so this is a daca program. he issued a director. it covers aliens who entered the country illegally when they were under the age of 16 and not older than 31 as of june 15, 2012. congress dealt with legislation to that effect and rejected it, did not pass it. according to the published department of homeland security guidelines, each daca applicant is required to subm

mr. martin. they filed a lawsuit against secretary napolitano. -- and they have asserted to her that she is blocking them through regulations and policies from enforcing the law that they are sworn to enforce. the matter has been in the courts considering this lawsuit. i have never heard of that. federal agents suing because they are not allowed to enforce the law. that is going on in america today. -- i say they said this will make it worse. they said this would endanger national security. and what about the other part of the immigration process that -- process that this group of officers -- they have to review the amnesty amnestyions -- applications, review applications from abroad, and do those kinds of things. well, what do they say about it they say the bill will make the situation worse. it will make it impossible for them to do their job. they do not have anything like the capacity to process the 11 million people that are going to be asking for amnesty, and it is not going to work. it will make the system worse. they have not been listened to in this process either. senator schumer says -- i

napolitano. >> thank you, mr. chair, thank you for your service, and good luck in your retirement. >> thank you. >> one of the things that's not spoken to is the sequesteration impact on your staff, the ability to move projects a en-- and if you were to -- by some crystal ball magic or something get money to do the projects that need to be done, would you have the trained personnel to do it? >> it's trayly important that we have trained people. i look, really to be a master you need three things: education, training, and experience, and a lot of our staff have that, but a lot of them are reaching that mature age moving on to other places. we are revamping training, particularly in the planners -- in the planning community, and m. tab is putting that training together now, and we're requiring that planners be certified in the work that they do. >> so it is possible you may not have enough experienced personnel to carry out some of the projects if you did have some other funding? >> what we do, congresswoman, is wha

napolitano is here. we may differ in our view of mr. snowden.is in moscow now. you have to believe he is spilling all the technical secrets that he's got to china and russia. he is spilling the beans. he is breaking our laws. i see the man guilty of espionage. you? >> the espionage statute, of 1917, a temporary wartime probation that was supposed to exist only during world war i which makes it a crime to use words that aid and encourage the enemy or a crime to use words that harm the united states and wartime was arguably invalidated by the supreme court and the pentagon papers case when the exonerated the "new york times." that is the first problem the government has with suggesting this as as the notch. espionage that is pure speech is arguably unconstitutional. the second problem the government has is with the government tries to show that it was harmed by what he did, it often has to spill more secrets than it said the defendants billed. stuart: you do not think that he is a spy, do you? >> i think he was a spy on us. he worked for the nsa a

napolitano again. this isn't that hard, mr. speaker. if you're serious about enforcing the border, you can that if you would give me janet napolitano's job and a president who doesn't tie my hands i would take the resources that are committed now within the 50 miles of the southern border, the southwest border, and i would get you upwards of the 99th percentile of border security within three years. maybe sooner but i think it would take half a year to get the administrative thing jump starred. i'm in the construction business. i know how to build a fence, a wall, and a fence. i know what it costs to do that. i'm not proposing we go down, i wouldn't bid such a thing but i can surely provide advice. i have designed it already a fence, a wall, and a fence with access roads between so you have a road between the first fence number one, wall would be the second and fence above that, you can patrol both of those areas between a fence a wall and a fence. doing so, you could secure it. when you have border patrol personnel, it's good to have th

napolitano. what do you think of these latest developments. >> i'm not surprised the aclu fueled the lawsuit. the lawsuit is right on the mark. my own views are absolutely consistent with mr i encourage congressman amash not to stay quiet. what kind of democracies this where the government tells our elected representatives have to keep what they learn to themselves. >> neil: they have been sworn to secrecy. we're going to hold an off theç record briefing about how he go off the reservation. >> that is not representative democracy. of usñr -- rest of us. as for this lawsuit, this lawsuit alleges that the aclu itself is a customer of verizon and itself has had its own constitutional rights violated. that getsç over the huge obstae to filing these lawsuits called standing, where the plaintiff has to show that the plaintiff himself was injured. the aclu is prepared to demonstrate it's a verizon customer. >> neil: how can it prove it was injured if it was among the 115 million records collected. >> has to wait for discovery to see if any of the phone report were acted pongo. >> neil: what if they weren't. >> supreme court cases show that whenever the government illegally or

mr. martin. they filed a lawsuit against secretary napolitano and they've asserted to her that -- that she's blocking them through regulations and -- and policies from enforcing the law they're sworn to enforce and the matter's been in the court and the court's considering this lawsuit. i've never heard of that, federal agents suing because they're not allowed to enforce the law. that is going on in america today. and the i.c.e. agents, they've written us a letter and they said, this will make it work. they said, it will endanger national security. and what about the other part of the immigration process, the citizenship and immigration service? this is the group of officers who have to review the amnesty applications, review applications from abroad and do those kind of things. well, what do they say about it? they say the bill will make the situation worse, it will make it impossible for them to do their job. they do not have anything like the capacity to process the 11 million people that are going to be asking for amnesty. and it's not going to work, it will make the system worse. they haven't be

mr. grassley: when i closed last night, i posed nine questions to secretary napolitano about the immigration bill. she said when she was going to be confirmed that she would answer questions that congress put before her. my questions came at the end of her hearing on the immigration bill and we have not received an answer now in 49 or 50 days. and i would appreciate answers to those questions. i want to speak about the entry-exit system in the legislation before us. one of the concerns that have been made about the immigration bill before us is that it weakens current law in several areas. now, when i go to my town meetings, i invariably get somebody saying, we don't need more legislation; just enforce the laws that are on the books. those very same constituents of mine would probably be really chagrined at the fact that we have legislation before us that would weaken current law. well, we had a lengthy discussion during the judiciary committee markup about provisions dealing with criminal activity and deterring illegal immigration in the future. i found that many existing statutes in this l

mr. president, is that the department has testified -- the secretary, secretary napolitano has testified several times before the congress, including recent testimony before the judiciary committee, that the department of homeland security does not need these blanket authorities to waive the environmental laws. they have not requested blanket authorities, mr. president, to waive the environmental laws. and i think the secretary's view in this regard speaks volumes to the need to carefulfully review legislation, so as to make sure that when you're talking about a matter of such enormous concern, and really also setting a precedent, mr. president, that we think through how to ensure that we provide the security that the american people want and at the same time if we're talking about waiving environmental laws, at least we provide the authority to the department to mitigate the damages in doing that, particularly given the fact that the department has not sought the authority in the first place. they didn't seek the authority in the first place. let's at least give them the authority to mi

napolitano. hi, judge. >> good morning. >>alisyn: can people just plead the fifth in front of a congressional panel forever? >> generally, yes, but this is an employee-employer relationship. let's say our boss mr about what you did here and you attempt to plead the fifth. that doesn't work. he can fire you because he and fox news are not regulated or controlled by the fifth amendment. the fifth amendment only controls the government. it controls the government as government but also as employer. >>alisyn: in other words, everything greg roseman and lois lerner have done so far is legal? >> they cannot be fired for refusing to answer questions put to them by their employer, whether it is somebody who runs the i.r.s. or whether it is an investigator from the congress because she's protected as an employee by the fifth amendment. >>alisyn: how do congressional investigators ever get to the bottom? >> they have to get the congress to vote her, lois lerner, or this fellow we just showed, or whoever they believe has the most information that can lead them to others that can tell them what happened, vote that person immunity. once you are voted immunity, you don't have the right to claim the fifth am

napolitano all but acknowledged the effectiveness rate is meaningless because by definition homeland security has no idea how many borders go completely up detected. so, it's not subject to real enforcement. mr. president, i appreciate my colleague, senator corker, and those who set forth their goals to produce legislation that would be good for america, and i appreciate the vision that has been stated, but having been involved in this matter for quite a number of years -- not because i desire to, but because i felt an obligation to do so, having been a federal prosecutor for almost 15 years, but i want to see the system actually work, and i'm aware that this bill is an authorization bill. it may authorize border patrol options, may even authorize fencing, but until congress appropriates the money, the way it's set up. it will never happen and i'm confident all the promises made in the legislation on the line and in the additions that have been made to it, will not be accomplished in their entirety and we will, under this legislation, be sure to have a vast increase in illegal entry under the entry-exit visa system as the congressional budget office has stated, and that we'll still have ille

napolitano all but acknowledged the effectiveness rate is meaningless because by definition homeland security has no idea how many borders go completely undetected. so it's not subject to real enforcement. mr. president, i appreciate my colleague, senator corker, and senator hoeven and those who set forth their goal to produce legislation that would be good for america. and i appreciate the vision that has been stated. but having been involved in this now for quite a number of years -- not because i desire to but because i felt an obligation to do so, having been a federal prosecutor for almost 15 years years -- that i want to see the system actually work. and i'm aware that this bill is an authorization bill. it may authorize border patrol officers it may even authorize fencing but until congress appropriates the money over a period of a decade, the way it's set up, it will never happen. and i'm confident that all the promises made in the legislation underlying and in the additions that have been made to it will not be accomplished in their entirety. and we will, under this legislation, be sure to have a vast increase in illegal entry under the entry-exit visa system system as the congres